GarboManiac

Well, you were a bit premature, but he IS one now!

Oh, I am definitely a night owl when I don't have to get up early! And, sometimes even that doesn't stop me! Yes, I was happy to see you up, too! Looks like your thread is doing really well! Congrats!

Ok, you guys! You know who is back in the you know what thread! I want you all to promise me you won't go there! Well, too late! TOOMANYNOTES has already crossed over! Oh! And one more beautiful pic of Hedy being sold on ebay!

You are so right, David! Thank you to TCM et al!

Well, thanks guys! And, you all make excellent points as well. inglis, I loved your example of George in It's A Wonderful Life. Struggling and seemly getting nowhere. Getting passed by and having to pass by on so many opportunities. That was life! That is life. So few of us ever amount to much, except to our friends and families. And, those were the values of the old films. Most all of us grew up in families that taught "wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it, and right is right, even if no one is doing it." lzcutter, the values you talked about, especially "your word is your bond" are dying out. I talk to so many young people who won't sign a paper, and if they didn't, then they say there is no contract. I ask them if they "said" they would do something and many times they say yes. I try to explain that it is the same as signing, but they don't think so. And, then there are some who sign and still feel nothing about not living up to their bargain. jdb1, you were talking about the tastelessness of today. Well, one reason is because there are no "father figures" to keep everyone in line. I know most of them were hardly "angels," but they kept everyone in line. In the old studio system, everyone belonged to a family that meant protection. You had obligations for certain behavior, and if you didn't come across you got punished. There were consequences. Your salary might have even been cut, but then you were brought back out and given another picture. Your star still shone because there was organization, and a hierarchy. Today, it's just helter skelter. And, you are right about the throw away mentality. Most of the STARS get thrown away. Here today, gone tomorrow. No job security makes you stoop to behaviors generally unacceptable in order to keep youself in the limelight. It really is a shame.

LOL! I am with you dpd! I, for the life of me, can't picture Gene's first shot in Leave Her to Heaven, or Tyrone's in Son of Fury, and he's my all time favoirte!!

RIGHT ON, TOOMANYNOTES! AND, it will irritate a certain party!

Thanks, Larry. Glad you took the time to post that. I had no idea! R.I.P. Aaron.

Ha! Bruce the Shark! Now, that's a good one! Talk about intense! Oh, and I love what all you guys wrote over in the "other" thread. The poem was especially beatiful!

Oh, I have got to see that! When is it on again? I will have to check the guide. Go over to Seen Any Good Movies Lately? and talk about it when your done! Well, I love the old movies because 1) they were a wealth of knowledge. I learned slang, culture, sophistication, fashion, geography, morals, standards, ethics, sincerity, hate, humility, suffering, etc. all from the old movies. I grew up on these films, and they shaped my character, something films today don't necessarily do. 2) I love them for the relationships between people. They were honest, and straightforward. People said what they felt and discussed their emotions. Right always won out over wrong, and you always ended up winning if you repented and apologized, even if you lost. Love meant strength and suffering, but it was worth every bump in the road. And 3) I learned my definition of beauty from the old films. I always tell people I live for beauty, for that, to me, encompasses truth, character, bravery, sacrifice, and passion, as well as, fantastic bone structure! I AM the old movies. All of my dreams, work ethics, relationships and aspirations are all tied up in old movies. Everyone there in that "dream world" is an old friend. I know them well, and I know their character. I feel so sad for those who don't have the old films as a major artery in their being. They are a powerful force, a road map to right and wrong containing all the elements needed for life.

Ha!! No problem, patful! It was the LEAST I could do for you and filmlover!

dpd & Larry, Ditto!

I just remembered Jean Harlow in Red Dust. While she is cleaning Polly the parrot's cage, she says, "Wadda YOU been eatin', CEMENT?"

What a fascinating list! With qualifiers! Loved Norma was first! (didn't even see Kate)

Oh, and don't forget Lauren Bacall and her cat commercial! What was the name of that food? I guess it wasn't very successful, but I did recognize Ms. Bacall right away!

Thanks, daddysprimadonna! But, the best response, to someone like that, is no response!

Great choice, Larry! There are so many, that's why it's fun. Other people bring up things you forgot all about. Loved that opening in The Letter. And, daddysprimadonna! Who could forget that opening shot of Rita?

Well, yes, Eward G. definitely had IT. But, you're right, I don't think he was sexy. And, as far as I know he was only married once, then divorced and single for almost twenty years before he died. Gee, I wonder if he were all alone during those last years. I guess IT doesn't save you from loneliness. Norma was such a flirt! That is why I liked her. Dietrich, too! But, Marlene was maybe a little more subte (don't know if that is the exact word); Norma was right in your face! Loved her! Oops! Gotta run, back later.

Well, I hope I have put it to rest! patful didn't want to be attached as the eternal last comment, so I went in and read the eulogy. It should be dead now.

GWTW.

Ok! I am here to save patful! I will go down with the ship! Now, let it sink! (and, btw patful, that was very funny about Truman, et al)

Yes! Beautifully told! But, as usual no one has brought up the most beautiful star of them all! Must I always be the one to include her? The first time we all saw her in Algiers we almost fainted! Then, in Lady of the Tropics when she arrives at the restaurant with Joseph Schildkraut, holy schmoly! In COME LIVE WITH ME, she appears in the doorway, with an immense close-up with a filtered lens! Just gorgeous! She was the most fabulous Ziegfeld girl! And, that song, "You Stepped Out of a Dream!" always reminds me of that fabulous costume crowned with that beautiful face and hair surrounded by STARS descending the staircase!! Then, of course, the entrance with the most famous line, "I am Tondelayo!" Wow! They sure knew how to showcase her! (Oh, and Lana looked gorgeous in Ziegfeld Girl, too)

LOL! Don't ya just hate that? The thread is going along great! Then, you make a comment and the whole thing dies, drifting into oblivion with your name forever at the top! Ha!

jdb1, I agree with you. It is a complex question. I was just referring to Elinor Glynn's definition, which was sex appeal. But, you are right to expand it. It really is much broader, because what draws us to another person sexually? It is often personality, which I wouldn't necessarily classify as sex appeal. And, lzcutter, I can't say for everyone, but for Garbo it was intimacy. Everyone around her couldn't tell what she was doing when acting. But, when it came across the camera and onto the screne, the subtlest of movements brought us so close to her, we felt her every breath. Now, that is sex appeal!