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> {quote:title=scsu1975 wrote:}{quote} > Frankly, I never concerned myself with the way Ed Wood liked to dress. Not that this has anything to do with my original post or your "response", but what do you have against NATALIE?

Cross genre films, for example FROM DUSK TO DAWN, it started out as a straight crime drama and morphed into a horror film. Personally, I like em. I always wonder what would have happened if a JOHN WAYNE war film would have included some Gangster elements, like an escaped mobster played by JAMES CAGNEY hiding out in the army and assigned to Waynes' squad.

Movies with one Super Star are fantastic enough, but when TWO such Super Stars are teamed up the film becomes an instant classic. There have been alot of great teamings of Super Stars in films such as John Wayne and Randolph Scott, Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy, Betty Davis and Joan Crawford, Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi, James Cagney and Humphrey Bogart, and Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster to name a few. I always wondered what a film would have looked like with Clark Gable and Humphrey Bogart or John Wayne and Joel MCcrea. What about you? What are some teamings that you would have liked to have seen in classic films or would like to see in modern films?

> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > *Infinte 1, you are infinitely one amusing poster.* > > Araner, > > The employees at TCM and especially those who are part of this month's *Employee Picks* might not agree with you. As they all love films as much as we do, I doubt they like reading on a TCM message board that infinite1 feels they are incapable of talking about films they love. Unlike many who post every day about the films they love, he believes that these employees must be hired actors reading scripts to talk as passionately about film as they do. > > And we wonder why TCM staffers don't interact with us more here at TCM City. > > Who can blame them. > > Edited by: lzcutter Sorry you all find me so cynical/skeptical, but I come by the fault honestly. It comes from a lifetime of believing in what people say and getting burned, like Teachers, Employers, Politicians, Fox News, etc., etc., etc. I really did think there were WMDs in IRAQ. I guess that goes to show you how gullible I can be. But, after being burned so often one tends to cast a doubtful eye on what one is told. At least it isn't a total loss if I'm amusing some of you after all not everyone can be a Kyle in Hollywood, an Izcutter, an fxreyman, or a filmlover. These are four super intelligent individuals that are so confident in their ability to be right all the time that they feel the need to personally attack someone, who they already feel is making a ridiculous statement/comment that is so beneath them. Obviously, if I posed the question about the "employees" true status with TCM mightn't it be because I had some personal knowledge of what other companies do? Too bad this forum isn't run by the four above and their cronies, then they could pick and choose who should have the honor of participating by virtue of how well they follow the party line. Now you can all laugh.

> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote} > "However, did you meet any of these on air "employees"?" > > Yes. Well, without knowing how many out of the 31 you met, it's possible that some are capable of performing well in front of a camera, but unless you can swear for all of them I still stand by my remarks. > > "Do you really believe that "employees" of TCM, that have no experience in front of a camera, can come off looking that good on a first take?" > > Who said each intro was done in one take? Come on, TCM will not edit one of RO's intros when obvious errors are made, do you really think they'll waste money to edit something that an employee says wrong? Why take a chance on an employee when a professional actor can do the job well on the first take?

> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote} > Well, gee, answered to YOUR satisfaction? You mean, like having Mr. O go on the air and make a personal apology to you? How about him simply saying that there is no TCM LIBRARY. Is that simple enough for you? > > By the way, what films do you think are airing too much? I have 11 of the last 13 months of Now Playing magazine handy, and as pointed out in the "Not North by Northwest Again" thread, films like NBN and All About Eve have had a lot less airings than people complain about. Eve: only two showings over a 13-month period (and likely longer); North by Northwest: only aired in three months over that same 13-month period. (Of course, if somebody has info for June 2010 and Jan 2011, they can verify if there was any other airings.) I'll double check your findings. If I'm wrong about North by Northwest I'll offer you my most sincere apologies. > > http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?threadID=158483&tstart=0 > > Of course, you could always resort to the answer that no amount of Now Playing schedules can prove wrong: "Well, no matter what the facts are, it seems to me they air it a lot." Hmmmm, not a bad ide......, no I wouldn't resort to that.

> {quote:title=filmlover wrote:}{quote} > Inifinite1, you remind me of the old joke..."When they made you, they broke the mold. And tried to make it look like an accident." Am I supposed to be insulted? > > I would so love for you to show up at the Festival this year, just so a bunch of us can sit you down and ask you, "What the #$%&'s wrong with you?" Pay for my ticket, my hotel room, and my meals and I'll take you up on it. > > I mean, you don't believe anybody at any time about anything in any way. Yea, I do, but it depends on who anybody is and what anything is. > > With regards to rights, even you must realize they change from medium to medium. If you were at the Festival and you were on a panel about how much you love TCM (HA!), that's one thing. But if they filmed it and later broadcast it without your permission, you could sue. A number of films are likely held up from being broadcast due to rights issues. You could even look at a number of TV series that have included hit songs during a show; now you would think they could then be included on a DVD release, wouldn't you? Not so. A number of TV series on DVDs are minus those songs because to pay for the rights would be prohibitive for the little a company might make on DVDs. Yes, I know all about rights, but it stinks for TCM to hype it on TV when they know damn well it can't be shown because of "rights" issues. And why show a film at the festival at all if it can't later be shown on the channel. > > And now to your latest belief from your conspiracy-obsessed mind, you actually believe TCM hired actors for the programmer spots this month??? Tell me, do you get drunk to come up with these "What can I say next to make everyone mad?" posts or do they just come to you naturally? > > As lz said, they are real people. Never doubted they were real people, only that they were real employees. > > > {quote:title=infinite1 wrote:}{quote} > > Real employees don't look or speak that good. > > I have met a number of TCM people and can tell you quite a number of the ladies are super attractive! I remember when I visited the network in Atlanta a few years back, I kept thinking, "I have so many hearts to break and only two or three days to do it in." ; ) And, believe it or not, they all have bright minds and can speak intelligently about movies. I was being facetious. However, did you meet any of these on air "employees"? I don't doubt that TCM employees can speak intelligently about movies, but speaking intelligently and comfortably in a relaxed setting is quite different from speaking intelligently in front of a camera where you have the added pressure of knowing that everything you do and say will be scrutinized on film by the company you work for. As TCM is loathe to edit RO's intros and closing remarks I doubt they edited these "conversations". Do you really believe that "employees" of TCM, that have no experience in front of a camera, can come off looking that good on a first take? If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn (New York) that I'd just love to sell you. > > Oh, by the way, while your way is not really wrong, the usually accepted phrase is "...speak that well," not "...speak that good." So it would have been a better-written sentence if you wrote, "Real employees don't look that good or speak that well."

> As for the Film Library, many of us have covered that subject ad-nauseum in other threads with you. Go back and read what has been written. There is no sense repeating the information when it can be found in other threads that you hijacked. > > Edited by: lzcutter I don't "hijack" threads, I add to what has already been written by others. As to your so called "information" it is continually being contradicted by ROBERT OSBORNE, so I suggest you and your friends sit him down at the next FILM FESTIVAL and set him straight about this film library business because I still intend to question it until its answered to MY satisfaction. Oh, and I'm glad somethings bother YOU ad-nauseum. Now you know how we feel when the same films are played over and over ad-nauseum on the channel. LOL

> {quote:title=cody1949 wrote:}{quote} > About a month ago I posted a thread about 4 Eddie Cantor films from the Goldwyn library that have not played on TCM or elsewhere for years. Tonight to my delight I found one, KID MILLIONS [1934] with Ethel Merman and Ann Sothern among others. It even has a primitive Technicolor production number at the end. You might be able to get it if you have Comcast Xfinity. Go to on-demand.Hit SEARCH.Enter the name Eddie Cantor. The movie cost $2.99 and needless to say it was worth it. Well that's one down and three to go. Cody, All the early Cantor/Goldwyn films were shown on AMC back in it's glory days, I taped them all. In addition, I own laserdiscs of all the cantor films as well as a set of six VHS tapes, released by HBO VIDEO, of WHOOPEE!, PALMY DAYS, THE KID FROM SPAIN, ROMAN SCANDALS, KID MILLIONS, and STRIKE ME PINK. You might be able to find this set or individual titles on EBAY. You might also be able to find decent copies of ALI BABA GOES TO TOWN, THANK YOUR LUCKY STARS, SHOW BUSINESS, and IF YOU KNEW SUSIE on EBAY. The fox movie channel sometimes shows ALI BABA GOES TO TOWN and TCM occasionally shows, FORTY LITTLE MOTHERS, THANK YOUR LUCK STARS, SHOW BUSINESS, and IF YOU KNEW SUSIE. If you would like to see Eddie Cantor in Silent Films, his only two, KID BOOTS and SPECIAL DELIVERY are available on DVD.

> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > *For example, we will NEVER hear an employee saying they want to see The Story of Temple Drake* > > Fred, > > We've been over this. Even if an employee or a guest programmer or Robert O or Alec B asked TCM to run the film, they can't. > > The reason, rights issues. > > Until the broadcast rights issues with *Temple Drake* get cleared up, TCM cannot air the film. > > TCM is working clearing the broadcast rights but it is not a quick process. So, TCM was given the rights to show it at their film festival last year and hype it all over the channel between every damn repeat of their usual programming fare, but they can't show it on the channel because of "rights issues". If Penn and Teller were looking for the a story for their SHOWTIME B.S. show this would be a perfect fit, because it IS B.S.

> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote} > *Not meaning to stir this up again, but did you notice Robert O. again mentioning TCM's "film library"?* > > Yeah, but with at least three other threads already discussing this topic, does this thread really need to be hijacked as well? Is that the best answer you can give? Oft times threads swerve off topic. This thread has veered towards a discussion of racism in the SEARCHERS. Why don't you either admit that TCM HAS A FILM LIBRARY or that ROBERT OSBORNE DOSEN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. It has to be one or the other. As to the idea of having TCM employees pick their favorite films. This has got to be the goofiest idea yet. In the first place, you have to be real naive if you think that all or even some of them are real employees of TCM. Where are the Janiters or the Cafeteria workers? It is a practice of companies to hire professional models/actors to represent employees in annual reports, videos, etc. Real employees don't look or speak that good. Besides, as Fred wrote, they are following scripts themselves based on a tcmprogrammer prepared list of films that TCM was going to show anyway irrespective of whether or not their bogus "employees" would be "picking them". Don't you folks know a gimmick when you see one or do you need it to bite you on your collective a%^^s. "I named my first born after ETHAN from THE SEARCHERS". How corny can you get! It's a good thing his favorite film wasn't QUACKSER FORTUNE HAS A COUSIN IN THE BRONX.

> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote} > *"I'd bet that none of shows more than 20% as many different titles as TCM, in any given month. To say TCM has too many repeats is absolutely ridiculous!"* - VX > > You, I and probably most of the members here know that. But to 'infinite1', the fact that *All ABout Eve* is on twice this month is an egregious affront to the audience and brands us all as complicit because we don't consider it a "problem" or complain about it. > > Oh that _that_ was all one had to worry about in one's life. > > Kyle In Hollywood And yet you chose to respond to my ridiculous post in your usual smug sarcastic fashion. How wonderful it would be if we all had as much time on our hands, as you, to respond to things that we consider ridiculous, instead of ignoring them. I guess you couldn't answer my post intelligently because it was too logical for you to think up another bogus excuse.

> {quote:title=FilmAficionado wrote:}{quote} > Tonight there are 4 (count 'em), FOUR Harlow films on tonight! There are many classic Horlow flicks I'm sure > > *Red-Headed Woman* > *Three Wise Girls* > *Riffraff* > *Suzy* > > And if that were not enough, after that, two more great films: > > Chaplin's classic *City Lights* where Harlow is an extra > Then George Bernard Shaw's *Pygmalion* with Wendy Hiller and Leslie Howard > > Can I stay awake until 5:00 a.m.? > > For those who despise Jean Harlow and are eager to tell me so, instead try doing what I do when I don't care for TCM's evening lineup: watch CNN and find out what's happening in the world today. Or, read a book. People used to read books at home for entertainment and education before TV and radio. I still do it, even though it's an antiquated activity. What do you have against reading? "It's an antiquated activity" of all the arrogant, snobbish, comments. You are hyping 4 old movies starring an overrated, one dimensional actress who made a carreer out of playing good natured sluts, plus two other old creakers that need oil and you call reading "antiquated". I really don't mind the films, but don't label reading as some less sophisticated alternative to turning on the BOOB TUBE. That's just plain stupid.

> {quote:title=FilmAficionado wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=irishboy wrote:}{quote} > > This is the third airing in the last two months. > > > > Too many repeats. > > I know how you feel. It seems like that to me sometimes too. But in defence of TCM they show the same movies on different days, all different times of the day and in the wee hours of the morning. In say, a one month period, they'll show the same movie three times. The first time might be 8:00 p.m. Thursday. The second 2:00 a.m. next Wednesday, the third 3:00 p.m. the following Sunday. That's good. It gives everyone a chance to see it at a time that fits in with their TV-watching schedule. Often I have to miss a movie I really want to see that is on first in prime time, if I'm unable to be home to watch it. But I'll be able to see it a week or two later in the morning or afternoon, and I'm happy! FilmAficionado, your excuse for TCM would have been logical in our pre home video technological days. But, this is 2011. I know I've said this before, but here goes, anyone who *has* to see any movie or program on TCM or any other channel can simply record it. In todays' day and age, there is no excuse for missing anything. I won't bore you all by repeating the list of methods available, but not recording something that someone is "dying" to see is just being plain lazy. And, I don't think TCM is programming with lazy people in mind. They repeat films because they can, it's as simple as that. They obviously don't care, because to my knowledge they have never addressed the issue. They know they are the only show in town and you all know there is nothing you can do about it.

> {quote:title=PrinceSaliano wrote:}{quote} > Excellent, Mark. I encourage fans to actually purchase their favorites. Yes, but I would encourage fans to purchase them all, not just their favorites. VHS tapes on EBAY are relatively CHEAP. Also, you can find USED but near mint DVDs, and Laserdiscs (if any of you still have players). But, if any of you are interested in building a complete Universal Horror Library, you will have to visit some of the GREY MARKET sites, like SINISTER CINEMA, CREEPY CLASSICS, or vintagefilmbuff.com to purchase some of the titles not yet officially released on HOME VIDEO by UNIVERSAL.

> {quote:title=PrinceSaliano wrote:}{quote} > I also didn't include GIFT OF GAB (1934). I think it's a lost film anyway.

Speaking of epics, have THE LONGEST DAY or 1956's THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ever been shown on TCM? If not, why not?

> {quote:title=PrinceSaliano wrote:}{quote} > I'm rooting for Bela as SOTM in October. But his Universal classics must be available...DRACULA, MURDERS IN THE RUE MORGUE, THE BLACK CAT, THE RAVEN, THE INVISIBLE RAY, SON OF FRANKENSTEIN, BLACK FRIDAY, THE WOLF MAN, THE BLACK CAT, GHOST OF FRANKENSTEIN, NIGHT MONSTER, FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE WOLF MAN, ABBOTT & COSTELLO MEET FRANKENSTEIN. His best non-Universals are CHANDU THE MAGICIAN, ISLAND OF LOST SOULS, MARK OF THE VAMPIRE, DARK EYES OF LONDON and RETURN OF THE VAMPIRE. Others are cult favorites like, THE DEVIL BAT, THE APE MAN (need to see a good quality print of this), SCARED TO DEATH, BRIDE OF THE MONSTER, THE BLACK SLEEP. I notice you didn't include the 1936 Universal POSTAL INSPECTOR. While not a horror film, per se, any film with LUGOSI cant' be that bad, probably as tepid as Karloff's Universal NIGHT KEY, but hey IT'S GOT LUGOSI and that rates it miles above NIGHT KEY.

Actually no actors started out as actors. They started out as itsy bitsy babies. Cute response of the day.

> {quote:title=kriegerg69 wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=infinite1 wrote:}{quote} > > What I'd like to know is what was the first film to usher in the modern practice of listing every damn credit at the end of a film and why was that started? > > That Wiki answer someone linked still doesn't provide the answer as to WHY the practice was started, but it's easy to reason out: Over the years, too many creative personnel who worked on movies were simply overlooked, and I'd guess that at some point the various unions insisted that if a director/actor/etc. got credited, then THEY should get credit. > > Not too hard to figure out. But, does it make sense? What difference does it make? Do they have Academy award categories for every thing and every person credited at the end of a film? Best Gaffer in a film, Best Film crew Caterer, ETC. It get's to a point where it's ridiculous.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > I wonder if the long end credits were first thought up by some guy who said, Hey, this exit music running over the still frame at the end of this film looks bad. Why dont we run the credits of everyone who worked on the movie, as the exit music plays, and that will also impress the audience by showing them what a large crew we had? I actually thought it was an excuse to run the complete soundtrack again, drum it into people's heads to get them to run out and buy the LP/Cassette or later the CD.

> {quote:title=tcmsnumberonefan wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=infinite1 wrote:}{quote} > > > {quote:title=tcmsnumberonefan wrote:}{quote} > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire > > > > > > For those perplexed by C.S.A. and BAMBOOZLED > > > > So what is your point? That there are no offensive films, only satires? You can whitewash away drek any way you choose, but you can't whitewash away the stink. These two films stink. > > Whether you like the films or not is your business, but the original poster accused C.S.A. of being a racist film when it is clearly ridiculing racism. Perhaps, but the point I was making in my first post was, it all depends who is making it. If a white writer/producer decided to make such a film, the African American community would have labeled it racist, no matter the intent. You know that's the case, that's why it has never been done prior to the two above films.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=infinite1 wrote:}{quote} > > What I'd like to know is what was the first film to usher in the modern practice of listing every damn credit at the end of a film and why was that started? And WHAT THE HELL IS A GAFFER? > > I think that started with one of the big epics, such as Ben Hur. The full credits ran while exit music played. That was in the days when cartoons, shorts, and newsreels had been removed from movie programs. > > A gaff is the spike a telephone lineman used to wear on his feet to climb wooden poles. So a gaffer is a guy who climbs poles, i.e. an electrician or lighting technician in movies. > > http://www.glenmartin.com/safety/utility/climbaccess.html I guess that's where they got GAFFE from. When the GAFFER falls off the pole. OUCH, what a gaffe.

What I hate is when some fims tack on another scene after the end credits finish rolling and practically everyone has already left the theatre. This was done in one of the LETHAL WEAPON films.

> {quote:title=FredCDobbs wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=infinite1 wrote:}{quote} > > *"Older films make up the *bulk of our library* and are the *strength of our library*, but we bring in new films to keep the schedule fresh."* > > > > *"the extensive library that we have"* > > > See the word libraries, plural, in the last sentence of the press release below. > > I think the term the TCM film library is an illusion. I think now its actually the libraries TCM rents films from, and these libraries now represent the TCM library. But I suspect there is no big film vault owned by TCM anywhere in Atlanta. > Fred, I guess what you're trying to say in a roundabout way is that Robert Osborne is perpetuating the illusion of a vast TCM film library. For what purpose? Again, I direct you to his quotes above. He could just have easily said that TCM rents films from the greatest FILM LIBRARIES in the world, but he didn't. The point I'm trying to make is when such a high profile personality as the spokesman for TCM, ROBERT OSBORNE, claims in interviews whether in print or on the internet, that TCM OWNS an extensive film library, some folks around here shouldn't beat up on others for making the same claim. It is a belief that is nurtured and given credence, for whatever reason, by at least one person, RO, whose word is valued highly by the people who choose to interview him. On the other hand, if the station disagreed with what he was saying, they could always send the TCMPROGRAMMER along to qualify RO's remarks. As it stands, there is still no clear definitive answer to the TCM LIBRARY QUESTION.