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> {quote:title=MyFavoriteFilms wrote:}{quote} > I don't think it's a classic. I think it's a historical document on how not to make a film. > > A film like this would not be made today (politics aside), because it is reckless with demographics. You cannot market something to the widest consumer audience if you offend an entire race. So from a business standpoint, this type of film is a no-no. I think you're wrong. ROOTS and ROOTS THE NEXT GENERATION were both made in the 70s and as I recall there was no major expression of offense made by White people. More recently, THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST did not generate that much resentment by Jews even though parts of it were offensive to Jews. And I didn't hear much resentment from African Americans regarding the films BAMBOOZLED and C.S.A.: CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA, even though both films were offensive. I don't know how the last two films did at the Box Office, but as I recall, PASSION was VERY SUCCESSFUL and ditto for the two ROOTS mini series.

> {quote:title=gagman66 wrote:}{quote} > infinite1. > > The two Stan and Ollie compilations LAUGHING 20's is from 1965, and FUTHUR PERILS was 1967. 4 CLOWNS wasn't released until 1970 or '71. ok, so there were 7 compilations, 8 if you count MGM's BIG PARADE OF COMEDY.

> {quote:title=gagman66 wrote:}{quote} > I thought this compilation was from 1959. My favorite Youngson is probably 1970's FOUR CLOWNS. His final compilation, and maybe the best. > > Besides WHEN COMEDY WAS KING, TCM has aired THE GOLDEN AGE OF COMEDY a few times, but I would like to see DAYS OF THRILLS and LAUGHTER. and THIRTY YEARS OF FUN. I haven't seen the former since the very early 80's, and have never seen the latter at all. > > And yes the boys did destroy the wrong house! Whoops! I think there were two others post FOUR CLOWNS, LAUREL AND HARDY'S LAUGHING TWENTIES and THE FURTHER PERILS OF LAUREL AND HARDY.

Question: In any given month, what is the percentage, on TCM, of movies aired that are on Home Video, ie. DVD, VHS, LASER vs. movies that have yet to join the HOME VIDEO ranks? If I had to hazzard a guess I would say that the former outweighs the later. Not that I have a problem with classics that are on DVD or VHS being shown on TCM, but I would like to see MORE attention to CLASSIC FILMS that are not already available in handsome DVD boxed sets. My DVR is aching to record something I don't own.

How about looking at everything else, but the road, when you are driving that car and not have an accident?

> {quote:title=MyFavoriteFilms wrote:}{quote} > Another question to ask: let's say the original film in a franchise is a classic, like RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, does that necessarily mean that all its sequels are classics, too? Probably not. If we look at the ROCKY series, we can see that several of the follow-ups performed very well at the box office (or else they would not have continued making them), but most of the sequels lack the magic of the original, which was a best picture Oscar winner. It appears that you are very loose with the term "CLASSIC". Of course you are entitled to your OPINION, but an OPINION does not make it a FACT. RAIDERS was a fun action picture, but not a CLASSIC, far from it.

> {quote:title=MyFavoriteFilms wrote:}{quote} > What films do you think are modern classics? (Definition of 'modern' would be post-production code.) I think these films are already classics, for a variety of reasons: You are welcome to your "classics". Please look for them on another channel, preferably amc, which is where they belong. TCM stands for REAL CLASSICS = OLD B+W MOVIES pre-production code. While I will tolerate some movies from the late 60s through the early 80s, they are hardly classics. Movies from the 90s up forget it. DON'T POLLUTE TCM WITH THAT DRIVEL.

> {quote:title=misswonderly wrote:}{quote} > I know I'm repeating myself: > "...I find that all these shorts, featurettes, testimonials, vintage movie trailers, "This Month News", and even the "ads" for tcm are all part of the Turner Classic Movie experience, and I like them very much. > Do others feel the same way? " > > How do you TCM fans feel about the extras mentioned above? I also enjoy the "extras" however, my only gripe is that TCM fails to promote their extras by listing them in their NOW PLAYING GUIDE. Perhaps if TCM would wake up and promote their "extras" as much as their main features there would be more fans. As it is, TCM treats them as "extras" that are somewhat less important then the movies and therefore relegates them to the status of commercials that those without the luxury of a DVR most probably use for snack or bathroom time.

Bela Lugosi used his accent and voice to great effect in the genre he excelled in. His Hungarian accent coupled with his deep resonant voice added much to his characterization of DRACULA as well as the other sinister roles that he is noted for.

I'd like to see one, this month, for Bela Lugosi, done by Martin Landau while aping Lugosi's distinctive voice.

Bela Lugosi, Bela Lugosi, AND OF COURSE Bela Lugosi. Next three: Lionel Atwill, George Zucco, and John Caradine.

Any news from TCM on whether or not there will be a sequel to last years' UNIVERSAL CULT HORRORS COLLECTION? There has been some speculation over on the CLASSIC HORROR FILM BOARD generated by TOM WEAVER, as to the liklihood of just such a set. Tom promissed us that something genre related, and BIG, will be released by October 31st. I just wanted to know, from the horses mouth, so to speak, if this is what Tom is referring to. He claims to have been "sworn to secrecy".

> {quote:title=Dominick wrote:}{quote} > Yes I hope he continues for another year. I hope next years Essentials are these films. > > Angels With Dirty Faces > Make Way For Tomorrow > It Happened One Night > My Man Godfrey > Stella Dallas > Bombshell > Topper > Kings Row > The Lady Eve > I Married a Witch > The Little Foxes > My Sister Eileen(1942 version) > Lifeboat > Adam's Rib > Rear Window > Strangers on a Train > The Apartment > West Side Story > M*A*S*H > Young Frankenstein Most of these films have already been played to death on TCM and show up as "ESSENTIALS" every year or every other year. I would like to see some rarer old films get the ESSENTIAL treatment.

> {quote:title=Jo-AnnC wrote:}{quote} > I just love the fact that Alec Baldwin joined Robert on the Essentials. Think the two together are fabulous. And yet, as of late, I have detected an undercurrent of animosity between the two.

> {quote:title=ChiO wrote:}{quote} > My generalized take on it: > > *Are all FILM NOIR MOVIES either Gangster Flicks or Crime Dramas?* > > No. But because of the general mood and theme of film noir -- outsider being trapped (or thinking he or she is trapped) by forces beyond his or her control -- a crime or plotting of a crime or escaping from a crime is extremely common. > > Film noir is transgeneric. A Western can be a noir. A Musical can be a noir. On and on. It's the mood and theme (assisted by some combination of other stylistic elements such as camera angles, lighting, etc.) that matters. But I'm the flexible sort of film noir fan. > > *does a FILM NOIR have to be a Black and White movie?* > > No. But, again, given the mood and theme, black & white often helps. Many of the finest film noirs during what is generally considered the Classic Period of Film Noir (1940 or so through 1958 or early '60s) were relatively low budget productions. That combined with the mood and theme results in film noir being typically thought of as black and white movies. So, is Film Noir a sub category of films of each main Genre? Also, based on your definition, could the original WOLF MAN be considered a Horror film noir?

This has become, as of late, an annoyning habit of TCM. I can accept that there are issues that sometimes require a change of schedule, but shouldn't they, at least, acknowledge the schedule change and explain why? It adds salt to a wound for TCM to ignore the change and act like it's no big deal. If that's the case, why have a guide at all?

My questions are: Are all FILM NOIR MOVIES either Gangster Flicks or Crime Dramas? and if they are, does that mean that all Gangster Flicks or Crime Dramas are FILM NOIR? Also, does a FILM NOIR have to be a Black and White movie?

Questions: Are prison dramas such as THE LAST MILE, THE BIG HOUSE, or EACH DAWN I DIE considered part of the Gangster Genre or are they considered an offshoot genre? I never see them appear on any list of Gangster related films. And is there a difference between a CRIME DRAMA and a Gangster Flick?

> {quote:title=TikiSoo wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=musicalnovelty wrote:}{quote} > > I know this discussion will never end...but for what it's worth, but may I respectfully say that I don't want to see ANY of those movies using up valuable time on TCM. > > Yeah, but if we KEEP this a discussion, we might enlighten each other to various opinions with good reasoning. > > In the 70's I was busy seeing the Ramones and didn't have time for going to the movies. > Classic film is great because it's all just waiting for you to discover it- silents, films from the 30's, 40's, 50's....why is the 70's or 80's any different? > > Granted, many of us saw THE GODFATHER at the theater and several times later on TV, but it still holds up for first time viewers as a great film. I have no problem with TCM broadcasting ANY of those listed films occasionally, once in a while sprinkled in with older classics. > > To me if a film holds up and is enjoyable, I'd rather see it shown in it's entirety on TCM. > > And some of those listed films have a "classic" appropriate connection: > > > Young Frankenstein-Gene Wilder, Madeline Kahn, Peter Boyle,Teri Garr and Marty Feldman > > > Gable and Lombard-James Brolin and Jill Clayburgh > > > High Anxiety-Mel Brooks, Madeline Kahn, Harvey Korman and Cloris Leachman > > (I've only seen YF in that group) I only recently saw LENNY and NETWORK for the first time and consider them both classic film worthy of broadcast on TCM. And remember, most later films have to be scheduled late night because of the language. > That is really the dividing line between "modern classic" and "vintage classic" film to me, the audacity of the language and graphic violence. > > Let's not categorize "classic" film as films that were released before "you" were born. That's self centered. You are missing the point. The issue is, that there are a wealth of channels that cater to films from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and beyond. amc, for one, plays most of the films on that list ad nauseum. Turner has TBS and TNT which play those kind of movies on a regular basis. As far as I know, there is only *one* channel that caters to classic movie lovers of films from the 60s back. Please, don't request something that is readily available elsewhere. Films like the GODFATHER TRILOGY. JAMES BOND, INDIANA JONES, and BACK TO THE FUTURE are all over the damn place. We come to TCM to find alternative programming, the type of films that the other channels have sworn off of. Please don't spoil it for the rest of us. You see what has become of amc. Once the premiere classic movie channel called AMC, now a parody of it's former self, a joke. Allow us to have and enjoy our little black and white classic movie channel in peace. Thank you.

> {quote:title=PrinceSaliano wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=PrinceSaliano wrote:}{quote} > > What horror films are you hoping to see on TCM this year? > > > > 1. German silents (THE GOLEM; FAUST; HANDS OF ORLAC) > > 2. SEVEN FOOTPRINTS TO SATAN (First National, 1929) > > 3. RETURN OF THE TERROR (First National, 1934) > > 4. THE VAMPIRE'S GHOST (Republic, 1945) > > 5. VALLEY OF THE ZOMBIES (Republic, 1946) > > 6. THE MAD GHOUL (Universal, 1943) > > 7. NIGHT OF TERROR (Columbia, 1933) > > 8. THE APE MAN (Monogram, 1943) a good print! > > 9. THINGS HAPPEN AT NIGHT (British, 1948) > > 10. THE CAT AND THE CANARY (Paramount, 1939) > Well, THE MAD GHOUL and THE CAT AND THE CANARY have surfaced on DVD since last year. But I'd still like to see the others. And how about THE CRIME OF DR. CRESPI; CONDEMNED TO LIVE; THE SIN OF NORA MORAN; THE HIDDEN HAND; THE BAT (1926); SLAUGHTER OF THE VAMPIRES...? Well the OCTOBER 2010 SCHEDULE is out and it is more of the same. Nothing new, I don't think, to get excited about. Although I would have liked a triple feature of SLAUGHTER OF THE VAMPIRES, THE PLAYGIRLS AND THE VAMPIRE, and THE VAMPIRE AND THE BALLERINA.

> Hi Soo (and TikiKid), > > So glad you're enjoying The Bowery Boys on TCM! > You can catch the ones you missed when TCM devotes a whole day to repeating the first ten of them on July 23. > > July 23, 2010 - Friday > > 7:15 AM Live Wires (1946) > In their first film, the Bowery Boys tackle gangsters. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Mike Mazurki. Dir: Phil Karlson. BW-65 mins, TV-G > 8:30 AM In Fast Company (1946) > The Bowery Boys get wrapped up in a taxi war. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Bobby Jordan. Dir: Del Lord. BW-63 mins, TV-G > 9:45 AM Bowery Bombshell (1946) > The Bowery Boys tackle gangsters to clear one of their own from a bogus robbery charge. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Sheldon Leonard. Dir: Phil Karlson. BW-66 mins, TV-G > 11:00 AM Spook Busters (1946) > When they set themselves up as ghost hunters, the Bowery Boys tangle with a mad scientist. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Douglass Dumbrille. Dir: William Beaudine. BW-68 mins, TV-G > 12:15 PM Mr. Hex (1946) > A hypnotist turns one of the Bowery Boys into a championship boxer. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Gale Robbins. Dir: William Beaudine. BW-63 mins, TV-G > 1:30 PM Hard Boiled Mahoney (1947) > The Bowery Boys try to expose a phony fortune-teller. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Betty Compson. Dir: William Beaudine. BW-63 mins, TV-G > 2:45 PM News Hounds (1947) > When they get newspaper jobs, the Bowery Boys take on a sport-fixing mob. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Anthony Caruso, Christine McIntyre. Dir: William Beaudine. BW-68 mins, TV-G > 4:00 PM Bowery Buckaroos (1947) > The Bowery Boys head west and land themselves in hot water. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Iron Eyes Cody. Dir: William Beaudine. BW-65 mins, TV-G > 5:15 PM Angels Alley (1948) > An ex-con cousin of one of the Bowery Boys gets them into trouble with the law. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Frankie Darro. Dir: William Beaudine. BW-68 mins, TV-G > 6:30 PM Jinx Money (1948) > The Bowery Boys find a dead gangster's loot-and the mob out to get it back. Cast: Leo Gorcey, Huntz Hall, Sheldon Leonard. Dir: William Beaudine. BW-68 mins, TV-G I hope this dosen't herald the end of the Bowery Boys on TCM. Whenever they run a marathon the series soon bites the dust. Remember Cartoon Alley, another Saturday morning series that was given the marathon treatment before the kiss off.

GEORGE RAFT LIONEL ATWILL JOHN CARRADINE RAYMOND MASSEY UNA O'CONNOR UNA MERKEL THELMA TODD FAY WRAY GLORIA STUART MAUREEN O'SULLIVAN GEORGE ZUCCO CHARLES BICKFORD MAUREEN O'HARA VICTOR MCLAUGHLIN GEORGE SANDERS WARREN WILLIAMS WARNER BAXTER JOHN BARRYMORE ANN SHERIDAN BARBARA STANWYCK EDWARD ARNOLD PAT O'BRIEN LEE J. COBB YAKIMA CANUT VINCE BARNETT WILLIAM FRAWLEY WILLIAM DEMEREST LAUREL AND HARDY DEANNA DURBIN BELA LUGOSI MICKEY ROONEY

> {quote:title=BuccaneerMoe wrote:}{quote} > Without a doubt I and many I know would love to see Frank Sinatra re-featured. It was exactly two years ago this month he was finally Star of the Month. At the time I had absolutely no idea he had made so many films, musicals drama, thrillers, comedy, westerns, war and just about every imaginable type of film one can come up with. He won a Oscar and other nominations and almost all his movies were top notch because that was what he was. But it goes beyond even his great films. Every Weds. when he was featured his kids (who luckily are still with us) were on the set with Robert Osborne giving very insightful info. the kind we never get on any of the other star of the month actors. Tina, Nancy and especially Frank Sinatra Jr. provided so much additional info about each film that made it so much more enjoyable. Frank Sinatra Jr. was on the set for many of his dad's films and his story telling kept me glued to the set. Unfortunately at that time I had a job that required me to get up early so I missed several of their commentaries and discussions. Now I could stay up for all of them. Our group of 27 at the Clubhouse 25 out of the 27 all voted for the same return of frank for Star of the Month for the reasons I just listed!!! With so many stars never given their due on TCM as SOTM, what we do not need are any repeats, especially Sinatra.

> {quote:title=PrinceSaliano wrote:}{quote} > United Artists was not a studio. I have a complete set of coffee table sized STUDIO books that list each film by year. UNITED ARTISTS is one of those books. Therefore, I have assumed that it was a separate studio.

DOROTHY LAMOUR because...well, I dunno, she kind of fits there. Maybe it has a little something to do with that sarong. And if she wasn't available, Kathryn Grayson, because I bet she would have looked nice in a sarong too.