Cinemascope
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I also generally prefer the movies when stuff like that is implied... too bad it's done less often every day, apparently.
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And that is exactly the point I was making... to say something like "0.0011% of all the people who've watched this movie over the decades thought it was overrated -- the rest liked it quite a bit" doesn't really say much, in the end, does it?
Sorry not trying to be hard-headed, just honestly never thought people would be so eager to discourage others from watching some of the classics...
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I should like to go back and listen to more of his music. I can't really say I know much about it, when it comes to memorable film soundtracks my head is (for better or worse) full of melodies from classic movies...
Still no reason why I shouldn't learn to appreciate modern film composers!
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Still, what sort of a guide can it really be, when it's all really saying "thousands of movie goers over the course of many decades have enjoyed such-and-such movie, but 17 or 18 people who happen to post on TCM boards didn't enjoy it for one reason or another"?
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Well, first of all I'd say once again that when talking about classic movies, a lot of the "reputation" of a movie comes not from reviewers (most reviews originally published at the time of their release have largely been forgotten). In most cases it comes from whether or not a movie has "caught on" with people, either through TV showings or on home video, or both. It's a Wonderful Life is a movie that owes much of its popularity on TV showings far after it's theatrical release, by most accounts.
It is also true that good essays written about classic films -- whether written by "critics" or "historians" of film -- can sometimes give you greater insight into these classics... and for that matter, so can some audio commentaries, at least the better ones.
Now, there's a lot of highly regarded movies that it may not be easy to fully appreciate on first viewing.... many would say Citizen Kane might be a good example... and sometimes people end up somewhat confused because a movie might have a very good reputation, or have received a lot of praise, and when they watch it, they don't necessarily see everything that others have seen in it, sometimes after repeated viewings.
I guess in the end it all comes down to people being willing to try a little of everything and realizing that sometimes, especially with classic movies, one that doesn't seem so great to you today could really grow on you over the course of the years.
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Awwwwww those will be worth the wait!
Can't wait till the WHV online chat later tonite... here's link again if anyone didn't already have it:
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Ahhh -- Richmond is all the way east of the Bay, isn't it?
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When it comes to classic movies, there aren't really any movies that I "couldn't care less about" -- I think they're all vitally important, a single "lost" film is one too many!
Of course that doesn't mean everyone should be expected to like that movie, even if they generally like classic movies. But to point out any specific movie that thousands of movie goers and buffs have enjoyed particularly and say "It ain't all that good!" seems a bit contradictory when in the presence of people who are here presumably because they like classic movies.
There's a lot of first-timers who haven't seen all that many classic movies, and it wouldn't be fair to them to say, "well, that movie really isn't as good as people say" because, who knows? -- it's just possible they might watch it and enjoy it. On the other hand, if they are discouraged from watching certain movies that maybe they would have ended up liking, maybe they'll never really get into classic films.
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Well the most explicit violence would be the beating they give Brando's character near the end... was that strong stuff back in the 50's? Maybe a bit stronger than it is now, but probably not considered too violent, even back then.
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I guess maybe the Academy voters took this into consideration... there's no denying that one more Oscar, a competitive Oscar, would have been nice, but also a bit anti-climactic when he's already been given one that even fewer actors ever get!
And although it might not have been his intention, I now wonder whether he wasn't being slightly manipulative in answering "zilch" when asked how many Oscars he'd won (this in the opening montage right at the start of the ceremony). Yes, he'd won no competitive Oscars, but he had won one that only a handful of actors can ever aspire to!
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Chinese & Mexican are both great -- the Bay Area is a great place to find great restaurants of both!
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I think it's ironic that a tally of this sort would pop up in a board usually associated with people who love classic movies... the vast majority of movies that have been mentioned have built up a reputation over many decades, based no only on critical reception at the time but also on how audiences have reacted to them over the decades... sure, a handful of people may think such-and-such movie isn't as great as hundreds if not thousands of movie buffs over many decades have claimed it to be. Not every classic movie is every film buff's cup of tea, but if a movie manages to have a certain "standing" so to speak as a result of having been there for people to watch for the last 60 or 70 years, who are we to say it really isn't as good as decades' worth of film lovers have deemed it to be?
Sure for every person who honestly doesn't care for Citizen Kane there may be a couple dozen movie buffs who think it's one of the greatest achievements for American filmmaking, and in the end it only means that not everyone likes the same movies, and film buffs and fans of classic movies are no different than those who only watch current releases.... or even TV shows, for that matter!
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otter, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't whether a movie is underrated or overrated usually take into account popular response to it? There are a lot of movies that were quite well-received critically but largely ignored by the public. And since they ignore it, we don't generally think of it as "overrated" because the majority of people are more or less blissfully unaware of its existance....
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Gee, what if all of Marty's films are favorites? They're always great to watch!
Alright, let's see....
Raging Bull
GoodFellas
The Departed
The Last Temptation of Christ
The Aviator
Gangs of New York
The King of Comedy
Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore
Mean Streets
The Age of Innocence
Bringing Out the Dead
New York Stories - "Life Lessons"
Cape Fear
Kundun
A Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan
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It is especially sad because young men and women are still losing their lives today in wars that probably could have been avoided, like they imply in the movie, it's a lot easier for politicians to start wars when they can just sit back home and not be in any risk themselves.
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Crikey! I'd already forgotten about that!
Well, what's he want another one for...?
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> I agree, otterhere-I would much rather have been
> annoyed by Elizabeth Taylor in the role of Bonnie
> Blue (or, as Mr. Burley once pointed out, "Bonnie
> Violet.")
That might have been interesting to watch... too bad Taylor lived in England until age 7. Her parents didn't relocate to the U.S. until 1939.
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jim, what can I say? I too would have been very, very happy to see Peter O'Toole win. On the other hand there's some incredible actors and directors who also never won an Oscar. I think going in to this business as an actor or director, you'd have to realize that it's up to your peers to decide who gets it or who doesn't, and even if you don't agree with that, you have to live with that. Maybe some prefer not to care, because in the end it's kind of a popularity contest within the Academy.
Certainly I can think of no greater honor for Peter than to have starred in several of the greatest and most breathtaking film epics of the 60's, and to have done quite a few other neat performances along the way, although those kinds of historical epics now seem to be a thing of the past.
Who knows? Maybe they'll give him an honorary Oscar sometime. Hopefully it won't be posthumously.
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Wow Hollis, so first you make it sound like you totally didn't watch any of the Oscars, because there were those two movies you really wanted to watch, but now you're telling us that you did in fact watch some of it? Well, I don't understand. Anyone who knows the first thing about Oscar knows or at least has some idea of what to expect from an Oscar telecast... this one wasn't particularly different in a lot of ways, but since I know what to expect going in, I just kind of go with the flow and not take it too seriously.... Honestly it's a lot easier when you have the TV on and watch only the parts you're really interested in, and do stuff online the rest of the time (there's multitasking for you!). Maybe that's why I had such a good time -- I could turn to look at the TV when something happened I wanted to see, and totally ignore it when there was nothing interesting happening. And in the meantime I can talk with friends online and do other stuff. Honestly, why you'd decide to try and make it your business what I do with my time is quite beyond me.
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Anne, I'm very sorry that you feel that way. You have every right in the world to wish that the U.S. was 100% an isolationist country, but for better or worse the whole world is moving in the opposite direction, and the U.S. itself has been a major promoter of this, looking for ways to do away with trade barriers and promoting free trade.
I think we have a lot to learn from other cultures and it would be very ethnocentric to wish that America became isolated from the world. The U.S. has become a great country in great part because it has embraced immigrants from all over the world, and this is reflected in many ways, particularly the amazing variety of regional food that has become commonplace in the U.S, such as Thai, Chinese, Japanese, Italian, Mexican, South American, Cuban, Egyptian, and many others too numerous to mention.
When it comes to Hollywood, obviously the industry recognizes that box-office receipts from around the world now dwarf domestic box-office, and it goes hand-in-hand with making movies that reflect a more globalized world. Perhaps it's no wonder that Clint Eastwood was nominated for a movie that was entirely in Japanese and with a cast that was almost completely Japanese.
Nobody can force you to like the way things are now, but for my generation and future generations, a more globalized world will be a natural thing.
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I thought Gwyneth Paltrow's dress suited her persona. And of course I got a kick of Ellen DeGeneres just for looking like she didn't give a hoot about fashion.... or maybe she was trying to make a fashion statement?
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I'd just add that the 1939 original is better than either the 1957 or the 1994 remake, IMHO.
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Anne, I forgot to mention this -- the diversity that was evident in the awards ceremony was actually one of the things that were praised about it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/26/movies/awardsseason/26osca.html?pagewanted=2&hp
This appeared to be the most ethnically and linguistically diverse batch of film nominees yet, appropriate enough given that Hollywood?s foreign revenues now eclipse the domestic take by a significant margin. The Oscar slate included several films shot largely in languages other than English, most notably Mr. Eastwood?s ?Letters From Iwo Jima,? in Japanese, and Mr. Gibson?s ?Apocalypto,? in Maya dialects.
?Babel,? from the Mexican director Alejandro Gonz?**** I??rritu, spanned three continents and five languages ? Japanese, Berber, Spanish, English and sign ? and two of its actresses, Rinko Kikuchi of Japan and Adriana Barraza of Mexico, received nominations. (Three films by Mexican directors were up for a total of 16 honors.)
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Aye, and it's a shame that there aren't hardly any American movies that could give American actresses of similar ages the same grandiose opportunity that The Queen gave Helen Mirren to show her amazing talent!