MissGoddess
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*Oh... and PS some more.. you are Ginger, but a kinder, gentler.. and much smarter "Ginger", for sure.*
ha, thanks for the compliment, Ro, but I know better.
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So how did you handle Gentlemen Prefer Blondes? Just about the only MM "biggie" left for you is *Some Like it Hot*.
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That was really cute, Jackie...shirtless John Payne! Yay! I confess I was getting woozy with that ledge...and John Payne!
I really like Payne in *Sun Valley Serenade* and *Springtime in the Rockies*. Have y'all seen him in that movie with Maureen O'Hara, *To the Shores of Tripoli*, where he plays a really bratty recruit and she's a nurse? It's pretty good, too, or rather, they are. The movie is so-so.
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Wow, LaMave!! That is sooo wonderful that you liked this movie! I was thinking about you the whole time and had a good feeling you'd enjoy it. That was a sensational write-up. I laughed at your Dennis knocks, ha!! Poor Dennis. He's not Tyrone Power but I guess he's perfect for this situation, a sort of "regular guy" who'd be dating a parole officer.
And I have to stick up for Lizabeth's character, because I was totally knocked for a loop by the gesture she makes at the end...
THE COMPANY SHE KEEPS SPOILING!!
I mean, how often does a woman in a movie get to make a gallant gesture like that? She's Tom Doniphon! She makes the ultimate sacrifice, stepping aside, and that's something you usually see men doing in the movies. This to me made her character something special to me, and I was truly impressed that they did that with the story. I know, I know. It's not like she was renouncing Tyrone Power.
I'm glad you liked it...there's another little "B" noir I saw this weekend that made me think of you and that you might like it: ONE GIRL'S CONFESSION. It stars that bottle blonde from *On Dangerous Ground*...you know, the one with a yen for perfume and brutish men. She's not Bette Davis in the acting department, but the story was fairly unpredictable, at least to me, until the end. I was impressed. The story is all about her, she carries the movie, and you are often guessing if she's going to turn out good, is she bad, will she get what she wants, will she get arrested...it's a true "female" film noir. And there's only a marginal romance. I think you should check it out. It's part of the "Bad Girls of Film Noir" collecitons.
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*I'm sure of all that! You're definitely a "Ginger."*
Alas, in my dreams. I WISH I could be "Ginger". I'm afraid except for being blonde, I'm a Mary Ann. I even bake pies.
My favorite episode is the one with the dueling "Gingers". Remember when the mousy "double" showed up and Ginger taught her to walk and dress and she tried to take over Ginger's place entirely? I loved that one!
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I also got a Mogambo vibe, for obvious reasons.
*Mostly because of Ava/Elsa's motherly way with the animals, their attraction to the lead lion, and the setting/occupation.*
Yes, the cute little scenes with the animals harkens straight back to Ava's wonderful rapport with the baby elephant and baby rhino. That's when you know a girl is ok, when animals like her.
*You didn't care for Elsa?*
*She was okay. She seemed to be a little in the background except for the elephants.*
Really?? Yet you mention the French girl, who is more in the background, I'd say. I just like Elsa's style. But it would have been more fun with Maureen!
Oh, I think I get it..Elsa's skinny and a brunette and the French girl is voluptuous and a blonde! No wonder you noticed her more!
*At least now you know where the stampeding elephants are coming from that me and butterscotch send to you.*
*But I still don't understand it!*
Don't you remember when butterT and I used to post screencaps of the ephalents from this movie every time you made us mad??
*Yes, I'd say this is my favorite Wayne "comedy." The Quiet Man is often called a comedy but I like the romance in that and not the comedy. I like the comedy in Tall in the Saddle.*
I never can consider TQM a "comedy", it's more fantasy and romance to me, as you say. I wonder if you'll like *A Lady Takes a Chance*. I don't think Wayne is really funny in that one...it's all Jean's show, but It's my favorite JW comedy. Just seeing her trying to make him a steak dinner cracks me up.
Ro, have you ever seen *A Lady Takes a Chance*? I think you'd find it cute. I'm sure Chris has seen it. It's a rather loose reworking of *The Cowboy and the Lady*. And I have to say, *The Cowboy and the Lady* is a much better movie altogether, but this version is still very cute.
Edited by: MissGoddess on Jul 26, 2011 1:24 AM
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*I know somebody around here who would like to be Mrs. Howell!*
I keep rigging pits, booby-traps, avalanches, coconut bombs...but "Luvvie" just won't make my Thurston a convenient widower.
Seriously, I used to watch "Gilligan's Island" just for Ginger and her gowns. I LOVED her wardrobe and her Marilynesque style.
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*I'd say I was "lukewarm." It felt like the fluffy version of Only Angels Have Wings. It was definitely Hawksian, though.*
I also got a *Mogambo* vibe, for obvious reasons.
Once again, I enjoyed John Wayne. He's pretty good with "breezy." I thought Michele Girardon was very pretty, but I didn't like the twist of her "loving" Pockets (Red Buttons). I liked seeing the wild life and the actual hunt for the animals. The rest of the story didn't do much for me. I didn't like the ending. It was too goofy.
I didn't believe her love for Pockets though I thought it was sweet. You didn't care for Elsa?
At least now you know where the stampeding elephants are coming from that me and butterscotch send to you.
Am I right that this is the one JW comic performance you liked? This movie plays more like a comedy than anything else to me.
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so how "hot" were you for hatari!?
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Chris, I'm sorry about your friend. I know one of the best things about him or her was that you were their friend.
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I'd love to know my answer too.. ha. If I can figure out for sure what it was he is asking... I need to go back again and read his explanation.. carefully. (I am an old woman and am sometimes slow to catch on.. ha) It may be that I am just too "muddleheaded" to comprehend..
Ha! Why do you think I had to ask him three times what he meant. He's too intellectual by half for me. I still am not 100% sure I'm understanding him but it became clearer when he expanded it to characters. For instance, we've all been talking about Col Thursday here and in lzcutter's thread (which I've just been too lazy to write in, though I'm reading every post and will get there). I like to have people watch and see how they react to him. Or in *In a Lonely Place*. How do people take Dix Steele? I had a friend watch it when we were having that Big Discussion on it a while back, to see if she would agree with me or the others. She was kind of in the middle. She didn't like his temper but she thought he was also dealing with some foolishness that provoked him. In other words, it reveals a lot about how people view situations and characters, as to how they react to a certain movie that you respond to very strongly. AT least I THINK that's what he means.
*On Dangerous Ground* is another for me. I absolutely love Jim (Robert Ryan) but I can see how a lot of people might be too scared of him and may be more concerned with his temper. Or even Ward Bond's character in that movie...I find him pitiable, so many might react differently.
And for Frank, wasn't "Harry Fabian" a real litmus test, ha ha haaa!
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She's good in Caged as well. Sympathetic.
Her? Wow!
I know. When you first hear of Agnes Moorehead being in a woman's prison picture, you assume the worst about her character.
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Howdy, Ro! You're not butting in, I'd love to know your answer to the question Frank posed! How about Hondo?
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It was tough to see her just accept her fate. She's gonna learn to love Prince Albert (Alec Guinness).
Yes, I believe so.
She sounds like you! She was basically playing an "Angelica Bullock" (Alice Brady).
Yes, though more prudish.
I didn't realize it was Agnes until I looked over the cast after the film. She has one scene and she's exceptional with it.
She's good in *Caged* as well. Sympathetic.
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What's wrong with you tonight?!
I don't know, too many things.
I still enjoy her the most with Hitch, but I thought she was wonderful as The Swan . I liked her fencing. So cute.
I like the fencing scene, too. And her two little brothers, they were cute.
The ending makes me cry, too.
Oh, really? It didn't do that for me. I think it's because I was mostly taken by surprise. It felt like a "feel good" ending kind of film.
No, I wanted it to end otherwise, though I really do like Alec's character. I mean the parting scene made me cry. The renouncement.
I'd say! I thought it was funny seeing her play a different kind of mother to Grace than in To Catch a Thief .
She's too funny when she said she'd never forgive the professor. She can't stand the sight of him! Ha!
I thought he was fantastic. I laughed when he ran out with leggings on and he said, "Now you know." That was hilarious!
Oh, yes, ha! And when he played with the soccer ball.
Alex Guinness is superb, as well. I also liked Louis Jordan and Agnes Moorehead.
Me too. As you say, it's a great cast. Aggie made a delightful Aunt who was both intimidating and a realist. How she handled Jessie was so funny. She knew her so well.
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I thought she was darling. She was at her "pouty" best. I thought the cast was dazzling, actually. It even had a Roman Holiday -like ending. I didn't expect that at all.
I have to agree with you. It's just about my favorite Grace performance, the one in which she's the most vulnerable. The ending makes me cry, too. Jessie Royce Landis is a scream, as always. I like Brian Aherne, too, as the voice of reason.
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I guess I'm gonna have to watch Caged tonight. But I'm not gonna talk about it until we talk about all of these other films that I watched!
Okay...what did you think of your lady in The Swan, set in another of your favorite "milieux"?
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Yeah, you're right. The ending to Pride and Prejudice is much more horrifying. They don't make horror films like that, anymore.
Which ones have you seen?
Someone's getting out her long, black gloves!
A couple contemporary ones.
I think the classic ones are going to play differently to you. I also think that of the ones I've seen, they seem to be more like metaphors for the world outside. It's like they are contained microcosms. Sometimes this makes the dramatic situation stand out more. I don't worry about your dislking either of these movies because their viewpoint and messages are to your liking. Also the performers in *Brute Force* are all favorites of yours. If it helps to ease your worries, the women in *Brute Force* are important, not just marginal. One of the best lines is an exchange between Lancaster and Ann Blyth. She has cancer: "I wish I wasn't sick so that I could help you." Lancaster: "There's all kinds of sickness in the world. Maybe we can help each other."
*I'm not fond of the setting. It's on the boring side, for me.*
Neither of these movies will bore you, I can assure you of that.
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Like the ending to *Pride and Prejudice*?
No comparison!
I've yet to see Brute Force. I'm not that big on prison films.
Which ones have you seen? You'd like both of these because they are indictments, socially conscious and simply darn well done and acted. just about every single film noir character actor is in the supporting cast of *Brute Force* so you ought to watch it for that alone. It's fun spotting them all. Both these films focus on the human cost.
I hate the idea of prison films just as I hate the idea of war films, but I can get sucked into them if they're well done and comfortable with my own ideas.
I've only seen Jan in Johnny Belinda, Mystery Street, and The Mating Season. Her name is "Smoochie"?
Yes, she's very sweet in this, actually! That's not typical Jan, to me. I love her pigtails. I think this was one of her first real chances to be in an "A" picture. I think you will be blown away by her in *The Big Carnival*.
Don't forget you saw her also in an "Alfred Hitchcock Presents".
If you and Spunky say it's worth watching, I'll have to do so.
I think we had a disucssion on it, maybe in Rambles, some time ago. I'm not sure if Ro has seen it but I know CinemAva has.
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*That's a good question. I'm not sure. I'd say The Woman in the Window is for the mind and Scarlet Street is visceral.*
That is how I'd classify them, too.
*I would have never guessed you'd like a female prison film.*
The very premise makes my skin crawl!
*Now that's an upset! I can't say a female prison film is my speed. But if the social message is good, I may end up liking it.*
It's certainly not my speed, either, but I wouldn't recommend it if it weren't so good. It's the female *Brute Force*.
*I've only seen Eleanor in The Man with the Golden Arm and Home from the Hill. I liked her in both.*
She's completely different in this and carries the film really well, though there are many stand out performances. I like Jan Sterling the best, next, and then the little old Irish lady.
What's really bizarre is there were moments when I actually thought Eleanor never looked more beautiful! I usually like seeing a woman fixed up, but she was one of the few that really didn't need any make-up to look stunning.
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As you know, I view *The Woman in the Window* as a mental (even moral) exercise. There is an intellectual bent, as you say. *Scarlet Street* is certainly the more sordid of the two films, and this is one of the reasons why some choose the one film over the other. That's part of the "litmus."
But is one deeper than another?
Sex is at the heart of *Scarlet Street* and *The Woman in the Window* and you're rarely gonna choose those kind of films as favorites. *Fury* and *You Only Live Once* feature men being pushed to the brink by Society. That seems to be a theme you like more, especially when it's done "30s" style.
Yes, I do like movies that paint society as the ultimate "enemy" and corruptor, ha. I watched *Caged* the other night, and I hate prison pictures or movies that focus too much on females, but that one always gets me. To see how prisons create criminals, and to see the female type of sadism at work, is really rivetting. You should take a look at it one day. I'm always amazed by Eleanor Parker in this. It's like nothing else she did, I'm sure. There are none of the actressy mannerisms she often employed (that's not a knock, I enjoy them and I like her a lot). To see such a pretty young woman go from where she starts to where she ends is harrowing. you'll love the ending, too.
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*Kind of. More like a fishing expedition.*
i see now.
A litmus test for you would be "Doniphon or Ranse" or "Rhett or Ashley"? You have a definite answer with those that speaks to who you are.
that's certainly true...when you get down to characters, it becomes nitty and gritty. you could even throw Col. Thursday in that bunch, since I don't altogether dislike him.
Definitely. But it's not about me. Scarlet Street is the tougher, harder film with a particular ending. The Woman in the Window is the opposite. You can tell a little about a person by which one they favor.
I think the opposite with the "serious" part. Well, at least in terms of finish and tone. And I would have had you pegged for The Woman in the Window.
I can see that now. Before, I think I responded to the surfaces...WITW has an intellectual bent...it's a mystery, a mind puzzle in how it's presented. SS seems more like a sordid tale at first.
You like melodrama! I think Clash by Night is the most soapy of Lang's flicks and it's easily one of his most "female." It makes sense it would be your favorite.
I also like *The Blue Gardenia* and that one to me is really "glossy" for Lang. But I also rank *Fury* and *You Only Live Once* above WITW and SS, so what does THAT say?
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*I don't have to want to run off with someone to understand exactly how she feels.*
i can definitely perceive a lot of you in the movie. a lot of women, really. where i see myself is in my youth and that longing to escape from an "ugly" place to a "beautiful", storybook world.
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Oh I like Secret Beyond the Door best of the three, too. I love the setting, too, which is more to my liking than the urban settings.
And I'd love to know more about what YOU like about *Madame Bovary*, Emma.
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*Movieman was right, it's sleazy! Just kidding. I still get a kick out of his calling it "sleazy." That's great!*
I didn't hate Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, but I can't say there was anything that was "me" in the film, in terms of entertainment. I thought Marilyn was adorable and I once again fell for Jane, but the overall story just doesn't do much for me
It's definitely not a film for men. Hawks inverts everything. The men may be gawking but they are the "objects" of pursuit. I think Marilyn is hilarious, and she and Jane make a great team. Jane's great at the wise cracks.
Did you spot Harry Carey, Jr.?