MissGoddess
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Howdy, lanetemple,
Thanks for your list!
I completely agree about "Gunsmoke". I'm watching enough that I can recognize the cast AND crew names, ha. Kathleen Hite is a name I'm seeing frequently on screenplay credits. Sure there are repeats of idea, but considerably fewer of them than in some much shorter run series I've seen. That John Meston must have had an inexhaustible storehouse of stories in his head!
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> # 2--Wagon Train.....the great Ward Bond with purty good scripts even though Robert Horton was as stiff as a board. The great John Ford, with his Stock Company, directed an episode of the series called ...The Colter Graven Story.
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Its debut on Encore gave me a chance to finally watch this series and I have really enjoyed it. Good stories and some GREAT guest stars, including Bette Davis..several times.
> # 3--Rawhide....again Charles Marquis Warren. The first 7 years were really good when Eric Fleming was the trail boss. Many of the episodes were excellent including ....THE INCIDENT OF THE SHAMBING MAN where Victor McLaglen portrayed a former prize-fighter and the episode was directed by Vic's son, Andy McLaglen
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Wow, that episode with Vic sounds exactly like one he did for "Have Gun Will Travel", also directed by Andrew. Can't wait to see it!
> #4--Have Gun-Will Travel....Richard Boone was wonderful in it and it was very literate.
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I'll say, I've had to look up plenty of references on that show!
It's also the one series I want most on DVD, but it's sooooo expensive.
> #5 Dick Powell's Zane Grey Theater....Luke Short was the inital brains behind it...and there were many good stories about the olde west.
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I recently received several of these on DVD and I am really looking forward to checking them out soon.
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{font:Times New Roman}*The only one of my favorites I didn’t see any of you folks list was Black Saddle with Peter Breck and Russell Johnson. This was 1960-61.*
Hi *wouldbestar*,
That's another I've never heard of. Peter Breck sure made the rounds. I keep spotting him in series after series.{font}
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thanks for posting some pictures, Stagecoach!
Adventures of Wild Bill Hickok
Adventures of Kit Carson
Lone Ranger
Steve Donovan Western Marshal
Annie Oakley
Tales of Wells Fargo
26 Men
Stories of the Century
Cisco Kid
Of those I only have seen "Tales of Wells Fargo" and "The Lone Ranger". Maybe one episode of "Annie Oakley". Wow, it's amazing how many there were. I used to love the Lone Ranger character as a child.
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> {quote:title=fredbaetz wrote:}{quote}A Few of my all time favorites:
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> "Trackdown"
> "The Westerner"
> "Stoney Burke"
Howdy, Fred!
Those three I have yet to see. What makes you like them? At another message board it was a running joke that Stoney Burke was the long lost brother of Olivia de Havilland and Joan Fontaine.
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Howdy, MM!
> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote}I'm still working my way through it but *"Have Gun, Will Travel"* probably is my favorite.
that does surprise me that it's your favorite.
> I've spent a lot of time on Netflix looking at western shows that I was too young to know when they wree popular.
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Me, too. Encore and Hallmark were also good at giving me a peek at some I'd never seen, as well as YouTube ("The Gunsmoke Channel" is one I regularly check).
> Paladin is everything someone wants and maybe should be. He's smart, funny, tough, cool, fair, just, talented, well dressed and very popular with the ladies. Okay, make that everything I wanted to be.
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Ha! It's a great character, I really enjoy Richard Boone.
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> Gunsmoke
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> Cheyenne
> Bonanza
> Wanted: Dead or Alive
> The Guns of Will Sonnet. ( Iwatched this when it was on. I remember I liked it but not sure how it holds up.)
> How The West Was Won (James Arness)
> Deadwood. (HBO's cuss-fest was well written and tense.)
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Of those I've only seen a couple of episodes of "Wanted: Dead or Alive", not really enough to make up my mind about it or Steve McQueen in it. I've never seen "The Guns of Will Sonnet". Was "How The West Was Won" the made-for-TV movie? I'm not a huge fan of the original so I don't know if I could sit through the remake.
> Still making up my mind on "The Restless Gun." I didn't like Henry Fonda's "The Deputy" at all. I've seen bits and pieces of the others save for "Laredo" but not enough to make a call.
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I haven't seen any of those. I guess they are available at Netflix?
> This should be fun.
I didn't realize there was no "catch all" thread for TV shows, and since they make up the bulk of my "westerns" lately, I thought it would be a nice idea.
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> {quote:title=Terrence1 wrote:}{quote}My all-time favorite would be The Big Valley---a great cast with well- written stories. I have all of the episodes on DVD and the stories hold up quite well. The wonderful Ms. Stanwyck was at her best in this series.
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Hi Terrence...I quite enjoyed TBV when I saw it on The Hallmark Channel a few years ago. I liked Stanwyck of course, and Richard Long made an interesting sibling with Peter Breck. It would be nice to see it again.
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Below are the western shows I've seen in order of preference. Not that many so far, but I know there are plenty yet to discover. Please share your favorites and discuss!
1. *The High Chaparral* (1967-1971)
2. *Have Gun, Will Travel* (1957-1963)
3. *Gunsmoke* (1955-1975)
4. *The Rifleman* (1958-1963)
5. *Bonanza* (1959-1973)
6. *Wagon Train* (1957-1965)
7. *Rawhide* (1959-1966)
8. *The Big Valley* (1965-1969)
9. *Lawman* (1958-1962)
10. *Maverick* (1957-1962)
11. *The Virginian* (1962-1971)
12. *Cheyenne* (1955-1963)
13. *Wanted: Dead or Alive* (1958-1961)
14. *Laredo* (1965-1967)
15. *Tales of Wells Fargo* (1957-1962)
Edited by: MissGoddess on Feb 28, 2012 3:38 PM
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Ro, how wonderful. I really enjoyed looking over those. I agree they are achingly bittersweet. And I too was surprised at how "slick" Deadwood looked!
But I expect towns grew pretty quickly if they were prosperous. It's fascinating looking into these windows of history. I was captivated by the pictures of Native Americans. And there was Red Cloud...and Little Wolf! There is a Little Wolf depicted in *Cheyenne Autumn*, but I guess it's not the same man or his tribe??Old photos just suck me in...I find myself drawn into them in a way that not even paintings can do. I think it's all the detail of daily life that gets me the most. How people stood, what they wore, what the streets, sidewalks and signs looked like. Seeing trees and the seeing where they were cleared. That one picture of a row of officer's houses...I swore it looked like a 1960s tract-house development together with manicured lawns, newly planted saplings and trim sidewalks!
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It could be a nod to Lubie, most every director admired him so. And Lubitsch really captured the romance of European capitals on the Paramount lot and for a lot of Americans, the movies were their first taste of those places.
Going back to the camera, remember the scene in the cafe at the piazza San Marco where she and Renato first see each other? She plonks the camera on the tiny table and though she isn't afraid to pick it up and turn its gaze on the people and places around her, she flinches as soon as she sees his (human) gaze on her. So perfectly illustrates what you say about how she put distance between herself by looking at her surroundings through a lens. Now she'd be texting and sending pictures through her phone instead!
Of course, the director is doing the very same thing but with the idea of bringing us all a little closer.
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So *Dark Journey* was so so for you.
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Which reminds me, did you catch the shot were Lean showed Jane getting all caught up in the gorgeousness of Venice and then a load of garbage gets splashed into the canal in front of her? Ha! That reminded me of the opening sequence in Lubitsch's *Trouble in Paradise*.
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I'm certainly guilty of using movies that way, BIG time.
I always remember how Hepburn said that dip in the canal left her with a lifelong eye infection because the water was so dirty.
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Hey, that's great! I never thought about the significance of objects/pursuits to the characters. That's sensational what you point out about the camera Jane totes around. And what trouble it gave her when she tried that backing-up shot.
I love watching the way Mauro grabs the camera from her hands just in time.In *The Passionate Friends*, I think Trevor Howard had an interest in history or archeology? I may be wrong about that; I've forgotten now.
I've yet to see Madeleine! I remember when I first looked it up I was disappointed that it wasn't about the little French schoolgirl from the stories.
Edited by: MissGoddess on Feb 27, 2012 1:44 PM
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> I can't say it is my all time favorite movie EVER.. but I do enjoy the way this family is put together (even when they fall apart from time to time) Jason Robards plays Steve Martin's dad.. and they all spend the whole movie going round and round (with this issue and that) But there is a lot of humor in it (the way it is presented) Here is the clip from the scene I mentioned..
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Thank you for the link...I'll watch it tonight when I get home! I'm surprised I have missed this movie all these years. I'd probably find it funny.
> it is probably my favorite for the whole film. Right before this moment.. they are getting ready to leave for their daughter's school play and they are having a big fight about all the stuff they are dealing with, etc.. and then Grandma walks in and says her bit.. and then it is funny right after this because Mary Steenburgen tells Steve Martin that she thinks his Grandma is brilliant.. and then he looks out the window and says something like.. "Oh yeah?? If she's so brilliant.. how come she is sitting in the neighbor's car?" HA! (I love that bit)
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Ha! I can see Martin saying that.
> There's no better resource to be found for such a thing as that, dear one. It's a never ending supply.
"Oh no, not her again He must be thinking up in heaven.
By the way, the next time *The Bridge on the River Kwai* airs is May 5th at 5:00 p.m. Perfect.
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> That is such a deep question to ask. I had to think about it over night to answer it. Heehee!
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ha, I hope it didn't make you lose sleep; I was half in jest with the question.
> You know, when I was younger, watching these romantic classics, it had never crossed my mind that the leading players would be sleeping with each other behind the curtain. They never showed anything like that in those films. I never even took a hint that it was insinuated, most likely because I grew up with very devout Catholics for parents and grandparents and they never discussed such matters in front of me. I am a young adult and I only realized a couple years ago that Katharine Hepburn's character in *The Rainmaker* was actually "making love" with Burt Lancaster in the barn. I grew up thinking they were just kissing the whole time, because of my naivity. I still have that naivity with many things regarding the sophistication of film, though I am learning more every day.
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You know enough now to put most film students to shame.
That's one of the beauties of the older films, they worked for the adults who read between the lines and kids weren't bombarded with stuff they can't even begin to handle.
> And NOW to answer your question. I think it depends upon where she was when she found out, if she initially got pregnant. I think that if she was still with Renato and she found out, she wouldn't have been able to hide it from him, because of the lack of insecurity in herself and probably would have ended up staying with him indtead of going back home. Now if she had been home already and found out, I think she would never have told him. Having said that, I would be balling my eyes out, wanting her to flee to him immediately to have a happy ending, but we all know that wouldn't happen. Such a party killer, isn't it?!
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> what do you think about that question, yourself?
It's tough to say. I can't see her staying in Italy and raising a child as an unwed mother. I'm not sure she could do it.
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Well said, Jackie and I am sure there can be no doubt how sensitive Lean was to those who can feel trapped by their worlds. What makes his films a great balance, is he does acknowledge the world of his heroines and heroes aren't really loveless, but often routine or lacking the passion and poetry they crave. The expectation in those worlds is that everyone's going to have to just live without color, vibrancy or beauty, often represented by physical passion. In fact, the straying marriage mates often have rather loving spouses, but they aren't exciting or lack the thrill of the unknown, the new...in short, the romance I speak of. If he portrayed them otherwise, say as Kay Francis in *In Name Only*, I'd be unable to fall under his spell.
He equally empathizes with the desires of a private secretary, poet, housewife or "Emma Bovary". Life has to be more than routine, than duty, than perfunctory affection. On the other hand, separating passion from more lasting emotions often has disastrous consequences. I think he brilliantly shows how you cannot have it all, and a person can sink under that (Ryan's Daughter, Doctor Zhivago) or come to terms with it (Summertime, Brief Encounter. His characters are human, in all their weaknesses and desires to experience more than the mundane.
*The Passionate Friends* is another example, and one where the betrayed spouse is given a little more to do than remain in doubt (or unaware), and Claude Raines is excellent at showing a mix of devastation and wounded pride.
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> I've actually seen a film you haven't?! Wow! And it's Gloria and Maureen!
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It had to happen eventually.
I've only seen a scene or two from it.> Uh-huh. I was very surprised to see the touching moments in this kind of film.
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Such as? i don't remember much. do you mean when their truck broke down or back at the house?
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> I always think sci-fi is better without stars, anyways.
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The monsters are the stars.
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> *Knock on Any Door* with Bogie is my least favorite Ray flick. I also don't like *A Woman's Secret*, which stars Gloria and Maureen, two of my very favorites.
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Oh, yes, I'm not crazy about *KoAD*, either. I have yet to see *A Woman's Secret*.
So I was right that you liked *Thieves Highway*.
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> Minus Cary and Jean!
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I know, I mean the supporting players. It's more of an ensemble piece. Which is pretty unique with sci-fi.
> That's probably the case. "Who wants to watch horror during these times?"
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the headlines and breadlines were horror enough. though you could say the 30s were the heydey of horror, at Universal.
> Doesn't he play some rascals?
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Almost exclusively.
> I'm just surprised Ray doesn't put anything of himself in some of his films and then he places a lot of himself in others.
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Maybe he was an all or nothing kind of guy. What's another by him you did not like? Have you seen Part Girl? I can't remember. It's pretty good.
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> Did you ever see the movie Parenthood?? There is a scene in the film where the Grandma talks about going on a roller coaster ride when she was young.. and how some folks got scared, and worried about what might happen and covered their eyes.. meanwhile there were other folks (she was one of them) who just sat back and enjoyed the ride and took all the ups and downs as they went along (scary though they may be).
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> And she is right.. people.. and life... CAN be like that. But sometimes, I think she left out part of it in her example because I admit... a lot of life is just waiting in line to get on the roller coaster.
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It's even tougher for those of us who don't have what it takes to stand in line at all! I'm over there at the shooting gallery.
I've never seen Parenthood.
> It is scary when you think you may never get a chance to get to the front of the line to ride the rollercoaster (especially the longer you wait) But there are alternatives while you are waiting.. and it may sound trite.. but finding other things that make you happy while you wait to ride can make the time pass by more pleasantly. And even if you find the ride is closed by the time you finally get to the front of the line.. you can still say the waiting was at least more tolerable.... and perhaps less unpleasant (perhaps even enjoyable) if you can find those other things to focus on instead.
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That's the way it should be. It's too bad human nature so rarely does what it should. Not my nature, anyway!
> I am not saying it is easy though... because there are no easy answers sometimes. And I admit.. standing in line stinks, and it IS hard sometimes to find something else to occupy your heart and mind when all you really just want to do is finally get to ride. But it is worth it to try.. I like that Jane took her situation under control (both by coming to Italy.. AND by leaving) She did not just sit back and wait to see what happened.
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She was very determined and I think would always take initiative. She'd be okay.
> And I think you are harder on yourself than you deserve, little darlin'. I have always viewed you as someone who has a good head on her shoulders and can handle a LOT more than she thinks she is able. "Weak" is not a word I would ever use to describe you. And as for beating yourself up.. we all make choices we regret.. believe me I could write a BOOK on that subject.. (not all romance related though.. just life choices in general) But the main thing is to look at things we regret as objectively as we can.. and see what we can learn from them.. and apply that lesson to our hearts and minds.. and step a little further up in line toward the roller coaster.
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Oh, I rarely dwell on regrets consciously, but weak I definitely am. I'm just a super actress and fool everyone into thinking I'm not. I don't think I'm the only one who does this, especially in this world that seems to worship "strength". Any strength I've displayed has been God-given, I can tell you.
> They are like opposite sides of the same coin. I think one could be like the other... if their personalities and character, and even life experiences were different. Miss LH was a sad character indeed But (if I am recalling my "Hitch" correctly.. even she found happiness at the end of the movie.. I hope the same for Jane)
REAR WINDOW SPOILER
Yes, the composer. His music stopped her at the critical moment.
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> That kind of surprises me, because I found them to be rather bland. But I feel that fits this kind of film.
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Really? It reminds me of the guys in *Only Angels Have Wings*.
> It seems like the early-30s loved to feature comedy relief, especially horror films. It's almost like the studios didn't trust such films like they did comedy.
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That could be. Maybe they didn't think the audience who goes to those movies takes them seriously?
> I think the only film where I haven't liked Ty is *The Razor's Edge*, and that was really his character, not him. He's very pleasing.
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Pleasing is a good word for him. It's a light hearted movie. I found Linda Darnell dull. Gorgeous but dull.
> I hope to get to Flynn by the end of the year. I'm now ready for him. I've slowly knocked down all these walls that surrounded me a few years ago. Flynn is one that's still standing.
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You may not like a lot of his films, but I would be surprised if you didn't enjoy at least some of his characters.
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> One thing that caught my attention about the film is what someone at IMDb mentioned. They said Nicholas Ray was pushed into doing this film. It was a pet project for Howard Hughes, who was infatuated with Joan Fontaine. So Ray slyly ended up making the story about Howard and Joan.
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I hadn't heard about the Hughes angle, that is really surprising! I knew it was an "assignment" film, though, you can tell.
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> Woo HOO!! I will go lookin for my VHS copy and get it ready. Brownies AND popcorn.. yee haw. :-)
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You've got time to find it...I have to get my hands on a copy myself! I don't have it in my budget to get the dvd yet, so I'm hoping TCM shows it again soon and I can record. It will be fun!
> I can honestly say there were times in my life when I felt in many ways just as you are saying now. "Alone" is a "concrete" word. It is easy to see and easy to define. "Lonely" is ever so much harder. It is very subjective and very personal in the way a person views it.. and also in the way a person is (or is not) able to face it.
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Yes, very much. My mother, for instance, loves being alone. I'm sure my father is the opposite and I'm more like him in that respect. Jane seemed lonely for love, but I think she admitted at one point she otherwise had no complaint about her life. She said she had "read about someone who came to Italy searching for...something".
> It can be very attractive to give up one prison for another (to borrow from the Grey Guy's analogy)
I like that expression..."one prison for another", that was good.
> But for me, I just know that some of the choices I made when I was alone I came to regret.. bitterly. And they were born out of my frustration for having been alone. So speaking only from my own experience.. if one is going to make a choice (like the one Jane made, for example) it can be very hard to think of the end result a decision like that might lead to later on. But it won't change the fact that there is always an end result (of one kind or another) that you will have to live with. (good or bad.. and whether we like it or not)
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I do agree. I've been there too. Many mistakes have been made in the name of loneliness. Many have comforted themselves with sex, alcohol, flings, gambling, spending...any number of things that are glamorous, exciting and which cancel out loneliness and pain...at least temporarily. And many who walk the straight and narrow die bitterly lonely, that's the scary unfairness of life. I admit I'm too weak to stay always on the straight and narrow but too strict with myself not to beat myself afterward with the consequences. I think Jane will have an easier time of it.
> And that is where you can really get a sense of what the writer (or director.. or both) must have personally believed. Because the end of the film does seem to leave you with that impression. And I guess it is up to each viewer whether they want to lean (ha no pun intended) that way on the theme as it is presented, or not How a person feels about what Jane did earlier in the story will determine how they feel about what will happen to her when she leaves. (Some movies really ARE gray.. I mean grey.. ha. Even when the topic is not.)
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The movie does stack the deck. I'm someone who adores Italy, I admire very much the Italian way of life, the ease, the passion for living and I don't mean just sex, but for food, art, music and just daily living that is part of that world. And putting Jane and her fellow American travelers in that world makes for a fascinating set of contrasts by Lean. Then you have the dreamy good looking man. "Witty, rich and not married" she had hoped. Like Jackie said, nothing was quite complete, nothing happened quite like Jane would have wanted, and that is true enough in life many a time.
It just occurred to me Lean seemed to have a thing about adultery, he made at least three other films about people who don't end up happily ever after, after being involved with someone other than their mate. All of them sort of chase a dream, a vision.
> Your right. What a great contrast she is to Jane.. sadly having given up on all the "principles" Jane appeared to still maintain. (issues of adultery not withstanding) Both looking perhaps for the same thing.. but in a completely different way.
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Miss Lonelyhearts seemed to be more isolated and truly unhappy. She took sleeping pills, drank alone, and lived alone in a big city where she didn't seem to have family nearby. All that makes her desperation keener than Jane's. They just seem close in age and beset by the same fears of ending up alone.
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> You pop the popcorn and I will make some brownies!!
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It's a deal.
> Well, little "corny" girl.. I am right there with you... at least for the most part. And w/ regard to one of the consequences.. I think you are exactly right. Even if she DOES want to find love at home now, she will still be comparing every man she meets to "Mr. Italy". So again.. not to beat a dead horse.. ha. .I just don't think her choice to have her "fling" in Italy will lead her to a lasting happiness at home.
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I guess in the end, it depends on the person's concept of happiness. If they believe this life is the only shot you get at happiness, then you have what you have in this movie. And with that I can empathize, I've been there, am there in many ways. And I believe there is nothing worse than a life lived alone with the prospect of maybe being alone till you die. I understand the mistakes women will make in the name of loneliness, I actually find myself envying their risk taking, even though I seldom see the payoff that I would require. At least they experience something, like Jane, and it's a tough argument to shoot down. It takes faith, and I don't believe Jane is portrayed as a person of faith, but rather of principal based on her own personal judgement.
> But you are right.. it is GOOD that she saw the wisdom in leaving.. and left. It gives me hope that she COULD maybe put it all behind her and move on (older and wiser.. etc)
Going outside what the movie presents, it had to end then, or she'd be his mistress. Those are the only two alternatives in any relationship you either get together or you go your separate ways. I agree with what Frank and Jackie say about how the movie wants Jane to carry the experience with her into her old life, with the possibility of its enriching her emotionally. There was a very real prospect of a dry, bitter emptiness stretching before her, due to unrealized hopes and expectations. This might have smoothed the path. But human beings don't live too well in the past, so I'm still not sure I believe her feelings won't wither and disappear like that lovely gardenia. That too, is possible but very sad to contemplate.
You know what suddenly popped in my head? Miss Lonelyhearts from *Rear Window*. Her experience represents the other, more frequently flipped side of the coin when she sought adventure. My point being the world as it stands is not fair or generous. I have yet to come to terms with that!
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> You know, that's a really good point about the mistresses. That part always escapes my attention for the reason that i just really want Jane to find her happiness. She somehow makes you feel the longing that she has for passion and adventure in her life.
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I've yet to see adventure and passion come to every human that craves it. Many go to their graves dreaming of it and never experiencing it. Many more experience something like it just once, as Jane did. How it benefitted them or not, could depend on the kind of person they were.
I wonder if Jane got pregnant how would Summertime end? Why does that suddenly take all the romance out of it?
> However, the fact that he went against her wishes to not go after her at the train station really showed he loved her.
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Naturally, he was a man who followed his nature so he would do that. Like Jackie wrote, he understood the eloquence of gesture in life.
Keep them coming.
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> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote}"How The West Was Won" wasn't so much a remake as it was a jumping off point for a series. Arness played a character not unlike Stewart's of Fonda's from the movie but about his and a family's adventures in the west. (I think they were related and the family was on its way west.) I think it also had a title of "The Macahans" but that might have been in reruns.
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I never knew any of this. I guess it was made after "Gunsmoke"?
> "The Restless Gun" and "The Deputy" are from Netfilx. "Gun" is produced by David Dortort (Bonanza) and by John Payne. The main reason I got "The Deputy" was on Henry Fonda's name with it but he did little more than make a token appearance in the episodes. He was usually on his way out of town to get a prisoner and then you wouldn't see him again.
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That John Payne show sounds interesting. He often showed good sense in his movie projects.
> Since "Have Gun" surprised you what were you thinking was my favorite?
I really don't know!
I totally forgot to mention "Bat Masterson" with Gene Barry. It was pretty good, though Gene sometimes comes off a bit the same in every character he plays.