MissGoddess
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THE TATTERED SPOILERS
I never would have thought to compare *The Tattered Dress* with *Anatomy of a Murder*, interesting. I can see those similiarities, especially the girls with the secret evidence.
Jack Carson was what kept my interest in the movie, I thought he was very good as the corrupt Sheriff. Boy, was he a phony. I got the impression that just as Chandler said in one of his speeches, the courtroom was a stage and these the two principal actors. Carson was MacBethish in the way he manipulated behind the scenes. I wish I knew more about poor Gail Russell's involvement with him. He was awful to her and not that good looking. I thought for a moment Chandler was going to turn around, after she shot Carson, and declare he would be her defense attorney. I guess that would have been much too Hollywood.
But I certainly felt bad for the way she was just basically thrown to the dogs at the end.I'm very glad I finally got to see *The Tattered Dress*, even if it wasn't quite as good as I'd hoped it would be. I had expected something a little less "Ross Hunter", but I was entertained anyway. Thanks again, T, for sharing the link. YouTube is unearthing so many classics that don't appear to be on the horizon yet for TCM or DVD release. And like breadcrumbs, I follow the links to the other movies they list along with the main feature. Love that!
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What a great discussion by everyone, including your friend, T. I agree with what he brought up in Gallagher's essay about the point of view. That changed how I looked at this movie. Before, I was one of those caught up, just like Lisa, in her point of view. I knew down to my DNA all the emotions she was going through, and how they affected her life. But learning that how the story is told and how that fits within the bookends of objective reality (romance is sandwiched between fatal reality) still has me spinning. Ha! That's Ophuls. Always putting us in a whirl, on la ronde.
And to answer Jackie's question I do believe Stefan seems the most tragic waste because he didn't even once experience the depth of satisfaction, however brief, that Lisa got from loving. There is a part of the soul that is fed so much more richly from loving, and giving than can be from only taking. But only so much. At some point in life, you have to get something in return. And at least Lisa also had the joy, however painful, of the child of her love. Stefan was too selfish to even consider that in all his career as a playboy. Not only did he miss out on real love and a wonderful relationship with a kindred spirit, he missed experiencing loving his own child.
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Jackie, did you ever get to see The Sniper?
Here is a nifty little noir I found on YouTube: *Woman on the Run* (1950) directed by Norman Foster. The ending is what I liked the best, it's very Hitchcockian and exciting. The cast features Ann Sheridan, Dennis O'Keefe, Brian Keith and two John Ford regulars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lyBDX3TJ7I&feature=related
It's also here, but the print looks about the same:
http://www.archive.org/details/Woman_on_the_Run
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I also watched this one, *Walk the Dark Street*, another noir this time with a lesser known cast except for Chuck Connors, playing a real psycho. The story is a take-off of *The Most Dangerous Game*.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=N46ByCvIYrs
P.S. Though I found these movies randomly, they share in common one unusual detail about one of their characters.
Edited by: MissGoddess on Nov 20, 2011 10:17 PM
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*Secret Beyond the Door* has gotten a DVD release in England by Exposure Films. It's claim is that the disc is "region free" or "region 0", so it may or may not play on U.S. DVD players. Here is an article on the film itself with a review of the disc:
http://homecinema.thedigitalfix.com/content/id/74552/secret-beyond-the-door.html
I think our discussion of the film was much more interesting.
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Ro,
It's been a VERY long time since I saw The Ten Commandments so I don't even remember what Annie looked like in that. I'm sure she was naughty.
Maybe it was all the fancy Egyptian food she ate while she was pharoah's wife.
Ha! All those leeks and garlic and whatnot.
I still can't get over that wonderful shot in *Chase a Crooked Shadow* of Todd and Ann at that beachside cafe. It was so, so beautiful. Lazy, wonderful days, sitting and sipping rojas, an espresso or cafe con leche. Oh now I'm depressed.
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> THE ROLLER COASTER OF LOVE: When I think of Louis Jourdan I think of a preening peacock that I could while away a sunny copper-colored afternoon with in the South of France sipping Courvoisier. But after seeing this Max Ophuls' film, I must put another image in my head of Jourdan: good actor. What was making me think of *"The Story of Adele H"* turned into something devastatingly unexpected.
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> "By the time you read this letter, I may be dead..."
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> And that is just the beginning...
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This should be good!
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Ha! I was thinking the exact same thing about Annie's waistline. I always thought she was a bit more voluptuous but she sure showed me wrong.
Jackie: Happy Fourth Anniversary to one of the main reasons I stick around on this board. Or does that lay the blame at your door?
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"Christy" sounds so familiar....I think I remember my mother saying how much she liked that show. I've never seen it.
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Wouldbestar, I'm so disappointed I don't get any of those channels you all talk about like Retro, Me TV or any of those "sub-channels" they now have that sometimes run classics. I don't know why New York is so limited as to cable channels. It's unbelievably barren. So, I rent the DVDs, if available.
I saw "F-Troop" on reruns as a kid. I didn't know "Laredo" was a comedy.
Sans-fin, is it the western style saddle that looks off to you? Because actors like Ben Johnson, Gary Cooper and Joel McCrea rode before they could walk and are wonderfully relaxed on their horses. I'd recommend their westerns if the riding style is that much of a distraction. They're a thing of grace and beauty and were often given long shots just to show off their riding ability, especially Johnson.
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I just want to jump in and ask if any watched *Chase a Crooked Shadow* tonight? That is one of the most beautiful villas and settings (Spain) i have ever seen in a movie, and that is saying a lot. I could only wish it had been filmed in color, though the black-and-white suited the tone of the film better. A very stylish thriller. I'll honor Mr. Fairbanks' request to not mention the ending.
Bronxie, I thought of you since I know you like Richard Todd...and the Mediterranean (or was it the Atlantic? They said Norther Spain so I'm not sure). Anyway, they were both great to look at.
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Thanks, Cowboy Chris!
> {quote:title=movieman1957 wrote:}{quote}
> According to a comment on the Starz website it looks like "Cheyenne," "Maverick" and "The Virginian" may be gone. Early "Gunsmoke" episodes may show up. (One complaint about too much "Gunsmoke.") And, of course, those you mentioned.
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I can never get enough "Matt" and "Miss Kitty".
I wonder if the half hour episodes will replace the hour long ones, or be in addition? I'm sorry to see "Cheyenne" and "Maverick" go. I think I've seen just about all "The Virginian" episodes at least twice. I don't like the later seasons nearly as much as the first one.
> I've seen the first two discs of "Rawhide" and thought it was pretty good.
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I've only seen a handful of them. They seemed very well done. And that theme song has to be one of the most famous! "Laredo" is new to me.
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Hi wouldbestar...three Emmys...that's not bad. I thought Barbara was great in "The Thorn Birds". Check out "The Barbara Stanwyck Show" if you ever get a chance. It's pretty good.
On another note, it looks like Encore Westerns will be adding "Laredo" and "Rawhide" to their lineup in January. They may also be introducing the very first season of "Gunsmoke", when it was only a half hour format, judging by the clip they show in a promo.
I look forward to those, though I hope they don't bump "Have Gun, Will Travel" or "Wagon Train".
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> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}*D'oh! I'll never get the cupcakes made now!*
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> What's to do? Just throw 'em in the oven and let 'em bake themselves.
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> I'll throw another shrimp on the barbee for you, and everyone:
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> *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XYyIvEpabY&feature=related*
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> Aaaaah! My job is done as CineTemptress!!!
Oh my goodness!! *The Tattered Dress* on YouTube? How marvelous...I have wanted to see this movie for SO very long. Thank you for this temptation!
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Hello, Festival Maven!
> Ha. I can't explain it myself. Just call me *"Tall T 'n T.* (Topsy Turvy). Not only is the topsy turvyness between you and me, but it is also within myself. I tell ya, I was a wreck when I walked out of that movie theatre when all I wanted to do when I went into the theatre was get this movie under my belt.
That's great, though. Sometimes it can be a bonus to have lower expectations. It's worse to be all excited about seeing a movie only for it to be a big let-down.
I also think there's some wonderful, mysterious alchemy about watching a movies, especially a classic, in a theater with an audience. Maybe it is more immersive, you really lose yourself in the experience and feed off of the energy of the people around you feeling the same thing. Who knows? Maybe if I saw *The Constant Nymph* in a theater, all that music might suddenly have seemed perfection. And I do mean that. These films were never intended for TV viewing.
> Maybe I'll change when I see it again, from stem to stern. I only saw the last half-hour of TCM's recent airing. But I now have a DVD of it and can give my heart another spin around the block and see if I still feel the same.
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I'm sure you'll still like it, and I'm curious as to how you will compare it to *Letter from an Uknown Woman*, which you're probably sick to death of hearing about already, ha!! And that one probably won't measure up to TCN (or even Earrings...) but I hope it will be an interesting experience, especially now you've seen TCN which is so similar.
> ...You may never come to like this film more. And that'll be okay. Your willingness to take other opinions into account, and revisit the film...that's a good thing.
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THat's the addictive pleasure of these discussions, I get so much more out of ALL the movies we watch and talk over, whether they are personal favorites of mine, or of someone else. It's not all about me, me, me. I want to know why others like what they do so much.
> Ophuls' style is starting to interest me after seeing *"The Earrings of Madame de..."* and listening to your boy give that commentary (I've forgotten his name) on HOW to look at Ophuls. Ophuls farely blew my mind with his presentation. I...felt...Madame de's Love, thanx to Max's dizzying presentation.
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"Dizzying" is a great word for it! All that whirling around like a waltz.
> I hear ya. And I agree with you in what you surmise Movies do (or at least did) back then, which was not to really present what was the common everyday experience but to present the Experience of Possibility; the Romance of things. Movies' vision used to be sort of a 'our reach should exceed our grasp' kind of blanket over everything. Your entire paragraph on your position was wonderfully expressed 'G.' I cannot possibly hope to match how you wrote it, other than to say I understand what you mean...and agree with what you say. I did start off my post saying that I totally bought Tessa's & Lewis' affection for each other.
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Thanks, very much.
I don't think I was very clear, but thank you.> The, it could happen, that this 14 year old girl (an old soul) felt love; felt Love as deeply as a Woman would, even at her tender age...felt Love in the way a grown up might define being in Love.
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I liked what you said, "old soul". That's the part I identified with Tessa (and with Lisa, in Letter....).
> Aaaah yes, the "V" word...the hornet's nest I rustled. Or was that a land mine I just stepped on?
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You simply prompted a neat segue onto admittedly oh wow, dare I say it? Virgin territory? > Allow me to backtrack, just a bit, to your exchange with one, Frank Grimes, Frozen Rope Recipient and Grey Man Extraordinaire, to be sure I understood the context you both were speaking in, and you'll understand what I meant by what I said. Forgive me for paraphrasing horribly...but hopefully accurately:
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> *MS. G.: Is Lewis' real love only inspired by Alexis Smith who stirred him physically?*
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> * MR. G.: Could a grown man even be in love with a 14-year old girl?*
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> You two were speaking in context of the movie, and I might've mixed in my thoughts on Real Life Reality. My response was based on the reaal world, not the Romantic world of the Possibility, of the Exception (in this case of Tessa & Lewis) that you guys were talking about. My reply was (based on the real-world) a 14-year old is not psychologically equipped to handle a grown man's love even if he might (but shouldn't) be in love with her. I was not speaking of the world of the Fantastic, The Romantic when I went on to say, as a bit of an aside and an unfortunate swipe, that I was not crazy about cultures who would value Virginity as a way of not having their "performance" judged or compared to. If a person chooses to uphold the "V" word...fine. It is their choice. (I want it to be their choice). I just meant that to create a whole system of values lauding it, smacked a bit to me to me like protecting the male ego. I was not looking to castigate a woman (or man's) choice in that regard. And you aptly pointed out to me that a whole system of values lauding Virginity does not necessarily have to do with *any* of what I said.
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And I do understand that even better now and can completely see why and where you're coming from with that. Because it often is (or was) unfairly one-sided.
> May I really confess, Miss G., that I laughed when you wrote: *"Do it soon! Do it often! Do it online!"* I just thought of the marketing possibilities and I chuckled. Sorry.
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Ha haaa! I'm glad you did laugh because I wasn't sure if my pathetic attempt at humor fell flat or not.
> Now if you think that's tough...who will speak up for that much more severely maligned group:
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> The Celibate Adult???
In the immortal words of whosits: You said it.
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> The world was moving away from that and on to greater self sufficiency, I guess.
> If we get any more progressive or self sufficient, we'll all be living in little holes, by ourselves, with only the warmth of the computer to see and remember.
And we'll have only one finger to tap and a thumb to swipe! Playing with the virtual doggies and virutal kittens.
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I can't believe I left *The Hucksters* and *Call of the Wild* off my list!!! How delightlessly idiotic!
butterscotchgreer has inspired me to watch *Adventure* again, though it was not a hit with me. Except Joan Blondell, I loved her and Gable's scenes with Thomas Mitchell. I love watching men on boats! I always dreamed of marrying a man with a boat. Of course, I'm thinking of a 50ft ketch and I'd end up with a tuna barge.
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Exactly. that's the texture of living that nothing can recapture.
I'm reminded of those "reality" shows that were on not too long ago, where a group of people (or families) had to live in a specific old time period and recreate all the details of life back in that time and place. Well, it not only pointed up the obvious, but I wonder if anyone thinks about how there's just no way you can recreate the place inside people that originated every daily task and custom and word. It doesn't come from the same place as with people in another time, before or after.
Even people looking back and remembering, color their recollections. They can never bring it back, in its full reality.
Dan O'Flaherty (Noel Purcell) stands out from his townfolk not just because of the position he takes and his stubborn old fashionedness, but because he bemoans not just the ways that are gone, but the commonly held feelings that people had which created those ways. It's not enough to have a community, but why you need and value it can make all the difference. He came from a time when everyone really depended on each other for all their laws, customs, favors, conflicts, entertainment...life. The world was moving away from that and on to greater self sufficiency, I guess.
Ha, that made me think of one of the most "un-Fordian" of Ford's films, which has one of the best and most appropriate of all his movie titles: The World Moves On.
Edited by: MissGoddess on Nov 16, 2011 11:06 PM
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I think you hit on it when you said that there was something being lost in the "new" Ireland. The abandonment of ways that were shared verbally, or taught from one person to another, as opposed to studied out of a book.
I liken it to the difference between all the fabulous "chefs" now that went to fancy schools and have shelves full of recipe books vs. the millions of "cooks" who never wrote down a recipe, but merely showed their children and they handed it on to their children, and on, etc. What do you want to bet some of the best meals you can imagine are lost not because they "weren't written down", but because of the love and the old ways that originated them are gone. It was about more than ingredients. Just as poteen making, whispering outlandish stories on a blustery night, honoring the man who just slugged you (
) are things that are more important than can be expressed. They're all about the people who do them and their relations to each other.Your point about all the irony makes the title, "The Majesty of the Law", make more sense to me.
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Lol! Oh, that brings back memories of playing with my cousins. If one of them was Tarzan, he always had to say "Ungawa", ha!
I wish I could think of more, your list captured the best. I'm sure others have some good ones. Maybe rohanaka will mention the unhappy job of being John Wayne's dog.
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> {quote:title=JackFavell wrote:}{quote}MissG - Well, I would never have even heard of the movie without you, nor would I have a copy! Nor would I look as closely without your inspiration to guide me. I really just wanted to see what connected the three movies together.
I hope to watch it again over the long break next week, especially *1921*. I love what you said about the switch in tone, that's fascinating. How many movies do that? Often if there's a switch it is the other way, from light to dark and possibly a light ending tacked on. Between this and what you wrote about *Ride the High Country*, I need to pay attention more, clearly!
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Ha!!!!! That was hilarious, Jackie!! Oh my goodness, I'll have to save this one. I want to try and think of some...oh, I know!
Another job I wouldn't want in the movies:
*A native bearer*...if you're carrying the star's worldly goods, you'll either fall off a sky high cliff or be eaten by a giant ape.
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Jackie that is some kind of writer you are. You should be sitting on a chest of jewels, you're so good at finding riches in movies that I never dreamed of. I'll be watching *The Rising of the Moon* with new eyes, thanks to your words.
I'm going to especially keep in mind what you wrote about art, artists, and time and the way those themes tie the three little stories together. Wonderful!
And your appreciation for the visuals raises my own. I really can't wait to see it again, now.
Thank you.
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Hi, theoldieslover...I enjoyed "The Bob Newhart Show", too. Love Bill Daily.
I finished watching the first disc of season 1 of "The Barbara Stanwyck Show" last night. It's an anthology series along the lines of those done by Robert Montgomery, Ronald Colman, etc. I was suprised to see that Barbara herself starred in all of them (so far). Some have interesting behind the camera talent like Jacques Tourneur and Nick Musuraca. It's a very classy show, Barbara looks fantastic and her energy is quite awesome, considering she was also working in movies. She won an Emmy, I believe, for the show.
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Yes! More! More!
Are they featuring him today on TCM?
My favorite Gables (favorite movies---all but the top four are subject to "mood" changes):
1. GWTW (mais bien sur)
2. The Misfits
3. Mogambo
4. Test Pilot
5. Soldier of Fortune
6. Teacher's Pet
7. Manhattan Melodrama
8. Red Dust
9.**** Tonk
10. The Tall Men
11. It Happened One Night
12. No Man of Her Own
13.Strange Cargo
14. It Started in Naples
15. A King and Four Queens
16. Band of Angels
17. A Free Soul
18. Idiot's Delight
19. Mutiny on the Bounty
20.San Francisco
21. China Seas
22. Hold Your Man
23. Susan Lenox: Her Fall and Rise
24. Cain and Mabel
25. Hell Divers
26. Men in White
27. Run Silent, Run Deep
28. Wife vs. Secretary
29. Too Hot to Handle
30. Homecoming
But I certainly felt bad for the way she was just basically thrown to the dogs at the end.
("HEY!! Where's the rest of me?!!")
A Walk on the Noir Side
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You got it. I thought it odd I should watch two movies in a row like that.
As for watching *Walk the Dark Street*, it wasn't that bad! I've sat through worse.