WhyaDuck

Maybe there are actors out there that could do roles like this...but Hollywood just doesn't do this much. Everybody has to be young and beautiful, not just movies but TV as well, The Soaps, Prime Time, even the people on the news telling you about the fire or the shooting hav to be beautiful. ....and I think thats what draws people into The African Queen because most peoples grandparents weren't beautiful, or their parents ...most married couples aren't beautiful and alot of teenagers aren't that beautiful either...But what Hollywood misses is that looks aren't that important, not really. Theres alot more to relationships than how you look....So I'm not saying the actors haven't been or aren't out there. Just saying that there are few movies like The African Queen and Marty because Hollywood is all about the young and beautiful. They have to keep cranking out the young beautiful couple movies, even though they don't relate to the audience, where as African Queen and Marty really do. ....So if Hollywood slaps a handsome young guy into a movie with a pretty young girl and it fails completely at the box office, and the producer wonders what went wrong, well maybe they've just beat the young and beautiful angle to death. ....Again, I don't see why the news person telling me about the car wreck has to be young and beautiful, but I guess it's all modern show biz. Now TV did have Rosanne and the rating show people could relate to her and Goodman together. ....TV also gave us Archie and Edith that got big ratings and they weren't beautiful either.....and Ralph and Alice weren't the most beautiful couple ever........Now TV has gave us a million beautiful couples and I bet you can count on your fingers how many of these shows were any good. Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

My wife isn't a big old movie fan and neither are alot of people, but one day I caught her watching The African Queen on TV and she was glued to it. The fact that these two aren't pretty got her.....and I said thats what makes this movie so good. I know the couple in Marty weren't beautiiful..It's something Hollywood needs to do more of. Most people don't look like Movie Stars.......I never thought the Hepburn was amazinly beautiful, although in Philadelphia Story they try to make her just that........I like her in this as both her and Bogart try to look plain and less than average. If this was Tom Cruise and some Hollywood Babe going down the river, the movie would stink.......The love that develops between the ugly old maid and the ugly litttle hermit is what makes this movie. ..and the audience can relate and rejoice in their finding each other. THe more than beautiful movies of Hollywood can learn from movies such as African Queen and Marty.

ROSEMARY DE CAMP In RHAPSODY IN BLUE with OSCAR LEVANT

In It's A Mad, Mad World....the audience I was in pretty much groaned when Duarnte kicks the bucket. Alot of people said, " Thats pretty corney ". ...I like Durante but the first real big laugh I heard in the theatre was when Spencer Traceys hat goes out the window....Suddenly there is Jerry Lewis driving along and he sees the hat and the audience laughed hard as he gets that dumn look on his face and trys to run over the hat. It would have been nice to see film clips as they did Chaplin, and considered the long time achievements of the man also. The clips of Chaplin had the audience laughing and crying into a thunder of applause. ...Certainly you could take the scenes of Jerry with the fire hose, Jerry getting chased by lawn mowers, Jerry serenading the girl in the window as Dean sings " I Only Have Eyes For You " is Jerrys old stand up record routine and it's funny. Of course you have to have him yell, " Hey Lady " at some point. Some of those sight gags in the Bell Boy and those other movies he made in the early 60s are just funny, I would add his gangster talking money and numbers in the funniest way, and of course the Nutty Professor. ....but I would also have Jerry as a poor man painting a suit on himself with a paint brush, and I would have the little Japanese boy in tears crying for Jerry as Mr Wolley at the airport, and I would show the tears and dramatic side of the actor even with him in Hardly Working as his brother puts him down for being in clown make-up...but I would then show him with the different kids in his movies and then cut to showing him with the kids on his telethon in real life....and there wouldn't have been a dry eye in the house as he walked out on the stage.....That they didn't do it this way is OK, I can picture it in my head. The main thing is he finally got his Oscar and while he is still alive. So heres to Jerry Lewis and the Labor Day Telethon for MD. As Mr Lewis has said often, Lets find the cure for muscular disease.

I haven't seen the movie...but for the first time the other night I saw Sean Penn in that movie about the grown up with the mind of a 7 year old and his daughter is 8. Thats some pretty good acting.........I think he is very good in Carlitos Way. .....Like a Dustin Hoffman, he can be different people and you forget it is him.

I agree.....usually they just show this as it should be...but this year they got cute and had the stage camera going in and out. That wasn't very good at all and they got too trickey.....From now on, just show it as before. You are right, Oscar has done much better on this in the past. Poor TV coverage with the moving cameras.

Audrie Hepburn got the Humanatarian Oscar for her work with UNISEF SO.....Jerry Lewis and the Labor Day Telethon and this cause he has devoted the last 60 years to or more......I think it's safe to say, he has earned this award. As he said tonight, it was never his goal in this cause to get an award, but considering who it comes from, he greatly appreciates it. Oh, and here is to all of you. Whoever dropped a dime in a MD box at a store or signed a MD Halloween or St Pattys Day cut out for a buck. You get to share in this as do anybody that ever laughed at his movies. ....They have came along way with MD since Jerry got into it, but I'm sure he would agree, God willing, Lets find the cure someday. and like Chapin and more....Smile through the pain and sorrow. Smile and maybe tomorrow....You'll see the sun come shining through, if you just SMILE Message was edited by: WhyaDuck Message was edited by: WhyaDuck Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

Among others, Richard Widmark...Van Johnson...Charlton Heston...Roy Schreider......James Whitmore........and Paul Newman....THANKS FOR THE MEMORYS

Just saw JERRY get the award......I can now say I saw Chaplin, Groucho and Jerry get the award, AND all were most deserving.....Don't ask if jokes hold up over 50 or 60 years of time, please don't do THAT. .....Jerry did get the Humanatarian Oscar and how can you argue with THAT.....But JERRY was up there with John Wayne and Gary Cooper in box office. His movies made money for the theatres and for future movies to be made. He is a comedy legend. Some movies never saying a word. doing silent decades after the silent era. He took chances. In his era, he was a rock star......That he is still alive, and that some think his comedy is from the 50's....He is indeed classic and is still alive...and again, JERRY is INDEED ...CLASSIC. Tears from seeing him, tears of happimess...So glad he got this while he is alive...I was doubting if the Acadamy had enough class to do this obviouse award. . Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

Is Jerry getting the award tonight. ?????? I can't make heads or tails out of this thread or post......... Bur it's very simple. France awarded Chaplin, Groucho and Jerry Jerry was bigger box office thaan Groucho Hope won for humatariian efforts as did Audrie Hepburn and others Muscular Distrophy...I probably spelled it wrong...most just sat MS to avoid that Jerry Lewis was big box office more than anybody except for Gable and Cooper and just a few others. Jerry Lewis, are you kidding me.....Give the guy an OSCAR.....Humanatarian alone, MSD, ...He deserves it but DON'T EVEN say he was big in the 50s but not now.....HEY, thats because he is still alive......GIve him his much deserved award......If they don't , This is why I have less respect for Oscar...They do good on Chaplin and Groucho but for the most part, they blow it.

I like movies but I can't think of one I would trade my family, friends and life for to be in all the time. .......I would say, One thats air conditioned...But I'm pretty sure I used this dumb joke earlier in the thread months ago.

Sleeping Beauty back in the late 1950s but not much of it. I was 4 years old probably. I just remember the lights and the way the theatre was decked ot regal and castle like for the movie. The first non animated movie I remember was Absent Minded Professor and I'm not alone. That was a big move into non animated comedy for Disney. The Flubber shoes and car were just great for me at 5 or 6. Still remember my dad taking my mom and brother to see The Music Man and sitting in the balcony. I was around 6. The Victory Theatre in Dayton has those opera seats and such and it was a great place to see this movie and the balcony ended up perfect, even though I'm sure we were up there because of the line around the block to see this movie. To this day, I don''t think TV does this movie it's justice. On the BIG screen, it looks like the actors are on stage and the way they switch stage lighting and such....TV can't duplicate it. My first date and kiss at a movie was The Thief That Came to Dinner. I had a job as a Junior in high school and I got a cab for me and her. I didn't care what the movie was. Funny, I can remember the name of the movie but not the name of the girl. It was a nice night and a LONG time ago. I do remember she wore perfume and I remember the usher shining his light on us. No kissing during the movie aloud, even in the last row. ...Oh well, you've got to be young once.

Here is an easy one. In Fort Apache, what actress plays his daughter ? ....and what other big box office star is she in this movie with ? ( not Henry Fonda ). Who is the actor in this that actually fought Jack Johnson March 10, 1909 for the Heavyweight Championship and it ended after 6 rounds, No Decision. ?...and which actor played Jack Johnson and the voice of Darth Vader ?

I'm going to say Paul Newman ...but alot of talent passed away over the last year.

Besides this important scene in Gone With The Wind, he is the guy on witness stand that Abe Lincoln has fun with his name, Jack Cass...He is the first person George Bailey ses when he comes back to life, The Bedford Falls Policeman........Of course he is the priest in the Quite Man........He is the cop constantly at Sams Spades door........Alot of good parts and he proves there are no small parts. Just a classic actor that helps make alot of classic movies classic. Next time you see Fort Apache, and may it be around St Pattys Day....pay attention to how Henry Fonda continues to insult Bond calling him by the wrong Irish name on purpose. Then when Fonda questions him about his son going to West Point and that being a privledge usually just for Medal Of Honor winners, Ward Bond lets him know he is a Medal Of Honor winner. It's a very good part and a part alot of peolpe might miss. The Fonda character hates the Irish and Fort Apache, thats for sure. Ward Bond plays his character with dignity, even reminding Fonda that he is in his home. It's a great part. like many of his others. Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

Right again...He was the one trying to arrest Ashley when Rhett pretends they are drunk and were at Belles place all night. .....But he has on those big lamb chop whiskers so it's easy not to recognise him. You had the answers to him fast. Salute. ....If you Google him up, it says more 4 star movies than anybody. ....Plus his TV show Wagon Train. Hep, Ward Bond. ....Son, you watch out for that knife. ( The Searchers )

What is he in Gone With The Wind ?

I was in : It Happened One Night Topper You Can't Take It With You Son Of Frankenstein Young Mr Lincoln Drums Along The Mohawk Gone With The Wind The Grapes Of Wrath Sergeant York The Maltese Falcoln My Darling Clementine It's A Wonderful Life Fort Apache The Quite Man Hondo Mister Roberts The Searchers Rio Bravo Just to name a few of the 200 plus movies I was in......Who am I ?

HAPPY VALENTINES DAY I will add that I've turned off TCM tonight. They kicked off the evening with Divorce Ameriican Style which was pretty bleak for Valentines Day. The St Valentines Day Massacre would be almost more happy.. The Wizard of Osbourne said that tonight TCM is exploring the psyco whatever of relationships per Valentines Day. Gee Oz, the holiday doesn't have to be raked across the coals. Perhaps less is more. A day for keeping it light. I do see where they end up with The King and I, which is an improvement over exploring divorce and all kinds of psyco sadness involved in relationships.. As for Gladys and I, we pretty much do Valentines Day on the 15th for the most logical economic reasons. At half price I can then get her the giant Valentine Heart of candy and musical animals such as the teddy bear on the TV that sings Teddy Bear and the frog that sings " Only You. These stuffed animals and roses have been on the TV since I took down the Christmas after New Years. I hate to take down the Christmas, so I do just like the drug stores and immediatly put up the Valentines in January. She has a cold so I don't know if we are going any place this weekend or not. If we get out, I willl try to find some old school nice romantic songs on the jukebox such as Unchained Melody or Sleepwalk or Lady or Three Times A Lady. Chicagos " Color My World " is pretty. The song ' IF' by Bread is pretty. Luckily I belong to some clubs that still have these chestnuts on the box, probably because I had them put on. ....but if she is still sick, she at least will get the huge heart of candy and such and maybe a stuffed dog that sings Melon Collie Baby. SO HAPPY VALENTINES DAY AGAIN. Fairy tales can come true, they can happen to you, if you're young at heart For as rich as you are, it's much richer by far to be young at heart .......and if you should survive to 105 think of all you've derived out of being alive and here is the best part you've got a head start if you are among the many youg...at...heart......... Goodnight Mrs Callabash, wherever you are Message was edited by: WhyaDuck Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

Nobody is going after thes movies. Read the posts....Everybody agrees these are great movies. ...but perhaps I also should mention that Chaplin said that had he known how bad the concentration camps were, he certainly would have made it different. ....but also now thinking that Victor probably stands for Victory. A good play on the name and words. Victor cetainly represents Victory as does his wife. Bogey once did as a gun runner. He has tried to avoid the war but he can't, it's too big. In the end, he says it's bigger than both of us. This leads Victor or Victory to welcome Bogey back to the fight, now he is sure they will win. ....So it is a movie early in the war about love and most of all Victory. ...and at least they mention the concentration camps. Both movies show that the world knew of the concentration camps eary on in the war. Maybe not the extent of the hoorors of those camps, but the world knew of them because these movies do mention them alot. ...So on that at least they mention to the world that concentration camps do exist Again, I love these movies. Had never thought about Lazlo and the concentration camp angle until the other night, but in thinking it over it is of little importance because Victor probably is short for Victory and he represents Victory at all costs in the face of Nazis and concentration camps and the name Victor or Victory says it all. Maybe Victor or Victory represents not one man but the whole resistance. In that if it is hard to imagine Lazlo in and out of concentration camps, people of the resistance actually were in concentration camps and they didn't give up the names to the Nazis. The resistence did in fact stay underground in spite of the tortures of these camps. So Lazlos line that he didn't talk while he was in a concentration camp is true, the resistance stayed underground in spite of the Nazis death camps and torture. So Victor represents alot of people in this movie and he instills Victory in the hearts of others. Message was edited by: WhyaDuck Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

I remember, in high school, 1972, and the girls in school saids who wouldn't marry Mike, Al Pacino. I see it now. Most of them wanted husbands and Mike was hopelessly in love with first Dianne Keaton and then the girl in Italy. He was a war hero. He sacrificed everything to save his father. The girls in school thought he was cute and would have married Mike in a second. So I liked Brando and Caan but the girls like Pacino. This movie is so good. The actors good. I think the one weho doesn't get the right credit is Keaton. Think of it. She could do The Godfather or Looking For Mr Goodbar, and yet do Woody Allen comedys such as Sleeper, Love and Death, Annie Hall,,,,Possibly the most versatile actor or actress off the 1970's ...She is really good. Of course Fontaine is Sinatra. Of course Greene is Bugsey. But I do rememeber the girls in school thought Pacino as Mike was a real catch. That I remember.

Again, this was and is a great movie, One of the best ever. But perhaps if you could have The Diary Of Anne Frank on one TV and Patton on the other, You might just root for Patton to push through the snow even harder knowing the situation. A great scene from this movie is Bogey letting the house lose so that the young couple has the money to escape. We all are romantics in this movie, even Bogey and why not Bogey. Wasn't Bogey a romantic even in Petrified Forrest when he could have escaped if not waiting for his love. Love in the face of the worst scenario, except in this movie, Bogey tells her the war is bigger, much bigger. It is a great movie. Again, nobody knew how bad concentration camps were when the movie was made. Lazlo could have escaped and did all these thing, probably not, and Rick was on the Nazis hit list also. But its a great movie, one of the best movies ever. It's nobodys fault that the Nazis were 100 times worse than anybody imagined.

As I say, I love these movies. I just didn't notice some of the lines until tonight, such as when the Nazi is offering to let Lazlo and his wife leave if only he gives up the names of all the spys in Europe including Paris and Berlin. Thats when Lazlo says, " If a year in a concentration camp didn't make me talk, what makes you think I'll talk now ". ....Of course we know now that people weren't sentenced to concentration camps for 6 months or a year. You didn't get out on good behavior. Still, this movie is great and Bogey does let the American audience in the early part of the war know that there is a war on. It's bigger than both of us. You're getting on that plane and we will always have Paris. Heres looking at you kid. ....I bet the New York audience went wild when he told the Nazi not to try marching into New York. Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

Yes, I saw this the other night. I couldn't help but think it was New Yorkers making fun of people from West Virginia or Kentucky or Tennessee. As I watched it, I could see why people from these states take offense at this sort of thing. The New York actors might as well have been wearing black face......but on the other hand I thought it was just a cartoon, but then so was Amos and Andy.......the girls in this movie do look good though....So I remembered how Al Capp use to be a critic of Johnny Carson and how he got in John Lennons face once, and I thought that Al Capp wasn't exactly politicaly correct himself....This lead me to think about how Andy Griffith refused to let his show make fun of North Carolina in this way. ....Still coming back to the idea that it was just a cartoon and the girls look pretty good. ....It's not exactly a documentary on the Appalacians, but then again I can see where people from these areas do take offense to this sort of thing. The actresses looked pretty good no matter what kind of TV you watched it on. Message was edited by: WhyaDuck

As I watch this tonight, It never dawned on me before, perhaps because I get swept up in the great movie like everybody else. This is a movie made early in World War II isn't it. As was The Great Dictator. If Victor Lazlo had been in a Nazi concentration camp, he would still have been in a Nazi concentration camp. Had he escaped, his chances of finding his wife in Nazi occupied Europe would have been slim. He certainly wouldn't have found his wife and then narrowly escaped city after city with his wife until ending up in Casablanca. The Nazis seem to have Casablanca under control and the odds of Victor Lazlo and Rick being on the Nazis most wanted list and walking around in front of the Nazis probably wouldn't have happened. In the Great Dictator the Nazi concentration camp is shown as nothing more than an American type jail. Possibly the makers of Casablanca didn't know much about concentration camps either. Probably nobody did until the war was in it's final days as the Allied troops saw what a Nazi concentration camp really was. It was probably then in 1945 that the world saw the Nazis were even worse than had been imagined. Nobody in their wildest imagination could have known how bad Nazi concentration camps were. Death Camps. Another small detail is that North Africa may have had the resistance but General Patton and General Montgomery and alot of tanks against Rommel played a big part in the war in North Africa. I still love this movie because it does show the resistance and you have alot of great actors. You have Bogey telling the Nazis that there are parts of New York they probably don't want to march into. You have " As Time Goes By ". You have the great final scene that says that with the entire world at war, our two lives don't mean a hill of beans. Thats a thought that was lost in "The Winds Of War ' in which the world seemed to revolve around Ali McGraw. Bogey saying the war was bigger than both of them was a classic line. So I do not attack Casablanca or The Great Dictator. Both are truely Classics in the finest sense. It's just that I noticed right away that Chaplin had the wrong idea of a concentration camp. I never noticed until tonight how far off Casablanca is on concentration camps. How could they have know These movies were made during the war and way before the Allies got to the concentration camps. ...That detail about concentration camps aside, these are great movies. I also like Stalag 17 with William Holden and thats pretty far fetched about Nazi concentration camps, but I still like it. Message was edited by: WhyaDuck