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  1. I think that well-meaning fans could also be part of the decision here. My first thought when reading the news was that his apartment building just might become the scene of fans looking for a glimpse. It's not as if it isn't known, it was revealed a few years ago in a NY Times profile.

     

    I know that I'm the type who would rather hide while recovering, preferring to be seen at my best.

  2. Does anyone know if these threads can be copied & emailed? Would love to send this one down to her.

     

    Just go to the upper left of the screen and click on "file." A drop down menu will appear and "save as " should be among the choices. Save it as an HTML file if you want to retain the look and formatting.

     

    Save the file to a folder and then go to your email and retrieve the file from that folder.

     

  3. Sorry, Clore, but Lancaster is a much more physical actor than Robert Preston, and the part called for a big, athletic type.

     

    You mean someone like Pat Hingle who was originally scheduled to play the part? Unfortunately he fell down an elevator shaft and thus was not available as it took nearly a year to recover from his numerous injuries.

  4. I figured the Ireland character would try to take over the group or something. Instead, he eventually gets cut out of the movie.

     

    There are conflicting stories as to why that happened. Hawks said it was because Ireland was unreliable and always getting high on weed. Of of Hawks' biographers said it was because Hawks had intentions on Joanne Dru and he didn't like it when it became obvious that she much preferred Ireland whom she later married.

  5. It had nothing to do whatsoever with propaganda. The reason there was no mention of Cohan's first marriage was because that was Cohan's mandate. There were certain conditions that Cohan insisted upon and this was one of them. It's in the book "Inside Warner Brothers" by frequent TCM contributor Rudy Behlmer.

  6. I feel that TCM could redeem this series if we didn't lose sight of the craft of film-making and the fact that people are always looking to see a message (good or bad) in every work of art.

     

    Right, people will see what they want to see in many cases. Also, one can always cite statistics that will show that Mr. Shaheen is missing the bigger picture.

     

    Why, would you believe that in the last 25 crime films that I watched on TCM, the bad guys were Caucasian in all of them? Sometimes the bad guy was a woman, as in OUT OF THE PAST, but she was still a white woman.

     

    I saw just about every COLUMBO ever made and only once was the bad guy an Arab. According to that show, all murders are committed by rich white people.

  7. That's funny, I was around 30 and 40 years ago. In my lifetime I've witnessed waves of Hispanic, Asian, Russian and now Middle Eastern immigrants come here and most haven't had it as easy as your sitting in a Mexican pub surrounded by Mexicans.

     

    Again, I'm in a different environment. You're speaking of yourself as the typical American, but just what the hell is a typical American in NYC? Why do we have our individual ethnic neighborhoods if everyone is typically American?

     

    You or I can speak of our individual experiences but neither can speak for the whole of the complexities that an immigrant faces here. My ancestors went through the "No Irish" bigotry when they first came here to NY.

     

    But I won't pretend that NYC represents the whole of the country. It may be easier in other parts of the U.S. but from what I see here, people have a right to complain here because most don't tend to look at others in terms of what they have in common, it's the differences they notice.

  8. But those are the exceptions, not the rule. I live in the most ethnically diverse zip code in the United States. While most immigrants appear to be happy to be here, they do complain of either how hard it is/was to be accepted by those alreaady here.

     

    When I grew up in an Italian/German neighborhood, I had to laugh at how many would complain about things here, meanwhile they owned businesses, homes, cars. Finding a person who doesn't complain every now and then is indeed rare. How much of what is posted here isn't a complaint of one kind or another?

     

    I was engaged to a very nice Italian girl. One day I had to be told the heartbreaking news that her parents were sending her off to Italy to be married, it was an arrangement made without her knowledge but done "for her own good" because "you must stick to your own kind."

     

    Yet these were people who moaned about how they couldn't be accepted. Not that I judge all by that experience, just pointing out that there is a great cross-section outside those in our personal surroundings.

     

    One reason why people here complain is because they can without fear of recrimination.

  9. I've got a book that is about 40 years old titled "The Celluloid Muse" and it has interviews/oral histories of a bunch of directors and Bernhardt is one of them. He made a quick mention of how he was stuck with a backlot Damascus and did whatever he could to make it look somewhat more interesting.

     

    The film is better shot than it is written. Our commentator does have a point that the wrong group is targeted as the bad guys - they didn't ask to be occupied. But then we have to go back and start correcting GUNGA DIN and 100 other movies, so we just have to let that part go.

     

    But the biggest sin the script makes is that we're not given a valid reason for Bogie's change of heart. Just to save Cobb's life? It's not "big" enough. Rick Blaine gave up Ilsa so that Victor could go on fighting the Nazis - guys who were doing a few occupations themselves. It's a wartime film and the "cause" was much bigger and more easy with which to identify. Thirty years after an event that few probably knew of while it was going on wasn't much that a 1950s audience member could relate to.

     

    Cobb was sedate but if he ends up with Toren again, he might have been better off dead.

     

    For a guy who set up his own production company as a response to what he thought were lousy scripts from Warners, between this, KNOCK ON ANY DOOR and TOKYO JOE, Bogie doesn't exactly come off as a good judge of material.

     

    Burnett Guffey apparently pleased Bogie as he worked on a number of Santana productions including THE FAMILY SECRET in which Bogart didn't star. He would even shoot Bogart's last film and go on to BONNIE AND CLYDE.

     

     

  10. I don't understand how guys like Shaheen can move to this country from some other country, such as Lebanon, and then complain about the way we make our movies over here.

     

    That's how you know when someone's really been assimilated into the U.S. They start complaining. But we all complain, we are a nation built upon complaining. sometimes the complaints are valid and sometimes they just don't make any sense.

     

    I'll give you a complaint of mine. It's the insistence of TCM to carry on with the two hosts throughout the night with the "welcome back guest" followed by "good to be back Robert" routine. OK, I can see it at the start of the evening, but mix it up a bit guys. :)

  11. I guess I'll watch SIROCCO now...it's probably a warmed-over CASABLANCA...

     

    You do know that there's a general rule that says that movies that have Bogie wearing a bow tie but no dinner jacket are usually sub-par? TOKYO JOE and KNOCK ON ANY DOOR also fall under the curse.

     

    SIROCCO is worth watching only for the scene in which Marta Toren asks Bogart "How can a man so ugly be so handsome?"

     

    Try to avoid being confused by Bogie and Gerald Mohr being in the same film.

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