clore
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>>I never seen the Kino print but I am keeping my fingers crossed that it is the version TCM will air tomorrow.
I have the Kino DVD and what they showed tonight wasn't it as it had another distributor credited. The good news is that the print from what I saw was likely the equal of what I own. Chances are the distributor just "bootlegged" the Kino version. When something is in public domain, you can do that. This is why so few films that have fallen into PD hell are restored, there is too much downside.
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Gender: Male
Age: 38
Nationality: I'm a drunkard
Are my eyes really brown?
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>>I had no idea Wayne and Scott did a movie together so add The Spoilers to the list.
Then also request PITTSBURGH which reunites Dietrich, Scott and Wayne from THE SPOILERS. I actually prefer the fistfight between the two men in this film to their bout in the previous one.
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How about Robert Osborne introducing his favorite films from the year that he was born?
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I just want to tell you of how much I am enjoying this thread. Especially the news stories of casting decisions that never happened, productions that never came to be, or trying to figure it out when the announced title was changed before release.
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What I like about BATHING BEAUTY is that I get the chance to avoid both Esther Williams and Red Skelton at the same time. Even the temptation of Basil Rathbone can't get me to watch this one again.
MILLION DOLLAR MERMAID was a goodie, but that's because she had a real character to portray. I'll give Esther credit for finishing the film after breaking her neck in a fifty-foot dive. That's pretty much a risk that should have been left to s stunt person.
I will watch THE UNGUARDED MOMENT, I haven't seen that one in over 40 years. What I remember most is John Saxon made up to look like Brando and a very oily Edward Andrews as his father.
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I can tell you what I would like to see there - COLORADO TERRITORY. That is a western remake of HIGH SIERRA which is airing at 4pm which is followed by I DIED A THOUSAND TIMES which is a 1950s remake of the same story.
What I really want to see is this rare Presley film on the 24th:
6:15 PM
Last Year at Marienbad (1965)
A singing cowboy signs on with an all-woman dude ranch.
Cast: Elvis Presley, Julie Adams, Jocelyn Lane. Dir: Norman Taurog.
C-91 mins, TV-PG,
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>>I knew it was not going to take long for someone to respond to me.
It appears that you are saying that sarcastically. Did you expect to have the last word? This is a discussion board, as long as we're being civil, anyone should expect a response.
>>As far as people like you and the others here who place way too much emphasis on this subject is concerned, I still do not understand why this means so much to you.
Forgive me if I prefer accuracy. Thirty years of writing and delivering presentations for the broadcast industry has probably caused this. I also think that if something is worth doing, it's worth doing right.
>>As far as paying Mr. Osborne for the right to introduce films, I think anyone else could make some of the mistakes he makes every now and then.
As long as they are being served by the same staff, I agree with that.
>>Mr. Osborne is the face of TCM. For now and for sometime to come. I'd say lets cut the man a little slack. Of course I can just see what your response to that might be.
Don't be so sure of that. Please, spare yourself the need or desire to do any of my thinking for me. My response is to ask whether that means we are free to pick on Ben since he has neither the tenure, the expertise or the previously mentioned age factor to be held in regard?
>>I would be very interested in finding out what % of the taped segments he performs each month include mistakes. Do you know? I don't think that there are too many. Now and then some get through the cracks in the wall. But I see that as being the fault of his fact checkers and not him.
Look through my previous posts and you will see that I blame no one other than his staff. If I mention anything here in this forum, it is in the hope that he or someone will see it and use it to "whip" the staff into shape.
>.As far as his staff making him appear to be less than an expert..... I think it is the likes of you and everyone else here when you try and make it sound like no mistakes should be tolerated and therefore Mr. Osborne then appears to be less than an expert. Mr. Osborne is an expert. But guess what, experts make mistakes all the time. I have seen that on several occasions.
Perfection may be a pipe dream, but it's a nice goal. Complacency is a dangerous condition. As my sixth grade teacher used to have on the blackboard:
"Good, better, best
Never let it rest
Until your good is better
And your better best"
>>There are posters here who seem to think that any mistake made should not be tolerated. All I am saying is that if that were the case then and this is where I agree with you, Mr. Osborne or any one else should not be doing these promos and intros.
If I bring up something here, it is in the hope of it being seen, noted and perhaps not repeated the next time that a film is being presented. My intent has never been one of being malicious or disrespectful to Mr. Osborne.
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>>Is color being used at all in the movies of today? Every time I see a movie ad on TV, the color palette looks to be mostly blues and browns, with the exception of the explosions.
Isn't that annoying? It's like going to the movies and watching them with tinted glasses. I can understand some films needing to establish an off-color pallette for the purpose of ambiance, but must every film be either gun-metal gray, lime-green or amber?
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>>Mistakes happen. And as has been pointed out several times by posters who have had much stronger ties to TCM that I have, the mistakes that are made are trivial and non-important.
So, just so that I am in sync here, are you saying that info given that isn't in error isn't trivial and that only the mistakes are trivial?
>>So Mr. Osborne references a theatrical play that an actress was in and then says that Humphrey Bogart was also in the play. Bogart was in fact, not in the play. I say big deal. Who cares?
If no one cares, then why have intros and outros at all? Just because you don't care, no one else is supposed to have an opinion on whether they care about getting accurate information? What is the point of hiring and promoting Robert Osborne for his expertise and then have him betrayed by a staff that hands him incorrect data?
>>What do you all do anyhow? Do you all sit and watch when Mr. Osborne gives his intro and then you immediately reference a movie book or you go online to check out the validity of the information he has just given out?
No, I just compare it to what's in my head after years of study and having read the over 500 books on film in my collection. For all that I know, he could be incorrect a lot more often, I don't come in to an intro looking to doubt his words.
>>Because if you do, you surely look pretty darn small to the rest of us.
And maybe to those who do care about getting accurate info, you appear as if you're too easily satisfied. But I won't claim to be speaking for others, I only voice my own opinion. Whether you believe it or not, I like and respect Mr. Osborne, I just don't like it when his staff does anything to make him appear less than expert.
>>You guys need to go off and do something else instead of doing this every chance you get. It is getting tiresome.
So, in other words, if you don't like something said, those of a different opinion shouldn't bother expressing themselves and find something else to do? You could tell what the subject matter is by the title of the thread, you don't have to read it do you? Not that I'm telling you to be silent, I just don't believe that you have the right to expect others to not voice their opinions that are contrary to yours.
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Thank you LFN, I must say that I always enjoy your posts also.
Yes, the Woody Strode day was another good example. While I love ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST, I must admit that it doesn't satisfy my needs as a Woody Strode fan - other than the first ten minutes.
Just imagine, they could one year have a month where everyday the schedule could include an airing of THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD which would kill four hours of the schedule daily. Just build the month's schedule around the cast of the film.
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I'm old enough to remember a time when I could watch him in the mornings in OUR GANG shorts and then an hour or so later in reruns of THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE and then once-a-week in prime time on HENNESSY. Jackie Cooper seemed to be everywhere when I was a kid and just so damned likable no matter what the vehicle.
Except when he was a guest villain on COLUMBO.
Here's one of my favorite OUR GANG bits:
http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/reply/712459#reply-712459
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I much prefer the August event as there can be some surprises in terms of who is selected and then which films are aired. Sometimes there are disappointments - the day for Alan Ladd a few years ago had three films which added up to about five hours but at best five minutes in total of Alan Ladd.
Another example would be this year's Ben Johnson day where CHEYENNE AUTUMN is airing but in all two-and-a-half-hours of it, Johnson is seen for perhaps five minutes. He isn't even given billing.
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>>Now, as to the line about "for a period of time", I don't think this refers to the "run of the play" but to the stretch of time that she was known as being the "Bogart Slapper" from Dead End - which, at the time, would be what people would be able to recognize her for doing on screen. Marjorie Main wasn't notable or memorable as a film actress until years later. "Who's Marjorie Main?" "The woman who slapped Bogart." And for that period of time, it's what made her "unique." After The Egg And I, Main would be known for her "Ma Kettle" or other roles at MGM. But before those roles came to her, "slapping Bogart" would be her most notorious film appearance.
Then why not just say "because she was in the *movie* DEAD END, Marjorie Main was known for a time as the woman who..." Why bring up the play at all? While I think that it's admirable of you to come to the defense, I can't go by what is possibly meant, I can only go by what I heard. One does not need to attend a journalism class to know that when you only have a few minutes, you must be concise. You can't expect the audience to interpret where you're going, you have to lead them there.
In regard to Main's status, for a while prior to THE EGG AND I she was MGM's "replacement" for Marie Dressler, co-starring with Wallace Beery in an eventual seven films - only one of which came after THE EGG AND I. This could have been emphasized instead of the "poorly written" one-time-only slapping of Bogart who had yet to achieve his own peak of fame and was low man on the totem pole at his own studio. Slapping Cagney or Robinson might have been one thing, but Bogart? Bogie wasn't of enough stature on his own to make someone else known for slapping him.
Understand, I'm not picking on Robert Osborne. Given conditions, I really just expect him to show up and read what's there, having a measure of faith in his handlers. But in the past (for thirty years) I have written researched presentations to be delivered by others as well as myself. My objective was always to make the speaker look good and not just because my job depended on it. If you want to excuse it as being "poorly written" then that person has no business preparing the text. Writing Mr. Osborne's material is not a task that I would give to unpaid interns.
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Tonight after FAST COMPANY, the "researchers" got him to say that because she was in the play DEAD END, Marjorie Main got to do something for a period of time that made her unique - slap Bogart in the face.
One thing wrong with that - Bogart was not in the play.
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>>What happened to Vince, anyway? I haven't seen him shill for the SlapChop in ages.
Vince got into a real mess with a lady of the evening. The kind of mess that a ShamWow couldn't clean up for him.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/shamwow-guy-slap-chop-bust
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I'll let someone else take my turn. Knowing me, I'll forget to come back here.
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"The Mysterious House of Dr. C" aka "The Fantastic World of Dr. Coppelius."
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>>In the 50's No major studios had problems promoting Rock Hudson or Tab Hunter as big stars and matinee idols. Why then did Disney have to dump Tommy Kirk--really his biggest male star?
Savage Sam (1963), a continuation of the Old Yeller story, gave Tommy a rare dramatic action role, though the storyline strained credibility. But Tommy's next picture, The Misadventures of Merlin Jones (1964) marked at once his high-point of popularity and the beginning of his downfall at Disney. Though he had long tried to keep his sexual orientation a secret, Tommy's increasing lack of self-control in his personal life was making it hard to conceal. The studio, including Walt Disney, was certainly aware that he was gay, but did nothing about it so long as it wasn't threatening to become a public issue.
In 1993, Tommy did a now famous interview with Richard Valley for Scarlet Street magazine, in which he discussed his lifestyle, past substance abuse, and the circumstances of his dismissal from Disney. Tom, at age 23, was carrying on an affair with a fifteen-year-old boy he had picked up from a public pool. The boy's mother went to Walt Disney to complain, and Walt decided Tommy had become a liability. His contract was dropped, though the studio did allow him to come back for a Merlin Jones sequel, The Monkey's Uncle (1965), which coincidently was Annette's last Disney film as well.
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Sounds like THE FEMININE TOUCH
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Jeff Goldblum
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>>I'm glad I subscribed to Now Playing as the TCM online schedule seems to be increasing in its unreliability, rather than improving...
I had a subscription to Now Playing a few years ago but let it expire as the info within (descriptions, designations of closed-captions, letter-boxing) was pretty much a duplicate of what was in the online schedule.
The old format online schedules were available up through June. Thus I'm wondering about whether Now Playing will reflect the online schedules for July and August which are still in error in regard to the letterboxed films. Maybe the same genius decided to "upgrade" the magazine also.
"The Woman in the Window" THEN "Scarlet Street"
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>>Where does the title "Scarlet Street" come from?.......<<
Maybe we're back to blood in the streets in the town of New Haven.
I've always thought it was sort of an association with a red light district or a scarlet woman, another name for prostitute. Had Chris Cross never walked down this street, he wouldn't have been been caught between the moon and New York City.