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I hope that I can remember to check this out. I've always liked Mr. Miller, my sister had a crush on him when he was in MONA McCLUSKEY. He also made an appearance on THE FUGITIVE as a mentally handicapped young man and he was quite good in that.
Years later, I could swear that I spotted him in an episode of HOUSE CALLS while over someone's house helping to decorate a Christmas tree. No sign of it on the IMDb though, but if I make it tonight, I'd like to ask that question.
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I long thought that 3 GODFATHERS (1948), with John Wayne, was an original, and loved it. Then on TCM I watched THREE GODFATHERS (1936), with Chester Morris, and later, HELL'S HEROES (1930) with Charles Bickford, and found myself appreciating all three films, though practically word for word/scene for scene repeats of each other. Now I've discovered that there is another, older, silent version: THE THREE GODFATHERS (1916), with Harry Carey, that I wish TCM could gain access to and air for me (us) to see and enjoy!
In addition to Harry Carey starring in the 1916 version of THREE GODFATHERS, he also appeared in MARKED MEN in 1919, another adaptation of the same story and this one was directed by John Ford. Harry Carey's character was rechristened Cheyenne Harry, a name he used in films from 1916-1936.
There's even a 1915 version of the story titled BRONCHO BILLY AND THE BABY, so next time someone whines about how Hollywood of late is nothing but remakes, you can use all of this to silence their complaining.
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As fascinating as they are, IP addresses make for boring conversation, have never been used as a plot device in a classic movie, and won't be seen in HD or SD.
It's a little known piece of trivia that originally Michael Caine was to star in THE IP ADDRESS FILE back in 1965. But it was decided that this wouldn't be a good idea since in 1965, nobody knew what an IP address was in the first place since the internet didn't exist.
So, with just a little tinkering, one exec came up with THE IPCRESS FILE and that was met with unanimous approval since everyone knew exactly what was meant by Ipcress.
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There seems to be a conflict here; in TCM's Now Playing guide, the title of this movie is Captain Sinbad.
The movie has always been CAPTAIN SINDBAD. As a child I noticed the different spelling, but that difference also shows up in the literary history as well where he is also sometimes known as Sindibad and Sandbad.
In the good old days, people would double-check before pointing out what they think are errors. This failure to understand the importance of doing things correctly and meticulously is symbolic of Modern America, which is rapidly heading toward its inevitable third-world status.
EDITED TO ADD;
Now that he's edited his post, my paraphrasing and directly quoting the OP in the above paragraph no longer makes sense, but I'll leave it up anyway, just for the amusement of those who saw the OP before it was edited.
Edited by: clore on Jul 24, 2012 6:14 PM
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Oh, I should have said that this chess thing happened about five years after we were married. He had gotten the chess item - I think it was called "Chess Challenger" - as a gift for Christmas and he was enjoying setting some of us up to be beaten by it. This was at a Christmas Eve gathering.
I'm an unorthodox player, I've never studied the game, I just know how the pieces move. The thing is that I don't guess my opponent's next ten moves, there's too many variables. I just anticipate the next two perhaps.
Maybe the machine wasn't programmed with anything other than traditionalists as opponents. It took maybe an hour, but I did beat it. The other guests made such a fuss that he came in fuming.
It took a while for my father-in-law and I to get along. I hadn't volunteered for military service, opposed the war in Nam and I rarely watched sports other than horse racing. I believe it was Robert Klein who once joked about his in-law who was such a sports buff that "he watched anything that was listed in the TV Guide sports section, even if it was Lithuanian Midget Mud Wrestling at 4am."
It wasn't until I got my first VCR in August 1980 that we found common ground. I guess he didn't think it macho enough to be an old movie fan, but suddenly he started talking about Astaire and Rogers films and Deanna Durbin movies and how he was going to have to get one of these VCRs so he could tape the old movies on TV.
It turned out that he had quite a collection in the upstairs bedroom of books on old films while downstairs the bookshelves had sports books, an encyclopedia and manuals on crafts such as home wiring and plumbing. You could say I helped him come out of the closet as a movie buff.
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> {quote:title=Bilgewasser wrote:}{quote}
> I remember many years later when Bobby Fisher won the chess championship
> and 13 had a giant paper chess board and the "host" would move the pieces manually as they came in. Talk about low tech, but I guess that was the best they could do.
I was thinking of that earlier today as it was 40 years ago, right around this time of year. I was still dating the woman who became my wife (and then my ex). Her father was a chess buff but had to work and thus could not watch the match. He had his wife monitor them and log each move on a sheet of paper - talk about low tech.
If he could have in those days, he would have recorded and watched them.
He bought one of those early computerized chess "toys" - it wasn't a computer program. He had it for a few weeks but always lost. I'm no buff, but somehow I managed to beat the thing on my first try and wow, was he upset. I thought he was going to throw the thing across the room and as far as I know, he never used it again.
I guess that's where his daughter's temper originated.
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Yes, WABD was Dumont. I think that it was in 1958 that the call letters changed, I do recall that it was right around the time that school started.
I barely remember "Shock-O-Rama" as the films that they showed didn't have the Karloff, Lugosi, Chaney names that I was already associating with horror films, even as I was just becoming exposed to them. I never got to stay up late for the Zacherley shows on WABC, but usually one or two titles were rerun on the weekend without the host.
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Bilgewasser and Swithin:
Do either of you remember when Channel 13 was WNTA? They were owned by National Telefilm Associates and much of the schedule was 20th-Fox movies that were in the NTA catalog. I remember seeing HOUSE OF STRANGERS and CRY OF THE CITY as a youngster on their Friday late movie.
They also aired the syndicated series based on HOW TO MARRY A MILLIONAIRE.
Or how about Allen Swift as the host of the daily POPEYE show on WPIX? He would come on a mock ship and say "Four bells, Six O'clock, Captain Allen Swift on deck to greetcha." He left for more lucrative voiceover work, one of them being doing most of the voices on DIVER DAN.
Or Gloria Okon doing the weather t the end of the show for Arnold Brick Oven Bread?
Here's something you guys may enjoy, it's from the late 80s with Stewart Klein interviewing former WNEW (I remember when it was WABD) kid show hosts Sandy Becker, Soupy Sales and Uncle Fred Scott:
It's in three parts, the links follow at the finish of the chapters.
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> {quote:title=Swithin wrote:}{quote}Clore, we're about the same age. How well I remember Claude Kirchner, the Terrytoon Circus, and Clownie (or was it Clowny?). I loved Modern Farmer, as an NYC boy I thought it so romantic, all those countrypeople working in the fields. Modern Farmer was on in the very early morning hours in NYC -- maybe 6am or something like that. I'd like to see those films again, are they available?
"And now it's time for most of you to go to bed."
Usually sis and I went to bed when Claude Kirschner said that - we may not have gone to sleep right away, but we went to bed.
I haven't found a trace of THE MODERN FARMER since those days when it came on right after "The Star Spangled Banner." We didn't care, heck we used to watch the dot that remained on screen when we turned the set off.
Another early morning favorite was "Learn To Draw With Jon Gnagy" - at least for my sister. I have a strong visual sense, I just can't get it down on paper. My skill is as a photographer.
Sis had considerable talent when it came to drawing faces or horses, but not so much when it came to landscapes and such. She so wanted one of those Jon Gnagy kits, but it was too expensive to buy one from what may have been our first viewing of an infomercial.
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One night in 1957 - I wasn't quite six years old yet - my mother suggested that rather than go upstairs to bed as Claude Kirshner would say at the end of "Terrytoon Circus" - that I might want to check out the program coming on next at 730pm.
My sister and I would watch "The Modern Farmer" if it meant staying up later than usual, so we checked out this movie from "the old days" as we used to refer to anything from my mother's youth. It was KING KONG and from then on, sis and I watched just about every "Million Dollar Movie" presentation on a Friday night.
Not that it had to be Friday, they showed the same movie M-F twice in a row in the evenings, and three times in a row on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. Years later, I talked with someone who had worked at WOR for years, a film buff and author named Chris Steinbrunner. He told me that during its first week on the air, it was estimated that KING KONG was seen by over 80% of NYC's TV households.
That was because while each showing may have been eclipsed by the shows on the networks in the same time period, by the time you added up each of the 16 screenings, it had been seen by almost everyone who owned a TV set in the NYC area.
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> {quote:title=RaquelVixen wrote:}{quote}
> So no one in Hollywood who has been a guest programmer ever thought enough of Wilson, Hold Back the Dawn, Transatlantic or The Godfather to chose it as a selection? Especially The Godfather.
> I'm not buying that noise. The Guest Programmers are being told they have to chose from a limited number of films.
THE GODFATHER and its sequels as well as the re-edited "Saga" are all tied up by AMC until December 31, 2019. They have exclusivity until then as per the contractual terms.
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If you want instant gratification, you can watch it now on YouTube:
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As others are noting, this sort of industrial short or product promo show up on the Underground quite often. THE CORVAIR IN ACTION touts a particular compact car and since it has been out of production for 40 years or so, it's not likely to send anyone to the Chevy dealership.
USE YOUR EYES is a police training film that teaches cops how to spot drug paraphernalia like roach clips and bongs. It is not intended to have viewers inform on their neighbors if they spot a pack of EZ WIDER on the coffee table.
Another police training film is GOOFBALLS AND TEA which may be of interest to budding dealers as it teaches you how to spot the "good stuff" and there's a REEFER MADNESS-like story on a young woman's descent to the gutter after she leaves home.
WE LEARN ABOUT THE TELEPHONE isn't of much promotion value anymore since it teaches kids how to dial a phone - as in sticking the index finger into the dial and spinning it. Only slightly more current than "We Learn About Smoke Signals."
There's one about dealing with the hazards of operating heavy equipment made by the Caterpillar Tractor folks titled SHAKE HANDS WITH DANGER. There's a cute little title song that goes:
"Shake hands with danger
Any guy oughta know
I used to laugh at safety
But now they call me... Three Finger Joe"
Of interest as it's directed by Herk Harvey who helmed CARNIVAL OF SOULS.
These are just artifacts of a bygone era and I would think that anyone who might be awake watching this stuff at 4am would be able to place it in a historical context without being indoctrinated by the big brother eye in the living room.
For those such purposes, TCM uses the giant screens on top of buildings that you see in the opening for Robert Osborne-hosted films in prime.
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> {quote:title=jr33928 wrote:}{quote}Yes,i was defending myself against charges from y'all that i was making specific charges about BM that you people wanted specific "proof"of(how do you know that!!??),proof that would substantiate what you people thought was an "opinion"on my part,which i kept telling you people over,and over and over again, that i was NOT making charges against him,which i was very clear about,but none of you people would listen to me.You see,the problem was that none of you people seems to understand the diff. between an impression and an opinion.
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> At one point i was trying( in my poor way) to use an example to show y'all the diff. between an impression and an opinion. For my example(i wish now that i could have found a diff.one) a situation of seeing or not seeing a rapist,in one situation you KNOW someone is a rapist cuz YOU SAW HIM(opinion(fact)),in the other instance you DID NOT see him but think it "might be"(an impression(not fact)). At that point you said that i'm probably a rapist.It was in a post and other thigs were said too,but i don't remember the rest,just the rapist remark.The remarke was said in an accusitory way and was beyond defenseble to me. In my next post to you i called you on that remark but you had nothing more to say about it.Shortly thereafter the thread disappeared.
> You're right, it was a bad example and yes, the insult was beyond defense.
But that your memory is playing tricks on you is as much of an accusation as I'm going to make. Anyone who would have said that to you should have been banned, no time out, no temporary reprieve, just terminated.
You could have said mugger or murderer and there still would have been no reason for me or anyone to presume that you are one because you used the phrase in your example. I'm sorry that it happened to you, despite our disagreeing, it was uncalled for.
But sorry, I'm not the type to sink that low in disagreement. Even on an unmoderated forum such as the IMDb, where I spend most of my time, I would not let that empower me to insult someone in such a manner.
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> {quote:title=jr33928 wrote:}{quote}
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> > Well, it's real easy for you to make an accusation when you have nothing to verify your charge.
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> > Yes it is easy to make the accusation when it comes from clear memory. This isn't something i just decided to make up out of whole cloth.And why would i??? What possible reason could i have to say this unless i have clear memory of it?? Did i just wake up today and say to myself.....gee,i think i'll make up a story about ...hmmm,let's see....I know!!!...i'll claim that that person clore called me a rapist!! NO!! not no way,not no how!! Another reason besides memory for me remembering it's you is cuz you're the only one who sometimes types in red.As you did that night.None of the other people that night did that,and there were only about 6-7 people on the thread that night.
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OK, since your memory is so clear - what was the context of my supposedly calling you a rapist? Just how would that word come up in a debate (or argument if you prefer) over Ben Mankiewicz?
Now you extend your wild accusation by noting that I sometimes use red text when quoting others. That still offers no proof, and beyond just one word, you fail to offer anything more. I'll admit that I can use a person's own words against them in a lively exchange, but having that skill, I've no need to call someone in this forum a "rapist" which is a term that is as low as "child molester" on my barometer.
*Just making it clear to all, I am not calling him a child molester.*
Sorry, no sale here. I don't need to use such a term when my vocabulary is extensive enough that I can think of plenty of other, more applicable insults. In such an exchange as we had, I would expect anyone else to come down on me should I make such a reference, it has no place there.
I'll go as far as saying that no matter how we may have disagreed, had I observed someone else use that phrase, I would have jumped on them. Which isn't to say that someone else didn't say that. But you're accusing the wrong person.
However, if this is going to continue, I'll gladly leave. Not because I'm guilty, but because I want no part of a forum where such an unsubstantiated accusation can be permitted. I stand by anythng I've ever said here, and I admit that I may have ruffled a few feathers - but not by using such an inappropriate term to attempt to denigrate someone as that of which I stand accused.
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> {quote:title=jr33928 wrote:}{quote}Clore,the example can't be found because the thread where this occurred was removed during the night by the web admin.and all was lost.This happened approx. a year ago+/-. But I remember it well,as i naturally would,cuz it ain't every day that somebody accuses me of being a rapist.It was you.There were about 4 or 5 of y'all ganging up on me. Some of you people who don't understand the diff. between an impression and an opinion were making plenty of uncivil remarks to me,but your "rapist" remark was the worst.
Well, it's real easy for you to make an accusation when you have nothing to verify your charge.
But it wasn't me. I know we sparred on the subject of Ben, but I have no reason to equate you with a rapist by any stretch. For personal reasons that I will not divulge, that is not a term that I would apply lightly or in an inappropriate context.
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> {quote:title=jr33928 wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=clore wrote:}{quote}Civility should be the key here and in all communication on the web.
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WOW "clore" you sure have a lot of chutspah to come on here and lecture others about civility as though you know anything about it.I remember YOU calling me a RAPIST just because you didn't like my impression of Ben M. I guess you must have been "feeling empowered" by YOUR anonymity,huh "clore" I don't like being called a rapist "clore" and you have no right whatsoever to call me (or anyone else) a rapist unless you know that FOR A FACT!! " "clore",so cut your holier than thou B$. Stop telling other people how to act or what to say when you obviously have no knowledge of how to be civil. "clore". No more lessons on "civility" from YOU "clore".
You've got me confused with someone else. Here is the only post in all of my years here where I ever used the word "rapist."
http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8398700�
If you can find anything to the contrary, put it up for all to see. I will apologize and also voluntarily remove myself from the forum forever.
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I'm glad that you guys liked it.
Calvin - I'm in sympathy with your ailment. I have my own physical troubles which I won't go into, but I'm told that maintaining my sense of humor is as valuable a weapon against them as any treatment.
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Poor calvinnme, the messenger who has come to let us know that A FACE IN THE CROWD will air twice in October.
Why not get Count Floyd to host it?
"Tonight we have a scary movie about a hillbilly who preys upon the entire country, sucking their brains out of their heads. He takes Vitajex and turns into a hideous monster and there's only one woman who is brave enough to face him, the same woman who confronted Gort the robot."
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Possibly MISSILE TO THE MOON.
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They can both be viewed or download online here, being in public domain:
Thanks for the tip. I'll sample the print quality and see if they're worth watching. If they are, I'll make the sacrifice of watching them on my PC. The problem with that is that the seating isn't as comfy as the couch, and the screen is smaller.
But for those things that TCM doesn't air, the Archive is a blessing. Recently watched SHED NO TEARS there, a minor noir with Wallace Ford that was quite enjoyable.
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I've purchased all of the 20th-Fox Charlie Chan sets, but I waited until I could get them for 25 bucks or less per set. I'm on a retirement budget, so I must be frugal. The two Moto sets have yet to come down to that level, they're still hovering around 36-38 dollars a set.
So, as far as the 31st goes, two Wongs make it right.
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I see two Mr. Wong movies - *Doomed To Die* and *The Fatal Hour* on the 31st.
I wish they were Moto films, but i'll settle for these since they don't air very often.
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Yes, we read the transcript of the play in high school and I saw the movie maybe a year later. We had a book that had several plays such as this one, YOU CAN'T TAKE IT WITH YOU, HARVEY and THE GLASS MENAGERIE, and they were illustrated with stills from the film adaptations.
WEDDING works on the page and it probably worked on the stage, but Frankie, up close and in your face on a movie or TV screen is just way too much to bear and too obviously an adult, which for me made it all the more intolerable.
Actor and Author DENNY MILLER visits The Silver Screen Oasis!
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I very vaguely remember that GUNSMOKE episode, but I do remember that he had a particluarly tender moment with Erin Moran, although at the time I didn't have a clue as to her name. I don't want to reveal any details - what few I recall - but it represented an almost teary moment for me. I do remember Harry Townes as being rather nasty.
Nice interview with him here fotr anyone that wants some background on him:
http://www.galactica.tv/battlestar-galactica-1978-interviews/denny-miller-galactica.tv-interview.html