Bartlett

> Has any of this constant fighting had an effect on > anything other than this board and the people who > gather here to talk about movies? > Lost: A wonderful, classic film message board > where the members treated one another with respect > and civility. I can't believe that after the bashing you gave me last night on the "Star Wars" thread you have the nerve to come up with a statement like that. You are a hypocrite!

Thank you BobHopeFan, I was beginning to think it was Senior Bashing Night on the TCM Message Boards. I can't wait for my grand daughters to come Christmas Day so I can show them what not to say to their elders as I taught them tolerance and respect for Senior Citizens. Your words are kind and you are a good person.

> I saw the movie when it first aired on HBO and have > to tell you, I don't remember that line. Doesn't > mean it wasn't uttered in the movie. Also, doesn't > mean that JFK actually said it either. I didn't say that it was law, this is going on too far I believe there were many assassins in the JFK murder. Many think Oswald did it alone. We'll find out when we go to the next life. The speculation is in the mind of the person. We'll all find out in the hereafter till then I am finished with this discussion. Thank You

> Well, I can't recall any of them referring to MMonroe > or any other co-star as a "****". I was quoting John Fitzgerald Kennedy. I wouldn't say that!

> > I have to say you are one "progressive" grandmother. If you think that, what do you say about Gina Lollobrigida, Jane Russell, Mamie Van Doren and Mae West?

To verify what was said about Sinatra, Lawford, Kennedy and Monroe I suggest you watch the movie "The Rat Pack" starring Ray Liotta as Sinatra. Monroe was passed around like a peace pipe by the Kennedy Boys, and made many calls to Bobby the day she died, which by the way were unanswered. Jack was surprised when she showed up at the Garden to sing her famous Happy Birthday Mr. President song. She told Lawford that she was fed up and was going to blow the whistle on them by holding a press conference the day after she supposedly "Committed Suicide". I guess the government is above anything shady but I've read a lot of her death and poor Marilyn didn't have a chance. Sinatra did propose to her because he was fearful that she was suicidal, that part is true.

One of my favorites was Frank Sinatra and Peter Lawford. Lawford was married to one of John F. Kennedy sisters and told Frank that Jack Kennedy was going to visit California while President and needed some where to stay with during his week trip. Sinatra who had been supplying Kennedy Marilyn Monroe on a silver platter suggested that Kennedy would have privacy and Marilyn Monroe would be at his beck and call if Kennedy agreed to stay at Sinatras house. Kennedy leaped at the idea and said yes. Sinatra then proceeded to add a multi-million extension of his house complete with a a sex waterfall in his swimming pool so Kennedy could surpass his Fathers Joe record of several times with Gloria Swanson who he booked on board during his Honeymoon Cruise cheating on his wife Rose when they first got married. Then the bottom fell out John Kennedy's advisors told him that the news might leak out about him screwing Marilyn and that Sinatra was known for associating with the Italian Mafia and instead he should consider staying with Mr. Clean Bing Crosby. Kennedy agreed and told Lawford to tell Sinatra. When Lawford told Sinatra he went into a rage..he called Crosby a "God Damn Republican" and proceeded to tear apart the extensions single handidly that were made in preperations for JFK'S visit. Sammy Davis and Joey Bishop had to restrain Sinatra from beating the crap out of Lawford and running to find his 45 to shoot Lawford while Dean Martin sat in his chair laughing at the scene. After calling Lawford every name under the sun he vowed that he would kill him on sight if he ever saw him again. Needless to say it got back to Kennedy who said "I guess I'll pass on the **** to Bobby now" ( Marilyn Monroe) Bartlett

Are we on commercial now? I've got a few, Molly Goldberg of the famous "The Goldberg's" with "Brillo Pads". Her last line in the commercial was "With Soap it's Loaded". The little brat at the breakfast table yelling at his mother "I want my Maypo". One of my family favorites a, woman selling Cadillac dog food saying "I've tried them all", and she looked like a dog. The Washier Machine repair man who had to fight his way into the kitchen with all the soap suds and tell the owner of the machine to use "Dash" unless she was employed by Lawrence Welk who use to dance on his accordion with "Little Alice Long" while bubbles were popping on his toupee. An A 1 An A 2! The Lone Ranger telling you to eat your Cheerios so you can help him catch the guys who killed Ben Cavendish and Bill Carson in the next episode. "I remember Mama" with Peggy Woods making Hans a "Good Hot Cup of Coffee" of Maxwell House so he wouldn't freeze his nuts off when he goes out in the Minnesota winter. So many more and so little time to do it, that's my life story. Bartlett

James Dean and Marlon Brando. Brando did work with Steiger also a method actor and it went well in "On the Waterfront", but Dean like Brando liked to improvise on the spot more so than Steiger and it would have bee interesting to see how Brando would have reacted.

> I think you misunderstood Bartlett's post though. > 'Twas Tone who married Barbara Payton. He was the > loser because he got the girl. Good deduction Mr. Burley, that is precisely what I meant!

> Anyone know anything about Franchot Tone's assault? > I've read a little about it... Enough to know it was > involving a boxer and a fight over a lady. Tom Neal beat the hell out of Tone over the affections of actress Barbara Payton. Tone was the total loser of the fight because he married Payton in 1951 and she divorced him in 1952 and took him to the cleaners and to make matters worse shacked up with Neal after the divorce giving Tone the ultimate shaft! Hooray for Hollywood! Bartlett

WOR -TV - Happy Feltons "Knothole Gang" before each Brooklyn Dodger "Home" game. 15 minute programs on Channel 11 "Liberace" and "Kate Smith" . Channel 9 "The Ted Steele Show". Channel Four "Pinky Lee" ( Pee Wee Herman copied him) ( And yes he had that crazy hat with a checkered sports coat) ( WHOO WHOO HEE HEE MY NAME IS "PINKY LEE). Channel 2 "The Red Buttons Show" ( "Strange Things Are Happening"). The seven O'clock news with CBS - Doug Edward...NBC - John Cameron Swayzee and ABC with Bill Meyers. On Wpix 11 you had John Tillman...Kevin Kennedy and weather man Joe Bolton sponsored by Taystee Bread. I loved Officer Joe on "Our Gang" comedy, I called my mother to watch him add a half a jar of Bosco to his milk and then drink it, and told her if he could do it so could I. Chuck McCann had dog puppets with Beatle haircuts singing Beatle songs when the Beatles first were popular. Soupy had "Pookie" who sang from the old radio on the window sill, especially during election time when he sang the "Get Out and Vote" song. Soupy's thought for the day was on a blackboard and when he was finished with it he would take it off the holder and tell someone who was off camera to have it "Dried Cleaned" Also Chuck McCann did "Dick Tracy" besides "Little Orphan Annie" What a treat! Bartlett

Dig Deep for these ones. Whoo Whoo Hee Hee my name is "Pinky Lee'. Before every Brooklyn Dodger Baseball game at Ebbets Field.. Happy Feltons "Knot Hole Gang". Fifteen minute segment of "Lberace" and "Kate Smith on WPIX Channel 11. Channel WABC "Foudini and "Pinhead'.. Cannel 11 WPIX piano playing "Snarky Parker" and his advice to his puppet friends. The "Bob and Ray show on Channel 4 featuring Audrey Meadows before she left for the Jackie Gleason" Honeymooners show. Ben Grauer on the streets on Channel 4 showing the sights of New York seven o'clock every night. "Dialing for Dollars on WABD Channel 5,with Marvin Scott and trying to guess the movie that was playing. "Bowling for Dollars with Bob Murphy on Channel Nine at 7:30 at night. Hopalong Cassidy on Channel 13 everyday and Sunday nights. The Gene Autry show with Pat Butrum. Sunday nights "Happy trails to you sung by Roy Rogers and Dale Evans. Vin Scully announcing Brooklyn dodgers game and giving free 1,000 cartons of of "Lucky Strikes" to the vetrans in the vetrans hospital each time a Dodger hit a home run. Bring back those innocent days when we were wide eyed and had the world at our feet as we were just starting and had "High Expectation" that turned into an ongoing nightmare as we got older. Give me the "Nifty Ffitys instead of the dread times of today that trigger hopelessness and depression every day we wake up and struggle through the day. The fifties and early sixties were indeed the best times of my life and I would give up all I have now if I could re-live them again! Bartlett

> And, Yes, I still have my Jon Gnagy Art set. I was close with his name but I remember thinking that's a cool beard he had under his chin. Also on Sunday morning you mentioned Winky-Dink with Jack Barry. I had the plastic cover also and couldn't wait to draw the secret message of the day. Then I got educated and watched "You are There" after Winky-Dink on Channel Two. Hey it wasn't all cartoons and puppets for us TV kids, we had our own version of "Sesame Street" "All things are the same as they were...except "You Are There"!

Keep it coming? OK how about these? Herb Sheldon on Saturday morning followed by Paul Winchell & Jerry Mahoney with Knucklehead Smith followed by "The Big Top" presented by Sealtest Milk followed by "Andy's Gang" with Andy Devine and that pesky "Froggy", sponsored by Poll Parrot "The Shoes you want to buy" "They make your feet run faster as fast as Poll can Fly" followed by "The Cisco Kid" ( Oh Cisco! Oh Pancho!) followed by "Wild Bill Hickok" with Guy Madison & Andy Devine ( Hey Wild Bill...Wait for me!) then to relax and learn something on WPIX John Nagy and his painting instructions. Bartlett

> Thanks, Bartlett. I had a senior moment (more > prominent lately). Not too bad, I was only 2 channels > off. Is that so? Your lucky, I get "Senior Days", I guess anyone who remembers the Yule Log and "The Million Dollar Movie" like us are in the same boat!

> I also believe it was WOR CH9 that ran the yule log > for 24 hours. A cozy fireplace with logs burning > while Christmas music played. We use to wrap our > presents while it was on. > Those were the days. The Yule Log was on WPIX Channel 11 Mongo!

If you remember those programs and you had a T.V. in 1953, you must remember Rootie Kazootie, Wonderama on Sundays, Junior Frolics on Channel 13 with "Uncle Fred Sales" ( Farmer Gray, and Ko-Ko the Klown cartoons) and Friday night Bugs Bunny with Sandy Becker. What a time it was!

> Wow, I don't remember Capt. Allen Swift. In fact, > looking up his info: > > "Captain Allen" hosted Ch. 11's "Popeye Show" from > Monday September 10, 1956 until his TV voyage ended > on Friday, September 23, 1960. > > ********************************************* > > "On Monday, September 26, 1960, a new Skipper took > the helm of WPIX TV Ch. 11 NYC's "Popeye Show" - and > maintained its course for the next 12 years with his > warm smile, gentle wit and soft spoken demeanor. > > "Captain Jack" McCarthy succeeded Allen Swift and Ray > Heatherton (formerly WOR Ch. 9's Merry Mailman) as > the third and last host performer of the series > following Swift's abrupt departure from the program > on Friday, September 23, 1960." > Those were the days. > > dolores Captain Allen Swift pulled a "Lonesome Roads" from "A Face in the Crowd" when he didn't realize that his "Mike" was still on and called his audience (children) a bunch of "Little Bastards" as he was waving goodbye to them as the show was ending with the "Popeye" theme being played in the background. The next night "Captain Jack" McCarthy took over.

Not so much the guys. ( Though they did have their share of arguments) Dean Martins wife Jeanne hated Jerrys wife Patti and the two of them had a "Cat Fight" on the set of "Living it Up". Jeanne kept telling Dean that Jerry was getting more laughs and better material to use because of his wifes ( Patti) coaching. Dean and Jerry really did like each other but were confronted with bickering from their wives and decided to part so both could have a quiet home life. The ironic part of it was that the main reason for the break-up disappeared in 1982 when Jerry divorced Patti as Dean divorced Jeanne in 1973. Jerry to this day adores Dean and has recently written a book about him and has often said the day when they broke up was the day that he will regret till he dies. Bartlett

One of James Deans first appearances was in a Martin & Lewis 1952 movie called "Sailor Beware'. He played a corner man in a fight scene to the boxer in the ring against Jerry Lewis. His only line in the movie was "He is a professional fighter". Even at the time he was a year or two away from his classic "East of Eden", I consider it a "Cameo' appearance.

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During the filming of "The Magnificent Seven" Yul Brenner thought Steve Mc Queeen was trying to "Upstage" him by doing what Yul thought was annoying things. When McQueen got the scatter gun from the stagecoach driver and rattled the buckshot holder Brenner thought he was trying to steal the scene from him. Also when McQueen took off his hat and held it in front of his face to see what direction the sun was coming from Brenner became enraged. It might have been Brenner was right because when McQueen starred in the Towering Inferno with Paul Newman he insisted his and Newmans name appear together on the screen at the same time in the credits, and at the same level. McQueen also read the number of lines that Newman had in the Inferno script and discovered that Newman had several more lines then him. At his insistence he made the writers add additional lines for his character so he and Newman would be equal. What a Prima Donna! Bartlett

After watching the movie "Schindler's List", I'd like to be Audie Murphy in "To Hell and Back" so I can kill as many Nazi's as he did. Bartlett

One of the greatest performances of a drug addict withdrawal was made by Frank Sinatra in "The Man with the Golden Arm". I have never seen a performance that can even compare to the scene when Kim Novak locked him in the closet and he kicked the habit "Cold Turkey". He was also outstanding in the movie "Suddenly" when he portrayed an assassin with Sterling Hayden as a co-star. These films combined with his outstanding performance of Major Marco in "The Manchurian Candidate" and his Academy Award in his come-back effort as Maggio in "From Here to Eternity", only prove that Mr. Sinatra was not only the best of the best as a singer but an outstanding actor who always seems to be overlooked when people talk about favorite actors. A very talented man INDEED! Bartlett