CoopsGal
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I believe we all have our definitions. Your brother dislikes Coop but you may dislike one of his "heroes" for the exact same reasons. Eye of the beholder.
To be quite honest, I don't like his heros because they're fake. Too Hollywoodish for me, but as you said, we all have our definitions of a hero -- they've just, sadly, gotten poisoned over the years.
I'm not a Gary Cooper fan... yet. I haven't given his films a serious look, but I will watch a few of his films tomorrow. I'm looking forward to seeing Man of the West, Return to Paradise, and They Came to Cordura. The Fountainhead, Peter Ibbetson, Design for Living, and The General Died at Dawn are the other Coop films I'm getting itchy to see. I'm actually getting close to purchasing the one Cooper DVD box set.
Wonderful movies, but I think to appreciate the more dramatic and "darker" films of his, you should see a few of his others. Of course 'to each their own', but here's just a small list of movies you may really enjoy seeing:
Sergeant York
Pride of the Yankees
Mr. Deeds
Friendly Persuasion
Casanova Brown
The Cowboy and the Lady
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What I really dislike is a regular person who does things that people just can't do. Movies don't need to necessarily be uber-realistic but I'm not buying that a guy gets shot multiple times but gets up and acts just fine
Amen! That's also why I love Gary's movies; he wasn't flying around in a spaceship and destroying three-headed beasts! He was simply just a man with superheroisms inside -- not outside. He didn't need big muscles, a large gun and a cocky attitude. He played the hero part to reality and wasn't some fantasy superheo with freaky unrealistic powers.
He did what people are afraid to do now: he stood up for what he believed in and told them flat out what was right and what was wrong, but he didn't go about it in the wrong manner. He held himself together and that's truly what the boys of this age look for, but their minds are so darn polluted they don't know what the heck to think!
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The biggest filmgoing audience back in the early-40s was a 41-year-old woman. It was far more believable that someone like Gary Cooper could be a hero then. I doubt 14-year-old boys can imagine Cooper as a hero today. He doesn't look like a "hero" as they know heroes to be. The same can be said of Jimmy Stewart, who is my favorite actor.
Too true; I have a 13 year old brother and he hates Gary because he isn't "manly" enough. I asked him what his definition of "manly" was and he said, as you did, "strong muscles, big guns and a bigger attitude." These children are deprived! They don't know who heros are! Oooo, I don't wanna get on that soapbox again, but you guys know where I stand on THAT subject, lol.
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i think gary would also have done fabulous in stagecoach. but i liked him in beau geste, if he did choose beau geste over it. i wouldnt have wanted him to choose stagecoach over beau geste.
I'm probably the only Gary fan who really loves Beau Geste, but I can't help it. I just think it's powerful and very well done -- even though Gary dies in the end
(I trust we've all seen this movie so it's no surprise). As I've stated before, I HATE when he dies in the end of films and I can't stand to see him get hurt, but Beau Geste was a wonderful film to me because it had so many good points that kept adding building the film up. Okay, I'm gonna dig up one of my previous posts -- it may explain it better."I love his movies, as you know; Sgt. York, Friendly Persuasion, Souls at Sea, Mr. Deeds, Casanova Brown etc. and I don't like when he dies either; but there are some points in time where I feel like, 'gosh, that movie was way too predictable and unrealistic.'
So I start thinking, 'I hope I don't know the end of this movie; I mean, he's gotta live; all the good guys do.' But then again, that's completely Hollywood; saying that every good guy wins and all the bad guys lose.
I guess, for me, it makes the movie more powerful -- has more of an impact -- when he dies as heroically as he did. Granted, it was horrible to watch and yes, I did cry, but you go away from the movie thinking, "wow...I did NOT expect that. ....I love the guy even more than I had before...gosh, I miss him"
You realize he can play all kinds of different roles. I'm sure that's what Gary was about, too. Sure, he always wanted the good guys to win, but he knew that wasn't reality - it didn't always happen that way. For good to truly triumph people have to lay down their lives.
I am SO glad it didn't work out that way in Sgt. York. Though he had laid down his life, it wasn't in death, but for eternal life: finding salvation.
So in the end (I know I make no sense whatsoever) I like Beau Geste, The Plainsman and a couple other movies where he dies, not for the fact that he does die, but because he portrays something more than the pretty men of today could ever dream of; he stood for something and stood by it until the end. Like High Noon; he's on the edge of the cliffs of death, meaning he isn't afraid to stand up for what's right - what he believes in. It doesn't always have to turn out badly to be a great movie, but it ties together real life, emotion, and heartache that makes you realize Hollywood actors are just like everyone else.
That's what Hollywood lacks today. It's all about 'be beautiful...and if you HAVE to...be beautiful when you die.' That just proves that Gary, yet again, is superior and leaves those others in the dust."
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Enough! This is turning into the length of Bleak House.
Not at all, John! We love to hear stories and information on Gary, that's why we're here!
i would have never thought that fonda could have pulled that character off in friendly persuasion. it doesnt seem the type role im used to seeing fonda in.i do wisht that gary and wyler could have worked more together than they did.i do love william wyler's work and if gary was in more wyler movies, that would have been fabulous.
I agree with ya' sis!
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Coop loved everybody.
And everyone loved Coop, lol.
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"He was a student of human nature.
Natural and unassuming,
he could spot a phony across a country mile.
It was said of Gary Cooper that
ten minutes after meeting the man,
you felt he'd been your friend for years.
And once he was your friend,
he was your friend for life."
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Wow, sorry I missed ya', butter...
Welcome to the greatest Gary Cooper forum on the net!
i know, i just love the cute little professors. have you seen that cute romantic one w/ merle oberon...the cowboy and the lady? that's another funny one.
I LOVE that one!! That is so adorable...
It's on my favorite list
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No problem!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159369/
IMDB - Internet Movie Database; just type in the title at the top.
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lol, This is the best I've got, but it isn't a smiley....*ahem* she's SMILING though:
Ooooops,
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lol, Yes! Just like that!
*Sigh* I know I'm strange...I'm the only one who has Clark Gable as a smiley...though I have Gary, too!
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lol, Thanks! For some strange reason it reminds me of Gable!
I haven't the faintest idea as to why
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Wow, I loved that email, Dan.
Now I wanna see it ASAP!
I still wish I knew if it would be released on DVD or shown on television (and on which channel).
The reason I keep thinking it's going to be shown on television is because they've played so many specials that aren't available ANYWHERE on DVD; like the Martin and Lewis show. I do hope they release it out to DVD; although, with my luck I probably couldn't find it in any stores and I don't think Wal*Mart would have it (sick joke, I know).
Oh well, I guess I have a few months yet to get my bearings. I'll keep my ears open
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Thank you so much!
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"That book by Kirk Douglas has really piqued my curiosity! I might try to look it up in the library."
Once you get it, Miss G, let me know! 'Cause I'd like to get it as well, but I don't have the money quite yet...
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Echo...echo...echo...
Hiya Shearer
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Absolutely. I thought it was very sincere as well; I mean, the two looked so happy together. though I know appearances can be decieving, these two reeked of love.
It's sad that his mother told her something like that; the woman has a right to be angry at the mother! But I heard somewhere that he was a momma's boy, so maybe he did take sides with her...
That's what really irritates me about this whole thing; I'm obsessed with details, I love getting the scoop on these people's lives, but the sad part is...I'll never truly know--none of us will truly know what really happend or what was really said, because that time has already passed, and those who know the truth are already dead.
There will always be speculation, but I guess our job is to stick as close to the truth as possible and share it with others, trying not to lead any others astray with weirdos like the folks on IMDB...I think that's why I appreciate this thread more than any others, because this place is where the true fans hang out....others are liable to be a place where the weirdos hang out, just to irritate and stir up strife between each other.
Again, I'm rambling on, I know. I just wanted to say I appreciate you guys...it's so wonderful to come to a place and actually talk about Gary; not a lot of places allow just one topic, and such a wonderful topic he is
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A few Gary Cooper quotes...
"He was a student of human nature. Natural and unassuming, he could spot a phony across a country mile.
It was said of Gary Cooper that ten minutes after meeting the man, you felt he'd been your friend for years.
And once he was your friend, he was your friend for life."
-- John Mulholland
"You're positive he's going to ruin your picture. I froze in my tracks the first time I directed him.
I thought something was wrong with him, and I saw a million dollar production go glimmering. I was amazed at the results on the screen.
What I thought was underplaying turned out to be just the right approach.
On the screen he's perfect, yet on the set you'd swear it's the worst job of acting in the history of motion pictures."
-- Director Sam Wood
He was tall, lean, handsome, soft-spoken, courteous, the American male. No other actor in the history of film so personified the ideal of the American male as Gary Cooper.
For 35 years and 92 films, Gary Cooper was America's Everyman.
-- John Mulholland
"Gary Cooper was the symbol of trust, confidence and protection. He is dead now.
What a miracle that he existed."
-- Upon his death in 1961, the German newspaper Die Welt said it best.
"Perhaps with him there is ended a certain America: that of the frontier and of innocence which had or
was believed to have an exact sense of the dividing line between good and evil."
-- Rome newspaper Corriere Della Sera
"I'm not good enough for him, I know that. But I tried to make him happy. I did make him happy. I would have done anything in the world for him.
His mother--I hope she never cries the tears that I have cried. I hope she never knows the suffering I have known.
I don't hate her, that much. She said I wasn't good enough for Gary. She told him that when I was in New York, I was seeing other men.
She told him that I wasn't faithful to him. He believed what she told him."
-- Actress Lupe Velez
"He was a poet of the real. He knew all about cows, bulls, cars, and ocean tides. He had the enthusiasm of a boy.
He could always tell you his first vivid impression of a thing. He had an old-fashioned politeness, but he said nothing casually."
-- Poet Clifford Odetts
"I liked Gary very much, but you know...He was a doll, he really was, a very nice guy...Gary was very nice, but the women were so crazy about him. '
More than any other man I knew. I think what attracted people was he had a great shyness, he kept pulling back, and it intrigued people.
He really was a very quiet, quiet guy."
-- Evelyn Brent
Whomever he played -- soldier, cowboy, adventurer, lounge lizard, lover -- Gary Cooper became that character. The artistry was seamless,
so natural that it was impossible to tell where the man left off and the actor began. As Charles Laughton put it: "We act, he is." John Barrymore put it another way:
"This fellow is the world's greatest actor. He does without effort what the rest of us spend our lives trying to learn - namely to be natural."
-- John Mulholland
"His death left a void no other actor can fill."
-- Gary Cooper biographer Homer Dickens
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I'd have to agree with Dan on the list of movies; but the reason why I think they wore makeup back then was because the film is so light and such, that they needed lipstick so their lips would show up; and their eyes had mascara so the intensity of emotion would show up more.
I mean, I know that's why a lot of women wear makeup, to bring out the intensity of their eyes, make it more dramatic looking.
Otherwise, they blend into the rest of the face and hide the emotion.
It probably makes no sense at all, that's just how I figure it.
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Wow, I don't think it's possible (for me) to choose just one favorite...
Though watch out; those who watch a movie or two are bound to become die hard fans
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No, actually that was Angie.
She scanned the image; but I also found another version.
I thought it was interesting...
The Bio Channel is airing Gary's biography on the 28th...I may have to buy the channel, but that's $15 for a bio I may already have...
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Does anyone here have the BIO channel?
(I trust we've all seen this movie so it's no surprise). As I've stated before, I HATE when he dies in the end of films and I can't stand to see him get hurt, but Beau Geste was a wonderful film to me because it had so many good points that kept adding building the film up. Okay, I'm gonna dig up one of my previous posts -- it may explain it better.
Any Gary Cooper Fans?
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I'm a film noir fan, so Gary's dark and racier films is where I must start out. I usually don't like "good guy" films, as much. I really can't wait to see how Coop fares in an Anthony Mann picture because I love the Mann-Jimmy Stewart westerns.
Then try (Once you're finished with your other list):
The Naked Edge
Ten North Frederick
Cloak and Dagger
Morocco
The Hanging Tree
He didn't make too many "racey" and "dark" films, but these are just a couple you'd like if you like those darker films. I just got interested in Raymond Massey, Edward G. Robinson and Boris Karloff films, so if you have any suggestions on great noir films, send me a PM; I need some good ones to start off with.