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6 hours ago, kingrat said:
Dargo, I think the main reason Dark Passage is better than The Lady in the Lake is that Delmer Daves is a much better director than Robert Montgomery. I have never seen Ride the Pink Horse, but will have to seek it out.
For Miss W and others not familiar with Wanda Hendrix: she gives a first-rate performance in Confidential Agent. That one turns up on TCM from time to time.
Delmer Daves' probably the reason, agree. There is a Transitional Noir that uses that same POV.
We see an unfocused shot of the sky sliced & diced and fragmented by bare branches. As the frame focuses and our view pans we see the branches are trees, we see buildings, and Central Park at the corner of 59th and 5th. Hands “rub” the eye of the camera, that "rub" also begins a faint jazz heartbeat increasing in tempo and volume as “we” the character sitting on a park bench search frantically through our suit pockets (for identification) combing out a train timetable, a scrap of paper with a phone number and some pills. A ring on his finger has an inscription “from G.V.”. The POV sequence continues until we stumble into a mirror at the Plaza Hotel when James Garner is revealed. He has neither money or ID but he does remember the name of a woman, a woman named Grace.
By their style you will know them.
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9 hours ago, LawrenceA said:
http://www.moviecollectoroh.com/reports/TCM_SCHEDULES_SUMMARY_alpha.htm
Cruising has not been shown, which isn't a surprise given the controversial nature of it. I'd say it has noir touches, definitely. I have the DVD as part of my Pacino collection, but I haven't seen it in years. There's a remastered Blu ray due later this year.
Thanks for the link.
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7 hours ago, overeasy said:
I'll grant you that the shooting is similar and that it has a certain moodiness, but it sort of ends there, IMHO.
That above is again the whole jist of Noir being a style. There are plenty Noirs without Femme Fatales, and detectives, some even without murder.
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6 hours ago, Vautrin said:
I still see it as a sci-fi film.
So do I, what's the problem? Reducing the world to a "cinder" is a pretty dark plot point. When you compare TDTEST to many other 1950s SiFi that are brightly lit it stands out.
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R.I.P. Mostly remember from TV but A Face In The Crowd, and Men In Black.
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29 minutes ago, Dargo said:
Couldn't this one be considered a "comedy noir" of sorts?
I haven't seen it for a while and its on a mental list of films I should go back and check out. So it may be.
Another film that I've never seen that could very well be another Neo Noir is Al Pacino's Cruising (1980), anybody here seen it or know if it's ever been on TCM.
I don't have that Moviecollector Ohio [sic] search link.
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2 hours ago, Vautrin said:
a sci-fi film
A SiFi film, yes. But you're not getting the jist. Si Fi shot in a Noir Style, Noir is not a genre it's a style with a dark story. There are not many, they are Si Fi stories first but quite noirishly filmed.
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8 hours ago, speedracer5 said:
Do you think there are any noir musicals?
There was another one more recent 2008 called
It was good to a point then I lost interest for some reason, I'll have to give it another look-see.
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26 minutes ago, Det Jim McLeod said:
I grew up on 8th street and Astoria Blvd, the projects. I'm further up now, rather not say exactly where.
cool, understandable, you were really close to Astoria Park.
We lived on opposite borders. But I knew Crazy Dominic from that Hoyt Ave store and worked for him delivering booze to clients in vans when they stocked up for the holidays. Don't even know if that place is there anymore. But Bohemian Hall beer garden is still in biz, think it's the only beer garden left in the city.
Hey did you know there a sequence or two of 14th Street and Astoria Park South in Kiss Of Death, it's one of Astoria's few Noirs.
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15 minutes ago, Dargo said:
Hmmm...ya know CJ, I remember as a kid and even as far away as SoCal (and where of course MY old stompin' grounds were) hearing of some traffic jams that would start in Harlem and back up as far as there!
(...Yeah, I think I heard this traffic report on CBS every Sunday night, in fact!)
That traffic jam would have to go from Harlem over the Triboro Bridge then along the Grand Central Parkway to Jackson Heights, it's geographically feasible.
Car 54 Where Are You?, I have the complete series on DVD though one of the DVD's I never could get to play, but now that you've mentioned it, I got to try it in the Bluray player, Region free and it usually plays everything.
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Just now, laffite said:
I wonder what he's looking at there. A rat or a pizza.
The ax....
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1 hour ago, LawrenceA said:
Have you seen The Set-Up? I would call that one an essential Robert Ryan movie. And Crossfire, of course.
He's a good guy in The Set-Up, at least.
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13 hours ago, laffite said:
a greasy gun dealer that is played by a soft-spoken fat man
"Big Ralphie. Big Ralphie is a skel, a gavoon, a real fat slob. He lives in a one room flop. He keeps sewer rats for pets. He's got their cages all Christmas doodad-ed. He's eating pizza with his rats. He skeeve's out Frankie big time. But Ralphie's got contacts. He wants half a G. Frankie says two bills. They compromise on three. Frankie say he'll go him a yard and a half now and the rest on delivery. Ralphie squeals. Frankie throws in another fifty. Deal done."
Larry Tucker (Big Ralphie) is in Sam Fuller's Transitional Noir Shock Corridor 1963 also and has quite a few writing credits.
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19 minutes ago, cinemaspeak59 said:
Two movies set in the 1940's that I loved, odes to Classic Noir and both in gorgeous B&W:
The Man Who Wasn't There (2001) directed the Coen Brothers
The Good German (2006) directed by Steven Soderbergh
Saw the first, haven't seen The Good German yet.
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5 hours ago, Det Jim McLeod said:
Me too Joe! I'm still there and will never leave.
Cool, what street?
Well my grandfather worked demolition in Manhattan. They lived in a tenement down near where the United Nations is now. After a fire in the tenement (nobody got hurt) he decided to build a house in Astoria. He bought a lot on a hill along the old Bowery Bay Road that people took to the Amusement Park and beach at North Beach from the last trolley stop on Astoria Blvd, at St. Michael's Cemetery.
He built the house with salvaged windows and doors with those cool glass doorknobs from the old mansions on 5th Ave. When the regular street grid went in the city lowered the grade a full story, so my grandfather had to build another basement under the first basement. My mother was born in that house with the help of a mid wife. That Bowery Bay Road was the boundary line between Astoria and Jackson Heights, so after the street grid went in we lived on 49th Street, Astoria, between 21 Ave, and Ditmars Blvd., the next road over was Hazen Street, Jackson Heights.
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56 minutes ago, misswonderly3 said:
Pila (played by Wanda Hendrix. I'd never heard of Wanda Hendrix before. I looked her up, and apparently she was in quite a few films, but I've never heard of any of them.)
Her other good Film Soleil/Noir is Highway Dragnet (1954) with Richard Conte and Joan Bennett. Hendrix plays a fashion model, Bennett the fashion photographer, and Conte a GI falsely accused of murdering a blond bimbo in Vegas. Its got a cool ending in a surreal looking half sunken resort in the Salton Sea.
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17 minutes ago, misswonderly3 said:
sort of lady
Nice touch.
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2 hours ago, speedracer5 said:
Do you think there are any noir musicals?
Party Girl is and Pennies From Heaven with Steve Martin is a Neo Noir one.
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18 minutes ago, Michael Rennie said:
I had to pull the plug. Talked to Comcast twice today. I do not have TCM anymore. Comcast blames the owners of various channels. I will be back again one day and it will feel Christmas.
If you have high speed internet get Sling TV. I pulled the cable plug a few years back.
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3 minutes ago, Swithin said:
My old LIC neighborhood is quite unrecognizable now (as you may know). It was a village when I lived there (1981-2002), but then they changed the zoning laws and now they can build anything, so many expensive apartment buildings.
Yep lots of sky scrapers in LIC now.
Here's a Photo I took in late 60s from the last car of the train you see in the photo.
But I remember as a kid where in the above image you see parking lots there was an curving octopus like steel structure that used to carry the turnaround tracks left over from when the 2nd Ave el came across the Queensboro Bridge. They took it down sometime in the late 50s.
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1 hour ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
Does this film feature the NY subway system? I can't recall. Either way, some great views of the NYC during the 40s.
Yea, there is a scene with Conte down in an 8th Ave IND station.
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1 hour ago, Swithin said:
You are technically correct, but, let's compare our New York creds: In my experience as a native (whose uncle was a conductor on the old New Haven Railroad), most New Yorkers refer to the station as Grand Central Station, just as no New Yorker whom I ever knew called Sixth Avenue the Avenue of the Americas, even when that was its correct/official name.
But I think most people would simply say "Grand Central."
It's nice to hear you mention the "IRT." Those names for our subway lines (also IND and BMT) are rarely used any more.
When I was a wee lad, there was a model fallout shelter in Grand Central, for people who might want to purchase one. In my teen years, that space became a Merrill Lynch kiosk, where you could check your stock's fluctuations at any point during the day.
Native here also, born and lived in Astoria, Queens, my dad worked for the Long Island RR for about 10 years. I rode the subway quite a bit when they were IRT, BMT, and IND. Went to high school in Manhattan so usually rode the BMT all the way in or switched at Queensboro Plaza to an IRT.
I traveled by rail out of Grand Central cross country and back a number of times on the Lake Shore Limited to Chicago and from there to Montana on either the North Coast Hiawatha or the Empire Builder.
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Enjoyed tonight's showing of The Day The Earth Stood Still.
Noir is a style for me not a genre, a style that has a visual component that combines a dark story line or subject matter.
Everybody knows at least some of the archetypes of the style/stories called Noir, the detective and the femme fatale are the most recognized. Quite a few others though in the Classic stories. You know, the ordinary Joe blow who is in the wrong place at the wrong time or the babe who makes one wrong decision, or falls for the wrong lug. Or the GI who gets hit in the head with a piece of schrapnel or kissed with a wrench who has amnesia and has to trace his past. The boxer, the truck driver, the druggist, the actress, the singer, the stripper, the housewife, the nurse, the crook, the con man, the psychic, the junkie, junk man, the taxi dancer, the waitress. Though Crime stories are the core of Classic Noir there are other stories about about untidy, unpleasant, and dark subjects that combine with the visual stylistic cinematography that we tune to as Noir.
There are Noir Westerns Pursued (1947), Blood on the Moon (1948) The Furies (1950), The Great Silence (1968), Screwball Comedy Noirs The Grand Central Murder (1942), Deadline at Dawn (1946), His Kind of Woman (1951), Shack Out On 101 (1955), and even Lady In The Lake (1946), has some of this quality, there are probably a few others lurking in the Classic Noirs. Neo Noir contenders are Dr. Strangelove, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964), Seven Beauties (1977), The Late Show (1977) After Hours (1985), Down By Law (1986), Delicatessen (1991) and The Big Lebowski (1998).
Noir Dramas, The Lost Weekend (1945), In A Lonely Place (1950), Sweet Smell Of Success (1957), I even consider much of Tennessee Williams filmed plays at least the darkly filmed ones pretty noir-ish, especially A Streetcar Named Desire where Stanley is the homme fatale to Blanche and The Fugitive Kind. Also All Fall Down (1962).
Fantasy/Supernatural/SiFi/Horror Noir The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951), Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956), ,Repeat Performance (1947), , The Amazing Mr. X (1948), Fear in the Night (1947), The Night Has a Thousand Eyes (1948), Alias Nick Beal (1949), Dementia (1955), and Nightmare (1956), there are probably a few more. Neo noirs Night Tide (1961), The Manchurian Candidate (1962), Seconds (1966) The Psychic Killer (1975), Blade Runner (1982), Angel Heart (1987), Delicatessen (1991), Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992), Lost Highway (1997), Dark City (1998), Mulholland Drive (2001), Sin City (2005) Dark Country (2009), and Sin City: A Dame To Kill For (2014).
Bio/True Story Noirs Dillinger (1945), Young Man with a Horn (1950), I'll Cry Tomorrow (1955), The Wrong Man (1956), Somebody Up There Likes Me (1956), The Bonnie Parker Story (1958), I Want To live (1958), Baby Face Nelson (1957), In Cold Blood (1967), The Honeymoon Killers (1970), Lenny (1972), Raging Bull (1980), Auto Focus (2002) The Notorious Bettie Page (2005) Quasi Bio Noir and Lovelace (2013).
Hope you enjoyed The Day The Earth Stood Still also.
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Which movie would you love to see that doesn't get shown too often??
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They need to expand their repertoire of post 70's films too. 😎