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That's awesome about the pic of Lily Langtry. I thought they made her up for the movie too but sometime a while back I read something about her and was surprised to find out she was a real person.

Okay, I'm definitely reading *Peter Ibbetson*! I found an online version of it and I read parts of it and it's beautiful. It's written in first person like Peter is explaining the story. Here's a snippet from near the end that was just beautiful and nearly had me in tears. I'm definitely watching this one again this afternoon. Thus began for us both a period of twenty-five years, during which we passed eight or nine hours out of the twenty-four in each other?s company-except on a few rare occasions, when illness or some other cause prevented one of us from sleeping at the proper time. Mary! Mary! I idolized her while she lived; I idolize her memory. For her sake all women are sacred to me, even the lowest and most depraved and God-forsaken. They always found a helping friend in her. How can I pay a fitting tribute to one so near to me-nearer than any woman can ever have been to any man? I know her mind as I know my own. No two human souls can ever have interpenetrated each other as ours have done, or we should have heard of it. Every thought she ever had from her childhood to her death has been revealed-every thought of mine! Living as we did it was inevitable. The touch of a finger was enough to establish the strange circuit, and wake a common consciousness of past and present-either hers or mine. And oh how thankful am I that some lucky chance has preserved me, murderer and convict as I am, from anything she would have found it impossible to condone! I try not to think that shyness and poverty, ungainliness and social imbecility combined, have had as much to do as self-restraint and self-respect in keeping me out of so many pitfalls that may have been fatal to so many men better and more gifted than myself. I try to think that her extraordinary affection, the chance result of a persistent impression received in childhood, had followed me through life without my knowing it, and in some occult, mysterious way has kept me from thoughts and deeds that would have rendered me unworthy, even in her too indulgent eyes. http://books.google.com/books?id=TKSdpThpC4gC&dq=&pg=PP1&ots=wRs4UNn1FY&sig=Pii1WWnqrP9O72r_ywhXZzZYf4c&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3DPeter%2BIbbetson%2Bnovel&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title#PPP2,M1

I love deep discount and I'll keep that in mind, thanks! I've done the same thing with seeing a movie and then reading the book it was based on. I saw the newer Ralph Fiennes/Juliet Binoche version of *Wuthering Heights* several years ago and just loved it. I read the book and it was great. That version I saw too is also very faithful to the story. I did the same with *The Woman in White* too. I like the classic movie version (which will air on TCM in Decmeber - yay!) but my fave is a newer version I saw on PBS several years ago. I read the book right after that and it's one of my faves. I have a copy of *The Virginian* but haven't read it yet. I'll get around to it one of these days. I would also love to read *Peter Ibbetson* since that was such a great movie. I found that book at www.alibris.com. It's a great place for finding out of print or rare books.

*Angie, what are we going to do with this guy?* I don't know? We could use that new fangled ignore button. Just kidding, just kidding I've never heard anyone say a single bad thing about *Random Harvest*. It's not in the schedule again through the end of the year so I will most likely buy it at some point in the not too distant future. I had the dvd labelled, in the recorder and ready to go but I got so caught up in the game that it just completely slipped my mind. I think my eyes got as big as saucers when around 9 (half an hour after it started) I remembered it.

I hate that I missed *Random Harvest* but that was one of the best games the 'stros have played all year. We beat the Cardinals (our biggest rival) 18-1!!! I have been watching (not stalking - ha!) Towles for a couple years in the minors and was very excited when he got called up this month. So far he has not disappointed as he set a new club record for most RBIs in a game with 8 and notched his first major league homer. Okay enough baseball talk *I never saw Coop's Grunge Girl speak so forcifully before. That wasn't Donna Reed defending Lucy. And you took down poor Marlene in the process. I found it to be entertaining. You can let go of Marlene's neck now.* Maybe I came off too mean in that post but it just made me so mad that they were saying b/c Lucy was a tv actress that she wasn't as good as movie actresses. You can't really compare the too in my mind and I thought it was unfair. I don't like knocking one person down to build up another and that's not what I was trying to do with Marlene/Lucy. I thought Marlene actually did a good job in *Desire* with Gary but I really have no desire (no pun intended) to see any of her non-Gary films. That said, I do like what she did to help Jews in the entertainment industry escape the Nazis during the war. I always like it when celebrities use their fame and resources to help others and while I may not like their work, I can respect for the other good things they do.

That's a good comment! Man I just realized that I missed Random Harvest. I got caught up in the Astros game (we're actually winning) and the movie started 40 minutes ago. It doesn't look like it's scheduled again anytime soon. I'll have to either buy it or just try to catch it later.

*Though it would be somewhat amusing to see how he'd react if he saw a group of women running toward him with drool leaking from their mouths.* Something tells me he wouldn't put up much of a fight against us

*So women who stalk and obsess over men who are no longer living is fine? ......That's a double strike against ya', Angie, you're having no luck, lol.* I stalk both the dead and the living (ha!). I think that should only be one strike against me!!

Yep, *Pride of the Yankees* gets me every time. Most baseball movies get me pretty choked up though, I'm just a sucker for 'em. Well the *Major League* movies don't b/c they're funny but both versions of *Angels in the Outfield*, *Field of Dreams*, *For Love of the Game*, *The Rookie*, and *Fever Pitch* (even though it's mostly funny) really get to me. I've got a dvd about the Astros 2005 season when we made it to world series for the first time after one of the worst starts in franchise history and every time I watch it I'm just about in tears by the time we win the pennant.

I love *Nosferatu*, both the 1922 silent version by Murnau and the Werner Herzog 1979 remake. Both of these films have a wonderful, other worldly, creepy feel to them. One of my fave scenes in the '22 version is when the carriage is speeding away and the way they filmed it, it's moving very strangely and very quickly which makes it seem supernatural. The '79 version begins with a very eerie soundtrack as we see skeletons lined up in some kind of catacomb. They still have some skin on them and look mummified. Klaus Kinski made a wonderful vampire and he's very creepy, much like Max Schreck in the original.

I hope *Random Harvest* doesn't make me cry too much. I'll probably watch it with my mom b/c I imagine she'll like it and I just hate to cry in front of people. I remember the first time I was watching *Pride of the Yankees*. My mom was upstairs working in her office and it got to the farewell speech and I started crying. I was thinking to myself I was glad I was alone then before that scene was over she got finished and came downstairs. She asked me how the movie was and I was so choked up I could barely say anything.

*I just focus on gary. its not like i dont do that with all his others anyway. heehee!* That's always a good plan! I realize a lot of the times even when other people are talking I'm still watching him and not just b/c he's so easy on the eyes (ha!), but also to see his reaction to the other actors in the scene b/c he's always doing something either with a facial expression or subtle body language. He's just does so many little things that make his characters seem like real people and while there are a lot of other good actors out there, I just don't notice many others doing things like that.

I see you read my post in the 'Lucy was a B movie star' thread. If it was just about anybody else I would have let it go but people can't go around insulting Lucille Ball and expect to get away with it . *I love wacky, obsessive women. Well, at least the ones who don't stalk Brad Ausmus*. Hey just b/c I go out of my way to drive 150 miles to Houston for games and also go to Florida for Spring Training just to ogle, I mean enjoy watching a certain person play doesn't mean I'm a stalker - ha! Trust me I'm not nearly as bad as a couple other women in my Ausmus yahoo group. One of them works at her local TV station in Columbus, OH (as an editor so she's not an on air personality) and she used her media credentials to actually get an interview with him during a game when they were in her neck of the woods. Thing is, she and her friend were staying in the same hotel with the team and the day before the interview they saw him in the lobby and got his autograph and pics with him (even though they already had done this several times as well in the past). Then after the interview was over the next day he very politely said 'Nice to see you girls again.' They thought they were done for but he just smiled and left the room after having given them a very good interview which they posted at our group. Can you imagine how bad we would be if Gary was still around (evil laugh!!!)? *Do I have to put you on the Satellite of Love and force you to watch all of The Fountainhead, Astro Girl? Don't make me get Torgo.* I'll answer this if I can ever stop laughing!! You can put me up there and have Torgo put his famous moves on me and I still don't think I'd be able to finish it!!! It's not even so much that Gary is playing out of character b/c I don't mind that, but it's just that his character acts like a whiny baby when he doesn't get his way and to me that's very off-putting no matter who it is. The main problem I have with that one is that the characters are so unbelievable. Some of them (like Gary's character) are far too rigid in their philosophies and come off as very one dimensional instead of more like real people. If you're looking for eroticism though, look no further than *The Fountainhead*.

I think you will really enjoy *Spellbound* Dan. It's a great film and really keeps you on the edge of your seat. That was the second film I saw at the Paramount this summer as part of a double feature with *Notorious* which I also loved. I had seen *Spellbound* many times before but to see it on the big screen it was even better. The only "problem" with the film is some of the rear projection work looks dated but really it's not that big a deal and was probably just more pronounced on a big screen. I'm a huge Salvador Dali fan and he designed a dream sequence in it that is really something. I'm planning on recording Random Harvest tonight since you and Theresa have raved about and I'm looking forward to watching it. I aslo saw Ronald Colman in *Talk of the Town* at the Paramount this summer which is a light hearted romantic comedy and he was very good in it.

Joel McCrea often joked that nearly every script he got already had Gary's fingerprints on it. He and Gary were friends and Joel often played parts that Gary passed on. They had a similar build (same height, blue eyes) and although some people said they looked alike facially, I don't see that particular resemblance. Joel often played good guys and was a good actor. My fave movie of his is *The More the Merrier* with Jean Arthur. It's a very funny screwball romatic comedy that was a big hit. Back on Fay Wray's birthday I recorded *The Most Dangerous Game* and he was also in that. I'm looking forward to watching it as it sounds like a really good thriller and I like both him and Fay Wray. He was married only once to actress Frances Dee, who starred opposite Gary in *Souls at Sea*. They were married for 57 years until his death in 1990.

Hi John! I'm sure you weren't doing anything wrong. It has been terrible here since they "upgrade" the website. Just a week or so ago it was fixed enough so that you could post but now there are other problems with posts disappearing and then reappearing. I've seen a lot of people joking that we must have stumbled into the Twilight Zone. I figured you've probably just been busy with the CoopHemingway doc. Any news on that by the way?

I figured the woman was probably one of his wives. It may sound shallow but I just don't think I could marry someone that looked like Santa Claus!

This message board is gonna drive me crazy!!! I posted earlier this morning and now it's gone. Hopefully it will come back from the Twilight Zone at some point. Anyway here's something I found on another thread that I thought I would post here. It's from the administrator explaining exactly what movies TCM has access too. I know we've talked about this before but sometimes I forget exactly who owns what movies, so here's a refresher. Below is an explanation of the films in our library. The Turner library holdings consist of the pre-1986 MGM library, the pre-1949 Warner Brothers library, and the entire RKO library. Turner Entertainment Co. Film Library: 1,707 MGM Feature Films (1915-1986) 854 Warner Bros. Feature Films (1924-1949) 787 RKO Feature Films (1929-1958) 948 MGM Short Subjects 320 MGM Cartoons 1,450 Warner Bros. Short Subjects 335 Warner Bros. Cartoons 51 RKO Short Subjects Universal controls its own films, plus the pre-1949 Paramount talkies. Paramount controls its own films from 1949 to the present, and all of its silent features. Warner Brothers controls its own films from 1949 to the present, plus some independently produced films. 20th Century Fox controls its own films, plus the libraries of its pre-1935 corporate elements, the Fox Film Corporation and 20th Century Pictures, Inc. The newly-created corporate entity Sony/MGM probably controls both the entire Columbia/Tristar library and the MGM library from 1986 to the present. United Artists is a bit difficult to determine, because they distributed independent films in addition to producing their own films. I'm guessing that they have the rights to the latter, and not the former. Before merging with MGM in 1979, they controlled the pre-1949 Warners Brothers library.

*I think Coop and Fay make a wonderful couple.* I do too. It's strange how they didn't really take off though with audiences like say the pairing between William Powell and Myrna Loy. Fay and Gary were both young, (at the time when movies were transitioning into sound they were also going with a youth movement) attractive, and good actors. I've only seen *One Sunday Afternoon* though and while it's a good movie, they aren't coupled together in that one like they were in their three previous films. Alas, the silents they made are considered lost and while *The Texan* (their first talkie together) is out there it has yet to be released.

I have also noticed that posts can go missing. I posted something this morning in the Gary Cooper fans thread and now it's gone. I have not tried to edit it or anything. It was there and now it's gone. This is really becoming annoying. I love this message board but it's turned into a nightmare to use.

Well good luck with *The Foutainhead*. I haven't been able to get all the way through it yet. The last time I made it about 3/4 of the way through and just couldn't take any more. I found all the characters to be unlikeable (even Gary which I thought was impossible) and the dialogue trite. I know it definitely has a fan base but I'm not in it. However, from a chick's point of view it's worth it just b/c Gary looks fantastic in it. The scene where he's working in the quarry and the bedroom scenes with Patricia Neal are super steamy. I much preferred *Cloak and Dagger*; better characters, better dialogue, and good storyline. To each his own though . Now back to *Suspicion*, Joan definitely did a good job but the whole time I was watching it I kept waiting for the big "Oscar" moment and just never saw it. She and Cary Grant were both very good, I think he did a better job actually, but there were no Oscar worthy performances. It reminded me of *Sorry, Wrong Number* with Stanwyck in which she plays an invalid who suspects someone is trying to kill her. Now while I was watching that I was on the edge of my seat, just as nervous as she was and I didn't really feel that as much while watching *Suspicion*. When I first learned that Stanwyck was nominated for an Oscar for '41 I assumed it was for *Meet John Doe* and I think she would have had a good chance of winning for that one. Her character starts off as a wise cracking ruthless newspaper woman just trying to make enough money to keep her family afloat. But over the course of the film we see her gradually change into a person with feelings and who tries to do right by the "John Does" and by John Doe (Gary) himself. The last scene where she's begging Gary not to jump rips my heart out every time I watch it. She's so sincere and believable in her intense love for this man. I better stop or I'll make myself cry - ha!

Here's a pic I found of Gary and Hemingway. I don't know what year it's from or who the chick is though.

I just watched *Suspicion* and while it was a good movie and Joan Fontaine did a fine job, it was in no way on Oscar worthy performance. I know Barbara Stanwyck was nominated that year as well for *Ball of Fire* but I think her performance in *Meet John Doe* was more worthy of a nomination and was a better performance than Joan's.

I don't know what Gary and Hawks relationship was like after High Noon (probably not good) but I know that earlier they were good friends and Gary was even Howard's best man at his wedding in 1941.

Those pics are great!!! I haven't seen most of them either. I'm sure glad I have a huge hard drive b/c I'm up to about 972 pics of him saved!!