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Cinesage, you are on the mark on this one! You should hear the enlisted's speak about sitting around with nothing to do, because even the funds needed to bring equiptment for maintenence isn't there! 12 Billion a month currently to Iraq; and the Iraq govt. has a surplus!

> {quote:title=sandykaypax wrote:}{quote} > People had less clothes back then because they didn't have modern conveniences like washers and dryers. Washing clothes was an all-day affair. > > I love the high ceilings and big windows of old houses. > > Sandy K Good point, Sandy, though I would use the time consumed as an excuse of getting more clothes! Then I'd always have something clean. This house does have high ceilings, and beautiful, large windows; unfortunately, I will have to go on the search for leaded glass for the original was torn out years ago. The windows on the first floor are original counter-weight pulley sashes, and they still work wonderfully! The windows upstairs are authentically sized, but are now energy-efficient insulated vinyl. Major improvement. Once I get the boxes cleared, I will post some before and afters of this place inside. cc has offered to help me. Stay tuned!

Lafitte- Wow! ! ! I was just blogging to a friend about this day being a perfect day to loll on the porch ! ! ! I love most of Barber's work, (his *Adagio for Strings* always brings me to tears) and I will definately look this one up! *Knoxville, 1915*, w/Elenor Steber. Got it!

I would love to add to these posts, but with our market forces and our economy these days, I have to go to work for the sixth day this week. Catch you all later...

> {quote:title=JakeHolman wrote:}{quote} > The great Milton Friedman said it best..."There are no free lunches" > > Don't tell that to the Oil Companies or Abramoff! Milty's ideas had 14 years for improvement this last round: Congress with the 1994 Contract on America (6) and then added a GOP Executive branch to the mix (8). _It's failed_. Get over it, and get along with the other side, or get out of the way.

Dear MattHelm: If you are going to study history, then please use more sources than what you've shown here. Please don't misunderstand, but what you have just regurgitated is very much the sort of history that totalitarian regimes have done in the past; what this leader did was all terrible and turned out badly, and my leaders are the wonderful ones, and their ideas are the successes we truly enjoy. There are much better drinks out there than just Kool-aid.

Always thought this is a good choice for Labor Day weekend. The themes of the working man. It never ceases to amaze me how complicated this story and these lives are. Yet it is laid out simply with around this small neighborhood drama. It makes me wonder where I fit with my neighbors on my own street. We are our Brother's and Sister's keeper! Yet the strength of one individual can change the equation. Do you believe, as some other reviewers have suggested, that this is Kazan's apology for the Congressional hearings? Other reviewers have implied, that it is a declaration of the opposite: Kazan feels it is his "march to his own drummer" . . . . I am sure others here have sources that will enlighten us all.

> {quote:title=ask wrote:}{quote} > I thought I should mention that some people said that Franklin Delano Roosevelt was the greatest > president of all time. How is he so great? Roosevelt is not on Mt. Rushmore, broke the rule of only serving two terms by starting a third with Harry Truman, Rule made after his third term. >and created the nation's welfare system that is in place today giving people handouts who don't deserve it. People were starving in this great nation during the Great Depression. Govt is designed to create bureaucracies when there is ongoing need. Our War Department was not a permenent fixture; yet I don't hear opposition to the Pentagon from the right. Ever. FDR gave us that too. >So, again, what makes him so great? And don't say world war 2, if he hadn't done it someone else would have. Not the Republicans at the time; they were fractured and couldn't keep up their "America first" opposition after Pearl Harbor. It might undermine all the cozy business contacts with Germany. >Teddy Roosevelt was a conservationist but most people don't give him credit for preserving wildlife and forests just because he happened to be Republican. And he's on rushmore. So, are you suggesting Teddy wouldn't support drilling in ANWAR? Besides, Borglum started Mt Rushmore before FDR took office. And one more thing, Teddy Roosevelt LEFT the Republican Party when he realized they were not supporting his approach. The Republican'ts were Pro-Business interests even then. . . .

My favorite scene is newly wedded Judy Garland pouring coffee for Robert Walker in *The Clock*, and they know so little about each other, he has to silently suggest how many lumps of sugar. and Yes, it is a sweet moment!

> {quote:title=ccbaxter wrote:}{quote} > > {quote:title=laffite wrote:}{quote} > > I had to go back and look at that last cap and I see what you're referring to. If we're thinking of the same thing, more than a subtle spoiler, in my view. If I had chosen to include that and a couple of supporting caps it would have simply revealed too much about the ending. > > Okay, now I know we're thinking of the same thing. Someone send me a personal message explaining this one to me.

> {quote:title=redriver wrote:}{quote} > The "continuing story" concept is something TV does well. It was effective in HILL STREET BLUES, THE WEST WING and others. But it only works if you watch every episode. If not, it's a flat tire. I never manage to do this. I write myself notes, ask people to call me. It's just not a priority. Maybe someday I'll get Tivo, or whatever. Until then, I'll stick with movies. > > MAD MEN does sound like a good show. I, myself, am in advertising, though, I assure you, not on Madison Avenue! redriver, I would be interested in your comments on either of the subjects of this thread! I hope you are a Tom and not a Dan.

I will try to stay up for *Blockheads* ! I enjoy wtching Billy Gilbert (big-game hunter) and the kid from Our Gang comedies. Every scene builds on the last wonderfully. Think of where this movie starts and the end scene, its priceless.

> {quote:title=CelluloidKid wrote:}{quote} > What is is funny is that in "Hot Topics" I posted an article which compared "Mad Men" W./"_Sweet Smell of Success_"! > > I may have watched 1 episode of _Mad Men_ & I would go W./the "_Sweet Smell of Success_" comparison than "_The Man In the Gray Flannel Suit_"! > > *Rocchi's Retro Rental: Mad Men and Bad Men......Sweet Smell of Success (1957)* > > http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=8121343 Thanks CK! I have been in the process of moving, and just now getting back in the swing of things on the net. I will check out your thread as well. It is even more fun to draw another almost non-sequitur subject from another forum into the thread. :-)

BUT, you know Gus- I have reread your post, and you bring up an observation about Don Draper/Tom Rath that hadn't occured to me, and I thought I was such an observational person! *Tom Rath* Loving but frustrated wife Cheats on her with serious repercussions and a past he can't shake Learns early in the Ad biz to play "in-between" and don't rile the bosses *Don Draper* Loving but frustrated wife Cheats on her but something in his past may have serious repercussions Learns early in the Ad biz to play the games and you'll succeed Please Gus, or anyone else, add to the character development...anything else?

> {quote:title=ccbaxter wrote:}{quote} > Thanks for posting the photo. The location has changed so much that I would never have recognized it. Time marches on! It's likely those stairs will never see another piano delivery (perhaps thankfully). Ha-ha! Thank goodness for that, cc. Especially since the road is up there too; although I think it was marked private. And no, I didn't climb them. But I think the view would've been great! And there is a plaque marking the stairs officially at the base of the second stair. To paraphrase the movie: don't remember exact words- Charlie Hall, playing a postman: Why didn't you go around and use the alley at the top of the hill ? Message was edited by: casablancalover

> {quote:title=CCerini wrote:}{quote} > In comparing the protagonists, I would think that Tom Rath could never have developed into a Draper, and I watch MM hoping that Don Draper will develop into a Rath. > > I didnt realize it, but I was told that MM's second season starts in 1962, two years after the previous episode. You would have a great time developing a screen play to fill in the back story there! > > --Gus Cerini Oh Gus! I have a new goal when I finish moving! Write *Mad Men - the Missing Years* ! Ha-ha! ! My posting will be sparse until Friday, when I'm reconnected to the internet at the new (old) home. I am not so sure about Don Draper, if he can find redemption. Weiner (show's creator) has added extra heavy baggage to his character. But then again, Tom Rath killed a young kid soldier for his coat. That is a cross to bear. And Tom tries to find some small part of redemption on Madison Avenue?!

cc: You are the greatest! and so is Fred! My photo is a little different from the Wax Eater. Here are the Steps in LosAngeles: Sorry, I'm still learning here; you have to click on the link.. Message was edited by: casablancalover (wax eater herself) Message was edited by: casablancalover Message was edited by: casablancalover

Glad to see you're here, FF! Her show was a delight and she was a stitch! Those early days of PBS, if she had a disaster on the set, it went ON! I wonder if they have some old episodes on their PBS Website- or You Tube?

If I were a actress in the day, I would check out the work of all the good scene painters, and see which one of them did portraits on the side. I guessing there were several who did just that. Pickfair's were the type of folk who had this fantastic residence in the Hills, yet the furniture inside were beautiful and faithful copies of antiques ! No fooling.... Message was edited by: casablancalover

Oh course, its Paulette. I'm sure she knew Rivera. It would be a great addition to my "Collections of One" things..... Ha-ha. I better buy a Powerball ticket; that's the only way I'd be able to afford that!

Your everyday, run of the mill, 6 foot woman. What gets me is how secret and inconspicuous can a six foot woman be? She was a remarkable presence, and she couldn't blend into the crowd. AND, A TERRIFIC COOK!

I've been reading _Nixonland_ and what you say is most certainly true! If we were more aware, our history and our present day may have been different. But what I find interesting about both takes on Madison Av Advertisers is the gullibility of the public and the cynicism of the professionals. Things we don't necessarily want to self-examine. Skepticism is in order, yet we don't seem to employ it. The point of the title *The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit*, is Tom Rath wasn't one of the Madison Av types (Mad Men), but someone on the outside looking in. In Mad Men, they buy into their personas, but you hope the conscience of Tom Rath will assert itself. Is anyone aware of Vance Packard and _The Hidden Persuaders_ ?

You know, I knew _you_ would know this, or know someone who does. When I take a break from the packing, I'll give it a try... :-) . Great site, BTW. Back here in MN there is a architectual critic who's written several books of the Minneapolis/St Paul area. It is a fascinating subject.

When you watch a movie that is contemporary in its view, like The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit, I think they have the advantage. It is not looking back in a fog. I love both. But I think with a running storyline, Mad Men can explore far more interesting promotions of the period, and create it own ties to history. I do not necessarily think hindsight is the advantage in storywriting. I wonder if Tom Rath would have eventually turn into a Don Draper character?

Which do you think represents Madison Av Ad men better? AND why..... MGFS- during the 50's and the emergence of television MM- television is the medium