casablancalover
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*Geez, I go to bed early one night, and the kids stay up late and fight in the family room! I wake up to find a broken lamp. Hey, what's the flag doing in here!?*
Okay, yes, Mollett's character displays universal concepts the audience understands and accepts, and not because it is urban legend. You work with urban legend concepts for horror and sci fi stories. Mollett's character rings true for we do know of people like this, and the less than crystal-cut way he presents his arguments make him even more believable. Who hasn't had their Thanksgiving dinner ruined by someone like Mollett?
Can we get back to the motivations of the protagonists, besides want to punch antagonists in the face? Although, I do admire the way Al Stephenson handles the SeeBee's loan application.and finds he has to stand up for him and G I Bill. Yes, Mr. Milton...
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Now, that's what I call wake up music! Thanks, Frank.
I like this version, and Katrina and the Waves..
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Fun is fun, but I need my rest. I need to dream and love.
I lay quietly in the shadows, close my eyes and wait for the beautiful, fresh morning when all starts anew...
Sweet sleep promises my heart, my dreams are not in vain:
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I don't get it.. ? Boone City is in Illinois? I kept thinking it was a fictional place around Kansas/Nebraska, Corn Belt Building and Loan, and all. I will look up where Ray Teal hails from..
Remind me to tell you where Since You Went Away is suggested to be based...
Edited by: casablancalover on Aug 1, 2011 9:42 PM
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> Elwood: *Illinois Nazis.*
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> Jake: *I hate Illinois Nazis.*
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Dan Aykroyd, John Belushi
The Blues Brothers
(1980)
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>Dargo wrote: Yep Casa. Did you always get the impression, like I did, that Mollet "just might've" been in attendance inside the old Madison Square Garden on February 20, 1939 in order to listen to a few "stirring speeches" and maybe "raise a hand (palm out, or course) in cheer" ?
Humm, a reference to the super-patriotic (their self-proclaimed) German American Bund? Actually, I thought his comments, and his tract he was pointing to, was from one of those groups that sprang up like dandelions after the war, and were precursors to The John Birch and Ripon societies, strictly anti-communist. Mollett reminded me more of them. When the war ended, the industries were losing arms and supplies orders, and the Anti-Communist push was on to re-arm for they were the true enemy.
But it's past Rob Stephenson's bedtime, and when you combine Atomic power with jet propulsion, you know what can happen! ;-)
Edited by: casablancalover on Aug 1, 2011 9:49 PM, for the name is Mollett, according to imdb.com
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*Finance posted:*
*Vietnam or any other war cannot be analogized to WW II, with regard to the way the war years overwhelming affected everyone and everything, and with regard to the way it had the full support of the American public.*
Well, everyone but Mr Mollet (Ray Teal).
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Hopefully, Caro1lyn, you're sleeping in!
The line is from Now, Voyager (1942). Great movie. I have favorites from that one too...
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We are discussing The Best Years of Our Lives...
The differences on society affected by war, no matter which war, doesn't change, for war represents chaos and loss of men. The adjustments for the returning service personnel is still an uphill climb. It's like what March says:
"Last year it was kill Japs. This year it is make money."
It is not an easy adjustment. Even when there is support, it is not always immediately the most helpful. I think of Homer Parrish; he is so at ease and comfortable with his hooks with strangers, yet with his family and his sweetheart, Wilma, it is a different story. I think it is because strangers didn't know him before; his family and girl remember him as he was. So does Homer, and that is what the man he is now must square himself with when he returns home. His life has been changed, but not everything has changed as a result.
All of us go through adjustment periods in our lives. They may be cataclysmic on a society like war, or it may be of a more personal nature. It is not the best attitude to try to compete these experiences with one another. Each one will have profound and long-lasting effects on those involved.
Each of these men have a vision what they want to return to after the war. Some are not fully realized, but each one has to find his dream again. I never noticed that before. All of them are changed by war, and these changes don't alter their dreams as much, but it does seem to alter their viewpoints. What they want to do when they return is realized, and for me watching, that is the happy ending. Each one returns to society more connected to one another in their own way..
Al Stevenson returns to the bank, but now fights for the little guy in the small loans department.
Homer fulfills his dream of keeping the promise to his Wilma, but with the greater understanding that she has accepted him more than he himself, and as he faces the fear of her rejection, he realizes the walls that were between them were his creation, not hers.
Fred's dream was the simplest, yet had the most difficult route for he was living illusions of who Marie was and who he was. He wounds were psychic, and harder to explain or understand. He needed Peggy, and he needed to believe in himself again.
Edited by: casablancalover on Aug 1, 2011 12:22 AM
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>*That Night Train's a mean wine.*
John Belushi
Blues Brothers
(1980)
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Ah, Mighty Joe Young..
I have one more couplet from The Blues Brothers:
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A feature of songwriter Jimmy Webb this morning on TV reminds me that two of my favorites are in his songbook. What an artist:
Glen Campbell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTfwcLdP5Xk
Art Garfunkel:
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>slaytonf posted:
>Guess? Or hope? Don't forget she was making good money before Fred came home, and she don't need no man to take care of her. She's the most realistic and practical person in the whole movie. What's to say she doesn't hunt down and nail Peggy's rich beau? He seems to be more her type. No need to think she's a self-destructive person just because she and Fred made a mistake in the rush of wartime.
Ha! Women like Marie will almost always end up on top. If the $$ is the goal, who needs the love? Leave that to silly romantics like Peggy and Fred. I bet she goes after Woody Merrill in short order. Do you think she can snow old Woody's pop?
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*Wyler is showing two views of marriage.". Exactly. He's showing the somewhat naive viewpoint of Peggy's(no offense to Peggy here, as she is a rather mature young lady for her years), and he's showing the more experienced and wiser viewpoint of Milly and Al's.*
Well, marry in haste, repent in leisure. The naive viewpoint belong to Fred and Marie. Hot blaze, then later they learn whom they've really married.
Remember, later in the Drug store, Fred offers to Homer the advice to get married! Not that Fred believes it is the be-all to be married, but if you must love the person. It is sort of a redemptive moment for Fred too. He is shedding his naivete about marriage. He just can't pick a pretty girl out of a crowd and expect to be happy.
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The scene that gets me is Fred Derry's dad reading Capt Derry citation from Gen. Dolittle. That tears me up.
The B-17 shot is so memorable. Gregg Toland, brings the derelict ship alive with his shots of the engines in start up, and that winning score of Freidhofer's. What do you think Fred is really thinking about up in the nose of the plane?
Edited by: casablancalover on Jul 30, 2011 10:21 PM
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Be careful of all or nothing thinking, Dargo. Milly's words sort of bother me, for her quote:
>.. How many times have I told you I hated you, and believed it with my whole heart...
I can understand anger with people, but hatred? And for Peggy never to have witness this rows between mom and dad? What a minute; I think they were laying it on mighty thick. Or maybe I just understand the power of words myself, and while I could be totally frustrated with a situation, even while going through a divorce, I couldn't ignite a total situation to a meltdown with words of hate.
I wouldn't say Peggy is naive about what she feels, but what she thinks she must do to help Fred. Their handling of what they feel is quite amazing and mature in itself, considering nowadays couples are watching movies like Knocked Up and Friends With Benefits.
Then again, Al and Milly are heading for more challenges, if Al's drinking is any indication.
While my name is Casablancalover, this movie has it all for me too. I love this incredible experience.
I like how Virginia Mayo could be so beautiful, yet undesirable. Not that there's anything wrong with dressing up so fetchingly..
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Blues Brothers, a couple of favorites:
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>*It's one hundred and six miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark. . . and we're wearing sunglasses.*
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>*Hit it.*
Dan Aykroyd, John Belushi
The Blues Brothers
(1980)
h5. Wow, 31 years ago..
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Rather than use the space here we can continue the discussion on The Best Years of Our Lives Thread..
http://forums.tcm.com/post!reply.jspa?messageID=8411388
The scene you post is missing an important element, a bridge of ideas of how different are their viewpoints.
Here is the scene that unites the two arguments in the discussion.. continuing where I left off in my quotes:
>Al Stephenson: *...For as you're possessed of all the wisdom of the ages,you can see into the secret recesses of his innermost soul!*
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>Peggy: *I can see because I love him!*
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>Al: *So you're going to break this marriage up? Have you decided yet of how you're going to do it? With an ax?!*
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>Peggy: *It's none of your business how I'm going to do it! You've forgotten what it's like to be in love!*
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>Al: *Hear that, Milly? I'm so old and decrepit, I've forgotten how it feels to want somebody, desperately.*
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>Milly: *Peggy didn't mean that, (to Peggy) did you, darling..*
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>Peggy: *No... I don't know what I _do_ mean... It's just that, everything has been so perfect for you. You loved each other, and you got married in a big Church, and you honeymooned in the south of France. and.. you've never had any trouble of any kind. So how can you possibly understand how it is with Fred and me?*
Then the clip you post will join it together..
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Edited by: casablancalover on Jul 30, 2011 9:09 PM
Edited by: casablancalover on Jul 30, 2011 9:11 PM because it is in two different rooms to gather this information
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This a carryover from the Favorite Quotes thread, responding to Dargo..
http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?threadID=122519&tstart=0
h5. A very fine scene, indeed
It is a very complicated scene, Dargo. Director Wyler had to let Peggy (Wright), Milly (Loy) and Al (March) have their say about it. While Milly and Al set the record straight about their relationship, they need to let Peggy see things for herself. The scene you show is not the complete statement either. Admittedly, they cannot discount Peggy's (Wright) feelings for Fred Derry (Dana Andrews), and the story has already shown the viewer that Peggy's suppositions about Fred and Marie's (Virginia Mayo) marriage are pretty accurate. It's a fine, painful mess. Wyler is showing two views of marriage.
Maybe the mentioning of Al and Milly's nuptials give weight to the argument that the basis of love and devotion and the planning of their lives will help them weather the storms that is running the Derry marriage onto the rocks.\
Edited by: casablancalover on Jul 30, 2011 9:16 PM for the link to original thread
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>*You don't know him. You don't know anything about what's inside him. Neither does she, his wife. That's probably what she thought when she married him... A smooth operator with money in his pockets. But now he isn't smooth any longer, and she's lost interest in him.*
Theresa Wright
The Best Years of Our Lives
(1946)
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>*If you build it, he will come.*
>*Ease his pain.*
>*Go the distance.*
>*It was you...*
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>*No, Ray, it was you.*
Field of Dreams
(1989)
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Field of Dreams:
Edited by: casablancalover on Jul 30, 2011 8:47 AM
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>*...It matters not what a man sees, for God can see into a man's heart...*
Charles Laughton
Rembrandt
(1936)
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The Best Years of Our Lives
in General Discussions
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Someone wrote in the Quotes thread that they think the setting is Cincinnati.
Wow. Cincy's in the Cornbelt? I checked the imdb.com too and saw that factoid. That town would not have occurred to me. Of course I have the perspective of 50 years later. The location is masked well. You learn more if you find where the author or screenwriter hails from.
The writer, MacKinlay Kantor, was from Iowa. Yeah, watching it so many times, it feels like Des Moine or Sioux City. Sioux City could be a hot town.