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On 8/21/2021 at 9:44 AM, TopBilled said:
I see we have some strong feelings about Lucille Ball, which is rather interesting.
Though my guess is that poster Hibi might be more tolerant of this selection if some of his favorites (like Joan Bennett) had already been chosen.
As for Lucy being a B-list actress, well the B-films came during an early phase of her career at RKO. When she moved over to MGM she became an A-list actress. She reverted back to lower budget fare when she signed with Columbia later, but she was approaching 40 at that point and by 1950, most actresses her generation were finding the pickings slim on the big screen, which is why they transitioned to television.
Re: Lucy's television legacy, that is indisputable. But we should mention that if it wasn't for her success in motion pictures during the late 30s and 40s, she never would have headlined her own radio sitcom (My Favorite Husband) and that would not have led to the high-profile projects that followed on the small screen (I Love Lucy, The Lucy Show, Here's Lucy and Life with Lucy, as well as countless TV specials over the years).
I don't think TCM is selecting Lucy as Star of the Month to honor her television work, or else they would be running episodes of her various series. They are highlighting her motion picture legacy, but tying it into her well-known work on TV. There's nothing wrong with that. They will probably do the same for Angela Lansbury when Murder She Wrote hits a milestone anniversary.
What's wrong with that is they have done it 3 times. (SOTM) I have no problem with her films being shown. But 3 SOTMs are excessive. Her film career doesn't warrant that. It gives the impression that Lucy was a big film star. She just wasn't. She had a good run and even appeared in A films, but TCM is providing a spotlight that just wasn't there during her film career. TCM should be providing a spotlight on other stars who have yet to appear on SOTMs, which they rarely do. Lucy was a HUGE television star and is still very popular with the public. No denying that.
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On 8/21/2021 at 7:57 PM, cinemaman said:
Lucille Ball has received some high honors such as The Kennedy Center , won an Emmy and Golden Globe. The Nielsen Ratings and the people loved her television shows. Nicole Kidman is going to do an biopic on Lucille Ball . Here is a list of stars who worked with Lucille Ball. Fred Astaire Ginger Rogers Randolph Scott Betty Grable Eve Arden Katharine Hepburn Adolph Menjou James Mason Henry Fonda Bob Hope Marilyn Maxwell William Holden George Sanders Charles Coburn Spencer Tracy
Just because she's popular doesn't means she qualifies for THREE SOTM tributes! Not when so many other WORTHY actors and actresses are still waiting for one reason or another. Her film career wasn't that great. Mostly programmers and B films.
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On 8/21/2021 at 6:47 PM, DougieB said:
Sorry. I can't let it pass. You seriously think Dorothy Dandridge has only a hundred fans? I think you're letting your passion for the Bennett sisters, whom you frequently introduce into discussions about a new Star of the Month nominee, carry you away. I agree with you about their worthiness, but give me a break. I'd been looking forward to seeing a couple of those Dandridge movies for over 25 years, and I doubt I was alone. You can be a Bennett champion, and you're a good one, without knocking an actress who would have loved to be in enough movies to fulfill your minimum requirement, but wasn't allowed to because of her race, pure and simple.
Because she was a victim of racism (who wasn't back then?) doesn't mean she qualifies for SOTM status. She only made a handful of films. Just a couple of those were A films. They showed how many films? 12? They had to scrape the bottom of the barrel and show some Jungle Princess serial she was in. I'm all for showing her films. A SUTS day would be appropriate. But she doesn't qualify for SOTM status for what films she MIGHT have appeared in!
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45 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
no, it literally was a rule of DAN CURTIS'S that he only relaxed for special events and sweeps week. numerous actors and writers have discussed it. 5 actors per episode. period.
WEIRD? WHY? Budget?
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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
I bet you anything that THE MRS JOHNSON SOCK PUPPET was due to DAN CURTIS’s ONLY FIVE ACTORS PER SHOW RULE.
LOL. Was the Mrs. Johnson actress not available? Yeah it did seem like 5 or 6 actors was the limit!
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14 hours ago, Roy Cronin said:
Have you ever noticed how rare it was to have characters sit around a dining or breakfast table and eat like normal people?
I think very, very early on there was some breakfast table coffee chit-chat like on a traditional soap.
Was there even a real dining room in Collinwood; I can't remember.
I don't really remember there being one. If so, it was rarely used. (in the present day) There was a lot of talk about dinner and food prep though.
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16 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
THE BOARD FROM THE DARK SHADOWS BOARDGAME:
I bet that sells for a pretty penny with collectors......I never knew there was one.
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22 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
in retrospect, 1897 went on too long, had too many plot cul-de-sacs and too many unresolved issues. but damned if it wasn't compelling- and it was interesting the way ANGELIQUE developed layers as she was forced into helping people, which was admittedly not her strong suit.
I've said before that there was no (intentional) humor to be found in the plotlines of DARK SHADOWS, but damned if the (somewhat underwritten and not-fully explained) POSSESSION OF CHARITY TRASK by PANSY was a HOOT and I wish she'd been used more. I also 100% understand all the affection for NANCY BARRETT voiced in this thread. If this storyline was done again, she needed to have a much fuller, longer presence throughout it.
I remember Pansy. She was a fun character.
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On 8/20/2021 at 2:32 PM, scsu1975 said:
Sam went blind, courtesy of Angelique (as Cassandra) and was later struck and killed by Adam. His ghost returned for an episode or two. I can't believe he was married to Nancy Barrett. in real life. He was a decent actor, with a great voice - I suspect he did a lot of stage work.
I don't remember that at all. Thanks
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11 hours ago, TopBilled said:
I am sure Dorothy Dandridge fans appreciated her tribute.
All hundred of them. How many noteworthy films was she in? 3?
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2 hours ago, cinemaman said:
I'm a fan of Lucille Ball , she is a multi talented star ( act, sing and dance) I like her work with Henry Fonda and Bob Hope. Lucille turned out to be an great television executive , she helped to found Desilu Studios. Desilu Studios produced shows like The Untouchables, Mannix and Mission Impossible. All Star Trek fans owe a great deal to Lucille Ball, as she approved the concept for the show . Star Trek the Original Series was filmed at Desilu Studios. Lucille Ball was an iconic figure in the world of television.
TELEVISON YES. MOVIES NO.
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11 hours ago, TopBilled said:
I am glad that Lucille Ball is being honored again.
I do think that some people are fans of I Love Lucy and fans of Lucy Ricardo more than they are actually fans of Lucille Ball the actress or Lucille Ball the human being. But that's another topic!
I'm not .Lucille Ball was a B list actress. You could count the A list films she did on one hand.. She does NOT deserve a third go round as SOTM. It's only because of her tv show they are doing this. Enough with Lucy!
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But not in films. 3 times is ridiculous compared to those they've never even honored. (and can easily obtain their films like Gish and Davies!). But nothing beats the SOTM for Dorothy Dandridge.
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Just now, King Rat said:
Joe Haskell was dropped while Nicholas Blair was the main villain. Angelique, then a vampire under Nicholas Blair's control, bit Joe. IIRC, Julia took him off to a sanatorium and he never returned to the story. I kept waiting for Joel Crothers to turn up in the 1897 story, but he didn't. That's because Crothers had taken a job on The Secret Storm, where he had a much larger role in the story.
LOL. I knew he appeared on other soaps after Dark Shadows. I wonder if he was dropped or just found a better job. He was on some West Coast soap too. Forget which one. Maybe he went to the sanitorium during contract negotiations and they couldn't agree to terms, so he didn't come back!
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Does anyone have characters/actors they wished stayed with the show? I wish Maggie's father, Sam, had stayed on the show. I don't think he returned after the 1790s flashback. He was very believable as a painter. But he wasn't a major player on the show like some others.
When did Joe Haskell get dropped?
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What was going on in the 1840 storyline, just generally? I only have vague memories of it. Werewolves? Frid played another character, right? Was Grayson Hall in that?
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2 hours ago, TopBilled said:
It's the third time for Lucy.
From the Frequency of Honorees thread:
FOUR TIMES
listed alphabetically
Doris Day: 1995, 2003, 2012, 2021
Greta Garbo: 1994, 2002, 2005, 2019THREE TIMES
listed alphabetically
Lucille Ball: 1998, 2006, 2021
Joan Crawford: 1998, 2002, 2014
Bette Davis: 1999, 2006, 2019
Olivia De Havilland: 1998, 2003, 2016
Glenn Ford: 1994, 2001, 2019
Clark Gable: 1995, 2004, 2017That's really RIDICULOUS then!
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22 minutes ago, King Rat said:
I think that people expected Agnes to get a career award, just as people expected Lauren Bacall to get a career award when she lost to Juliette Binoche. For some reason, Oscar has looked more favorably on giving career awards to supporting actors rather than to supporting actresses. Gladys Cooper is, as you say, along for the ride. Grayson is certainly memorable in Iguana, but it isn't the largest part and the film didn't get major nominations. Edith Evans has a larger role in The Chalk Garden, and she is, as usual, outstanding, though the role isn't that different from other roles she has played. Lila Kedrova is a lot of fun, and Zorba was up for the major awards.
You may have to be in the right mood to watch either Zorba the Greek or The Chalk Garden, but I am a fan of both. They are well-made and well-acted.
Yes, this is true. Agnes always came up a loser. Same with Thelma Ritter.
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27 minutes ago, wbogacz said:
The caps were to emphasize immediacy, since Night Gallery is a 1/2 hour show. That episode is over.
Well, did she scream or not????
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36 minutes ago, King Rat said:
By the way, I saw The Boys in the Band off-Broadway with a replacement cast that included Don Briscoe as Donald (the intellectual one) and Christopher Bernau as Larry, the good-looking gotta-sleep-with-everyone guy. This was after Don Briscoe had started playing the werewolf and (I think) before Chris Bernau was cast as Philip Todd in the Leviathan story. Both were excellent, much better than the original actors in the play who were also in the movie version. I thought Frederick Crews was badly miscast as Donald, not conveying much in the way of intellect, and Keith Prentice wasn't in the same class as Bernau, who would go on to star in Guiding Light for a number of years. Prentice would be cast in the last Dark Shadows story.
Weird they both wound up on Dark Shadows.
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32 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
GRAYSON looks GREAT THOUGH:
Yes, but what is she thinking?
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32 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
Of those nominees, I have not seen ZORBA or THE CHALK GARDEN, although I have come across it on a streaming service and keep meaning to check it out.
GLADYS COOPER was very much along for the ride, although she's great in MY FAIR LADY; I am not a SWEET CHARLOTTE fan and it surprises me MOOREHEAD was seen as the favorite; and I think GRAYSON HALL is wonderful in IGUANA- but the character doesn't have a resolution scene and steps out of the plot entirely before the last act, so it's hard to see it being a FULLY ROUNDED "OSCAR" ROLE.
It's surprising the MFL rollout didnt bag any supporting actor/actress wins (both were nominated) Ustinov was also an upset. Holloway had a better part than Cooper though, but didnt win.
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37 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
LILA KEDROVA in ZORBA THE GREEK. it was an UPSET.
No kidding!
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A lot of showings of The Chase on TCM lately.
I'm sorry but I just NEED to talk about DARK SHADOWS
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How weird!