Hibi
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On the subject of Such Good Friends, I wish TCM would interview Dyan Cannon. I've always thought she was an underappreciated actress and she's starred in some interesting films and worked with big stars. Would think she'd have some interesting stories to tell. Wish TCM would revive that show (and not just at the Festival).
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Another Old Hollywood trying to be hip movie of the 60s. (Skidoo) The cast and plot alone would've been enough to keep people away. LOL.
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Has Trash been released???
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34 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
pretty great choice for underground, maybe a double feature with CANDY (also 1968?)
I've always wanted to see his "Such Good Friends" too. Another one of his that's fallen through the cracks. It actually got some good reviews from N.Y. critics.
I remember adds for Skidoo and it looked SO BAD.
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26 minutes ago, txfilmfan said:
They've shown it 3 times, per MovieCollectorOH's list. Last time was in 2014. If you can make it to the end, more power to you!
WOW. I may have to record it next round.
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17 minutes ago, Moe Howard said:
Or it's bait.
True.
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29 minutes ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
Now that I've heard all this about it, I will DEFINITELY try to watch it!
Personally, I have always been REALLY CURIOUS about SKIDOO (1968) which was one of OTTO'S last films; it's legendarily AWFUL.
He should have stuck with playing MR. FREEZE.
Yes, I've never seen Skidoo! LOL. I think TCM may have shown it once.
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15 hours ago, Moe Howard said:
Well she’s reading another book the next time she runs into Gere. Although this time he doesn’t say he’d seen the movie.....
She catches up on her reading while waiting to be picked up.....
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1 hour ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
OTTO PREMINGER was always an uneven director, even at his best, but as he got older things got a little out of hand.
(although, please don't hurt me, I like BUNNY LAKE.)
I don't think he can be blamed entirely for the mess of Junie Moon, the script is BAD. Editing choices, YES!
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1 hour ago, CinemaInternational said:
That's the thing with the scene. It was grotesque, and a long scene to boot. One would imagine that the Liza character would have wanted to get away from him after he wanted her to remove her clothes in a cemetery, that she would be in on the fact that her date was a psycho. By actually staying around him after the graveyard incident, , it makes her character seem a bit dim. And because we don't know anything else about her "date", we lack any motivation as to why he is what he is.
Incidently, Robert Moore, in addition to being a Broadway director, directed 3 Neal Simon adaptations in the late 70s, Murder by Death, The Cheap Detective, and Chapter Two (where TV's Rhoda, his onetime "date", Valerie Harper, had a supporting part)
Yes, he was a very in demand director on Broadway for many years.......
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1 hour ago, CinemaInternational said:
That's the thing with the scene. It was grotesque, and a long scene to boot. One would imagine that the Liza character would have wanted to get away from him after he wanted her to remove her clothes in a cemetery, that she would be in on the fact that her date was a psycho. By actually staying around him after the graveyard incident, , it makes her character seem a bit dim. And because we don't know anything else about her "date", we lack any motivation as to why he is what he is.
Incidently, Robert Moore, in addition to being a Broadway director, directed 3 Neal Simon adaptations in the late 70s, Murder by Death, The Cheap Detective, and Chapter Two (where TV's Rhoda, his onetime "date", Valerie Harper, had a supporting part)
Yep. The whole thing doesnt make a lot of sense. Liza doesn't even know the guy, yet strips because he asks her to? I don't recall how it was handled in the book, it was probably just mentioned by the character. The Ken Howard flashback is even more bizarre. Too many strange scenes in the film that are just strange to be strange. They dont really add to the film. The whole thing with Ken wandering around was boring and could've been cut or trimmed. Too many long stretches in the film that dont really add anything. Then the film really goes off kilter when they decide to go on vacation! (dont remember if that was in the book or not, but seems very movieish)
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I lifted this from the NYT website. I agree with it.
Otto Preminger's "Tell Me That You Love Me, Junie Moon," which opened yesterday at the Beekman Theater, is about three gallant, self-styled "freaks" who set up housekeeping together in a broken-down bungalow that comes complete with a banyan tree in the backyard, a hoot owl in the banyan tree, a Peeping Tom next door, and a rich, spooky landlady who dresses like a World War I ace in leather helmet, leather jacket, tinted goggles and long, flowing scarf.Half of the face of Junie Moon (Liza Minnelli) has looked like Lon Chaney's Phantom of the Opera (or, at least, it is supposed to look that way) ever since a traveling salesman topped off their date by knocking Junie Moon into the mud and then pouring battery acid over her. Arthur (Ken Howard) is tall, blond and very handsome, but aside from the fact that he has an occasional seizure and sort of lopes when he walks, you'd hardly know that he suffers from a progressive neurological disorder that is turning his body into mush.In some ways the most pathetic member of the trio, perhaps because he seems the most resolutely self-contained, is Warren (Robert Moore), a red-bearded, barrel-chested homosexual who likes to make brownies and to use words like "divine" to describe things on the order of swimming trunks. Warren has been confined to a wheel-chair ever since he was 17 when, during a hunting trip, he made a pass at a friend who promptly shot him in the spine.In the course of Marjorie Kellog's tiny, moving novel, Junie Moon, Arthur and Warren, abandoned by their families, their friends and, to a large extent, the world, discover self and love so quietly and unobtrusively that the reader feels he has made the discovery himself. In the film, based on a screenplay by Miss Kellogg, there is never any doubt that the process of discovery is being led by Preminger.Much like one of the dispassionate doctors in Junie Moon's state hospital, who displays his patients to visiting medical men without ever listening to the patients' complaints, Preminger displays his characters without ever revealing them, or letting them reveal themselves. In "Junie Moon," the people never seem more important than the things Preminger places around them, like the hoot owl and the scroungy old dog Arthur befriends, or more important than the theatrical lighting, which makes real locations look like studio backdrops, and the clever techniques (flashback scenes are printed from unsqueezed anamorphic footage).This sense of display, which is not to be confused with visual spectacle, works quite well in movies of melodramatic event ("Hurry Sundown," "In Harm's Way," "Anatomy of a Murder"), but it is completely inappropriate for movies dealing with such private emotions as loneliness, embarrassment and suddenly recognized friendship. These things are difficult to see when you look at them directly; they have to be discovered out of the corner of the eye.Preminger doesn't direct movies as much as he makes frontal assaults on them. It's no accident that the most vivid moments in "Junie moon" are either the most cruel or the most bizarre, not because Preminger is cruel and bizarre, but because they fit into his melodramatic view of things. Junie Moon, shivering and feeling slightly silly, being forced to do a strip tease in a cemetery, in the dead of night, for a kinky boyfriend, while the soundtrack alternates between delicate Bach and something that sounds like old Stan Kenton.If anything, however, Preminger has been too sparing of our feelings. Miss Minnelli's Junie Moon is an exuberant, appealing misfit, but she really doesn't look very badly mangled (at one point in the novel Miss Kellogg describes her nose as a trench). Ken Howard's Arthur is so nice and healthy, if a bit shy, I couldn't believe he suffered from anything worse than a bad charley horse. By softening these edges, Preminger has, ironically, denied his characters the terror that is their right, and the affection that is ours.The most appealing person in the film is a beautifully commonplace fishmonger, played by James Coco, an aging bachelor who befriends Junie Moon and her friends and, much to his own surprise, falls in love with the very odd girl. I also liked Moore, who speaks his lines (fast, theatrically) like a director of Broadway comedies, which he is "Promises, Promises," "The Last of the Red Hot Lovers")."Tell Me That You Love Me, Junie Moon" is not an unintelligent film, but it is so cool and ordinary that it almost made me nostalgic for "Skidoo," which was epically bad but the obvious work of a brazenly gifted director.
A version of this article appears in print on July 2, 1970 of the National edition with the headline: Screen: 'Junie Moon' at the Beekman:Liza Minnelli Stars in Preminger Film 3 Self-Styled 'Freaks' Set Up a Home. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe-
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16 hours ago, Moe Howard said:
Diane Keaton reading The Godfather in the bar when she meets Richard Gere. He says "I've seen the movie, "
Someone had a sense of humor.
Who reads a book in a bar??? That scene seemed so phony to me........
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Yes. I thought the book told the story better w/out all the violence in the film. I thought they overdid the sister thing with Tuesday Weld too. I don't remember her being so prominent in the book.
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1 minute ago, CinemaInternational said:
LOL!
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9 minutes ago, CinemaInternational said:
I knew that Junie Moon would get a polarized reception here. Its a really bizarre film, but I actually liked it when I saw it 3 years ago though I thought that the flashback to how Liza got scarred was pretty sadistic.
What was his motivation anyway? He likes to disfigure his first dates? The whole sequence was badly filmed and what he does comes out of nowhere.
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3 hours ago, Det Jim McLeod said:
Yes, one of the best episodes, a great twist ending.
Yes. A funny episode.
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6 hours ago, Det Jim McLeod said:
Tell Me That You Love Me Junie Moon (1970) TCM -6/10
A woman with a scarred face (Liza Minnelli), an epileptic (Ken Howard) and a gay paraplegic (Robert Moore) decide to move in together after meeting in the hospital.
Otto Preminger directed this interesting though uneven film, he seems to want to take advantage of the new permissiveness in films. It's a bit too long (112 min) and wavers between campy comedy and disturbing drama. The three leads help keep it afloat. Ann Revere returns to the screen here, playing a hospital social worker. Kay Thompson makes her last film appearance as a flighty landlord. Former football star Fred Williamson plays a muscular beach boy, he would later become a star in black action movies of the 1970s. James Coco has a good role as the owner of a local fish market who befriends the trio. I also liked the song "Old Devil Time" sung by folk singer Pete Seeger, who performs it on screen at the beginning.
THAT was Kay Thompson????? I missed most of the opening credits so didnt realize that. Or Ann Revere either! (I thought she looked familiar, similar to Colleen Dewhurst, but I knew it wasn't her) Thompson's character was ghastly and should've been cut ENTIRELY! The film could've benefited being cut to 90 mins. Really dragged in spots and the dialogue didn't help.
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4 hours ago, LornaHansonForbes said:
NICE SONG. CAN SOMEONE TELL LIZA THAT YOU DON'T HITCHHIKE ON TRAINS THOUGH?
God, this film stunk!!! I read the book when it was published a year or so before the film and liked it, but I never saw the film as it bombed and played off quickly. Can see why! Can't really blame Preminger that much. (Unless he's responsible for the clumsy flashbacks, but I guess he can be blamed for the static scenes and lighting) The screenwriter wrote the novel so can't blame Hollywood either. I had to FF through chunks of the film, especially the beach sequence (luckily wasnt watching it in real time, so could do so) Boy, Ken Howard was cute when he was young! But his body needed some work. (LOL)
What was with Pete Seeger bookending the film (I think that was him?) The music didnt fit the mod 60s music in the film itself.
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45 minutes ago, Dargo said:
Sounds to me Hibi that your feelings about this Bogart movie could pretty well be summed up by paraphrasing a line of his from another film:
"It's the stuff tedium is made of."
LOL. There are parts I like, but overall it's not a fav. The trick I guess is not caring about who did what....
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1 minute ago, cody1949 said:
Saw it this morning on On Demand. Not as bad as the dealer print I had for years..
Well, that's good. Surprised to hear there are worse prints!
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2 hours ago, jamesjazzguitar said:
I've explained the plot of The Big Sleep movie at this forum. To me it really isn't that complicated (of course this is the film I have seen the most, both the pre-release version and the final, post-war one). What part can't you figure out? E.g. who killed who?
No, I have a hard time keeping the characters straight as they are just talked about. At this point, I don't really care anymore! LOL. Have seen it enough times over the years.
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I saw the film when it came out. Never since. Didn't like it. I'd read the book first and thought it was better.
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Yes, it's pretty boring because they have Bogie explain it all in a long recap.
Actor, Director, and Producer Norman Lloyd (1914-2021)
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Yes. Sadly, the public library here does not own ONE copy! And state libraries either except for one that does not circulate! Unbelievable! I will have to go through ILL, I guess.