FrankGrimes

Oh, pleeeeeeeeeeeeease, spare me! I would NEVER betray darling Rhett, my own true love. You just admitted that you love another man! You love Sir Ashley, not Rhett. Why must you women use men like this? No loyalty whatsoever. None.

Oh, for goodness sake! I am not a fraud! It's the movie I love the most, more than the book! Your most recent post on this hideous thread of yours was about Gone with the Wind, the BOOK, being named the second most popular BOOK by clueless Americans. For once, I agree with you, Americans have horrendous taste. Then, to my great dismay and horror, I find out that you don't consider it your second favorite book. You, a Southern belle of the most annoying degree, actually prefer British society BS. I'm shaken. My world is crashing down. To think I believed you actually loved Gone with the Wind with all your heart, yet you were only using it. You never loved Rhett. You love... Sir Pomp and Priss Whoever. DisGRACEful. You behave or we will seat you next to Mrs. Railton-Bell, who will talk your ear off about British society. I'd rather sit next to Mrs. Whosits because she probably won't rip my heart out like a certain phony Scarlett.

Howdy, Traitoress -- Miss Jackie knows my fondness for Mr. T's Vanity Fair---she, me and Sweet Tea discussed it (among other "trashy" British society novels). In case she doesn't know, it is my favorite novel---yes, even more so than GWTW, which was in fact influenced by Thackeray's "heroine". Thankfully, I missed that trashy discussion. Hi, Nat -- Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.....FRANK! I feel cheated. Little Miss Gone with the Wind is nothing but a fraud! I'm crestfallen. The next thing she's gonna say is that she's given up cupcakes.

Speak your blasphemy, Scarlett. Speak it! Put that red dress of yours on and wear plenty of rouge.

Hiya, Jackie! -- I think that there are plausible reasons why Ethan might hate his own son. I don't necessarily believe that Marty is related to Ethan, except through symbolism. That's where I'm also at. However, if Marty was the result of a brief and maybe meaningless affair to blow off steam, Ethan would be very ashamed. If Ethan had relations with another woman (especially if she was part-Indian), he would see that as a tremendous mistake. Marty would be the living, breathing evidence of that mistake, and it would be visible to one and all. He would take great pains to show he didn't care about Marty, because that might lead people to see the resemblance or realize what the true relationship was. It would show everyone how weak Ethan really was. I don't think that psychological slant is too far-fetched. He might very well hate the sight of Marty, or at least pretend to..... That was phenomenal! I think it's dead-on, too. If Ethan really is Marty's father, I believe it happened just as you laid out above. Ethan is what he hates and Marty is a reminder of such hate. And furthermore, I feel that even though this is not how the movie or book is written (with Ethan actually said to be Marty's father), his actions in the movie exactly fit that psychological profile. So, yes, I am 99% positive that Ford wanted us to think about Marty's parentage. I believe this to be true, as well. Ethan looks to be a father who abandoned his son when he was young and he's now re-entering his life. His anger and hate is projected onto Marty and others, but I believe it's actually he who he is truly attacking. Plus, is it so wrong to want to continue on this lively thread, with all you interesting and knowledgeable people? I think not. Please let us continue in our delusion, Fred, and forgive us our sins..... What's great about Dobbsy is that he's a pot-stirrer and, for the most part, a good-intentioned pot stirrer. I'm not sure there is a member on this board who likes a good ol' fashioned discussion and/or debate about most anything more so than Dobbsy. I think the reason he's even on this thread is because there has been some very good discussion going on around here. You're a big reason why. What's up, Pot Stirrin' Dobbsy -- I think that some of the best films are ones that give us so much to think about, and we go beyond the film and the plot and begin thinking about what happened to the characters before and after the movie. I'm definitely with you on that one. I do like my escapist fare, but I prefer psychological messes. I do that all the time with Treasure of the Sierra Madre. I wonder where Howard, Curtin, and Dobbs came from. What did they do before they got stuck in Tampico? How did the relationship between Curtin and Cody's widow work out? How did Howard like his life with the Indians? And I want to ask Curtin why he didn't tie up Dobbs during those last few nights? I didn't see you as a backstory kind of guy, Dobbsy. (We of the Dobbs family must be carefully watched.) Amen, brother. Ford certainly wanted us to wonder about Ethan, since that medal he gave Debbie was Mexican and not from the US Civil War, although Ethan didn't mention where he got it. And where did he get all those newly minted gold coins? I'm of the belief that Ethan earned some of his possessions and "earned" some of his possessions, like those freshly-minted Yankee coins. By the way, I liked your Marty skin tone presenation. You wisely pointed out that Ford made Marty much darker-toned when we first meet him. Granted, the lighting is on the dark side in that scene, but it's clear to me that Ford was letting us all know that Marty was more than 1/8 Cherokee... so they tell him.

Wow! That was a terrific read, B. I really enjoyed your heartfelt words. Your honesty is always so refreshing to me. You sure do wear your emotions on your sleeve. You wear them well, too.

You are bad, Kyle. How could you take advantage of such a kind, trusting, loving soul? I'd never do such a thing to another.

Wow, Frankie, really Gone with the Wind as #2 book? I'm a baby boomer, mid-century modern myself, and would not pick chose #1 or #2 as my faves. Wonder what that says about me? I think you are a woman who continues to seek out modern entertainment and enlightenment. Your tastes continue to migrate whereas others have settled down. By the way, I really like that about you. I think you are very open-minded. Your doors remain open. How about favorite book: those with a post graduate education are tied as both Lord of the Rings and To Kill a Mockingbird come in number two for them. >> To Kill a Mockingbird . Must be that post grad degree I never went for but the movie is ingrained in my DNA and I read the book when I was eleven and have loved it ever since. Whenever I see the words "To Kill a Mockingbird," I now think of you. I know how much you love the book and film. #2 favorite book ( a tie): The Civil War by Shelby Foote (way more historically accurate and much better read than *GWTW*) Though when I was young, I loved the book very much. But as I got older I still like the book, love the movie but would not rate either one as my #2 favorite. And I have Southern roots, go figure. The Parade's Gone By by Kevin Brownlow. So I guess that begs the question with me, which came first my love of history or my love of movies? My love of movies. I think. Documentarians tend to be historical creatures. They are researchers at heart. "Gone with the Wind" is a book many young girls look to read, especially those in the South. It's clearly an awe-inspiring book and film for young women.

Who have you upset that they are torturing you so? I have no idea. I'm very kind to everyone I come across. I don't think I have ever teased a single member on this board. I would start looking for the film fatale behind the curtain because someone is obviously pulling some strings for the so called Ms. Big. The question is who and why? I'm thinking you may be a suspect, Lynn, dear. I have not watched two of your film recommendations yet and I now have about 20 Ford films to watch yet they remain unwatched, including She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. You didn't throw a pot of hot coffee at wonderful Gloria did you? Perish the thought! I could never harm that sweet angel's halo. I tossed it in Coop's face. That could have sealed your doom. Especially with someone as honorable as Kyle. Kyle is honorable? Actually, I have to agree with you on that one. He's also very courageous. It takes guts to post Grace Kelly photos on the "Gary Cooper" thread. You poor devil. I've been labeled a devil before and I've also been told to go to him. I'm chasing my devilish tail.

Hey, Molo -- I like your film choices. The Searchers, Winchester '73, Pickup on South Street, all the Hitch, and how could I have not mentioned The Big Heat. Thanks. I'll probably be bumping GG's thread up tomorrow with my take on that Merton movie I'm watching tonight. Double G needs the bump. I taped the film but I didn't watch it. So goes my life. I'm going to try to watch A Woman's Secret coming up. So goes my life. I pretty much like visual films and psychological films I really like some psychological tension in my films. I'm into tortured romances and films about messed-up folks. Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Thompson Twins, INXS???? Hey throw in The Cure, New Order, Depeche Mode and a couple of bong hits and that pretty much describes my old gang on a Friday night...uh... "back in the day" ...as they say. I myself never inhaled of course! I didn't like Depeche Mode, The Cure, and New Order when they were hittin', but now I kind of like them, especially Depeche Mode. I was heavy into rap by the late-80s. You'd be hard-pressed to find too many white guys who were into rap as much as I was then. I pretty much kept up with the scene until the mid-90s and I've only dabbled in it since.

What's up, Kylefornia -- "You've got it all wrong, Kyle. Why in the world why I look to damage my favorites?" - FrankGrimes Just "tryin' that one on for size"? My devious plan is starting to unravel. Somebody knew exactly how to inflict the most pain. Do you know just which titles are represented below? It's scary. Pickup on South Street Scarlet Street (two of them) The 39 Steps Strangers on a Train The Wrong Man Kiss the Blood Off My Hands The Blue Gardenia I think either The Big Heat or Human Desire Journey Into Fear Hell's Half Acre The Night of the Hunter Diabolique Raw Deal Fallen Angel The Third Man Vertigo I don't know the "blonde girl" poster (02), the "girl that's bleeding from the mouth" poster (06), and the one "Mitchum" poster (15). "I'm very impressed that you know all of my favorites." Whaddya mean? All I know is that you'd give your left (or is it right?) pinky finger for a chance to see Moonfleet. Now that's quite a memory. I was rather pathetic in my longing last year, was I not? TCM hasn't been playing much Lang at all of late, but I haven't made a request at "Suggest a Movie" for months. I think it's time for me to make a return appearance because I have had a few films played: Stranger on the Third Floor, The Woman on the Beach, The Locket, and The File on Thelma Jordon to name some. No such luck with Lang, though. "You know, this actually is torture to me now." Somebody knows you too well. I'd be afraid. That somebody is probably who needs to be afraid because my tastes are rather shabby.

I think this is the last of the wreckage. Scarlet Street AND Pickup on South Street?! Those are my top two films noir. Somebody is very evil.

My goodness! I cannot believe all of these great posters were tampered with. I love The 39 Steps poster. That's superb! Has this ever happened to you before, Kyle? I'm actually bothered by this.

I'm very impressed that you know all of my favorites. Not many people know I like Henri-Georges Clouzot. You know, this actually is torture to me now.

I'm angry! These ARE my very favorites. This just happened today? Hmmmm.

It seems "the ghost" has taken up home in my "machine". Somehow he / she / it decided to mutilate some of my film poster files and cropped some of the images. Strangely, they all seem to be "someone's" favorites. Boy, that is one vengeful "ghost". You've got it all wrong, Kyle. Why in the world why I look to damage my favorites? Now if every single Gary Cooper and John Ford poster was destroyed, I'd look mighty guilty. But I'm an angel with this one. I'm thinking your "ghost" is living and is also my killer. Now who would want me dead and my favorite film posters damaged? Ohhh hell, that's a loooooooong list. I LOVE the "crops" you posted! Fantastic!

Hiya, Minya -- FrankG (may I call you Grimey?), Of course! thanks for the Public Enemy mention-one of the best bands ever. Wow! There's actually another person on this board who likes one of my favorite rap groups. Public Enemy #1. Bring the noise, girl. I like your trashy dame tastes. Touch of Evil works for me. Hey, Mickeeteeze -- I like anything by Brando, Marx Bros, James Whale, WC Fields, Orson Welles, Capra, Kubrick, Hitchcock, Coppola, Scorcese, Coens, and lots of others. Browning, Chaney, Flynn, Mitchum, etc..... You've got style, my man. What's up, Game -- You're not gonna swerve me with your sledgehammer, are you? Ive read your posts so I had an idea of your tastes.. Ahhh, very good! Yes Giallo; a total different genre that doesnt get much love or attention in here, well anyway thats because its TCM, classics There are chat forums for Giallo somewhere This is your thread, Trip. How many Bava films have you seen? Bava began his career in the late-30s and he began directing in the mid-40s, by the way. That's classic to me. I also like William Powell Thin Man movies and there is a movie called Kennel Murder Case that both Alpha and the Roan Group released. I love this film truly fantastic short mystery. It is a Warner movie, so maybe they will release a definitive version.. I saw that you mentioned your liking The Kennel Murder Case on another thread. I've yet to watch a single Thin Man film. I'm sure I'll like most of them because of Myrna. Hey there, ChiO, My Hero -- You are highly impressive. I already knew about your impeccable film taste, but your musical tastes are just as impressive. I've always thought to myself, what kind of music I would like if I grew up in the 60s, and I'm pretty darn sure it would be soul. Most of the music I like is influenced by soul. You earned serious points with me for mentioning Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five and Afrika Bambaataa. I'm always looking for the perfect beat. Hi, Molo -- A fellow Gloria Grahame fan is gonna get a shout out from me. I really like your tastes. F.W. Murnau, eh? Ciao, Mrs. Sinatra -- Miss G (predictably) loves lists! Swoon! And my picks are not surprising to anyone here I'm sure. Drama/Romance (this includes romantic noirs) There are romantic noirs? Really? You forgot to mention the Coen Brothers. I guess they just slipped your mind. I'll add them to your list for you.

What I don't quite get is how the "trashy dames" get all the attention while no one says a word about "the ape". You already started one thread with my name, so I figured... ohhhh, King Kong. That ape! The second I saw Annie Laurie Starr, I fell into a trance. But I'm definitely down with Fay Wray and Kong, too. I love the film.

But you can read it whatever you want. Knowing your creativity, I shall. (with some "news" to post in a different thread) That's an interesting little tease.

Hi, Minya -- I think all of what you said makes you unique and on the "against-the-grain" side of the coin, especially the "sultry glances and double crossings" part. I usually don't like being lumped in with the masses myself. It tends to make me shudder. I do like my share of popular things but, for the most part, I've always been someone who sought comfort in being different. I'm not a big "me, too-er." This is why I tend to be very open-minded. It's also why I'm generally attracted to opposites. Interestingly enough, most of the friends I have from the South consider GWTW to be practically sacred and they watch every year at least once. Hmmmmmm, this sounds awfully familiar to me.

Part two of Fritz Lang and Thea von Harbou's Die Nibelungen...

Hey there, Lively Gal -- Yes I'm quoting you again Frank becuz I'm re-visiting "The Cobweb" so I can give my thoughts on Double G in the slew of films TCM is showing featuring Gloria Grahame. I still have to watch The Cobweb. I'm very interested in watching A Woman's Secret and I've decided I'm going to get The Bad and The Beautiful on DVD. You'll know I've lost my mind if I get Oklahoma! on DVD. In a scene with Boyer, she walks out to the veranda to enlist his help with Lillian Gish. She is very sultry and feline. She stops so he can put her wrap around her shoulders. She slightly leans into him. He takes her in with his eyes. He thinks he's working his Continental charms on her. Uh...nope. She's totally working him. Oooohh, I like how you paint, T. "He takes her in with her eyes." Whoa! By the way, I know all about the "she's totally working him" bit. Yep FrankieG., there's something about Gloria. I'm glad you think that, too, CM. You have a very good feel for such things. Gloria speaks a language that I hear loud and clear. Bonjour, Miss Safari -- "You're turning into the original African hotrod." If James M. Cain wrote that, he should get an award. That line never fails to break me up! My other favorite is when she's talking to Mrs Nordley and tells her "he's no Sir Gallahad who loves from afar---he's a two-legged boa constrictor!" I think I'll visit Africa. Big game hunting, are we? I think the caps you posted are beautiful and not hazy at all. The green of her sweater is so vibrant and picks up her eyes! It's not a bad print on the dvd, it just isn't pristine and this movie deserves to be. I think the DVD image is on the cloudy side. It's not as muddy as The Quiet Man DVD is, but it's still a little too blurry for my tastes. Ava and Grace would jump off the screen if the image were better, ala Grace in To Catch a Thief. Ciao, Trashy T -- well i have seen all of those, but that doesnt mean i like trashy romance films.....does it look like i ONLY watch romance films? if they are the ONLY things i watch, then i wouldnt have seen all those others in the first place thank you very much mr. dutchman! I think you have seen every classic film, Sweet T. The thing is, your tastes are geared towards trashy films (sappy romance), so I'm not sure if your tastes are going to match up with Triple-H's. Although, I think Triple-H has a softer soft side than me. and my romantics are not trashy! Indeed, they are! compare here: boogie nights....pride and prejudice. do you see the difference? im not the one watching the trashy ones honey boy! I haven't watched Boogie Nights yet. I'm sure you'd love it, though. I hear it's got a lot of "romance" in it. There Will Be Blood came out on DVD today, too. Francie is just a stubbornly foolish blonde, that's all. She just needs to be shown the way. and i bet you are just the one to show her right? heehee! Me? She'd run right over me. I'm a total pushover. Here's Gloria in her playroom...

Wow! Those are some sizzlers! I also love The Sin of Nora Moran poster. It's been posted on this board a few times and I'm always grateful when it is. Excellent stuff, Minya.

Gallery of vampy dames! Ohhh, I have to hear this. So what other posters are in this sultry gallery of yours, Minya?

Margaret Livingston was a pretty big name Star, and a very good looking woman. But she did not look Her best by any means in SUNRISE. She has a lovely figure. Janet Gaynor without the horrid Blonde Old Mother Hubbard Wig, was extremely adorable! In-fact in STREET ANGEL (1928), she is quite, quite beautiful. I actually liked the wig. She reminded me of Olivia de Havilland in Gone with the Wind. Do you (or anyone else) have any pics of Janet Gaynor and Margaret Livingston? I'd love to see how they looked outside of Sunrise.