FrankGrimes

There are usually sales on Kino titles, too, so I'd wait if I were you. I'll end up getting the box if I get Pandora and the Flying Dutchman. I'll bite the bullet with Blue Angel. And what makes you think she isn't a meek little stay-at-home wall flower? Me smart. You, Pandora, and Ava are kindred "spirits."

I guess now she's done been kissed! GREAT caps! I'd forgotten about that scene. Thanks. You've already spoiled me with Ava and Mann tonight. I still have a surprise, though. Another favorite scene is when Lee is writing out a telegram for Duke and he can't spell a word. It just breaks me up, he's so funny and cute. Okay, then. I'll see if I can kill that one for you. In the meantime...

Howdy, Fordy Guns! -- Are you at least going to say the words, "you can go now"? Maybe yes, maybe no. More like, "definitely yes, no maybes." Hiya, ButtersweetsGrace -- The Goddess is right, I'll eat the licorice.

I think I must have got my dvd on sale, then. Kino socks it to you, but I do appreciate their dedication to film. Isn't the Deepdiscount.com sale coming up in June? Yes, ma'am. If you can wait until then...The other titles in that set are all good-to-great movies so I think the box set may be the way to go. I'm also interested in Lured. You can always get the German version of Die Blaue Angel another time. What sucks is that there's another DVD of Blue Angel that has both versions but the one in the box doesn't. Boo! Or...just enjoy the screencaps till you make up your mind. Pandora will wait. She is a very patient, meek and mild young lady... I'm enjoying them, girl! They are very good. You are definitely capturing Ava's beauty and the mysterious nature of the film quite well. And why is it that I don't believe for one second that Pandora is very patient, meek, and mild? She's definitely a gorgeous young girl, though.

Hola, Miss G(ardner)! -- Yes, those are my caps and I've got about a hundred more. Wow! Way to go! The caps you have posted have certainly raised my interest level in the film, which was already sky-high thanks to your recommendation. I just adore this film and I think you will appreciate it. It has the flavor of a European surreasistic fantasy and Hitchcock combined. I haven't even posted the most bizarre and weirdly beautiful caps, or even Ava's loveliest. I never knew you liked the film THIS MUCH. It certainly has a Portrait of Jennie feel going for it. I do think the movie needs a restoration and the kind of treatment that the Powell/Pressburger prints have received; it's every bit as lovely as any of theirs, and in some ways a darn sight better. You'll quickly learn which DVD transfers are good and not so good when you take caps. Mogambo and The Naked Spur are two films that I have that are on the "hazy" side. It's disappointing. Oh, and based on your tastes---"Pandora Reynolds" is your kind of movie heroine. Talk about trouble! And tortured romance? It doesn't come any more tortured. You definitely have my tastes down. I love tortured romance and I love women who are handfuls even more. Albert Lewin was said to be so enthralled by Ava's beauty he kept ordering more and more closeups of her. Indeed, the film is as much a poetic homage to the eternal beauty of an extraordinary woman as it is an erotic fantasy. I actually have not seen a "beauty" film for Ava and this one looks to be just that. I'm sure you can pick up the (Kino) dvd inexpensively online if you can't find it in the stores---it ought to get the "Criterion" treatment one day. It's not inexpensive. It's going for about $25. I may consider getting the Kino box set it's in. The problem with the box is that Blue Angel, another film I want to see, doesn't include the German version, which is the one I'd want to see.

Darn you, vile temptress! Why must you write such an alluring review? Why? Now I'm gonna look to get the DVD. Are those your caps?

Hiya, Dear Jackie! -- Touche' I think it is I who should be saying that to you. You made me laugh out loud with your return of serve on the "Coop" thread. So you're funny, smart, and open-minded. Your first husband done messed up... thankfully for your second hubby. Bonjour, Miss Sour -- Don't let him escape, T! Get the giant popsicle stick ready and will ride him out of town on it and dip him in chocolate. Are you at least going to say the words, "you can go now"?

That was a wonderfully-crafted and beautifully-said post, Angie. You don't need me to talk about the High Noon love triangle because you just stated it better than I ever could. Seriously. That was terrific. Shockingly ( ), I agree with almost everything you said. I guess my work is done here now.

What a way to go.....yum. Maybe. Maybe not.

Hola, Freezy Floozy -- Well, I never told you "you can go now"! That's because the hard work and killin' ain't done yet. I'm sure I'll see the words "you can go now" soon enough. Come join us! But you have to be nice to Marty. No way! I like his girl. Skip to my Lou, my darlin'... It would be nice if you did the hard work. That's what men should do. I'm with Coop on that one. As for the killing... Are you implying that's a woman's job? I think you are, Snippy Squaw. :p Hiya, ButterscotchGREER! -- you would like it too fankie darlin'. I'm sure I'll love it, T. I'll watch it when I get some time later on.

Mr Grimes---Are you by chance dropping a none-too-subtle hint? I haven't even watched that dvd, much less had time to extract captures. I'd never have let Ethan wander off into the winds like that. I think it makes the others bloody selfish if you ask me. "OK, thanks for doing all the hard work and killing, you can go now." Honestly! However, I really would like to get some images of Lee Marvin playing with his train. I'll see if I can do the hard work and kill for you later on. I may also have a surprise for later, too. We'll see. Hi, Sweet T! Why are your hands dripping in chocolate? I thought you didn't like chocolate.

I think Frank's statement that it is a lesson in marriage is dead on.... Thank you, Jackie, dear. You really are a sweetheart... unlike some others ( ). Excellent commentary. I agree with most everything you said. You clearly speak from experience. I thought you hit on the most critical point in "understanding" Amy in your assessment. It looks as if you and I are on the same page. It will be interesting to see where the other gals are. In case you haven't guessed, I'm a big tease. By the way, I think you are going to enjoy The Man Who Laughs. It's a touching love story. Sweet and Sour -- I'll get back at you two later on. This cat has more than nine lives.

Wish I had more images from that film. Don't you have it on DVD, Fordy Guns?

Sorry for the delay, ChiO. I'm only going to list the films that I have seen from my favorite film noir DPs. Here's my list: 1. John Alton -- Alton is as boring a selection as me naming Hitch as my favorite director, but the truth needs to be told. Alton deserves the top spot. T-Men, Raw Deal, and He Walked by Night are three prime examples of what film noir looks like. T-Men, Raw Deal, Hollow Triumph, He Walked by Night, Border Incident, and Mystery Street. 2. Nicholas Musaraca -- I'm going to stretch my noir universe to include Cat People and The Seventh Victim. Those two films put great use to shadows. What we cannot see can hurt us. Out of the Past is often cited as Musaraca's masterpiece, but I actually like the look of Cat People even more. Cat People, The Seventh Victim, The Spiral Staircase, Out of the Past, Clash by Night, The Blue Gardenia, The Hitchhiker. 3. John Seitz -- Seitz shot two of the most powerfully dark films noir in Double Indemnity and Sunset Blvd. He also helmed the very underrated This Gun for Hire. This Gun for Hire, Double Indemnity, The Big Clock, Sunset Blvd. 4. George Diskant -- Diskant smoothly handled the city streets, countryside snow, and the shadowy cabin lighting in On Dangerous Ground and he tackled the very tough chore of shooting the claustrophobic The Narrow Margin. They Live by Night, The Racket, On Dangerous Ground, The Narrow Margin. 5. Joseph MacDonald -- MacDonald is an underappreciated DP who really helped launch the gritty realism of film noir. Location shoots on such films as Call Northside 777, Panic in the Streets, Pickup on South Street, and House of Bamboo took film noir to a new level. MacDonald's creative shots in the underrated Fourteen Hours kept the "trapped" film fresh. The Dark Corner, Call Northside 777, The Street with No Name, Panic in the Streets, Fourteen Hours, Pickup on South Street, House of Bamboo. 6. Joseph LaShelle -- What I like about LaShelle is that he was capable of capturing the lovely beauty of Gene Tierney and Linda Darnell amongst the dark worlds that surrounded each in films like Laura, Fallen Angel, Where the Sidewalk Ends, and Hangover Square. Laura, Hangover Square, Fallen Angel, Where the Sidewalk Ends 7. Russell Metty -- Touch of Evil alone lands Metty on my list, but I'm also very partial to The Stranger. Whistle Stop, The Stranger, Touch of Evil 8. Milton Krasner -- In terms of films, I'd rank Krasner higher since he shot Fritz Lang's Scarlet Street and The Woman in the Window. But I don't consider either one of those films to be "cinematographer" films. The film that truly is a "DP" film is The Set-Up. The Woman in the Window, Scarlet Street, The Set-up, No Way Out 9. Burnett Guffey -- In a Lonely Place, Human Desire 10. Robert De Grasse -- The Leopard Man, Born to Kill, Follow Me Quietly I have only seen one Stanley Cortez noir but it happens to be one of my very favorite looking films in history, The Night of the Hunter. Just Missed: James Wong Howe, Ernest Laszlo, Charles Lang, Harry Wild, Harry Stradling, Norbert Brodine, Bert Glennon.

Osiyo, Lynn! -- I look forward to you watching this film again one of these days, hopefully very soon. Ouch! That was very Goddess-like of you. At least I showed up! I've seen the film so often over the past 40 years that watching it with completely fresh eyes is darn near next to impossible. Though small things continue to register like Ethan calling Debbie's name as he chases her down and then lifting her up ala when he first returns home. That's a tough one to pick up. It's a sneaky little hint as to what's to come. It's one reason that I wanted to start this thread because given the number of times I have seen the film, sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees and if there are any more hints about the subtext that I might have missed I love to hear them. I'll see what I can come up with. You already hit upon one of the most mysterious lines -- Ethan telling Marty, "he wants him to know." I hope to comment on that scene. As for kicking hide, well it seems all that arguing and kicking I've been doing in the two main forums has caught up with me. Doc tells me to lay off it and get a MRI. Some nonsense about a torn ligament, maybe torn cartilage in my knee. I'll know more in about two weeks. Till then, I'll have to be careful about who I kick. Shhh!!! Don't tell anyone! I like it when it's others hides getting kicked and not mine. So how did you injure your knee? Was it wear and tear through time or an incident? I wonder if there are any other squaws on this thread who answer to "Wounded Knee."

Che D? Problemi Di -- Who do you think I'm gonna be thinking of when I FINALLY watch Thieves' Highway? As long as it isn't Richard Conte... That's a very safe bet. I ain't be haulin' that freight.

Howdy, Lynn, dear! -- Well as the smaller forums are quickly becoming the last bastion of real film talk around here. "General Discussions" and "Hot Topics" are two forums that rarely interest me anymore, but I've always preferred the smaller forums because the crowds are smaller. Threads stay alive longer. If I started a thread in "General Discussions," I'd expect it to land on page three in a matter of days. "Films and Filmmakers" is my favorite "large" forum. Check out the views for that forum and you'll see that it ain't that large. Sorry to sound so cynical I guess a trip to the ortho doctor will do that to you. Are you okay, Lynn? Have you been kickin' too much hide? Anyways, Frankie asked what I thought of the CU of Hunter when Scar calls him "He Who Follows" On the surface his Indian name reflects that his always in the company of "Broad Shoulders" and often running or hurrying to catch up with Ethan. But the subtext, hmmm...... The subtext could hint at a few possibilities. Uh-huh. I still have to watch the film again, but I did stumble across some interesting moments that give some possible credence to Ethan and Marty being father and son or at least blood relatives. If I find the time to post some more caps, I'll do so. Howdy, Fordy Guns! -- Those caps of Laurie, Ma Jorgenson & Marty are just BEEEEAUTIFUL!!! Thanks. I have to gush a little about Olive Carey or, rather, echo your astute appraisal of how she handles her scenes with Laurie. She's a very stoic-faced woman, authentically western looking to the equal of her cowboy husband, Harry---and just look what she does with that face, I mean those eyes. Like Gary Cooper she can convey so much with the absolute minimum. I think she's a very strong presence in this movie, even though her part may seem limited in terms of dialogue. Ford knew she didn't need a lot of words. Nicely said. I agree with everything you just said. The strong, quiet-types are almost always overlooked upon first viewings, but with repeat visits, they tend to gain prominence. Ma Jorgensen is a very perceptive woman. One thing I found curious about her, though, was that she pleaded for Charlie to stay over for supper after Laurie received the crushing news about Marty. Do you believe she felt Charlie would be best for Laurie at that moment? Do you believe she felt as if Laurie needed to put Marty behind her as quickly as possible now that Marty had a "wife"? Besides, Laurie, I was struck by how kind and gentle she was with ol' Mose when they brought the poor thing in after his captivity. The way she answered him when he asked her if she thought he was "crazy": "No, Mose, you're just sick and hurt." You are Miss Perceptive... per usual. I really do like the nice, soft touches by Ford. The vast majority of his characters tend to have a human warmth to them. It's easy to see why you connect with Ford's cinematic world. It's very, very you. I love John Qualen, he's so enthusiastic over all the wrong things. He's a simple, happy-go-lucky grown child. He's the kind of Pa that can frustrate you to no end but one you just cannot stay angry with. He's too kindhearted. His character is very similar to the one in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, only there he was clued into who was the right man for Hallie. I felt he was just as clueless in Valance. Howdy, Bronx Blossom! -- Welcome, cowgirl! I'm sure other people have made this point, but, when Ethan lifts Debbie five years later, he's re-creating in his own mind that she's still the little girl he lifted at the house, so he can't do her any harm? That's what I believe, too. I think Ethan ends up realizing this by the end of the search. Debbie is no longer the sweet, pure little girl that he held when she was a child but she's still Debbie. Guys should never abandon their "little" girls.

Here we go again! Promises, promises. Will we ever be honored by actually hearing this so-called "opinion"? I love your usage of the word "honored." The pressure to produce something of quality rises with each day. I'm aware of this. Y'all just want to shoot me dead. I do like that they start the movie with them getting married, it lets your imagination wander and try to figure out how they met and what all happened leading up to the wedding. Obviously she's much younger than him and not as mature which could explain her not fully appreciating the situation they are in; and whether she wants to admit it or not, it does affect them both. Like Will tells her, they can't run forever b/c that's no kind of life. I don't like that she leaves him but it wouldn't be as dramatic if she didn't so that's okay. I don't think there are any real answers to the unanswered questions about Will, Amy, and Helen. It's all speculative. I can only present my own speculation. I expect the same in return. I happen to agree with a lot of what you said. I think it all plays into the triangle. My only real beef with "Amy" is that Grace was just not good enough to pull it off. Maybe. Maybe not. When she comes back at the end I always mumble at the tv "too little too late biznatch!!" Maybe. Maybe not. Don't you love my film analysis? Very fulfilling.

Hi, Coopsy's Dream Girl! -- I don't know who these Mary and Louise people are; all I know is he tried to leave me and I cried and cried until he changed his mind . Don't you know your Greer Garsons? Ohhhhh, nooooooo! I'm turning wishy-washy. Darn that Theresa! Have I told you just how much I dislike that sneaky troublemaker? Seriously though, there is one line from High Noon that does bother me. Will tells Amy that he's the same man with or without the badge and she says 'no you're not'. What does she mean by that?! She doesn't even seem to know him very well. I've got an explanation for that... I totally understand that we're really not supposed to like her very much b/c like everyone else in the town she abandons him (at least for a while) and it does play better that way b/c it makes it more dramatic and makes us want to root for him even more. You're correct, Amy's abandonment of Will is really done for dramatic effect, but I think it actually makes sense, too. I consider it a lesson in love. I think it's a lesson many need to learn. But that line bothers me (no matter who the actress is delivering it) b/c it makes her seem kinda like an idiot and makes you wonder why he married her (besides the obvious that she's a trophy wife . It's all speculation as to why Will chose to marry Amy. All I can do is share my own take on Will and Amy's relationship. My opinion will only be that. The door will be WIDE open for other opinions.

Okay, first off not all homewreckers are bad. In that dream I had where I was having an affair with Gary and he left his wife and kid for me, I was a perfectly nice person and he couldn't live without me. That's because you were the Mary Rafferty. What if you were a sweet Louise? You'd feel awful. But if I had a say, I'd side with you being on the good side of homewreckin'. ButterscotchGRACE is on the bad side of that. She's dreadful. Will loved the town more than Amy. Can you blame him? Oooh, you walked right into the that one!! Yes, I can and do blame Will. What's not to love about soft and gentle Grace? She's the kind of woman who sits by her man in the hotel lobby. What man wouldn't want that? I know I would because I couldn't take all the snippiness if she was around me the entire time. The clock couldn't strike noon quick enough under those circumstances. When are you going to do this? Why don't you do that? Did you try this? Well why not?!

Thanks for those kind words, Joe, but the Goddess deserves the kudos. This is her wonderful establishment and she's done a splendid job of keeping the saloon full of spirits. By the way, I think you accidentally posted the Elopement poster here instead of on your "Spotlight." I'm gonna try to post some Webb for you on your brilliant thread, if you don't mind.

Hey, Theodora -- Welcome back. I don't think that's sexist at all: I definitely see that. Well, I don't honestly know anyone "in real life" who cares about these films, male or female, but online I find about five young guys to one girl who do. The ratio may actually be worse than that, if anything. I'm thinking the ratio is greater. You're not an every day film-watching girl, especially for your age. You'll find a very receptive audience to 30s and 40s American films on this board. That's the primary focus for most TCM board members. That's what I love you guys for! It's refreshing for me to see some proper respect and affection for these films at last. This is definitely a Hollywood studio board. The star vehicles from the 30s and 40s reign supreme. I'm surprised to learn you are interested in this era considering your appetite for directors. So what swaths are the greenest for you? Oh, when I think about what I don't know and haven't seen...! The only things I've done in any kind of depth come from the US and France, really. Italy to a lesser extent. I've only done Germany in depth through Fassbinder, Sweden through Bergman. I love Czech and Hungarian cinema, but I doubt I've seen much more than a dozen from each. I'm terribly behind with all Asian cinema. And that's not even scratching the surface of the south-of-the-equator gems that hardly ever get talked about... It'd take a lifetime (and then some, I bet). I haven't come close to venturing into those deep forests yet. You are many moons beyond me, "Greenhorn." But lately what I really want to do is dig deeper and deeper into old Hollywood -- the seedy world of precodes above all. That's where I turn to you lot and your expertise! You should be able to find a handful of pre-code addicts on the board. It's a "genre" with diehards.

Thank you for the Anthony Mann western pics, Fordy Guns. You know how to play fair.

I love that crazed look in Neville Brand, thanks! He has to hit someone to feel better. You're such a sweet girl, J. So where do you think "Chester" needs to hit somebody? In the belly, perhaps?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, dripping-wet Grace! Super sigh me. You can post whatever posters you want on your thread, Kyle. I won't say a peep. You are in my good GRACEs. And if your forehead no longer says "Welcome", I hope it doesn't read "Wipe Your Feet" in it's place. More like "Foolish Sucker." It's the role I was born to play. I do it so well.