FrankGrimes

This thread has turned UGLY mighty fast. More proof that Gregg Toland was in fact a genius. You should have posted the "leprechaun Coop" pic on Monday. I need to take some showers in the Gloria Grahame and Gene Tierney threads.

Hey, Coopsy's Indecorous Clarita -- Just when I'm about to get off this board you have to take a shot, don't you? Blank and emotionless? My little lamb is full of emotion, she just doesn't wear it on her sleeve... just like Will. She's not a hot head. Hi, Miss G(ary's Floozy) -- (FrankGrimes will have something to say about that I'm sure): You know, for once, I absolutely agree with you. Make-up DOES make a difference! My poor, sweet lambikins is never good enough except for the men who love her so.

I'm sure you'll take care of that! I aim to please. Theresa! Let's throw him in the chocolate! Running to others once again. I promised Jackie F that I'd behave and I shall... for the moment. Here's my second favorite floozy: This lovely angel would never trample on the feelings of another.

What's the score, CHIarOscuro? -- This was another FrankGrimes suggestion (and he's too much of a weeny -- or is it weasel?-- to do this), so blame him. I'm both weeny and weasle... and much, much worse. You should just make this a noir list thread so we can just let loose. I have a feeling that some of the lists could spark dialogue between you and I and others. It could be fun to pick apart film noir; favorite this and least favorite that, best that and worst this. We could actually create an interesting little book here. If any type of movie is defined by the cinematographer as much as it is by the director, then it is film noir. You got it, my Mann. Film noir is definitely a visual medium that speaks a language all its own. I have put together my top ten film noir DPs, but I don't have the time to post them right now. I just wanted to make sure you knew that I haven't abandoned your thread. Your selections are impeccable as always.

If I were careful it wouldn't be much fun. Spoken like a true floozy. Hey, I heard you still had some feelings left over that needed trampling.

"Careful now."

1. Fritz Lang -- My second favorite director of all time is arguably the grandfather of film noir. Scarlet Street, Clash by Night (more melodrama), The Big Heat, The Woman in the Window, Human Desire, and While the City Sleeps are all great favorites of mine. Secret Beyond the Door is the Lang film I wish to see most. If that is anywhere near as good as I think it may be, my appreciation for Lang will ascend all the more. 2. Nicholas Ray -- What I love about Ray's best films noir is that they actually revolve around love. They Live by Night, In a Lonely Place, and On Dangerous Ground are all noir love stories. To me, that's genius. Macao and The Racket are two other films noir that Ray had his hands on that I have seen. 3. Otto Preminger -- Herr Otto receives very high marks from me thanks to his great fortune of working with both Gene Tierney and Linda Darnell, two of my very favorite actresses. Fallen Angel, Where the Sidewalk Ends, Laura, and Angel Face are some of my all-time favorite noirs and I've also seen Whirlpool. 4. Anthony Mann -- Other than Lang, Mann is the noir director I have seen the most of. He has some very strong efforts like Raw Deal, T-Men, and He Walked by Night and some solid showings like Side Street, Railroaded, and Border Incident. The Great Flamarion is an underrated Mann noir that I consider to be interesting. 5. Jacques Tourneur -- Tourneur is hard for me to rank because I really want to call his Lewton pics noir. If one is to accept Cat People and The Leopard Man as films noir, I'd put him third on my list. Out of the Past is my third favorite noir of all time. I've yet to watch Nightfall. 6. John Huston -- Like Wilder, Huston has two huge films noir to his name in The Asphalt Jungle and The Maltese Falcon. If one is to count The Treasure of the Sierra Madre and Key Largo as films noir, I'd rank him third. The power of Bogie. 7. Billy Wilder -- I'm guessing Wilder will end up third on my list once I watch Ace in the Hole and The Lost Weekend. Double Indemnity and Sunset Blvd. are two of the greatest films noir ever made. 8. Orson Welles -- Touch of Evil and The Lady from Shanghai are two of the most unique films noir ever made and I'm someone who enjoys the The Stranger. I've yet to see Mr. Arkadin. 9. Samuel Fuller - Pick-up on South Street is my second favorite noir and that alone lands him on my list. The only other Fuller noir I have seen is House of Bamboo. 10. Robert Wise -- You knew he was going to make my list, ChiO. The Set-Up, Born to Kill, and Odds Against Tomorrow show the underappreciated range of Wise. Robert Siodmak (#11) and Edgar G. Ulmer (#12) were the two directors who just missed the list for me, primarily because I haven't seen enough of their work. I've only seen Criss Cross and The Spiral Staircase from Siodmak. I own three Jules Dassin films on DVD (Night and the City, Thieves' Highway, and Rififi) but I've yet to watch any of them. I've yet to see a Phil Karlson film and I've only seen one Joseph H. Lewis film (Gun Crazy). Joseph Mankiewicz, Henry Hathaway, and Edward Dmytryk just missed my list.

Sorry for the delay, Lynn. If you need any other moments from the film, just let me know. I'm going to try to watch the film again.

but the mary rafferty part was nice, i just love her character. she was so innocent and sweet yet she knew how to handle any situation. She did not! She didn't know how to tell the Scott family dinner was served. she and paul were deeply in love but that HAD to put the ocean between them b/c she knew they could never be together. Why couldn't they? He was madly in love with her. Don't you think Paul was man enough to handle the circumstances that come with marrying the family maid? although i think they could have actually made it if they at least tried and that aweful louise caine was a wicked witch! She wasn't a witch! Sweet Louise was in love with Paul until Mary came along and stole him from her. And who does Paul end up marrying? Louise. She was willing to love him. She didn't abandon him. She stuck with him. little paulie could have been mary's son. But he wasn't. He's Paul and Louise's son. oh it is so sad, but its one of those movies you cant bare not to watch it and completely fall in love with it and the characters within the story. only so-so? that means you think Gone with the Wind is horrid. it had to be one of the toehr. Hmmmmmm. you just hurt april's feelings? Who? She probably doesn't have any feelings to hurt anyways. i like the trashiest films? could you please tell me which films you think i watch that are so trashy. Garson, Cooper, Young, and Colman films are pretty darn trashy. Lots of sappy stuff. home-wrecker? oh my goodness! are we talking about the same mary rafferty that pushed mr. paul awat when HE kisses her on the boat? that sweet mary? my goodness! Well, yes, I really liked that Mary was very shy at first, but she should have dropped all that shyness later on. She needed to accept Paul's love, not push it away. Poor, poor Paul. i think you take pride in doing this to me. your sybil has come out again and stabbed me in the heart. heehee! I have to test (or is it tease) you on your favorite films. Are you sure you really want me to watch your films?

That's my Frankie..... Thanks, Jackie. You sure know how to care for a guy. Y'all can keep the fancy food, I'm a picnic guy.

I saw that you started that thread and I will certainly post my favorite noir DPs there, my main Mann. I'll try to fire up some images, too.

Howdy, Lynn -- Sorry about the foolishness. It's just that I've missed the Butter One. I'll talk The Seachers with you. I have read everything you posted about the possible relation of Ethan, Marty, and Scar. I'll check the film out again.

Hi, Meanie Mint! -- You're pretty darn bad. I need to find some pepper spray. well now i know you read my pm. heehee! I also deleted it. please dont get that out, "i washed me face and hands before i come i did","im a good girl i am!" You're still peppery, Mary Rafferty. It's a real sad day when guys have to use pepper spray to keep desperate gals like you away from them. you arent telling me Random Harvest is horrid are you? not MY Random Harvest! heehee! It's so-so. trashy films? who likes trashy films? it isnt me or april....you are the one who likes scary movies, not us. Who's April? I don't know this girl. I hate to say it, but you are the person on this board who likes the trashiest films. didnt you at least think they were a cute couple? Mary Rafferty is a home-wrecker! That poor little boy is going to lose one of his parents because of her. How awful! Why did she have to kill Paul's heart by putting an ocean between them? That's terrible! Paul just wanted to know Mary loved him and she turned her icy shoulders on him. She was cruel to Paul and his heart. but i was told that you pick on the ones you love, That's crazy talk! I pick on you all the time and I dislike you with a passion.

If you're nice maybe winsome Miss G, Buttercutie, Whistlinsweetheart and I will give you a treat..... T-R-A-P "Buttercutie"? Those days are long gone. "Whistlinsweetheart"? Hmmmm. That's interesting. Frank - I'm warning you: I said NO food fights.... I promised you I'd behave. Now where did you put my apron?

Hi, ButterscotchGRACE -- but im not brainwashed. im the same ol' theresa. but if you really think im that bad....now im pouting! heehee! You're pretty darn bad. I need to find some pepper spray. oh yes you would frankie. heehee! you fell for Gone with the Wind and Random Harvest didnt you? come on admit it, frankie, you like them. you cried to them...you even borrowed me skirt to dry your eyes. remember? One of those films is so-so and the other is horrid. Why must you gals insist on liking trashy films? what? greer never did such a thing! she would never make a slasher film. she was too ladylike and too much fun to do that sort of thing It's too bad, because she could have become something if she did make slasher films. did you watch Valley of Decision frankie? you are torchering me here!...or are you meaning to do that? i would believe that if thats what you are trying to do. heehee! Of course I did. The film taught me a couple lessons -- 1) Get angry and kill those you disagree with. That's important. 2) Move as far away from the person you love the most because it's best to let them marry someone else and then break up that marriage in the end. With those kind of lessons, it's no wonder you listen to the advice of bad girls.

And to make things worse you didn't even bring anything...no wine, nothing for the hostess! And you're not even wearing a necktie! And to a formal occasion! Parties ain't my scene. I'm a lonely drinker.

meanie mint? who's the meanie? oh! i dont drink spiked tea....only spiked with cream thank you. heehee! Shouldn't you be watching a Greer Garson slasher film or something?

Champoo Floorzies are WELCOME in Tombstone or any city in the globe! Just ask any of the men! Ask them? They told me. They specifically mentioned a certain one. That rail has FRANKGRIMES name on it because he promised to entertain and he didn't SHOW UP. Sound familiar? Owwwwwwwwww! Miss Kitty's sharpened her claws!

I distinctly gave the bouncers orders to keep the velvet rope up around your neck... Once they let you in, they had to let everyone else in. Who let you in?

I'd already be on my second course... What, your second salad? All right, I'll behave -- for now. At least you posted a Gene pic. I'm sure a flood of Gary Cooper drinking is next up.

Hey, ChiOblique -- But wait a minute -- MissG did mention Mankiewicz, albeit obliquely. She mentioned No Way Out, but credited it to Herr Otto. Po-tay-toe, po-tah-toe (sorry for my oblique reference to St. Paddy's Day). Great catch! I loved your list, mann. That's pretty much a given, though. I've got my directors ready to roll, but I'm bringing DPs to the party, too. Hi, Miss Floozy for Hire ( ) -- Ohhh, wait a minute, that doesn't sound right. Hmmm. Hi, Vera! Is Mankie a "noir" director? I don't think of him that way. He's too drawing room civilized! Your "too civilized" Mankie did make a few films noir: No Way Out, Somewhere in the Night, and House of Strangers. Of the three, I'd consider Somewhere in the Night the most "noirish." It's a fave of mine.

Hi, Jackie F -- Frank - you may push her too far. I'd watch out if I were you..... Yes, the words "careful now" always register with me. I do have some ways of making up for my foolishness. But, of course, that will only lead to more "careful nows." It's neverending with me. Hey, Whistling Gypsy -- Ah, please don?t stop the silliness on my account. I might have trouble following the train of thought, but I can see that you are all having a lot of fun. Thanks. It's good to play once in awhile, but I don't want to bury your words. You've quickly become one of my favorite board members. You are very intelligent with a wonderful eye.

Champoo Floozy?

Careful now. I'll back off. I don't want Whistling Gypsy's posts to be lost in a sea of silly.

No Mankiewicz, eh? Actually, his films noir aren't the heaviest of hitters, but I still like them. By the way, you receive the fullest of marks for taking on the challenge of listing your favorite noir directors. You especially receive credit for listing Lang. Every once in a great while, you do exhibit wonderful taste.