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What's up, Molo -- I taped A Woman's Secret and I'm gonna try to watch it this week. You have upped my interest in the film with these words:
The flashbacks with Gloria were the best part.
That works for me.
Hola, CineBaby -- Glad to see Double G's thread back on top.
My feelings exactly. I may play the cheap bump game just to keep Double G on the first page.
I've watched "The Cobweb" "Crossfire" "The Bad & The Beautiful" and now "A Woman's Secret." Wanna give my thoughts on TCM's showing of Gloria Grahame very soon.
I look forward to reading your always insightful and entertaining thoughts, CM.
The opinions expressed by me do not represent any normal loving cinemabuff.
I wouldn't want it any other way.
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Hi, Whistlin' Gypsy! -- What you wrote today about Anne Bancroft reinforced my words about your great intellect and magnificent writing ability. That was a very enjoyable read.
One of the joys of a message board such as this is meeting all kinds of people with varying
degrees of taste and observations on film and other topics. I find the differing personalities to
be very stimulating and rather educational. Your personality is quite captivating. I hope you
continue to share your observations and commentaries on this board. One will walk away richer
if they are to pay attention to your thoughts.
The Gypsy Rover came over the hills,
Down to the valley so shady;
He whistled and he sang
Till the green woods rang,
And he won the heart of a lady.
A dee do a dee do die day,
A dee do a dee day dee
He whistled and he sang
Till the green woods rang,
And he won the heart of a lady.
She left her father's castle gates,
She left her fair young lover;
She left her servants
And her estate
to follow the Gypsy Rover.
A dee do a dee do die day,
A dee do a dee day dee
He whistled and he sang
Till the green woods rang,
And he won the heart of a lady.
Her father mounted up his fastest steed
To search the valleys all over
He sought his daughter
At great speed
And the whistling Gypsy Rover.
A dee do a dee do die day,
A dee do a dee day dee
He whistled and he sang
Till the green woods rang,
And he won the heart of a lady.
He came at last to a mansion fine,
Down by the river Claydee,
And there was music
And there was wine,
For the Gypsy and his lady.
A dee do a dee do die day,
A dee do a dee day dee
He whistled and he sang
Till the green wood rang,
And he won the heart of a lady.
"He is no gypsy, my father." she said.
"But lord of those freelands all over,
And I will stay till my dying day
With my whistling gypsy rover."
A dee do a dee do die day,
A dee do a dee day dee
He whistled and he sang
Till the green woods rang,
And he won the heart of a lady.
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Hi, GiddyUp -- Welcome to the trail!
Although the Ford movie is "tremendous," two things are missing that would
have tied the whole thing together a bit more clearly.
First, it is obvious early on that Ethan (Wayne) had a special place in his heart for
his brother's wife. In the opening scenes, when she takes his belongings and they
touch hands, you can tell there is a spark there. And, in the novel, this relationship
is evident. Apparently, Aaron swept Martha away from Ethan.
That's interesting. I say "interesting" because Ford really plays up Martha's great
love for Ethan. It's really tough to imagine any guy taking her away from Ethan
the way she lovingly looks at him and touches his clothes. I suppose she could
have reached a point in her life where she figured he wasn't going to commit to her
and a home life so she ended up in Aaron's waiting arms, ala Laurie with Marty
and Charlie.
While he hunts Debbie, Ethan shows a great deal of racism, a hatred for the
Comanche that is undeniable. The Le May novel is based on the true story of
the Comanche abduction of Cynthia Ann Parker, who was the mother of the
great Comanche leader, Quanah Parker. Anyway, in the novel, when Ethan meets
up with Debbie he puts a gun to her head and says, "You sure do favor your
mother." In the novel, he saves Debbie, I believe, and he just can't pull the
trigger. He sees his lost love in the face of Debbie, and he can't kill her.
A line like "you sure do favor your mother" would certainly clear up Ethan's decision
to save Debbie. I really cannot see how Ethan could kill Debbie when you consider
she's the last connection he has to Martha and his brother, Aaron. You'd think he
would want to do anything in his power to keep Debbie alive.
Thanks for sharing with us how the novel reads.
Howdy, Wounded SQUAW (
) -- I'm just supposing, but from what I gatherof Mrs J, she has an eye to several things at once. Laurie may be her first concern,
but she's never going to forget frontier hospitality (by those unwritten but clearly
understood "rules," Charlie must stay---he's come so far and even a stranger would
be asked to stay for supper); or Charlie's feelings (Laurie makes it plain he's not in
the running for her affections) and is wise enough to try to keep "Option B" open
for Laurie.
I think you are very correct about frontier hospitality and I believe there may be a hint
of "option B," too. But I believe it's more the former. I just don't see Ma Jorgensen
pushing another man on Laurie so soon, even if Charlie is a gentleman.
Howdy, Jerkie! -- Hey! I was about to give you guys a stern talking to today
for not even responding to this thread. But then I realized that I didn't click "watch
thread" after my last post eons ago. You all have been here and I am the jerk who
didn't show up!
I was kinda hoping you wouldn't show up at all. Ohh, well.
I am really impressed with the analysis of Laurie- I actually am one of the few who
really love Laurie.
I take it all back! ButterscotchGreer is right -- you're a sweetheart!
I tend to be a lot like her.
All right! Laurie is very much my kind of girl.
She says foolish things in the heat of the moment, then spends a year
anguishing over it.
I'm not sure about this one. I don't see Laurie anguishing over her own emotional
outbursts. Above all else, she wants Marty to stick around and spend his life with
her. She has so much love inside of her and she wants Marty to have it all. So
whenever Marty gets near her, she absolutely erupts. All of her emotions come
to the surface and explode on Marty. One moment she's "angry" at him and the
very next moment she's smiling and kissing him. All of her emotional outbursts
are motivated by her love for Marty.
She represents loyalty as much as Marty does, and I think that is why they
belong together.
That's an excellent point!
What I find interesting about their relationship is that Laurie is emotional to the hilt
but Marty is very laid back and relaxed with her. He can absorb her great energy.
This younger generation has the endurance to make it in this cruel world they
inhabit. They both remain true, Marty to his ideals, and more concretely, Laurie in
her love for Marty.
I believe the word "younger" is very important in your point. Laurie loves hard like
many younger women do and Marty is very idealistic like many young men are.
They represent the good in life. They are very hopeful characters.
Ford's women are generally more pragmatic than the men, and I think in some
respects this is true in the real world.
Of the Ford women that I have seen to date, I'd agree with you. Ford's women
tend to be very content with their role in life, especially their man's life. As for
women in the real world...
That really does depend. Guys tend to beextremely practical.
Man: "What's its purpose?"
Woman: "It's pretty."
I can't blame Laurie at all for being angry at Marty in general, but in the scene
when she says that Martha would've wanted Debbie dead, I think it is another of
Ford's use of doubling- or bookends as someone said----
1. It shows how Ethan and Laurie are alike- they are both quite hot tempered, but
they are both forgiving in the end.
2. It shows that Marty is up against popular opinion, making the movie more
suspenseful.
3. It works as a plot point -showing how disappointed Laurie is, moving the plot
along at the same time, i.e. will there be too many differences for them to get
together?
Good points all.
Ethan and Laurie are similarly hot-tempered, although I believe Laurie's temper is often
for show whereas Ethan's is very real.
I really liked your "Marty is up against popular opinion" observation. He's not doing
right by his girl and he's doing the nearly unthinkable in challenging and standing up
to Ethan.
I am still not satisfied with a couple of points. One is the scalp scene. Why and
how does Ethan know that Marty's mother is one of the scalps? Why is this in the
movie? Just to show how open-minded Marty can be when he says that it doesn't
make any difference? for suspense? or is there a deeper mystery?
I rewatched half of The Searchers last night but I've yet to reach this scene.
Hopefully I'll have some "answers" to your questions.
I think he could be Ethan's boy. Maybe Ethan was so upset over Martha marrying
Aaron he went and had a good time with an Indian woman. It would explain why he
can't bear to acknowledge Marty as a relative.... It would remind him of his own worst
flaws....(Stretching here for the sake of argument.....)
Hmmmmm. That's a very intriguing take. As of the moment, I do believe there
could be something to Ethan and Marty being related but I need to finish the film out
before I start believing such a thing.
I promise not to keep trying the relationship game after you all blow holes in my
theories.
It's all speculative. Ford is playing in the shadows with Ethan and Marty's possible
relation.
I also want to know if it is ever mentioned in the script how Marty was found when
he was a baby. I simply can't remember. If Ethan took him during a raid, as it says
on IMDB, could the taking of Debbie be a retaliation for that as well?
I'll post that once I finish the film.
WHAT is Ethan going to tell Marty, when he is interrupted? Aaaagh. This one drives
me crazy!
Unanswered questions. This Ford fella can be pretty sneaky.
The following caps are from one of my very favorite scenes in The Searchers. The
reason why I like it so much is because it shows Laurie at her happiest. Marty gives her
what she wants and she cannot contain herself. She's overflowing with joy.
The following line by Laurie says it all:
And I absolutely love the following cap and line. Even when Laurie is angry at Marty,
she still wants to help him. That's how much she loves him. True love.
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Yes, you're right. I'm sure that's why it's so inferior to a benign little masterpiece like No Country for Bloody Old Men.
Oooohhhh, I like it when you are this catty. Hey, at least you referred to No Country for Old Men as a masterpiece. You're steppin' up in the world. I'll post some caps for you on this thread.
How has your opinion of the film changed since you first saw it as a child?
Well, my appreciation only grows the more I see it and the more I see other movies--especially modern movies that are so flimsy in comparison.
Meow!I now can see how truly fine an actor Clark Gable is and what a magnificent performance he gave. I think I just always took him for granted in that respect.
My appreciation for Gable is on the rise thanks to Gone with the Wind and The Misfits.
I also appreciate what a colossal undertaking it was for Selznick to get this picture made with his personal imprint on virtually every frame. He really is "Scarlett O'Hara" and this adds a realistic dimension to my pleasure in watching the movie.
Explain that one.
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That's because it was too short! All those deaths occur in the novel, which of course gives time to develop---the movie is too telescoped so it does seem like there's just tragedy piling up one upon another.
No matter the length of the film, I felt there were too many deaths.
I'd be just as happy if none of those deaths occurred, I don't find them necessary to enjoy the story.
That's how I feel about it, too. I thought it was too easy to keep killing everyone off. I believe it would have been more compelling if Bonnie had lived.
How has your opinion of the film changed since you first saw it as a child?
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Hey, Joe -- Thanks for the kudos. I appreciate it. I've been meaning to post on one of the Widmark threads because I'm a big fan of his thanks to film noir. He's rather similar to Robert Ryan (another huge fave of mine) in the fact that each were noted for playing despicable, nasty characters in film yet their true-to-life personalities were far removed from such hatred. I truly admire an actor who can portray something they are not and do so to near perfection. Widmark was one of the best at this and I dare say he never received the accolades he deserved because he played such characters. The same can be said of Ryan.
Hi, Celluloid Kid -- Love the posters! I always like seeing how a film was pitched to an audience.
Ciao, Whistlin' Gypsy -- Thanks for posting the Widmark "Star" tribute and photos. I really enjoy reading your comments on film. You're a very intelligent film-watcher and a wonderful writer. I admire your far-reaching tastes in film. It's quite impressive.
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Howdy, Barbaralero -- I've got a miniature Richard Dix figure on one of my ships. Strange how the other little crew members have vanished on it......
Very good! You are swift. Lewton's The Ghost Ship.
Ar-r-r-r-r, me hearty. I hear whistling in my apartment. I think it's Emyln Williams as Harry the smuggler from JAMAICA INN. (loved the book; hate the movie, except for Laughton, of whom Hitch revels in the character's hypocrisy)
Jamaica Inn is one of the most tedious films Hitch ever made.
Excuse me, Stuart is calling. He wants me to play THE COMANCHEROS score to really get him in the mood. I'm insulted.
Ooohhh, I like his choice of mood music.
Ciao, Missy G(ator) -- Burt doesn't think so.
Is that true, Burt?
At least Burt is very loving and caring. He's only looking out for your well-being.
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Hi, Miss Goddess! -- You are doing a mighty fine job with these caps. You are selecting
some choice moments. They are very enticing.
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So I've heard!
Owwwwwwwwwch!!!!!!!!!
That sounds like snippy old maid talk.
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Hola, Miss G(ator) -- You just have no appreciation. They are sweet, precious little darlings.
I have appreciation for the young, it's just that I'm surprised you do.
G'day, Bronx Matey -- I must have been an old salt in a previous lifetime. My living room has a nautical feel, with pictures of lighthouses. I have model ships and hurricane lamps scattered about.
Hurricane lamps make sense. Model ships? Val Lewton would love you. If you know how to tie knots, you would be set.
Give that man a Gloria doll! (hey, I've got a Stuart Whitman doll in my closet waiting to be....oops, sorry)
Ah, we're all desperate; just a matter of degree, LOL.
I guess you think my desperate meter is full. Stop peeking!
Excuse me while I inflate Stuart, LOL.
Somebody is very frisky tonight!
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Have you ever seen a baby alligator? They are so cute, the wee little things. I know, I'm crazy.
Yes, I know, you're crazy. You must have been at the champoo a wee bit much tonight if you are fawning over baby gators.
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A Warm Hitch Good Evening to you, Bronxie! --Hey, Scott!
Yes, Barb?
''FRANKIE, YOUR MOTHER FORGIVES ME!"
This is a Pappy quiz: What Ford movie is this from?
I haven't seen that one yet but I do have it on DVD. I think I'm really going to
like it, too. How Green was my Quiet Informer Man Frankie?
If you guess it correctly, I'll send you an inflatable Gloria Grahame doll.
Is it that obvious that I'm that desperate?
Yes, my little Pyewacket. I didn't have him long, however. He was terribly skittish, and eventually ran away, out the door and into the Bronx night.
Let me guess, it was a male cat.
We need to talk to you about chasing men away,Bronxie. Rule #1: Play dumb.
Bonjour, Wicked Witch of the East -- Now what were you saying, Frank? You should start to feel drowsy soon....just relax....
That's unfair! You know that I am defenseless against those two kittens.
Movie? What movie? That's a picture of me and my cat...ahhh, Bronxie's cat.
You are evil!Hiya, ButtersweetGLORIA -- yes too much cheese in him, bab idea! i think your idea is perfect!! yes we will tie his neck to the chair so his head will stay straight and that way he will have to watch pride and prejudice! but it cant be just any version...it has to be greer's and larry's!
You play rough! The only thing worse than watching Greer Garson films is watching Gary Cooper films. And if anyone names them as their very favorite actress and actor, I feel sorry for them. What a sad case they are. They must have bumped their head and lost their memory.
yes frankiefurter, lay back, there you go.....now shut your eyes.
I plan to. I'm not going to watch your trashy films.
now how could i stay away from sweet april! she didnt do anything worth of that torture!
Sweet who? Whoever that witch is, she has a spell on you.
where did gloria come from?
There is only one Gloria, ButterscotchGRACE.
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Ha! How would you know? Which version did you watch?
Ohhh, I, uhhh, saw the good version. Translation: I haven't seen any of them because
there's no such thing as a good version of Pride and Prejudice.
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Hola, Miss Finishing School -- Frank---I think we have a future femme fatale in the making. She's really very ingenuous in thinking of ways to torture a man.
You would know... which is why I've been doing all I can to keep her away from you.
I'm just playing, T.
Torture is play for you.
And I think you're right about the cheese---there's entirely too much of that in him already.
Let's see---how about we tie him to a chair and make him watch Pride and Prejudice, Melody Jones and The Parent Trap?
Kill me now!
It's The Parent Trap.
The Parent Trap? That sounds like a torture device for you.
Good Evenin', ButtersweetGLORIA -- This looks to be yet another trap.
only if you see it that way. remember you have short term memory loss so you will probably forget all about it...of course you will have to awaken from unconsciousness first. heehee!
This sounds like the symptoms of a man who has just watched Pride and Prejudice.
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ha! Maybe he's so fond of chocolate he doesn't want to come out. We'll have to tempt him with something better than chocolate.
This looks to be yet another trap.
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It's too short! Now, after you've picked yourself up off the floor I'll explain. David (we're on first names, you know) had planned for this to be a two movie extravaganza and there are simply thousands and thousands of feet of film that was never used. My mouth starts foaming just thinking about all the scenes that we will never see!! I just can't believe they actually got rid of that footage!!!! I know the war came and they needed the elements, but oh! Maybe even better performances than we saw were thrown away because it made the movie "too long". Selznick & co. were really rushed toward the end to get the thing released so I figure some drastic decisions were made, and perhaps unnecessary cuts. Because the last half to me (the Atlanta period) just feels "rushed". We go from one tragedy in the Butler household to another, lickity split!
Well, I cannot rip your buddy, David, for wanting to make Gone with the Wind a 2-film extravaganza. Why? Because Fritz Lang did that on more than one occasion in the 1920s when he was in Germany.
No explosions! What do I think is wrong with it?
I know how much you enjoy honest opinions.
What I did not like about Gone with the Wind was the overkill. There were too many deaths for dramatic purposes. Bonnie's death was the biggest overkill for me. I also thought Mr. O'Hara's death to be too convenient.
Grab that vase, Scarlett!
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Panic in the Streets
No Way Out
The Street with No Name
Kiss of Death
The Night and the City
Pickup on South Street
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Thanks for that "genre" listing of your favorite Fuller flicks, ChiO. I greatly respect your opinion, especially when it comes to Fuller, so I'm going to use your lists as a guide. I'm terribly excited to see that TCM will be showing The Crimson Kimono in June.
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Wow! It's quite interesting being on the other side of caps. I've never seen People Will Talk but I laughed out loud at both scenes that you posted. My favorite line was, "and with a catastrophe like this, he either resigns or blows his brains out." That killed me.
Nicely done!
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ohhh! Thank you for the picture of My sweet, Irish, S.O.B. Pappy! :x :x :x :x
Ford receives a heart for each of his letters.
You're welcome.
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Ha! And you found a copy of SWaYR that had Fort Apache as one of the "Special Features"? Very clever! You must have got the only one like that!
I'm one of a kind.
What "kind" is another story.By the way, I think you really will find Fort Apache an interesting, different sort of western.
You know I only buy DVDs to post screen caps.
I'm guessing I'll like Fort Apache because of Fonda but I'm not sure about She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. Rio Grande is going to be very tough to top because of my love for Maureen O'Hara.
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Good Evenin', Sweet T! -- I have never seen People Will Talk (although
it was recommended to me by MISS Floozy) or Goodbye, Mr. Chips (although
it was recommended to me by Meanie Mint).
well that just shows us how much you want to expand YOUR horizons. heehee!
Zing! That was a good one. Hey, I WATCHED The Valley of Decisionwith that awful homewreckin' Mary Rafferty.
I did consider getting Goodbye,Mr. Chips on DVD, too. It's no longer at my Borders. There are two others
Greer films there, though. If I buy any of those, I'd start to worry about myself.
There are a few, ahem, ladies on this board who need this:
frankie!!how indecorous of you!
I'm not indecorous. That title belongs to a certain redhead.
i can vouch for the irish temper. im very irish. oh dear me!
There's another girl on this thread whose temper is even more Irish than
yours, Lassy.
you know that one little scne is the reaon my mother doesnt like this movie
too much. she doesnt mind it except for that one scene. heehee! she doesnt like
any clark gable movies or Duke movies, b/c they can get so "violent" on their
leading ladies, usually slapping or spanking them to get them into shape....i think
that is hilarious!
Violent?! I think the spanking at the end of Donovan's Reef is very playful.
It's bedroom fun.
movie magic does wonders. heehee! whoever thought a graveyard would be
romantic?
That "killed" me, T! Graveyard romances are a favorite of mine.
Good Evenin', Sni--ckerdoodle! -- I don't know where to look!!!! First I had to
stop laughing long enough to type this---that's another hilarious scene---and the line:
"You have a mean Irish temper--and I love it." Ha Haaaaa!
The Duke knows that feisty, full o' spunk gals are the most fun.
And you actually got the John Wayne/John Ford box set???
No, I just got She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. The box set wasn't available at my
Borders, so I just got She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.
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I'm nowhere near being in either lady's league.
Sez you.
That really does depend. Guys tend to be
I'm guessing I'll like Fort Apache because of Fonda but I'm not sure about She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. Rio Grande is going to be very tough to top because of my love for Maureen O'Hara.
The Searchers - Speculation?
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Nope. I just keep turning up like a bad penny. I'm no Ethan- I can't stay away for three minutes, let alone three years....
I'm glad you are here. Your presence spruces up the place. There's a lot of riff-raff around here.
I forgot in my last post that one of my favorite characters in the movie is Figueroa (Antonio Moreno)- the Mexican trader(?) who has seen Deborah with "Cicatriz". At first Figueroa seems like another Futterman- ready to take money for information, and then to betray them. But instead, Figueroa, realizing the hatred between Ethan and Scar, leaves without taking the reward. He wants no part of the "blood money". I really like this character because he gives you hope that the world is not filled with hateful and corrupt men. He is quite a high class guy....
Very nicely said. Yet another hopeful, albeit small, character. Your words reminded me of The Man of the West. There's a scene in the film where a Mexican man returns to town to find out that his wife has been murdered. We only hear his reaction to finding her dead. It's a very touching "throwaway" moment that serves as a reminder of the price of violence.
I just love those pics of Laurie and Marty!
Thanks! I had to be selfish. I can never get enough of Laurie's brand of love.
I love the way Laurie just looks bowled over in the first kiss, then stands agawp with her mouth open in shock, then practically crushes Martin's face she smooches him so hard!
It's a playground moment to me and I just love playground romance. Marty is very shy about his kissing Laurie. For him, this is a very big step. He feels as if he's being bold. So after he kisses her, he awaits to see how she reacts to his "bold" move. Yes, just like Laurie's Pa, Marty ain't too sharp. He's clueless when it comes to Laurie's great feelings for him.
Laurie, on the other hand, is absolutely shocked that her Marty just took the initiative and kissed her first. Her shock will quickly turn to sheer joy and excitement. She promptly pounces on Marty. I just love her overpowering, enthusiastic love.