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Can you name the Bette and Joan films that were featured in What Ever Happened to Baby Jane? in the following caps?:
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Hey, Rich! -- Frank, that screen cap is from Flight to Tangier. That's Jack Palance on the left, Corinne Calvet driving, and Joan Fontaine in the back seat.
Oh wait, is it No Country for Old Men?
Correct on both accounts, Friend-O. Nicely done! I apologize for not replying to you sooner.
Ciao, Divertente Di! -- I've never been able to watch The Last Picture Show. Something about it puts me to sleep every time.
I really like The Last Picture Show.
So I beg you -- what was the reasoning behind Bogdanovich's choice of films?
Both films are centered around a father figure and The Last Picture Show features a strong father figure in Sam the Lion (Ben Johnson). Sam represents the old days and his death signals an end to such days gone by. It's a very "western" moment.
When I saw The Woman in the Window on the marquee for some odd reason I immediately thought of you. Go figure!
Thanks, Di! That's very nice of you to say. Who do you think I'm gonna be thinking of when I FINALLY watch Thieves' Highway?
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Hola, ButterscotchGRACE -- well im sorry, i dont mean to!! do you hate me now or what?
Now how could hate you and your puppy dog eyes? I merely dislike you with a passion.
Do you know where Mrs. Cooper went, Meanie Mint? I'm starting to get worried. The last I heard, she was hanging curtains in the Thunderdome.
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Hola, Jackie F! -- Hi Frankie! Glad to see you're behaving yourself. I didn't want to have to crack the whip.
Ooooh, I love Mr. and Mrs. Smith! They are perfectly matched and should stay together FOREVER. I love Robert Montgomery- he's not too good and not too bad- just enough bad boy to be really attractive....and Lombard is perfection. I love that she can always make fun of herself.
Forever? That's a long time.
I love Carole Lombard in Mr. and Mrs. Smith. It's one of my favorite performances by an actress.
Shouldn't that read, "never argue with a woman"?
You are the first man I ever met to understand that........
Understanding and acknowledging are two different things.
I really enjoyed the names of Jenna's crazy pies- ?I-Don?t-Want-Earl?s-Baby Pie?; ?I-Hate-My-Husband Pie?; and ?Falling-in-Love Pie?.
That made me laugh. I've heard very good things about Waitress. Keri Russell looks lovely.
The Wallace and Gromit pics were brilliant.
Hiya, ButterscotchGreer! -- You know how to get to this guy's heart mighty fast. Thanks for the Better Off Dead pics, Monique!
no frankie, jackie is a perfect sweetheart to me thank you very much! dont you say a word to her! heehee!
So you say Jackie is a sweetheart and Jackie says Whistlin Gypsy is a sweetheart. There's a lot of sweethearts around here. Too bad you're not one of them, T.
Thanks, darlin'! I can behave sometimes. Ummm, once in a great while.
GREAT is the key word darlin;....in a great while. heehee! now if i can get you to post some valley of decision pics. heehee!
I don't have The Valley of Decision on DVD or I would have posted the horrible Mary Rafferty breaking Paul Scott's heart.
You didn't mention Grace! I guess it's just a given that she's your favorite actress.
who's grace? oh you mean miss impassive when next to gary? oh yeah i know who youre talking about. heehee! to answer your question, orrather statement, no!
She's a Quaker! That poor, sweet, little lambchop is merely a proper Quaker.
You're not a floozy. You're too sweet to be a floozy. No, there's only one floozy
around these parts.
oh okay then in regards to the first two sentences.......youre forgiven, but to the last sentence, youre a meanie!!
This thread is "loaded" with some party girls who gulp more so than sip. The Floozy is a major gulper.
I did make you something, Tipsy T:
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Ohh, for goodness sake. I cannot believe you actually cry in your dreams, too. For a girl who wants to drown guys in chocolate, you're such an emotional girl.
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Way to go! You even resized them. I'm just stunned that your first caps were not of Coop. It's a miracle!
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I'd much rather watch your dreams than a Coop film.
I don't think you're old enough to watch some of my dreams.
Yes, you are very correct about that. I'm most definitely a very sweet and innocent guy. I'd go as far to say I'm the sweetest and most innocent guy on this board. Wouldn't you agree? I?m telling you, I wonder about myself sometimes ? ha!
Sometimes?! Sigh.
Okay, most of the time.
That's much better. I'd start to worry about you if you were only "sometimes."
I'm not the only one having crazy dreams about him though. Just ask Theresa about her overall fetish.
You've RUINED HER! This is awful news. Do you know much time and energy I have spent trying to keep Sweet T away from you and the other "A" girl? I'm gonna go have a good cry now.
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Hey, ButterscotchGLORIA (
) -- i thought she was the cutest thing in Oklahoma as Ado annie!!! i love that song she sings, "i'm just a girl, who can't say no..." heehee! its too cute!!That's the Gloria I love!
thats interesting! i thought you didnt like musicals. oh excuse me, since gloria is in it, you absolutley love it. am i right? heehee!
I've never seen Oklahoma! but the Gloria I love says, "I'm just a girl who can't say no."
oh i think you need to see her in The Glass Wall. she is great in that one. i dont think Merton of the Movies is your kind of movie, frankie, but i dunno you might like The Greates Show on Earth. its pretty good!
Thanks, girl! I'm gonna try to check them out. Gloria is an actress that I do look for when the TCM schedule is announced.
The Greatest Show on Earth is airing on Thursday, March 27th at 3:00 PM (EST). But the Gloria film that I really want to see is on Friday, March 28th at 11:15 AM (EST) -- A Woman's Secret, which is directed by her talented then-husband, Nick Ray. The film also stars an actress I'm starting to fall for, Maureen O'Hara.
yes i have seen both Human Desire and In a Lonely Place. i ddnt mind seeing them, but they arent my favorites of hers.i did think they were rathering interesting though. i thought she looked rather gorgeous in both though.
Those are my two very favorite Gloria performances to date.
Hi, Buffalo Chuck! -- Well, I think the PIX IS WORTH 1000 WORDS formula has been blown up. I don't think I've seen 5 pix that could be exponentially valued like those, FrankG. I think GG's status is perfectly captured in those.
I wasn't even thinking of that when I posted those caps, but you are very right. Those caps capture Gloria's mystique perfectly. Thanks for pointing that out. By the way, has Ollie returned from his "vacation" yet? I'm thinking he's run off with your share of the loot.
This is one of my very favorite film entrances of all time
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I had another crazy Gary dream the other night. Me and two other girls
Say what?!!!
Here?s the kicker though, me and this other girl were trying to figure out what to do with the extra Gary?s. Please, I?m pretty sure I could think of something
. I'd much rather watch your dreams than a Coop film. I?m telling you, I wonder about myself sometimes ? ha!
Sometimes?! Sigh.
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I don't know, I never thought about that. I'm sure she would have gotten bored with Ashley so maybe Rhett, or anyone, would start to look good.
We're back to your, "we always want what we can't have." If Scarlett gets to have what she wants will she eventually no longer want it? Is the want and chase of Ashley what really turns her on or is it actually Ashley?
If you mean by "in the first place" Ashley being her first and only husband---I'm even less sure of what she'd do. Rhett might never cross her path again in that case; everything would have been different.
This is true. Scarlett's availability kept her in Rhett's scope. I'm not sure Rhett would have pursued Scarlett if she were married to Ashley.
Or maybe she would have found a way to make the marriage work, like her Pa did with his Ellen. He adored Ellen because he kept her on a pedestal. I'm not sure if Scarlett would keep Ashley on one for long once she lived with him.
Scarlett would no longer be blind to Ashley's faults if they were married. She only sees all that there is good about Ashley and she focuses too much on all there is bad about Rhett.
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She'll always be selfish and it will have to be all about her
Ahem.
Yes, I'm teasing you! She seems to like making money more than making love, anyway.
I agree with that. But what I think she really likes is making trouble.
Do you think Scarlett would have been turned on by Rhett all the more if Ashley married her in the first place? In otherwords, would Rhett have become the object of desire she wished to possess if she already possessed Ashley?
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Happy Easter, Kylefornia! -- "That was quite apropos after our little conversation on this thread the other night."
Whatever do you mean? You're not trying to drag me into your faux fights, are you?
'Cause I have my own foe lately and, sadly, there's nothing faux about it.
Faux fights? Ohhh no, they are very real and very imagined, just as yours are. Think about it.
The Our Modern Maidens poster is yet another spectacular posting by you. Very timely, for many reasons.
Thanks again for this fascinating thread and for the intended and unintended humor attached to it. But did you ever expect riff-raff would frequent your establishment?
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I used to be in no doubt about it, so high was my confidence in Scarlett's ability to get what she wants and for the first time, she'll really be conciously and concertedly wanting Rhett. However, like I said, men like him usually avoid entanglements with women like her so he may have had enough. Had Bonnie lived, it would of course been different.
I'm currently of the thinking they would get together again after some time passes. Why? Because, believe it or not, Scarlett is the kind of woman a guy has a real hard time getting out of his system. I'd see Rhett returning to his old ways for a little while but the second Scarlett showed up again, he'd get that "male challenge" urge. She's irresistible that way.
The biggest question for me is, can Scarlett truly love Rhett or any one man? She is so caught up in herself and her impulsive desires and wants that I'm not sure she can truly commit to love.
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Thanks for the poster for The Devil is a Woman, Kyle! That was quite apropos after our little conversation on this thread the other night. Ironically, I've been called the same (the devil) by some around here.
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I'm sure I don't know what you mean! :0
I'm sure you don't.
So, Miss Epilogue, do you believe Rhett and Scarlett reconnect? If "yes," how so?
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Yes, she's very catlike---she only likes to petted when she wants it, and when that is, is anybody's guess.
That sounds all too familiar.
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No, I haven't seen Pandora and the Flying Dutchman. I really haven't seen many Ava films at all. Your description of the film is alluring to me.
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Pas de quoi.
lol, yes Frank, we all know that about you. So what movie contains your favorite "tortured romance"?
You should know that -- Vertigo. Peter Ibbetson and Portrait of Jennie are my next favorites.
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Wartime romance always feels heightened and more intense---because they have so little time.
More "all girl." Wartime romance is more dramatic because of what you say -- the urgency of the situation and the deadly fear of losing one's love. The stakes are higher. Of course, my favorite kind of romance is tortured.
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Ha!
I'm sorry to disagree about disagreeing, but I wouldn't have Scarlett any other way. She always makes me laugh when she's being particularly mean or selfish and then Vivien had just enough of that childlike quality to take the edge off. She's quite a refreshing character in many ways, not the least because her witchyness is more petulant and childish than "tough" or intimidating. This is also what turns many people off about her.
Precisely. I find Scarlett to be very likable because she's not "edgy." Viv's delivery is magnificent. Her facial expressions, head movements, and overall "bounciness" makes Scarlett lovable to me. That's why she's one of my favorite characters of all time.
The audience that embraces her, sees her as Rhett saw her, and what he saw in Bonnie---something to be spoiled and petted, until the war "had done things to her".
Scarlett is something to be spoiled, pet, and SPANKED. I don't think Scarlett likes to be pet, though.
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Ohhh, no. I'm headed towards agreement. This is NOT how it's supposed to be. I really need to push some buttons.
She doesn't see what's really going on inside her and him. In the book, Mitchell makes it plain Scarlett is obtuse about such things, that's her weakness. It also points out her girlish daydreams about Ashley, like he is some kind of white knight out of a story book. That's why Rhett offends her---she sees him as the opposite of all her romantic ideals. The truth is, Rhett is like her Pa and she adores him because he accepts her as she is.
Actually, what you just described is there with Viv's performance. At least I recognize it as such. Ashley is definitely presented as a white knight and Scarlett is mostly impulse when it comes to her feelings, especially with Rhett. I think she does have some self-reflective moments in other aspects of her life, especially when she is very down and out.
Rhett also wants what he can't have.
This is very true. I think he wants to tame Scarlett and she's not to be tamed.
This is the only qualm I have about this relationship, as it's conceived. Men like him usually don't get so wound up in women who are just like they are---they're usually afraid of them and prefer to either keep them in their place (back then, in the brothels) or avoid them in preference for the more reserved and polite type.
I definitely agree with that. I don't see a "Rhett" having the patience to deal with a "Scarlett." It's actually an "Ashley" who would have a shot with her. "Scarletts" are the toughest girls because they are never, ever satisified.
I asked myself today if I would like Gone with the Wind if Scarlett wasn't so childish and my answer was "no." Scarlett's emotional outbursts make the film for me. Maybe this is where we may find some disagreement.
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I don't think Robert Mitchum agreed.
What did he know about kissing women in film? Please.
As for Rhett, he is much wiser about the truth about things, than Scarlett is.
That's for sure. Rhett isn't into playing games and Scarlett is one big game.
I think, too, he was proud and whenever she was on her high horse he wouldn't give her the satisfaction of admitting how deeply his feeling went. She gets under his skin to a degree that, as you say, he's not used to.
That's the love/hate feeling that has taken hold of Rhett. He loves Scarlett's fire but he also hates the fiery stubbornness that comes with it.
The reason why I love the "you're not going to turn me out" scene is because Rhett does something he doesn't want to do -- be overly forceful with Scarlett. He violates her. Scarlett ends up loving the fire and passion behind Rhett's drunken sexual aggression. Rhett, on the other hand, feels awful about what he did to Scarlett, so he apologizes to her the next morning. This disappoints Scarlett.
Rhett can never get on the same page with Scarlett. Most of the time, Scarlett doesn't allow him to do so. She just loves to be difficult. And, deep down, I think she loves the push-pull relationship with Rhett.
Much of what I observe between them is also informed by the novel---in the beginning and for a long time after, Scarlett really is not aware yet how attracted she is to him, and is constantly repulsed by what she considers his "coarseness". What she doesn't want to accept is that she's just as coarse (like her Pappy) when all she wants is to be like her Mother (ladylike). That's why Rhett calls her a "little hypocrite".
That's interesting. I have never read the book and I have only seen the film once, so Scarlett and Rhett's relationship is all new to me. I think Scarlett's attraction to Rhett is very raw. Rhett is very much like a "devil" to her. I also believe your "we always want what we can't have" is what's truly behind her attraction to Ashley. It's as if Scarlett cannot believe Ashley or any man wouldn't want to be with her. Rhett's want to be with Scarlett probably hurts him. She'd probably like him more if he didn't care about her so much.
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You're doing just fine!
Enjoy it while it lasts.
I love "Pilar" too---she's some woman, in fact, she's more like 10 women! Fierce and proud and sensible.
"Fierce and proud and sensible." Ooohhh, I liked that. It's rare one can be sensible while also being fierce (and proud). They usually end up doing each other in.
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