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*MOD has some very funny moments. As Ro said, it's a remake of* *My Favorite Wife and was originally Marilyn's movie (entitled* *Something's Got to Give), with Dean Martin in Garner's role but then tragedy struck.* I didn't know any of that. I've yet to see *My Favorite Wife*. *I'll take a look. I think the only Rohmer movie I've seen is Claire's Knee, a long time ago.* I love the scenarios and the truth behind Rohmer's films. Love the examination.

*He's a likable actor, I agree and I find it hard not to find him agreeable in most everything.* "Likable" is a really good adjective for Rock Hudson. That's how I feel about him as a performer. *Leaving out the musical ones:* *1. Teacher's Pet* *2. Lover, Come Back!* *3. Pillow Talk* *4. Send Me No Flowers* *5. That Touch of Mink* *6. Move Over Darling* *7. Please Don't Eat the Daisies* *8. With Six You Get an Eggroll (the only reason I can stand to watch it is because Doris' leading man is Brian Keith. Their kids are so obnoxious. In fact I don't like Doris' kids in any of her movies.)* *9. The Thrill of it All* *10. It Happened to Jane* *11. The Glass Bottom Boat* *12. Do Not Disturb* *13. The Tunnel of Love* Nicely done! So it looks like I've seen the best, although I'm still curious to see *Move Over, Darling*. What I saw of *The Tunnel of Love* was painful. I've been watching some Eric Rohmer and I've been mesmerized by what I've seen. I love his "man and woman." I've watched the first two of "Six Moral Tales." If anyone wishes to watch them, here are the links: The Bakery Girl of Monceau (23 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2B6XC4EaA Suzanne's Career (54 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiTUng46WXE&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0C04CF004E85A084 Also, I've watched these two shorts: Charlotte and Her Steak (12 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3rnObbMX1U Nadja in Paris (13 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3cdLjQ_Fac

Good day to you, Quiet Gal -- *Yeah.. he did worry about what she was going to think.. but I still think that was his male pride showing. I think he wanted her to love him.. and he may have even THOUGHT he was in love with her.. but it was really more his own sick sort of imitation of what he thought love was (and it more or less centered around him.. even when it was about her).* You make a very good point. He wanted her love more so than loving her, and that's a big distinction. And, as a rule, I think men can be very guilty of this. *But I freely admit others may not see it that way. I confess I have a pretty narrow definition of the "L" word (when it comes to husbands and wives and romance) and the way he was acting is not on the list.* I'd say the situation blurs a lot. The treatment of a loved one makes us believe the love isn't existent when it really is. *Only if the man really.. really REALLY deserved it. ha. :pYou know.. like if he was a whining weasel self-absorbed combination bully/coward. ha. * So that's what it is! I'm too much of a whining weasel, self-absorbed bully/coward!

*I think Margot could give even Sigmund Freud a run for his money. She seemed basically contemptuous but also envious of all men for their "powerful", predatory ways.* That's superb, Bronxie. I find what you say to be very representative of the modern woman. She is quite the conundrum. *But Frank and Miss G., I just couldn't work up any sympathy for her the first time I saw the movie.* I'm with ya. I love Joan's performance but I don't care for Margot one bit. What's so interesting about the film is that it basically ends with the "long walk" for Margot. If you'd see the end of the film before the entire film, you would think the focus would have been on her. It's really interesting. The contemplative nature of the film is definitely the main draw for me.

*Of those I have seen (and not including musicals.) I think :"Teacher's Pet" and "Pillow Talk" are among her best. "Lover Come Back" and "The Thrill of it All" follow close behind and then, for me, come "It Happened to Jane" and "Please Don't Eat The Daisies." The late comedies don't do much for me.* *"Pajama Game" I have not seen though it is my Netfix queue.* So we're pretty much on the same page. I do find the the late-50s, early-60s comedies that star Doris to be very relaxing and quite enjoyable.

*He really had a flair for comedy. I've enjoyed him in all the comedies I've seen.* I pretty much like Rock Hudson. He's stiff as a board, but I still find him interesting. He does have a warmth to him. *It is, I think they were the last series of really sparkling comedies Hollywood made.* What about Mel Brooks? Back in the 60s, you could hint at sex, but today you get clubbed over the head with it in comedies. Disrespect is now seen as hilarious. *I laughed so hard at how she literally drank Rock under the table, and the next day he said even his hair hurt. Then there's Tony Randall, so good as always. "You can't leave New York for all that fresh air! New York has air you can really sink your teeth into!"* Tony is so very good in these comedies. He's a major ingredient in the formula. *The whole thing with Rex Stetson seems inspired by The Awful Truth and Bellamy's cowboy lover.* That could very well be. How would you rank the Doris comedies you've seen?

Good evening, Bronxie -- *I was under the impression Margaret was physically abused by an impotent Francis on their honeymoon. Isn't that what she implies/reveals to Wilson at the end? I haven't seen this movie in a long while and will probably watch it again on YouTube. Remember being very impressed with Joan's performance.* Hey, you're right! I completely missed that one line. It's very subtle but it says a heckuva lot. I'm glad you pointed that out. So Francis' self-hate and needing to show he's a man actually stems from his impotency. That definitely makes sense to me. And Margot goes on to say Francis created her hatred of him through his acts of self-hatred. This really does create a sympathy for Margot.

How do, Ma Stone -- *You are spot on,sir. I think that is it in a nutshell. What's love go to do (got to do) with it? :)Not much, in fact I don't think any of the three of them loved anyone but themself. I imagine at one time or another each of them might have THOUGHT they were in love with SOMEBODY.. but really, it was just desire dressed up to look like love (at least to their own way of thinking) But reallyh, there was nothing but self love going on.. and a whole lot of it, as far as the eye could see.* I'm not sure about that. I'm of the belief that Francis truly loved Margot. I think he really wanted to be the man she wanted him to be more for her sake than his own. He mentioned to Wilson a couple times about how Margot was going to view him after he ran. It was always about Margot. *Did you notice how she taunted Franics with her bedtime rituals.. getting herself all made up complete with fancy night gown and perfume.. and then completely ignoring him and pretending to fall asleep, letting him know she was "hands off" to him. It was like a "power" game to her.. getting herself "all dressed up" and leaving HIM with "no place to go"* That's sensational! Great catch! That's just fictional though, right? There's no way a woman would ever do this to a man, right? Right? Right?! But you're right on it. It's always a power game with Margot. Not just with Francis, but also Wilson.

*That's really good! I think you liked this movie. * I think I had the same reaction to the film as you do, at least initially. It left me cold. I'm always fascinated by man/woman and relationships, so the film captivated me on that level. But there were elements in the film that I just didn't go for. It's the difference between Hemingway and Tennessee Williams, I believe. If this was Williams, I'd probably love it. But the discussion about the film has helped me to appreciate the film more. That's usually what happens to me, hence my love of talking movies with everyone. It really helps bring my feelings to the surface while also helping me see things I didn't see or understand. *So if all that's the case, what do you think would have happened, say, if Wilson and Margot ended up together, married? Of course, they probably wouldn't have...I imagine Wilson would have come to his senses at the mention of marriage.* At the end of the film, it seemed like Wilson was fishing to find out how Margot truly was. He wanted to know what kind of woman she really was. I think he had lost his way. She captured him. The smartest and most responsible of people can come undone by attraction. You get the feeling Wilson was just like Francis with big game hunting but with Woman. Aimee, the smartest person in the film, knew this about Wilson. I think Wilson spent most of his time running away from commitment out of fear. *but if they had, do you think he would have ended up just like Macomber? weak and beaten down? Is interaction with Margot an immediate trip to hell this way?* A femme fatale! Yes! That's great, Jackie. I do think Wilson would have become just like Francis, just in a different way. Where they would have been the same is the self-hate. Wilson was willing to throw away his entire existence for Margot. When you do that, you lose your self-respect and that will eventually lead to self-hate. You have to keep who you are. But most of us fall victim to losing our lids over love. *(Of course, some people see this as the way all marriages end up.... )* I certainly wouldn't know! I tend to be an idealist with love and marriage. Maybe that's why I'm single. I think marriage needs to feature daily love-making. And that has very little to do with the act.

*When a woman goes bad, men go right after her....* So that's why the guys are constantly chasing you!

Howdy, SueSue -- *Frank, men AND women are such fools when it comes to love. That's what makes life so interesting!* And painful!

*For some the question is when to be in charge. It's cliche but true that you have to pick your battles. Pick the right ones and you still might have some sway over things.* The hardest part is picking the right One! There are some women you'll never win with. I know of one! *She may look at Francis as her own failing. She wants a strong man but maybe to validate her choice of him. That's not going to happen though.* That's terrific, Movieman! I like that. So we not only get male self-hate in this film, we also get some female self-hate. She's just as weak as Francis because she can't kill the lion, either. *The thing about the illegal chase scene is that she knows it. She asks the right questions with just enough bite to hint she knows. Francis is at least that smart but only about that smart.* That's excellent, too! Why must women be so smart and sneaky?! *I'm a little surprised that Francis and Margot didn't try to shoot each other much earlier. (Of course, you have a different film.)* I think Francis truly loves Margot and she loves to hate him.

Hi, Kingrat -- *When Leonard Maltin introduced this film at the festival, he said he thought Zoltan Korda was a much underrated director. By the way we're all so involved with the characters in The Macomber Affair, it seems like we agree.* This was my very first Korda film, so I really don't know if he's underrated or not. But you're very right, I did find the film and topic matter to be quite compelling. *Frank, I had to laugh when you put in quotes that Wilson is "in love" with Margot, because I had the same reaction at that line in the film: "love" isn't exactly what I'd call it, either.* Yeah, it sure ain't love. But I suppose sailors actually think they are in love with sirens. *A lot of Hemingway criticism talks about his "code heroes." There's a way things are done, and the hero either follows the code instinctively or learns how to do it, and one doesn't talk about it.* I never knew that about Hemingway. That's quite fascinating. *The Macomber Affair* is certainly loaded with the "Code." Lots of "a man doesn't do that," especially when it comes to conversing. Guys really do have a ton of unwritten rules. *Gregory Peck is sometimes a little stolid, and that actually works to his and our advantage here because he's so much the kind of man who does what ought to be done and what ought not to be talked about.* I thought he was terrific. He's the performer in the film that interested me the most, which is saying a lot, since Joan Bennett is my second favorite actress. And I do mean performer, not character. I do love Peck's style. And, as you say, it really does fit a character like Wilson. *The moment when Francis hits the servant came as a real shock and altered my impressions of him,* It's very shocking, but my reaction to it was similar to CineMaven's. I saw it as more self-hate than anything. And heck, I'd probably flip out if a guy why was smiling at me when I'm that down. And the truth is, he was also attacking Margot via proxy. Now if he actually abused Margot, we'd really have a different feeling about him. *just as Margot's comments at the end altered my feelings about her.* In what way did your view of her change? *Wouldn't Robert Preston and Joan Bennett have done a good job in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? The Macomber marriage is somewhat like that.* That's great! I definitely didn't think to compare the two, but the similarities are right there.

Hi, Konway -- I've seen the first three seasons of Alfred Hitchcock Presents, but I only ranked seasons two and three. Here's my list: 1. Fog Closing In (2-2) 5/5 2. Toby (2-6) 5 3. A Little Sleep (2-38) 5 4. My Brother, Richard (2-17) 4 5. Crackpot (2-15) 4 6. The Foghorn (3-24) 4 7. The Crocodile Case (3-34) 4 8. Wet Saturday (2-1) 4 9. De Mortuis (2-3) 4 10. The Canary Sedan (3-37) 4 11. Lamb to the Slaughter (3-28) 4 12. The Glass Eye (3-1) 4 13. Crack of Doom (2-9) 4 14. John Brown's Body (2-14) 4 15. Nightmare in 4-D (2-16) 4 16. Reward to Finder (3-6) 4 17. One for the Road (2-23) 4 18. The Motive (3-17) 4 19. Enough Rope for Two (3-7) 4 20. The Percentage (3-14) 4 21. The Equalizer (3-19) 3 22. The Return of the Hero (3-22) 3 23. Together (3-15) 3 24. A Bottle of Wine (2-19) 3 25. One More Mile to Go (2-28) 3 26. The Night the World Ended (2-31) 3 27. The Dangerous People (2-39) 3 28. Father and Son (2-36) 3 29. The Rose Garden (2-12) 3 30. The Deadly (3-11) 3 31. Disappearing Trick (3-27) 3 32. Miss Paisley's Cat (3-12) 3 33. The Young One (3-9) 3 34. Guest for Breakfast (3-21) 3 35. Post Mortem (3-33) 3 36. Heart of Gold (3-4) 3 37. On the Nose (3-20) 3 38. The Right Kind of House (3-23) 3 39. The Mail Order Prophet (3-2) 3 40. The End of Indian Summer (2-22) 3 41. The Manacled (2-18) 3 42. Mr. Blanchard's Secret (2-13) 3 43. Last Request (3-8) 3 44. Little White Frock (3-39) 3 45. Sylvia (3-16) 3 46. Flight to the East (3-25) 3 47. The Impromptu Murder (3-38) 3 48. The Better Bargain (2-11) 3 50. 49. Night of the Execution (3-13) 3 51. Death Sentence (3-30) 3 52. I Killed the Count/Part One (2-25) 2 53. Silent Witness (3-5) 2 54. The Safe Place (3-36) 2 55. The Perfect Crime (3-3) 2 56. Conversation over a Corpse (2-8) 2 57. None Are So Blind (2-5) 2 58. Kill with Kindness (2-4) 2 59. Jonathan (2-10) 2 60. The Cream of the Jest (2-24) 2 61. Vicious Circle (2-29) 2 62. Malice Domestic (2-20) 2 63. I Killed the Count/Part Two (2-26) 2 64. A Man Greatly Beloved (2-33) 2 65. The Festive Season (3-31) 2 66. The Diplomatic Corpse (3-10) 2 67. I Killed the Count/Part Three (2-27) 2 68. Martha Mason, Movie Star (2-34) 2 69. Alibi Me (2-7) 2 70. The Hands of Mr. Ottermole (2-32) 1 71. The Three Dreams of Mr. Findlater (2-30) 1 72. Dip in the Pool (3-35) 1 73. Miss Bracegirdle Does Her Duty (3-18) 1 74. The Indestructible Mr. Weems (2-37) 1 75. The West Warlock Time Capsule (2-35) 1 76. Bull in a China Shop (3-26) 1 77. Fatal Figures (3-29) 1 78. Listen, Listen.....! (3-32) 1 79. Number Twenty-Two (2-21) 1

I see the attraction to be animalistic. It's more of the masculine approach to "love." It's our natural instinct. Societal and cultural influences suppress the natural instinct. Wilson is in charge when he is doing the hunting. He loses control when he's the hunted. Aimee (Jean Gillie) knows this about him. He's just as weak as Francis when it comes to woman. He keeps this in check by keeping women at a certain distance. But once a woman gets close to him, he loses all his strength and senses. Francis even points this out to Wilson when he recklessly admits to Margot that he could lose his license over what he's done. Francis then says something to the effect of, "now she has something to hold over you, too." I see Margot's midnight rendezvous as a challenge to Francis more than anything else. She wants him to do something about it, but she figures he won't because it means he must show strength. Margot is constantly challenging Francis to be a man. Margot (woman) is interesting because she is often being told what to do, to stay where she is. She's seen as weak and powerless. She seemingly wants Francis to take charge, to be a "man," yet it's also her worst nightmare. Margot knows the power she possesses and she is very much stimulated by it. The look she gives Wilson when he first compliments her is priceless. Margot shifts her eyes with a knowing look of potential power. The idea of Wilson wanting her gives her the power she is seeking. She then starts to use this power with "Red Face." We men love to think we are the ones in charge in this jungle. That we are the strong and powerful. We are such fools.

*Right, he doesn't clown or mug, it's his matter of fact serious tone that has me rolling.* Exactly. Almost all of his lines are delivered with a serious sincerity but we all know he's full of it. It's a funny watch. *You said it perfectly, she doesn't realize at first what the real meaning is and when she catches it she reacts so funnily.* You can just feel her embarrassment. I love how "in control" she thinks she is when she's nothing of the sort. But then the tables are always reversed by the end. It's a fun formula. *Ha! He knows her "number" in more ways than one.* He really does. But he has insider info on her whereas she's completely in the dark. *I liked Thelma Ritter's character, too. She really adds to the film's stature.* She's superb, as always. You would just know that Alma (Thelma... great character name) would love to listen to Brad (Rock) on the party line. Her entire hungover bit was really good, too. *Rock is basically playing both Cary Grant and Ralph Bellamy.* Wow! That's excellent! You're right!

*Good taste! For a change. * I always have good taste! You're the one who needs changing! *He's great at it. Very, very funny.* I love how he makes serious funny. *Ha, yes the objectionable party line guy. Her exchange with the phone company man was hilarious. Doris is one of the funniest reactors in the business. "Yes. I mean, no!"* When Doris is caught in a double entendre, it really works. She's wonderful with it all. She really is a sweetheart. *"Rex Stetson", the name is hilarious.* That really is hilarious. Big Texas oil. I just love how annoyed she gets with him and his silly song that he plays for the women. She's steaming. And then she falls for one of his bits, too. It's wonderful.

*What's the line at the beginning? A woman would do anything.....* Uh-huh. Ahhhh, Jean Gillie. She says it all!

Hiya, Movieman -- *I just watched "It Happened To Jane." Pleasant but not great. It certainly isn't "Teacher's Pet" or "Pillow Talk." Jack Lemmon and Doris make a nice couple though.* *(My friends who brought it to watch were astounded I'd never seen it.)* I've yet to see that one, myself. What year is it from? How would you rank the Doris comedies you have seen?

*No* *Teacher's Pet? :(That one's my favorite.* Oh, crap! That's easily my favorite Doris comedy. It's one of my favorite classic comedies of all. *Oh, that would have been fun for you to see on the big screen.* Yeah, I think it would have been. I just love seeing Rock being a cad. *Why do you like it best?* I love it when Rock is lying to Doris in their comedies. This one just seemed to be the best of the bunch. I also love seeing Doris get so angry. She does this very early on. I also love it when Rock knows what peeves Doris and he plays this up to his advantage. Love the duality. I also love the sexuality of these films.

*That sounds more like "I'm sorry and I won't ever let it happen again". I think he was in a cycle of acting out and repenting.. and when things were going well for him.. he really DID feel the way he said at the end. (just wanting an even break) but when things got tough.. he'd break and run.. or hide behind his own frustration and start slapping servants and "little people" just to make himself feel better.* Margaret tells Miller that Francis would always tell her "all I want is an even break," and that's what Francis tells Miller. He's still in the cycle you speak of. *Yeah.. but a lion lives in the jungle because he is a lion.. and the hunter is the one CHOOSING to hunt him. He chose to let himself be the lion. My sympathy only extends so far.* You're right, he's hunting the lioness and he's placed himself in danger by hunting the lioness. *Women Uh huh.. I know.. can't live with 'em.. just can't shoot 'em. (but watch out.. because they CAN shoot you!) * In the back! Women! And I agree with Jackie, I think there's a lot of subconscious in this film. I believe the final act is this. We see Margaret practicing shooting, alone, before they leave.

*Did you like* *Pillow Talk better than* *Lover, Come Back...I seem to remember you didn't care for that one as much.* Yes, *Pillow Talk* is now my favorite of the Doris comedies I have seen: 1. Pillow Talk 2. That Touch of Mink 3. Send Me No Flowers 4. Lover Come Back I really enjoyed it. And I just found out it played at Hershey just recently. But I don't have anyone to go with, anyways.

THEY WON'T BELIEVE ME OR THAT YOU LIKED THE GUY SPOILER *She was very sweet.* I never thought those words would be used with Jane Greer. *You'd have loved him if it was Richard Widmark stealing from Greta's purse and socking her!* Yes! That would be exciting! At least Harry was trying to become something! And he did become something! So much so that he scared the bigwigs into squashing him! He even dies for Mary! Look at what your precious Larry does. He makes it seem like his wife is killed in an accident and then covers up the truth about the deaths of two women. He was looking to kill his wife! Dreadful! You can have him!

*Jackie.. I don't know if he was changed forever or not. I am on the fence for sure.* "All I want is an even break." *And what about Wilson. He is the one I have the hardest time figuring out.. and yet he SHOULD have been the easiest.* He's the hunter. He's the single guy out in the jungle. But he's placing himself in danger because he "loves" Margaret (Joan Bennett). Now he's on the other side of the hunt. Women. Brave man is afraid of a lion three times: When he first sees its track, when it first hears its roar, when it first looks it in the eye.

*I would have to see the movie again, I honestly never remember the ending. I've seen it twice and the last time I was surprised by the ending. For me the movie ends before that, but I'm very hazy on it. I remember loving it both times.* I wish the movie would have ended before the ship! *It was a very romantic gesture.* What was? *The actor or the character?* Both. I'm not a Young fan and the character didn't interest me. *It's a strange character. he's no choir boy yet, like Jackie, I find Young mostly agreeable. However, he never did much for me. I used to confuse him with Robert Montgomery, until I found out how much better I like Montgomery. * That's who I see him as. He's a lesser Bobby. *Greta and Verna (Susan Hayward) reminded me of eachother, in that both really loved the guy and were both kind of go-getters, and managers. Which is what he with his innate laziness seemed to respond best to. Left to his own devices he only got into trouble.* That's a really interesting point. I never thought of that. You're definitely right. *Jane's Janice was much too good for him and expected too much. She wouldn't be an enabler, she'd have expected him to do right without her manipulating him into it and that's impossible with him.* You're right. She seemed to want a real relationship, one where it was shared. Jane was very cute, rather girlish. *What I like about the movie is that we go through all that and at the end I still feel sorry for him when he judges himself.* Oh, really? I wanted to push him out the window.