CineMaven

Hey trekkie girl: "...you are dealing with characters such as Martha Ivers, for example, you don't really think of her as beautiful because the character is so ugly in the inside." You make perfect sense. Tierney was exquisite and in good company with the ladies you name (Bergman, Lamarr etc.). But I was trying to speak to your statement, which I've quoted above. I still think of Tierney as beautiful even though her character (in "Leave Her to Heaven") is so pathetically ugly on the inside.

Glad to help Clive. (My pix of Kubrick past & present have been deleted). But go easy on the babbling and rambling. Don't get Fred ****.

A tisket, a tasket. Harlow or Monroe??

Didn't Zsa Zsa work with Jose Ferrer in a film about Toulouse Lautrec????

Nah... I can't even imagine what role Grahame would hold in the world of 007. Hey...are you mocking me or Gloria???

HOLY GUACOMOLE!!! I've been looking for fluff pieces and I get Ph.D film courses. ChiO, you say, "...I will intermittently post some discussion topics over the next month as well to help things get started on September 2." Please give us a heads up on the topics for discussion. Yikes! I'm gonna need a bigger dog. Message was edited by CineMaven: ...the better to eat my homework.

WHO was Ray Danton married to??? I'm going to head over to the Fall session class and bone up on a coupla things.

"Being There" by far. Tony Curtis in a dress or Jack Lemmon in a dress?

Donald Sutherland worked in "KLUTE" with the notorious JANE FONDA.

If I were one of the "Four Daughters" my life would be full of sadness and then happiness. So I guess I'd have to take it all. I'd want to be Priscilla Lane. Yes, I'd be with Garfield, but then he'd do me a favor by cracking up in his car and letting me be with the sweet Jeffrey Lynn. My life would be happy. If you've seen the movie, do you remember the family picnic and Lynn & Lane riding their bike in the fields? Sweet. Always have been a big fan of Priscilla Lane (but if truth be told, I'd love to be James Bond).

"Grindl" - Imogene Cocoa - Gloria Grahame in the same paragraph. WOW!!! Surreal! You're right, it might not be such a sad thing to find her appearing on tv back in the 60's. A girl's gotta work. And many actresses did that. She had kids to feed and some other issues probably prevented her from ingratiating herself with the powers-that-be in the industry. I don't know her biography, so for me, she lives in brightly in my mind in her movie roles I've seen in the 1940's - fifties. I'm a big fan. Glad to see others are as well.

John Cleese appeared in "Silverado" with DANNY GLOVER This is the way we go round and round???

Robert Culp in "Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice" with the beautiful NATALIE WOOD.

"Little Boy Lost" Gloria Grahame with long hair or Gloria Grahame with short hair?

"Little Boy Lost" Gloria Grahame with long hair or Gloria Grahame with short hair?

Awwwwww you took the easy way out. Get some rest!! Tim Robbins starred in "The Player" with next star: WHOOPI GOLDBERG

Hello there Clive. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the blonde disrobing is IRENE KANE of http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews8/killerskiss/ttile.JPG> Directed by: Yeah...I'm pretty confident of that though I can find no photos of Ms. Kane. In fact, go out and Netflix that film. You'll see I'm right and you'll see a nice tight little film. Message was edited by CineMaven: Hey, I don't call me CineMaven for nothing. ;-)

Oh...didn't like the cop-out ending of "The Paradine Case" but twisty movie up till then. Should've ended with that shot of Charles Laughton picking his teeth, condemning Mrs. Paradine to death by hanging and then maybe dissolve to Gregory Peck sitting in Coburn's office with head down. Aaah, always give the suckers hope. :-(

http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=131991&start=0&tstart=0

Yeah...it did morph into that. But that's okay. There are too many duplicate threads here anyway 'cuz some folks like to see their names in lights...print...uh...cyber- print. Andie McDowell starred in "GREEN CARD" with next star: GERARD DEPARDIEU

PKTREKGIRL: "After all, she did play some pretty despicable characters...and when you are dealing with characters such as Martha Ivers, for example, you don't really think of her as beautiful because the character is so ugly in the inside." I'm not so sure about Stanwyck (I'm a fan and find her very attractive), but I think Gene Tierney's character as Ellen Berent in "Leave Her to Heaven" was very beautiful in spite of the evil deeds she did to those around her in that film. I think people don't want to find beautiful someone that does evil things, even if the person is physically beautiful; makes 'em uncomfortable. Message was edited by: CineMaven--Had to get my thoughts together in a clearer way.

MISS GODDESS writes June 24th: "I've concluded I need a thread to post my random movie watching comments and also to (hopefully) keep me from taking too many other threads off-topic. If a thread has been started on a movie elsewhere I will try to post my comments there, this will just be for those films I don't necessarily want to start a new one for. And any one and everyone is welcome to jump in with their own movie critiques or what not, if they like..." This is a wonderful idea for a thread Miss Goddess, if I hadn't said so before. And successful too...so many responses. One can tell when people want to engage in a topic by the number of responses. Posting ten, twelve, twenty threads does not make one popular. Seeing so many threads created by one, two or three individuals, (duplicate threads if you will) only to be unanswered definitely says a lot. With MOVIE RAMBLES we need not create a million threads for every little cinematic thought that comes to our little pointed head, when this thread can cover any little cinematic thought that comes into our little pointed head. So what comes into my pointed little head this fine sunny Sunday New York morning? I've just seen TCM's offering up of Gregory Peck for today's Summer Under the Stars. Just two movies for now. I sometimes forget about Gregory Peck; others light burns soooo brightly. But there he is in "The Great Sinner" playing a gambling addict. He must be sick; gambling must be a disease. I wasn't convinced before, but I am. Why? Becuz of Ava. To have Ava Gardner with her arms around your neck, her face close saying she's yours to take...and you still want to go gambling...dude, this must be a sickness. Now I'm checking out Peck in "The Paradine Case." There's a bit of "Laura" in this where a man is falling in love with a ghost or an image of someone rather than the reality of her. He's in her house, looking at undergarments on the bed. "I want to save you. I want to fight for you," Peck says to Alida Valli. "Part lawyer part lover...part 'frustrated' lover," says wife Ann Todd. I love that Peck was not afraid to play flawed characters. Tall dark and handsome with a wonderfully sonorous voice; I love the dark streak he's brought some of his characters. I don't know why I've never appreciated this movie before...thought it too stuffy, but now on this Sunday morn, I'm seeing the beauty of this Hitchcock flick. Valli is beautiful in that "european" way (whatever that means). Peck's a lawyer who will try to frame a man for murder becuz he's fallen in love with his client. Hitchcock is one twisted dude, I tell ya. I'll watch how this plays out. All I see now is Peck is almost frantically begging that she allow him to defend her. She's got him twisted around her finger. I love lethal ladies. Right now, I'm swooning over the beauty of Louis Jourdan. Gorgeous. Just gorgeous! Different types of womanhood is explored in "The Paradine Case" (great name too). Adoring subservient wife: (Ethel Barrymore to Laughton), faithful and patient wife: (Ann Todd to Peck), logical, questioning, straight-forward, women's libber-type who won't go quietly from the men's smoking room while the men talk: (Joan Tetzel to her dad: Charles Coburn), sultry, sexy, sexual, femme fatale vixen: (Alida Valli to...any man in her path). By the by...Tetzel makes me think of Diana Lynn. This is my movie rambling for today. I shall watch this unfold...watching Hitchcock dissect a man in love, falling... falling...falling...in love and to his doom. Message was edited by Cinemaven--even if I am rambling and my head is pointed, I've still got to correct my grammar. ;-) P.S. Message was edited by CineMaven: Oh yeah, I'm specifically making pointed jabs, but not at you dear.

Bronxgirl: "You don't want to miss "Archetypes, Allusions, and Ray Danton", coming up in September." Tall, dark and handsome Ray. Ooooh, sign me up.

I could live out my life in "Four Daughters" where all is sweet and rosy and small town. Nice, secure, safe. The Lemp sisters would be my friends, especially their youngest daughter. We'd double date, her with Jeffrey Lynn me with...with... Fade me right into "To Catch A Thief" I'd be rich (of course) on the Riviera lazing about, gambling, drinking, eating, sight seeing. Aimless. Content. Oooh, there's an interesting looking man over there. Hair going grey, dimple in his chin, jaunty walk, devastatingly handsome. 'Scuse me folks, he's coming this way. He's coming to me...

I look forward to seeing what the topic of the next class will be. I hope I can participate in that one.