CineMaven
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Thanxx for the tidbit Jacks.
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Hi there Ro...Hey Miss G.... Howdy Jackaaaaaaaaaay... Thanx so much for the compliment. It means a lot to me coming from bonafide women of the west. I'd hate to be the varmint perpetrating a fraud on this thread. I was really impressed with the Duke's and Monty's performance. Say MM'57... I wound up scratching my head in disbelief when I heard Dunson's offer to Dru's character. Whoaaaaa, pretty broad thinking. What an unseemly proposition from him, especially knowing she loved Matt and that Matt most likely cared for her. Dunson still had the mindset of TAKING something from Matt.
Whew!!!
Does anyone know how Ford felt about Hawks invading his Western territory? Hawks did an outstanding job...especially if he engaged this noirista.
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Okay. Ohhhhhhhhkay....what are you groaning about?
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"You were wrong Mr. Dunson."
The past coupla nites I?ve been up late editing my webseries. Two nites ago I had Richard Gere keeping me company with "Internal Affairs" and "Primal Fear" on tv. Last night I had two lethal ladies doing their thing with "Body Heat" and "Black Widow." Now today I took an epic cattle drive while having the ENCORE channel on. Sure, you all know "RED RIVER" like you know the back of your hands. Me? I haven't seen it since college, so a lot of it seems brand new to me though, of course, I've seen different scenes many times over the past years. I just had it on to keep me company and pretend like I was watching it.
This doggone movie took me plum away from my editing. Dang!
"I'm the law. You're a thief."
John Wayne. The Past. Boy oh boy, I'm not even trying to tell you western afficionadoes anything about what you guys already know about him in this film. He's Tom Dunson, and he?s mean. He?s the law. He?s inconsolable. He?s rigid and intractable. His grief is overwhelming. He?s carried it for all these years. Colleen Gray had her arms around him, begged him to take her with him. But he didn?t. He finds her bracelet on an Indian he?s just killed. Jesus. His path is set.
Montgomery Clift is Matt. He's the Future. He's so rugged here. I believe him. He can handle a gun. He can ride a horse. And he sure can kiss the girl. He looks good in his buckskin. And he's got strength. Strength to finish the cattle drive. He knows what's Right. I love his "sparring" with John Ireland. Yeah, love the subtext. Love them sizing each other up...and mutually winning each other's respect. So many lesson on this cattle drive I'm taking.
The journey to get all these head of cattle to Abilene is frought with adventure. There?s a stampede...my gosh, the cattle was like a tsunami crossing the plains; and anything in its path, well... Poor Carey Jr. gets trampled. The wheat is separated from the chaff. Dunson wants to mete out justice by whipping the man who started the stampede. May I confess I kinda like John Wayne when he?s mean, unreasonable. He's very...uhmm, commanding in his unfairness. Yeah, I'm a twisted sister. And then there's his walk. Geezzzz...even cattle move out of his way. < Sigh! > "What a man!" as Olive Oyl might say.
"I don't like quitters."
Three men want to bail out. Dunson won?t let ?em. They made a bargain. But they renege. And they runaway; they'll regret doing that. Dunson tells some of his men to bring ?em back. They do. Their punishment is a hanging. WHAT??? Whew! He's so unyielding, so unforgiving. But Matt won?t let him go that psychopathically far. H'?s driven. He reminds me of Queeg. He pushes and drives his men. "It's their job!" Ohhhkay.
"Everytime you turn around expect to see me."
Who wants that albatross hangin' around your neck?
The cattlemen face Indians too. They go on the defensive to get over that hurdle too. Yeah there's a hoopin' and a-hollerin'. But the biggest obstacle to face on this loooooong cattle drive...Joanne Dru. Whew! The girl was baaaaaaad! She was pitching in shooting the rifle. But then Matt told her to just load the gun. Already the woman is put in her place. But didja see how she took that arrow in the shoulder? She barely blinked. WoW! I know it?s a man?s world, but I gotta hang my hat on something. We see the battle of the sexes between her and Matt (Monty). She?s probably molded into a Bacall of the West. This is Hawks' film right? Yeah, she?s channeling Bacall with her repartee. I thought she did a pretty good job. She kind of has a soft voice like Dorothy McGuire and could keep up with the bitter Dunson when he comes through.
Dunson's soooo angry. Angry more at himself for letting his own girl go. Angry b'cuz Matt took his herd....his Leadership...his manhood. Would you say Matt represents the new regime? The new taking over from the old. The thread running through the second half of the movie is Dunson as the spectre of Vengeance. Dunson?s so darned ornery for ornery sake. He has no reason to even be upset. But he is. He's made it to Abilene.
And he's looking for Matt. And Matt goes to face him. The "son" must face his father and prove his manhood. What a journey. For me too.
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< Spit Take! >
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Ha. Good one, and you're so right. (What a straight line just laying there for the Maven. Resist. Resist). Well then I'd better just stick to finalizing my list for Rey's thread. And yes,
I am a sentimental baby. My next list will reflect that.
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Haha. My Tarzan or my list, Miss G.?
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True, Jake. Sadly, so few men are like Tarzan. < Sigh! >
Miss G., I like your list a lot!
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Hi MM'57. I'm sorry to read you didn't like "PICKUP ON SOUTH STREET" more than you did. I really enjoy it. Tough, tight....straight line like a laser beam. Jean Peters is worth the price of admission, for me.
"I like Ritter and Widmark but I always thought Jean Peters miscast. I found her character too broad and "gum smacking". Like an actress deliberately pretending to be 'cheap'." - << (( Miss Goddess )) >>
MissG., I hear what you're saying about Jean's gum-smacking pretense at being a tough girl...a moll...a dame (not a dam). But I bought it. I believed her. She was sooo different in "NIAGARA" from "PICKUP..." and then so different in "A BLUEPRINT FOR MURDER" than in "AS YOUNG AS YOU FEEL." She has a lot of sensuality in this movie, and she's a tough cookie too. She has bite. Or maybe her character was not as tough as she thought she was. Could her character have been play-acting t survive???
There was a love story wrapped up in this tough little anti-Commie potboiler. Jean did take a beating though. But you know how that goes...all in the service of the movie's hero changing his ways. Ouch! Women in noir ofttimes takes the brunt of the hero's change of heart.
"I actually really love Jean Peters in this movie - she is what made me like the movie, the person I can hang my emotions on. I thought she was excellent." - << (( JACK FAVELL )) >>
Hey Jaxxxon. Jean Peters worked for me as well.
Nice screen cap Grimesy. Kind of illustrates my point. Jean's pretty little face is all banged up, and the hero gives her the kiss.
Edited by: CineMaven on Mar 15, 2011 6:29 PM - Felt I should properly quote people.
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Fred, that was truly a classic response!!! Atta 'boy!!! Great!!! You can be a consort to Bronxgirl. She is truly Queen of the Quips!
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"...Speaking of armpits, Charles Coburn (making up for his evil Dr Gordon from KING'S ROW by playing Hippocrates) also exposes a bare arm which I never knew he had. A snarling Agnes Moorehad portraying Queen Elizabeth is almost upstaged by the leotarded legs of mild-mannered Reginald Gardner as William Shakespeare. The camera seems intent on showing us his gams, and believe me, they don't look like Gene Kelly's." - <<< (( BRONXGIRL )) >>>
Oh Bronxie...Bronxie...Bronxie. What a wonderfully hilariously scathing review of one of the classics. And if your review could bring out the likes of old posters...YAY! ( Hi RainingViolets and Poiciana :-) ) "Speaking of armpits...", Bronxie, you're hilarious.
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Now the hard part to come. I need to go back and select my top ten favorite films from 1930 up to 1959. A much harder list to prepare. - <<< ( Fxreyman ) >>>
Dude, you ARE a masochist. ;-) Whew!!!! Good luck goin' in!
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>"Hey, Maaaaaaaaven! You're right about Powell as Nick Charles. I'd also exclude Vincent Price > as Nicholas van Ryn in DRAGONWYCK. These two are definitely 'upper-class' Nicks, ha!" - << (( Bronxgirl )) >>
I hear ya Bronxie. Maybe if they both wore their hair in ringlets, then...
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Hey laaaaaaaaaaaaaady!!!
You wouldn't count Nick Charles in that bunch of Nicks, wouldja? Nah, Nicky's pretty
WASP-y in "The Thin Man" series, I guess.
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?I came up with a list that produced what I thought could be considered ten best films for each year made after 1960.? - <<< (( Fxreyman )) >>> 2-24-2011 @ 10:27AM
Hey there Jackaaaaaaaaaay, Hiya Foxy Rey. I did have a nice time at my favorite Friday night watering hole, thanx.
I perused your LISTS thread Rey to make sure I wasn't duplicating anything before I made my next list. In the process of doing that I came upon a list you did here:
(http://forums.tcm.com/thread.jspa?threadID=157528&start=135&tstart=0)
And you certainly have listed some of the greatest films of the decades. I had no quarrel with any of the ten films you put on that list. (Whew! Exhaustive!) What I did was look at your list and picked (I-M-H-O) the best of the best for each year you listed. There are some very Klassy and Important films on your list. But I picked films I absolutely found accessible and enjoyable; films that I could watch over and over again. If I really wanted to be
masochistic...I would pick the best of the best film for each decade...but why would I want to be so masochistic? After creating this list...I think I need to go back to the watering hole. Again...my list is based on your list:
CINEMAVEN'S LIST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST(...IMHO) OF FXREY'S LIST
( 1960 ) Psycho *
( 1961 ) The Children's Hour
( 1962 ) The Manchurian Candidate (which I can't wait to see Robert Osborne & Angela Lansbury introduce here in NYC next month)
( 1963 ) The Haunting
( 1964 ) Fail Safe
( 1965 ) Repulsion
( 1966 ) Born Free
( 1967 ) The Graduate
( 1968 ) The Odd Couple
( 1969 ) Easy Rider
( 1970 ) Five Easy Pieces
( 1971 ) Carnal Knowledge/The Last Picture Show
( 1972 ) The Poseidon Adventure
( 1973 ) American Grafitti
( 1974 ) Blazing Saddles
( 1975 ) Jaws *
( 1976 ) Network
( 1977 ) Annie Hall
( 1978 ) Unmarried Woman
( 1979 ) Being There
( 1980 ) The Empire Strikes Back *
( 1981 ) Raiders of the Lost Ark
( 1982 ) Tootsie
( 1983 ) The Right Stuff
( 1984 ) The Terminator / Blood Simple
( 1985 ) Silverado
( 1986 ) Top Gun
( 1987 ) House of Games
( 1988 ) The Accused
( 1989 ) Field of Dreams
( 1990 ) Dances With Wolves
( 1991 ) Silence of the Lambs *
( 1992 ) A Few Good Men
( 1993 ) Schindler's List
( 1994 ) Pulp Fiction / The Shawshank Redemption
( 1995 ) The Brothers McMullen
( 1996 ) Fargo
( 1997 ) Contact
( 1998 ) There's Something About Mary
( 1999 ) The Limey
( 2000 ) Gladiator *
( 2001 ) Monster's Ball
( 2002 ) The Hours
( 2003 ) Mystic River
( 2004 ) Million Dollar Baby
( 2005 ) Batman Begins
( 2006 ) Pan?s Labyrinth
( 2007 ) No Country for Old Men
( 2008 ) The Reader
( 2009 ) Inglorious Basterds
( 2010 ) Winter's Bone
Awwwww, what the hell. The films that are in bold * are films I?ve picked as my best of the best's best. What a challenge!!! You know what...this ?List? thing is fun. It?s very subjective and there is no wrong answer. 'Till next time...
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THE LIST OF LISTS
1. Titles In One's Library
2. Favorite Submarine Fims
3. DVDs by Decades
4. Directors On DVD
5. Genre Breakdown
6. Favorite Actors
7. Top Ten Favorite Westerns
8. Favorite Lines of Dialogue
9. Fluff Movies
10. Favorite Lines from The Duke
11. Actors/Directors In One's Library
12. Favorite Actresses
13. Favorite Gloria Grahame Films
14. Favorite Gloria Grahame Characters
15. Favorite Gloria Grahame Performances
16. Favorite Directors
17. Favorite Dance Numbers
18. Favorite Films from the 1930's
19. Who Walks Well
20. Favorite Cary Grant Comedies
21. Favorite Cary Grant Non-Comedies
22. Cary Grant Characters
23. Cary Grant Performances
24. The Last Fifteen Films Watched
25. Favorite Cagney Films
26. Favorite (Pre-70's) Sensual Films
27. Favorite "Other" Films ("Other" Meaning Sexual)
28. Actors With At Least Five Appearances In One's Film Collection
29. List of Directors in One's Film Collection
30. Favorite (Pre-70's) Comedies
31. Favorite Capra Things
32. Favorite Western Love Stories
33. Favorite Unrealized Western Love Stories
34. Films With Hanging Scenes
35. Favorite TV Shows: Comedies/Dramas
36. Favorite Actor/Actress Voices
37. Favorite Male Characters in Westerns
38. Favorite Female Characters in Westerns
39. Film Noir List in One's Film Collection
40. Ten Best Film For Each Year From 1960-2010
41. Post 1970 Movies
42. Favorite Films For Each Year From 1913-2009
43. Top Ten Films From 1956
44. Favorite Films From 1946
45. Favorite Years From the 1940's
46. Oscar Films That SHOULD Have Won Best Picture
47. Favorite Films From Genres Not Crazy About
48. Favorite Death Scenes
49. War Films Broken Down By War/Battles/Situations
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Enjoyed him in "BROTHER RAT" (1939) and always liked his voice and looks. I thought he always had an easy breezy way with his lines but I never saw him given a good meaty role (other than as you mentioned..."PATHS OF GLORY.")
I did not know that he had such a distinguished career in the military. Good to know.
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Aaaah, so there IS a silver lining. Joel McCrea was indeed a nice tall drink o' water.
http://www.archive.org/details/meet_the_boyfriend Here's a Pert Kelton flick for
you.
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Oooh. I'm sorry. :-(
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Thanks TCM. :-(
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Good morning J.F. Did you have a nice restful night? Good. Sooooooooo...tell me, who was it. Did you dream about Jack or Frank?? C'mon sister...give. You can PM the details about Frankie. I can take it.
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Testing? Our temperatures? Whew! Sean Connery.
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Afternoon Jackaaaaay: I must be over the rainbow... with Jean Harlow? I certainly hope that this new format WORKS as good as it looks.
I'm with you there, though the powers-that-be could have spent their time checking out cyber-identities to this Message Board. And pressing the "post message" button is now glitchy for me. But hey...anywhere with Jean Harlow, you know there'll be some laughs.
Brian Donlevy is a superb choice! Villains die almost as well, if not better than sidekicks. I'll see your Captain Markoff and raise you one Mrs. Danvers.
Awwwright. I'll take that bet. Here's to your Mrs. Danvers with either the poignant death of Lawrence Talbot in "THE WOLFMAN" or Christopher Lee's yucky death in Hammer's "DRACULA." Who am I kidding. I'll bet my whole pot on bad guy's John Cassevetes' agonizing atomizing smithereened demise at the end of "THE FURY." I can still hear
the audience's screams and cheers!
Man, he was really a bad guy!
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"That's another intersting sub-category: favorite villain death scenes..." - < ( Miss Goddess ) >
Hi there...well, along those lines, the bad guys in the James Bond films die interestingly. Albeit those aren't quite the classics we're talking about...but it's a start. It's only nine in the morning. My Maven's brain doesn't start until noon.
Okay...okay. What about this: Brian Donlevy in "Beau Geste."
(Hi Jackaaaaaaaay!)
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MovieMan...I went all the way back to page 67. The date of that post is October 10, 2010 but I can't see anything past that.
This board sucks.