CineMaven

................................... Just hatin' and harping on the same old string.

Girl, please. I'll take your "blabbage" over the garbage any day of the week. Please keep posting when Life doesn't get in the way. Oh by the way...."BLOOD ALLEY" is on tomorrow. Now I can see what you're gasping about. :-)

Evening Miss Goddess - "...Anyway, I'm with you, I prefer the longer, more sensual hair on her. That long, soft bob was my favorite look for her, very classic but very sexy.? The photo you posted supports your comments...Elizabeth Taylor had different looks throughout the decades, but when I see her in my mind?s eye...the photo below is the look I see. Well Hey Moira - ?I'm supposed to believe that Gloria Wandrous couldn't unearth some better sugar daddies in all of New York City? Typical sugar daddies don?t look as good as Harvey or even Eddie. They usually have an Ed Begley look; blubbery and wrinkly, but monied. ?Or are these two males supposed to reflect her low self-esteem?? Whoa!!! I like that analysis...but I?m still thinkin? that to reflect her low self-esteem and the Major Hartley-type that ?done her wrong? she?d have to pick a Charles Coburn-type sugar daddy to keep reliving the abuse. ?I enjoy all your comments but I love your autopsy of Butterfield 8, a movie that even Elizabeth Taylor seemed embarrassed to have been seen in...And how could Mildred Dunnock have spawned Elizabeth Taylor? Calling Gregor Mendel...? Hey Moira, nice seeing you in this neck o' the woods. Listen, I?m no geneticist, (I?m just a gal who loves classic films...and tries to add some wit and humor to my musings), but in looking at a couple of Elizabeth Taylor?s movies yesterday, I noticed the actresses they used to play her Mom. I actually could see a young Mildred Dunnock as her Mother; dark hair...heavy brows...delicate features. (Squinch up your eyes). I also find Joan Bennett and (the great) Frieda Inescort genetically believable as La Liz?s mom. If given the chance, I?d even cast Rosemary DeCamp as her mom. Lets not page Dr. Mendel yet.

what makes you and filmlover think that mike even cares about the facts of how tcm gets its films?

Well...well...well. Seems like we have TWO special occasions around here to CELEBRATE!!!! * Congratulations Rohanaka on four thousand posts. Why it seems like ONLY yesterday...: http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?messageID=8101347 I know life is keeping you busy...but somebody's gotta keep "you know who" in line. * Congratulations --you know who-- Frank Grimes on your birthday. That makes you a Virgo. I hear Virgoes have good taste in wine, women and song. This must mean you must be drunk to go to a musical with a woman. Or does that mean you must get a woman drunk to get her to listen to you sing? Or is it women singing make you drink? Ahhh. No matter. It all ends in song as long as the woman is not Elizabeth Taylor. Sincerely, many happy returns of the day to you, "Grimesy, me boy." Glad you're both still hanging around these crazy Boards. :x

Thanxx Ollie, SueSue. Miss G., this'll sound crazy, but that great screen cap you chose makes me think of a 60's life gone wrong screenshot of Cinderella and Prince Charming. (Does that make any sense?) Ha! Maybe it's Harvey's haircut in that shot. That's food for thought re: Gloria's confession and you're right, a flashback was not needed. But I guess this confession lent to the lurid nature and reputation of this film. Susan Oliver plays Eddie's standby girlfriend. I remember her from "Peyton Place." (Died young I believe). Ha! Funny what you write about her only having Eddie in this movie. And Elizabeth's red roadster was to die for, wasn't it. I loved it. I'm not a fan of the 50's Gina Lollabrigida poodle cut and when Taylor's hair is short it's a momen-tary letdown for me. I was watching "The Last Time I Saw Paris" and when she goes out onto the balcony to pull her redhaired boy away from that Hungarian vamp (Eva "Green Acres" Gabor) and walks slowly towards him in that red gown...her short hair just accentuated how beautiful her deli-cate features are. A child in the 40's, a grown-up looking teen of the 50's (without the poodle skirt and ponytail). Then the sleek 60's and now (with "X,Y & Zee" on) it's the loose-y goose-y Mod swinging 70's. Can't help but go back to Grimesy's comment. Hmmm. Really, Frank? Really? Watched TCM's "THE SHOW" (previewing September's fare) and I thought of you when they showed the Star of the Month for September...your own, Vivien Leigh. Before Elizabeth Taylor's beauty bloomed in the 50's, there was Vivien Leigh who Robert O. describes as "staggeringly beautiful." So true. I loved the clips they showed (my favorite is from "GWTW"...you know the one: when she stands there in scarlet and that camera slowly dollies in and out of focus to her). We see Shirley Jones, John Mills, Sally Anne Howe and Margaret O'Brien speak of her talent and beauty. Looks like September will be a good month. I'm happy I had Monday. Now for today...it'll be Jackaaaay's day with John Gilbert. Will your Gilbert Roland be far behind???

Grimesy - "Thank you. But I'll take your writing over mine, every single time. You write with passion, and that's my favorite read.? Thank you...again. I?m a Kim Novak fan and I?m glad to see she?s being recognized and that she sees she is being appreciated. Filmlover?s account, and the YouTube clips of her at the Egyptian (I think that?s the theatre) really brought that home to me. So often the posthumous thing is too late for the perfor- mer. Now of course MARILYN is the girl of the 1950?s, but she?s oft times soooo fragile. Kim seems more approachable, down-to-earth...earthy. ?PUSHOVER? is a wonderful twisty-turney tale. Miss Goddess - ?It's like ?Pushover? was Kim's ?audition? for Hitch and his casting her in ?Vertigo? (after Vera Miles---81 years old today!---was unable to do it)? I agree about that, Miss G. Vera's 81? WoW!! She really doesn?t do interviews anymore, right? Folks would love to hear her talk about "Psycho." Have you ever seen her in this ?Outer Limits? episode? I recommend it. Ollie - ?Oops! That's Merle! I've had way too much ?OPERATION PETTICOAT? on my mind. ?How did SHE end up on a pink sub?!!? ? You're getting your wine cooler spritzes mixed up. Funny, ?The Cowboy and the Lady? is the first movie I?ve ever seen Merle Oberon in. I saw her and Robert Wolders at a New York movie pre- miere in the late 60?s. I can?t recall the film, but I do have a photograph of her somewhere buried deeply in my room. Molo - ?I'm loyal as a puppy! Really!? :-) I know you are, Madhat.

"Momma, face it. I'm the **** of all time!!! As part of TCM's "Summer Under the Stars" series, Elizabeth Taylor is being featured today. And one of my faves of hers is "BUTTERFIELD 8." I enjoy this film. I love 1960's soapy garish melo- dramas. Oh this is not a put-down. Like the kids say...it is what it is." The credits were in this bril-liant deep dark red which sets the scene for the whole proceeding. I love the dark deep lush cinematography of the night club scenes. I love nightclub scenes in films: drinking, clinking glasses, dancing, smoking, a cacophony of conversation; all very chi-chi, urbane, grown-up. Heyyyyy, New York in 1960. Look at Fifth Avenue as a two-way street. I tried to spot other landmarks. Taylor plays Gloria Wandrous, a wonderful fantastical name. She's a...a model, too. And she's fallen for one of her customers, the icy reptilian Laurence Harvey playing Liggett. I do have to admit, he is kind of sexy here. He was never my type in the movies, but even I can see that he and Elizabeth are perfectly matched in their venomous treatment of each other. (Oliver Reed is another of those cold Brits, but he's on the beefy side). Tender? Hmmm, I don't think so. I imagine their lovemaking all slash and burn. There are a lot of lines in this film I wait to here. I love Taylor's fiery attitude, which masks a hurt and abused little girl. Liggett: "Hey, you're with me, kid." Gloria: "By choice!" Liggett: "You pick the man. He doesn't pick you." Mrs. Thurber: "Just act like I'm not here." Gloria: I haven't been? My favorite line in the whole movie is a former customer of Gloria's approaching Liggett and saying: "Welcome to the fraternity. We meet once a year at Yankee Stadium." Oooh! My favorite scene which encapsulates the S&M nature of their relationship is when he's twisting her wrist and she's digging into this foot with her stiletto heels. Yup, that says it all. Piano music, strings, smoky horn playing, flashing neon light, Elizabeth in her slip...all set the scene. I think red is Elizabeth Taylor's color. It is such a contrast against that dark pool of jet black hair. Interesting to see the two mother and daughter relationships. With Gloria and her mother, there are lies and deception; with the Dina Merrill character (I've always liked Merrill...why didn't she go far? Oh, her family was wealthy) and her mother, her mom is direct and to the point: "This marriage is over !" Dina's a self-sacrificing dutiful wife. A thankless role in the film and probably in real life. Merrill was so compliant and grateful. Yuck! But she did a good job, I thought. Havrey's Liggett is so self-absorbed, it's destructive to Gloria, but she can't get out of her own way. Eddie Fisher. Wow, Eddie's in this. It's not that he's so terrible. He's just so...so...Eddie. I guess it's a distinction that Elizabeth Taylor made movies with three of her husbands. (Not a putdown...another one of those: 'it is what it is' things). I LOVED Elizabeth Taylor's scenes with one of Jack Favell new favorites: Betty Field. It's a good fifteen or so years after "KINGS ROW." Betty's older but still attractive, and throws away her lines in a way Eve Arden would be proud of. But this is Elizabeth Taylor's picture all the way. (IF you're reading this you might be saying: "Yeah, she's to blame.") Ha! I know this is the film she denigrates, I know this is the film that is in the record books for getting Taylor her Oscar b'cuz she had pneumonia and needed a tracheo-tomy. But I thought Taylor did a very good job in this. Tough as nails, tender, hurt, glib. Her stunning beauty doesn't hurt things either. And of course, as a woman who charts her own romantic course... as a woman who chooses which man she wants and when...she will have to pay for her independence.

Well I've got a few seconds before my next Elizabeth Taylor film. So, let me say this about that: Grimesy me boy, I am utterly impressed with your capsules. Short, sweet, succinct. I?ve got to take a page from your book: brevity. ?Strangers When We Meet -- Rather fascinating, actually. It starts slow but it builds and builds. Lots of back and forth. The ending is a tough one. Again, I'm all about Kim Novak. She's got me. (6/10) - << ( FRANKGRIMES ) >> ?I like this one, too. Everyone in the cast is good, it's very emotional and uncomfortable. No one behaves very well, I'm afraid. The suburbs were hopping!? - << ( MISSGODDESS ) >> I?m kind of surprised to see that you both like this film. Your tastes are so eclectic. I?m a tad pedestrian. I love this film. I like soapy suburban drama. Kim Novak fairly smolders in a repressive marriage. I love her in it. She?s a housewife? ?To Be or Not to Be -- The film picks up when Jack Benny is called into action. I thought he was very funny. Carole Lombard was a joy. The supporting cast was on point, as usual with Lubitsch. (6/10)? - << ( FRANKGRIMES ) >> I have a tiny up and down history with ?To Be Or Not To Be.? Not really liking it at first; making my self like it since it was Lombard?s last film. But you know...after seeing ?CLUNY BROWN? I absolutely appreciate Lubitsch?s ?touch? and his insightful incisive commentary on man?s humanity. ?The guys around here don't stand a chance against these dames. That's why I always try to keep them focused on Grimes!? - << ( MOLO ) >> Some pal YOU are, throwing Grimesy under the bus. ?I hate you. I really hate you. My screen & keyboard get so many routine cleanings, though. Darn. THEY probably love you. But Wifey sees me retreating with wet and dry towels, Bounty Wipes and Duster-Uppers, and she's only shaking her head.? - << ( OLLIE ) >> What an opening. What a straight line. But I?ll leave it alone. I swear, I?ll leave it alone. BTW, you mess with Jackaaaaaay Favell at your own risk. Bounty won?t help. You?ll need gauze and bandaids. Good luck. Nice knowin? you. Send me your collection. ?I've only seen about 2800 movies...Thanks to you and the gang I still get to find new films worth watching.? - << ( MOVIEMAN ) >> Wow. I?ve seen waaaaaaay more movies than you. The funny thing is I am also learning to see different things in what I?ve seen thanx to you and others on this Message Board. The numbers don?t matter MovieMan. Just see some good classic films. ?I would say that of all the eras of film, I am closest to the nineteen forties style as far as looks are concerned...not the career women/severe jackets with mammoth shoulder pads and pencil skirt types, but the softer, more feminine looking actresses from the late forties...? - << ( JACKFAVELL ) >> Okay boys. There you go. Imina-ma-ma-ma...Imini-ma-ma-gination. "Butterfield 8" is on now. OOoooh, I already am enthralled by the garish red color of the credits.

Dewey...you must be up to your neck in popcorn...but tell us, HOW is the film fest coming along?

Good Mornin', Good Mornin'...Rain Rain Go Away - ?Ever since seeing him in ?A GIRL NAMED TAMIKO?...I've always thought that Harvey actually had that background.? WOW!!! What a movie fan you really are. I haven?t heard that title in more than thirty years. Oh man!! I used to write down great lines from movies I saw. Wrote 'em down in a binder. I know I have something from "A Girl Named Tamiko." I used to write the Film Title, Stars, and Date I Watched the Movie. Yeah...I had nuthin' better to do as a teenager. ?Yep, she and Vincent were married. I always thought that was an odd couple...? Vincent and Coral looked pretty evenly matched to me. I don?t see Vinnie with a glamorgirl. ?Dana Andrews (I had watched LAURA yesterday afternoon) ran an ice-cream truck, and had on a cute white outfit. He smiled at me but didn't say anything. The End.? Ha. At least Miss Goddess almost got James Stewart to tell his father they were going to get married. If one of you gals dreams of Yul Brynner...please pass that along to the rest of us. Just very curious about his etc. etc. etc. Dream a little dream for me. Hi there Rohanaka - ?Heathcliff?????? Nah...I'd likely bop him upside the head with a big rock...ha. But back to your orginal comment Miss Maven.. ha... I already HAVE that "one boy.. one special boy" (Remember the other day when I said my heart belongs to the QT??)? Yes I do. It?s just that Donat looked so feeble, a mild breeze could blow him off the mountain top, and ?Heathcliff? looked so virile. But aaaah yes Ro. I remember. You?ve got the QT. You lucky girl!! Hiya Grimesy - ?Hey! Let's see, since July 15th, I've watched: ...'Bhowani Junction' 'Sundown'...?Strangers When We Meet?.? Whoa...I see two Tierneys, a Novak and an Ava. Tell me, what?d you think of Kim, Gene and Ava in their movies??

We had family friends who lived in South Ozone Park. It's the 60's. We lived in public housing but they owned a gigantic house. Bedrooms were upstairs. We kids used to run up and down the stairs for no reason. I've seen the house about ten years ago. How a family of five kids and a Mother & Father fit into that teensy house, I'll never know. Funny, I don't remember it as small. They were supposed to visit us one Saturday but their car was broken and the kids couldn't come. The only thing that assuaged my disappointment was the Million Dollar Movie showing of "Holiday." < Sigh! >

Hawaiian Surf, go down memory lane with these three from YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnX00UuHJFA

Lord love a duck...bless you Favell. THAT is the line of the movie. I couldn't quote it verbatim, but I'm glad you did. Doesn't Ramses threaten to mingle Moses' blood with her own, too? And the look on her face. I loved the way Ramses (Yul! Yul!) tears the neckplace piece from his neck and the way he sits on the throne. Those legs and thighs. He was gorgeous. Oh yeah, maybe Moses brought down the tablets...but Ramses brought down the pyramids. Ugh! Don't I have some editing to do? Three episodes, comin' right up. And thanx again for the Ava pix. Ollie, don't you know yet NOT to sit so close to the monitor?? I gotta tell you everything?

> "Everything you mentioned needs doing, MAva, even the C.V. - which reminds me, can you take out the trash as well?" It would be my unmitigated pleasure. And if I was too snarkily sarcastic in my feeble effort to be witty, let me make this perfectly clear... I really do love "Butterfield 8" and not in a campy way; I do cringe at Eddie Fisher, but everything else was great in that 1960's way. Yup, remember Suzanne Pleshette in her O'Hara potboiler "A Rage to Live"? Love that stuff. And Elizabeth costarring with Rock Hudson was a fantastic looking pair. Hollywood Movie Stars. Is it raining where YOU are, Bronxie? - "And Laurence Harvey, ooh, la, la! That sexy Eurasian!" Laurence Harvey? Sexy, did you say? From Lithuania?? Coral Browne. Yeah, she deserves a "GACK!!" Wasn't she married to Vincent Price? "...Sister George" reminded me of a female version of "The Boys In the Band." Coral. Whew! She was... sumthin' else. Yul Brynner. Yup. How did I miss him one of my flutter-worthy faves. His portrayal of Ramses just knocked Moses! Moses! Moses! out of the park for me.

> "Perhaps he showed OUTTAKE footage of John Mills AND Dorothy McGuire rolling AROUND on the beach having a torrid LOVE affair." Fedya, don't tell me there's a director's cut of this and they left that scene in. Wow. P.S. Isn't the term "chalked up" ??

> "Perhaps the multiple posts are due to new posters in the learning curve." For various reasons in my history on this Message Board, I doubt that. But what's more important is you mentioned "Million Dollar Movie." I so totally remember "MDM." Didn't they used to repeat their movies during the week? I specifically remember seeing the Eddie Cantor story and Dobie Gillis and of all things: "The Giant Behomoth" on Channel 9. I haven't heard great things from posters here about Comcast. That's a real bummer. Even though the Fox Movie Channel is repetitive, they do show movies that TCM doesn't. But I just love TCM. I really do think we should have no fear about TCM going the way of AMC. They seem to be very dedicated to classic films and their classic film fans. Welcome Hawaiian Surf.

Awwww...great shot Miss G. Thanx!!! How can a goddess who writes so eloquently about John Ford, and so sensitively about "You Only Live Once" get down with "Butterfield 8"?? Hmmm... doesn't that screen shot say it all?

Evening Jackaaaaaay. Listen, do you have any laundry to be done? Dishes to be washed? Dogs to be walked? Socks to be darned? Lawns to be mowed? Groceries that need to be bought. C.V.s (uh...that's curriculum vitae, not...) to be updated? Rooms that need to be painted?? I say this as a grateful (but technologically challenged) classic film lover who is trying to think of a way to THANK YOU for these photos of those dazzling brunettes...and those great shots of my darling sweetie pie Don Taylor. Re: AVA...How can one person have all those different faces? (This time in a good way). And Jean Peters...I think she's one of the unsung beauties and per- sonalities of Hollywood. Thank you, JackFavell. PM me to tell me your terms. I'm retired...I have time to do things.

Hey...Bronxie's here. Now I can break away from the thirty-five threads that were posted on what happened with TCM's screening of "GANDHI." Kind of a drag? Well...that takes the wind of my sails: to read you say that. But what perks me up again is your comment on "X, Y & Zee." Yes, you're remembering correctly. I thought the film was a hoot and I haven't seen it in thirty years. You know what...I think I'll go and read post number thirty six on the "GANDHI" mis-hap. An investigation should be done...heads must roll...noses must be cut to spite faces. Oh the hu- manity. The humanity. Yes, Susannah York was in "The Killing of Sister George." Hey, was Gandhi a brunette?

Let me help you Lynn. Hi W12G. Welcome to the TCM Message Boards. Sorry your first post on the Boards has to be a complaint. Others feel the same. Check here. http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155110&start=30&tstart=0 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155111&tstart=0 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155109&tstart=0 :-) Welcome...and do come back and talk about your favorite classic films. :-)

Welcome to the Message Boards TB13. Others are just as curious as you as to what happened with the "Ghandi" broadcast. Check out these threads: http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155110&start=30&tstart=0 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155111&tstart=0 http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155109&tstart=0

Sorry to read about your shock and disappointment. Hopefully TCM can make it up to its fans. There are others just as shocked and disappointed as you. Check them out in this thread. http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155110&start=30&tstart=0 And if I haven't said it before, welcome to the TCM Message Boards. :-)

I'm sure everyone at TCM likes "GANDHI." But there are others as upset as you about the glitch. Check 'em out at this thread. http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=155110&start=30&tstart=0 Oh, and welcome to the Message Boards. :-)

OMG!! You are too cute SansFin. Much luck to you and Capuchin. (Oh, and feel better too!!!)