fxreyman

Well, I hate to say this but you did write the following: And yes this is your opinion. I am not arguing that. But, how did you arrive at this opinion? "So many people". Did you take a poll of people who watch TCM? Did you compile a list of numbers of people who watch TCM but who have also complained about these errors from TCM? Again I am not arguing. I am just saying that to me it would seem that the only people getting upset or at the very least concerned about how TCM "proofs" or "determines" whether or not films are edited before showing them, are the few folks like yourself and a few others here who complain about this. And as I wrote TCM is operated by humans. Humans make mistakes. I would say cut them some slack. I mean lets face it. If you record a movie that you have not seen before and then you watch it for the first time, how are you going to know that the film that TCM has leased is an edited version unless they say so at the beginning? Is that so important to you and others here? I could see if you saw a movie years ago and then it popped up on TCM and you decided to record the film and when you watched the film at a later time, you noticed based on your remembrance of seeing the film in the theater that the film was edited, then maybe there would be cause for you to be upset or just delete the film from your library. To me if I could afford to get TCM and I recorded and then watched a film that I had never seen before, but afterwards found that the film I watched had been edited or that the film was an edited version of the film that had been released in the theaters, it is NOT going to be a detriment to me keeping it in my film library. This is one of the reasons why I do not record movies anymore. For one thing I can not afford the channel tier that has TCM and to me it is a waste of time to record a film. If I want it badly enough then I will find a copy and purchase the film on DVD. It does not bother me, and yet I would rather purchase a film for my library than tape the film off of a movie channel. But that's just me. Others around here record every movie they see that they want and that is fine. This is my opinion.

Well there is the problem... You are assuming that there are a lot of people upset with this. How do you know that there are that many upset people about this? Have you conducted a poll to see just how many subscribers are upset that these types of things go on at TCM? What I think is going on is that we have a very, very, very small number of people who come on this message board and voice their concerns that somehow TCM is in the wrong and darn it, they should do something about it because it is hurting the channel. Now you tell me. Do you honestly believe that there are thousands of disgruntled viewers of TCM out there who are really concerned about this, or would you not agree that the only people who are genuinely upset are those few who continue to voice their concerns about this on a message board where maybe there are tops thirty people participating each and every day? I agree that there is a problem. But again what can TCM do? If they are not checking each and every film that comes to them and they decide not to do anything about it, what recourse do you have? Well I guess you could turn the channel to another channel, turn the TV off and go read a book or do what I do. Watch my own DVD collection or rent movies form any number of sources or like me, tonight watch House of Cards on Netflix.

So how would you suggest they be up front about it? Let me ask you something. How many months out do you think TCM leases films to be shown for the 31 Days of Oscar or lets say any month? I am sure that they leased this film and the other film this evening that had edits in it months ago. I do not know exactly how the deals are worked at TCM, but lets say for argumentative purposes the film arrives the month before the film is supposed to be shown. Most of these films are probably leased in a batch arrangement, that is to say that several films are batched together for a particular length of time to run on several occasions during the year on TCM. Possibly as few as one or two times depending on how popular a film is or isn't. If TCM receives the film(s) a month out, does this give the TCM staff enough time to watch the film all the way through to see if it is an edited version? Or do they just wait and play the film indicating to the audience that it is the original theatrical production, uncut and unedited? These days I am not so sure. I am going to guess that due to the recent budget cutbacks at Time Warner, TCM's staff could have been cut as well, so there isn't the level of scrutiny applied to the films as there were before. This is not an excuse but possibly could have been what happened. This is only speculative on my part. But who knows? Maybe they had someone look at all of the films and they goofed and they showed two films that had edits in them. As markfp2 pointed out TCM is in a no win situation here. I am sure they try to do their best but they are only human and they ARE going to make mistakes sometimes.

Exactly.

Not confusing at all. In 1970, the Academy Awards presented the two Writing Awards like this: Writing (Story and Screenplay--based on factual material or material not previously published or produced) Winner Patton Francis Ford Coppola, Edmund H. North Coppola and North based their screen story and screenplay on factual material from two sources: Patton: Ordeal and triumph by Ladislas Farago, who published his book in 1963; and A Soldier's Story by General Omar Bradley. >his book was published in 1953. Nominees Five Easy Pieces Story by Bob Rafelson, Adrien Joyce; Screenplay by Adrien Joyce Joe Norman Wexler Love Story Erich Segal My Night at Maud's Eric Rohmer Writing (Screenplay--based on material from another medium) Winner M*A*S*H Ring Lardner, Jr. Nominees Airport George Seaton I Never Sang for My Father Robert Anderson Lovers and Other Strangers Renee Taylor, Joseph Bologna, David Zelag Goodman Women in Love Larry Kramer

Actor John Bernadino portrayed the uncredited character of Glen Cove Police Sergeant Emile Klinger in North By Northwest. Bernadino is often mentioned as having appeared in the silent Our Gang comedies as a child actor but has not been identified as having appeared in any of those existing films. After attending college at USC where he played baseball, he went on to have a distinguished career playing second base and short stop for the St. Louis Browns, the Cleveland Indians, and the Pittsburgh Pirates. His baseball career was interrupted by serving in our armed forces during WWII. After injuring his leg during 1952 while playing for the Pirates, he retired from baseball and took up acting again. Throughout the 1950's and early 1960's he appeared in many movies and television series often as a supporting character actor type of role. In 1963 he was offered the role of Dr. Steve Hardy in the daytime soap opera, General Hospital where he stayed until his death of cancer in 1996.

He is just kidding you!

I'm sorry. Not these days with so many sophisticated posters on the boards. I have to be on my toes around here Fred. Sorry I stepped on yours.

So, whats your point? That there are just so many other places a person can watch these films? I get that. You seem to want TCM to be the place where just pre-1960 or possibly pre-1970 films can be seen. Guess what? There aren't many other places where one can see a lot of 1970 films either. You are right that there are many other channels where one can find those types of films. But are you willing to actually perform some hard research and look at the schedules of those other channels and see just how many 1970-era films ARE being broadcast? If this is your point, a point you have been trying to make for some time, it is not my goal to sit here and debate you about this. My goal was to simply state that your opinion was just that, an opinion that "most 1970s films are so bad, nobody wants to see them. NO DEMOGRAPHIC is interested in them." I'd really like to know where you get your misplaced ideas? These are just your opinions based on what a few others around the message boards have written in the past? Because I have to tell you that I think and research proves this that many of the films during the 1970's are just as good if not better than many of the so-called Hollywood Studio Era produced films from the 1930's to the 1950's. I'd say that there were many years from the early 1930's through the end of the 1950's where one would be hard pressed to find at least ten well made films from each year. Can you do that? Come up like I did with ten good films from each year of a decade? The 1930's, the 1940's, or the 1950's. I think you are going to be disappointed to find that many of those individual years will not produce that many good films. But again this is simply an opinion not fact. The devil is always in the details. Something some folks would rather not talk about.

I agree! You speaking of my long list? I decided to hold each year to ten films. I could have very easily added another ten or twenty for each year as well. But then that list would have ended up being twelve pages long. I am afraid Fred would have stopped after the first page. The goal was to show to Fred that there were a lot of really fine movies made during the 1970's and that I was trying to debunk his comment about demographics.

This is a very worthy cause you have taken upon yourself. If anything, it will be and has been a history lesson of viewing many movies that probably would have gone unseen by you. There are plenty of movie books out there that explore which films are the best, most and least appreciated, movies for men, movies for women, kid's movies, and so on. Then as it is here on the message boards under the Genre Forum you have separate categories for all of the film genre's. Have you visited any of those genre forum's? Lots of discussions on each about a myriad of subjects for each category. You should check them out, there are really a lot of great discussions there. But it does sound as if you have seen quite a few films and have enjoyed them as well. Good for you. Many of us here on the message boards have our own video libraries where we can access favorites at anytime. My library used to be well over 1,000 films but last summer I decided to sell three volumes of 100 titled film collections. Never had enough time to watch them all. So I sold them to other interested parties. Hopefully they will get a kick out of seeing them. Since I am out of work right now I have placed a moratorium on my purchasing ANY movie to add to my collection, at least until I am gainfully employed again. When I first started collecting back in the 1980's obviously I collected VHS movies. And almost all of the films I purchased were high quality releases. And then the DVD revolution happened and I started to purchase DVD's. I still have about 200 VHS tapes, both bought new and then taped off of movie channels. At one time I had well over 800 VHS tapes. Almost all of them have been replaced by DVD's. But I have decided that in the future most of my purchases will be of the titles I still have on VHS. After that I can then add other more worthwhile films to my collection. It has been fun and at times frustrating. You should check out my LISTS thread and FrankGrimes Torture thread over on the Favorites Forum. You will find pages upon pages of lists created by many people and on FrankGrimes thread many lists followed by detailed and elaborate discussions. You may be able to find some unseen gems there as well to add to your movie watching pleasure. Good luck with your continued movie schedule and welcome to the boards! Fxreyman

This is YOUR opinion Fred. Please consider stopping wasting your time trying to convince others about your feelings about any decade after the 1950's not having ANY well-made films. You can't do it. I bet if you were to really sit down and look at all of the films released during the 1970's you would suddenly realize that there were some really great films released back then. The only demographic that apparently does not like post 1960 films are those of you folks out there clinging to the belief that only pre 1960 films belong on TCM... Here are ten films from each year that could easily be called some of the best of the 1970's: 1970 Diary of a Madhouse Five Easy Pieces The Great White Hope I Never Sang for My Father Julius Caesar Little Big Man MASH Monte Walsh Patton Tora! Tora! Tora! 1971 The Andromeda Strain A Clockwork Orange Dirty Harry The Emigrants Fiddler on the Roof The French Connection Harold and Maude The Hospital Klute The Last Picture Show 1972 '1776' Aguirre, the Wrath of God Cabaret The Candidate Deliverance The Godfather Junior Bonner The Poseidon Adventure Sleuth Sounder 1973 American Graffiti Day for Night The Day of the Jackal Th Paper Chase Papillon Save the Tiger Scenes From a Marriage The Sting The Three Musketeers A Touch of Class 1974 Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore Blazing Saddles Chinatown The Conversation The Four Musketeers The Godfather, Part II The Longest Yard Murder on the Orient Express A Woman Under the Influence Young Frankenstein 1975 Bite the Bullet The Day of the Locust Dog Day Afternoon Farewell, My Lovely Jaws The Man Who Would Be King Monty Python and the Holy Grail Nashville One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest Three Days of the Condor 1976 All the President’s Men Bound for Glory Marathon Man Network The Omen The Outlaw Josey Wales Robin and Marion Rocky The Shootist Silver Streak 1977 Annie Hall Black Sunday A Bridge Too Far Close Encounters of the Third Kind The Goodbye Girl Julia Opening Night Saturday Night Fever Star Wars The Turning Point 1978 Autumn Sonata Coming Home The Deer Hunter Go Tell the Spartans Grease Heaven Can Wait Interiors Invasion of the Body Snatchers Superman An Unmarried Woman 1979 '10' Being There Breaking Away The China Syndrome Heartland Kramer vs. Kramer Manhattan Nosferatu the Vampire Starting Over Time After Time

Yes, some posters should know this about themselves.

Thanks Scott! Very nice of you to remember. The best time I can have on my b-day is to be notified that I have been hired by someone here in the Chicago area. But other than that I still have the message boards to return to. Hope all is well with you my old friend!!! Rey

Yes, you are going blind! The purpose of this thread was to see which Academy Award winning Best Picture would come in at number one through ten. Both of these films were nominated for Best Picture, but did not win Best Picture.

Talk about much ado about nothing..... So they advertise months in advance. Even weeks in advanced. The days leading up to the month. It is called advertising. Everyone does it. I am shocked to learn that some people around here think that TCM does self-promote itself.

This is good and useful-helpful information. Thank you for doing this. But clearly does not resolve the issue Sepiatone is speaking to. I checked. Thursday, January 29th the schedule had been changed by TCM to show a tribute to Rod Taylor. So whatever films that were scheduled before a decision was made to showcase a tribute to Taylor, were put off and or rescheduled for another night of viewing. TCM does this all the time, especially whenever anyone of significance passes away. I am not a programming person, but I think what happened is that the programming guide that Sepiatone was referring to had not yet been updated or changed to reflect the TCM schedule change for that evening. I have often turned on my set to see a similar guide only to see something different being shown on the channel where I thought something else would be on.

I am assuming the evening that you were going to watch the other movie, based on what you saw on the programming grid or whatever it is called... guide (?) was the evening TCM changed it's programming for a Rod Taylor tribute? I am not getting TCM now so I pay little attention to what is on unless it is something of value to discuss, beyond a film's showing on TCM. If that was the case I am sure the cable guide on your tv was not updated in time to reflect this change. I am fairly sure that the guide is not updated as soon as everyone seems to think that it is.

Very interesting to see 4 out of the top ten (11 with ties) being from post 1960. 40% ain't bad for such a poll like this. Should be interesting to see what kind of comments will be made because of this. I am surprised to see Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven listed so high on this poll.

Hey, I never wrote that you said "all the time". I was just responding to you with my own theory. As far as the time between certain showings of certain films and the shorter amount of time between said films is concerned, I really do not believe that TCM is cutting anything. For one thing they have gone on record as saying that they do not edit films themselves. The other thing and I and several others have repeated this one often enough is that TCM probably does not have enough say in the running times of films they receive from whichever distributor has a movie or a batch of movies they lease or rent. If they were to ask for and then receive No Way Out, the 1950 film with Richard Widmark and once it was shown you and several others were to point out that the ending credits were not shown, the first thing that would be written is that TCM cut the credits. Where as I think what happens is that TCM has no control over what the films edited nature was to begin with. And since the cutbacks were announced last year from Time Warner affecting the staff at TCM, one could probably say that they don't have the staff to adequately monitor or search to see if the films match the original running time of said film or not. Ultimately you are looking for an absolute resolution to what you perceive as some sort of wrongdoing or mistake made by whomever is involved. This is not the first time you have written something like this. It is almost as if you hold TCM so high up on a pedestal that when something is amiss you try and assign blame or here where you continue to write that the distributors should be held accountable for some sort of misdeed on their part. Listen, this is a movie channel. They are going to make mistakes. They are not perfect. No one is. When Robert Osborne says something that is not entirely correct you would think that God has spoken wrongly. We are all human and we all are not perfect. So please stop with this over-reaching you are doing. It makes you seem to appear as some sort of unreasonable sort when we all know you are not. Does something need to change? Yes and no. It depends on who you ask. Most people are happy with the films they show, with a few who go off their rocker the moment any edited film appears. Again, TCM is not perfect. You trying to hold them up higher than most anything else is noble but also a time wasting effort.

You really want to continue with this? Why don't we leave it be...

I never wrote that she did.

Although in this case member TopBilled chose to change the subject matter every few days or whenever the conversation petered out. Though I agree that another thread should be started instead of continuing on within one thread with multiple and separate conversations. His belief that there would be too many threads on this forum is silly. We have plenty of newer threads being created each day. An additional new thread about a different subject matter won't be a cause for alarm. Heck, everyone else creates new threads each day.....

It is called sour grapes.

Yes it is sad.