fxreyman

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I am curious..... What is it with Howard Hawks that you do not like? It couldn't be because he directed the following films, can it? El Dorado Man's Favorite Sport? Hatari! Rio Bravo Gentlemen Prefer Blondes Monkey Business The Big Sky The Thing from Another World (uncredited) Red River The Big Sleep To Have and Have Not Corvette K-225 (uncredited) The Outlaw (uncredited) Air Force Ball of Fire Sergeant York His Girl Friday Only Angels Have Wings Bringing Up Baby Twentieth Century Scarface The Dawn Patrol You know by looking at the above list that Howard Hawks was versatile at directing in quite a few different genres: comedies, dramas, gangster films, science fiction, film noir, and Westerns. I think from what I have read about him that he is the one director who developed the prototype of the post-feminist movement in the "Hawksian" woman archetype. He wasn't sympathetic to feminism, it is just that he projected through his films this ideal that women could be just as strong as men and could have their own way of thinking. And because of this style of allowing women to act like full-fledged characters, women in general became stronger characters in movies afterwards. All you have to do is look at the strong female actors in Bringing Up Baby, Only Angels Have Wings, His Girl Friday, Ball of Fire, To Have and Have Not and The Big Sleep. The other thing about his movies is the way dialogue was used. The screenplay or story was spoken by the actors in a very loose way, more like a conversational way. The way you and I would speak to one another. The dialogue sounded like everyday talking. It was not stilted in anyway, like so many other films from that period. I am always amazed at how the dialogue is spoken at such a fast rate in His Girl Friday. And even though he made some great films, it is a darn shame he never won an Oscar for any of his films. He did however receive a special Oscar in 1975 for his contributions to the film industry. If it wasn't for Olivier winning for Hamlet in 1948, I think Hawks could have won for Red River, although he was not nominated in that category for that film. In fact he was only nominated for Oscar's Best Director once. Can you name that film?

Just for your info, what happened to you has often happened to everyone else here on the message boards. You will have posted a reply to someone, and before you know it the message has been deleted. And they will never say anything to you about it. Unless of course they think you are harassing another member, then you will get a personal message about that. A suggestion: You may want to re-post your original message from here and into the Technical Issues with the Message Boards area under General Issues. The admins may be able to respond to you better there, than here on the General Discussions araea of the message board. Fxreyman

I agree. York is not a religious film. Although it does show the character engaged in religious thoughts and has the character going to church. It mostly deals with how York thinks of God and the bible and how it relates to killing another human being. The real York also converted after years of drinking and carousing. But the real York was a killing machine during in WWI. At least as far as his real life exploits during the second phase of the ****-Argonne Offensive. I think that Frank should watch this film. It is a very good history lesson with a few inaccuracies thrown in (for Hollywood's sake, as usual).

Well I disagree with that statement. Always quick to judge everyone else because you don't know any better. As I have always maintained, it is so much easier to complain or to judge a person or a group because you think you know better what they went through based on your own life or circumstances. The thing is you, me or anyone else here will never know what he thought, what he hoped for, what he wished for, the only thing we have is what others have said about him and that is it. He was a man. He was an actor. Some say he was the greatest actor of all time. Some say he was a patriot. Others want to deny his place in film history. Some say he was a nobody. But the last thing anybody should ever say about a person is something that may or may not be true about that person only because you have certain feelings about the person based on what your beliefs are or what you have heard from others about the person. No one is perfect. Far from it. Marion Robert Morrison was not perfect either. He made his fair share of mistakes through out his life. But you know what? I would rather look up to him than to have to rely on today's politicians, or movie stars to look up to. He was my hero. Still is. And it is not because he was the greatest, it was because he tried and kept trying to get better with each performance. He looked like he was comfortable in his own skin, and he looked like he had one hell of a good time doing what he loved best.

Oh, I am just kidding you.......... Normally you write quite long replies and I thought that you might have something else to say about the reasons I gave in addition to what you wrote already. Maybe it is just because I have been sooo busy at work that when I do find the time to write about stuff, I find I am too darn tired to jot anything down. That is why I was thrilled to see all of this attention to list making again.

I think John Wayne's real problem with avoiding the draft was his fear that if had joined up, any momentum he had gained after his success in Stagecoach would have evaporated, and he would have been forced to make "B" movies again. This is from Wikipedia: America's entry into World War II resulted in a deluge of support for the war effort from all sectors of society, and Hollywood was no exception. Many established stars rushed to sign up for military service. As the majority of male leads left Hollywood to serve overseas, John Wayne saw his just-blossoming stardom at risk. Despite enormous pressure from his inner circle of friends, he put off enlisting. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status, classified as 3-A (family deferment). Wayne's secretary recalled making inquiries of military officials on behalf of his interest in enlisting, "but he never really followed up on them." He repeatedly wrote to John Ford, asking to be placed in Ford's military unit, but consistently postponed it until "after he finished one more film." Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing Wayne, especially after the loss of Gene Autry to the Army. Correspondence between Wayne and Herbert J. Yates (the head of Republic) indicates that Yates threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract, though the likelihood of a studio suing its biggest star for going to war was minute. Whether or not the threat was real, Wayne did not test it. Selective Service Records indicate he did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but apparently Republic Pictures intervened directly, requesting his further deferment. In May, 1944, Wayne was reclassified as 1-A (draft eligible), but the studio obtained another 2-A deferment (for "support of national health, safety, or interest"). He remained 2-A until the war's end. Thus, John Wayne did not illegally "dodge" the draft, but he never took direct positive action toward enlistment. Wayne was in the South Pacific theater of the war for three months in 1943?44, touring U.S. bases and hospitals as well as doing some "undercover" work for OSS commander William J. "Wild Bill" Donovan, who thought Wayne's celebrity might be good cover for an assessment of the causes for poor relations between General Douglas MacArthur and Donovan's OSS Pacific network. Wayne filed a report and Donovan gave him a plaque and commendation for serving with the OSS, but Wayne dismissed it as meaningless. The foregoing facts influenced the direction of Wayne's later life. By many accounts, Wayne's failure to serve in the military during World War II was the most painful experience of his life. There were some other stars who, for various reasons, did not enlist. But Wayne, by virtue of becoming a celluloid war hero in several patriotic war films, as well as an outspoken supporter of conservative political causes and the Vietnam War, became the focus of particular disdain from both himself and certain portions of the public, particularly in later years. While some hold Wayne in contempt for the paradox between his early actions and his later attitudes, his widow suggests that Wayne's rampant patriotism in later decades sprang not from hypocrisy but from guilt. Pilar Wayne wrote, "He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."

Is this all you have to say?

The point is they're using outmoded methods of warfare. They are, in fact, putting on as big a show as Hollywood. Except this leads to the loss of life of innocent people. the extreme cost on American taxpayers to support a military like this in a nuclear age (especially when toy soldiers can be replaced by atomic bombs) I have a problem with your above statements in two separate posts. It would be one thing if you had some facts to back up the first statement, but it appears that you do not. Outmoded methods of warfare? I do not think so. Yes, our military could use some substantial cuts in certain areas, but mostly what we have to fight with is the most up to date war fighting machinery. Is it costly? Yes it is. It is called the price of freedom. Do we still need foot soldiers? In many parts of the world the answer is yes. Just look at Afghanistan. We have Army and Marine ground troops fighting there in the mountains. We have just concluded major combat operations in Iraq. Ground forces were needed there as well. Especially in the closed in quarters of cities there. Just as they were needed in WWII in Europe and in the Pacific conflict. The Army also has many ground tanks and other vehicles to help ensure the safety of our ground forces and to also encounter and seek out and destroy our enemy's tanks. What about the Air Force? Yes we still need an Air Force. If you look at our current capability, if it wasn't for our air supremacy over Iraq and Afghanistan, it is quite conceivable we would have lost many more service personnel. There is an attack and logistical aspect to the Air Force. We use close-in fighter support for our ground troops and we also use heavy bombers to destroy more hardened targets like bunkers, buildings, and other installations. Our fighter squadrons also provide CAP (combat air patrol) and also fight other fighters in the air before they can get to our troops on the ground. The Marines? Well, if it wasn't for the Marines then we would have lost the Pacific War, we would have had heavier losses in Vietnam, and Iraq. The Marines were originally developed to be a combat force that came from the sea. They are a division of the Navy. Where the Marines go, the Navy is sure to be right with them with amphibious warfare ships. Helicopter carriers and other huge assault ships that launch helicopters to land troops ashore and they also launch air cushioned hovercraft that can deliver heavier vehicles like tanks ashore. Then there is the Navy. Since our country is separated by thousands of miles of ocean, we need a Navy to protect the sea lanes from adversaries and to project military power close to other countries. Again, without a Navy in WWII, we would have been set back several years. Because of our good luck and the fact that our code breakers had figured out what the Japanese were messaging, we were able to defeat their superior naval force with just three carriers and 15 other support ships at the crucial Battle of Midway in June of 1942. The Navy carried the fight through their plan of island hopping by the Marines and by a strong carrier based fleet that eventually annihilated the Japanese Navy. Today the Navy is stretched even thinner than in years past. Because of all of our treaty agreements with other sea faring nations, the Navy keeps vital sea lanes open due to potential threats from hostile governments. The Strait of Hormuz and the wayward passages near south east Asia are good examples of this. The Navy provides protection from ballistic missile threats for these countries. Specifically Japan, South Korea, Australia, and most if not all of Europe. Do we need all of these ships and aircraft that the Air Force, Navy, Marines and Army have? Yes but also no. It is true that the military has been over compensated for major weapons programs over the years, but in many cases the military never asked for the weapons in the first place. It is usually a congressmen or senator who sees fit to ask for more military hardware for their districts, especially if there are major weapon production companies there. And because these congress people are very good at hiding items in these huge 2,000 plus pages of bills, they usually end up getting what they want at extreme cost to the taxpayer. But I would have to say that even with the amount of forces we have now, that is still not enough to do what this nation's military has been asked to do. Of course we could just bomb the heck out of our adversaries with nuclear weapons, but then we would not be here much longer, in that case. Our nuclear deterrent is based on a triad program. Three legs working together in case one or two get wiped out. We have the Air Force involved with two of the legs: Land-based strategic ballistic missiles and long-range bombers. The Navy provides the other leg of the triad with their very quiet-running ballistic missile submarines. So in case some country (lets say China) finds a way to destroy most of our land-based missiles and bombers, then the thought is that our remaining submarines would be able to offer a counter-strike. We have the finest fighting force on the planet. That has been proven time and time again. When I see a member of the Armed Forces, especially here in Colorado Springs, I always offer my thanks for their devotion of duty and to their sacrifice. As far as loss of life of civilians, unfortunately in war that is going to happen. Just as the Japanese did in WWII Al-Quida is doing the same now. They place many of their soldiers and hardware either near civilian populations or smack dab in the middle of one of their homes or neighborhoods, daring the US to attack. We have been as careful as we can when attacking these positions, but to be quite honest with you, there will be a loss of life. In any conflict. Hope this helps. Message edited by fxreyman

Is it just me, or does someone here remind you of someone from everyone's past here on the boards with a combined posting total of over 40,000?

So you want my top ten favorites list huh? Well, as you well know, I like making lists. Usually though the lists are without numbers in front of the titles. But like so many others have indicated here, their lists change quite often. I know yours do not, you claim however. So, out of the western movies I own I will give you my top twenty-five, okay? That should make you happy! Again, this list will be a list of favorites out of all the westerns I own. A list of my favorite westerns of all-time is another completely different list, just so we are straight on this. I did forget one thing however when publishing my first list a couple of nights ago. I recently purchased the 20-Film Westerns Super Pack that has 20 some odd films on it from TV and film. However I am somewhat dubious as to include them here. But since only two of the films on these two discs are TV made, I have decided to include them anyway. So if I add these films to my collection, my numbers would be 85 instead of 72. The new number of films at 85 would be more, but I have decided to remove some films. I have decided that a few of the films I originally included in my first list do not represent the west, entirely or even somewhat. The Last of the Mohicans, Gettysburg, Glory, and Rough Riders are historical films about a certain period of time in American history. Even though they may have horses and gun battles IMHO they are films about war. The Sundowners is about an Australian family seeking work in the outback and even though horses appear, it is not really a western film. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, could be considered a western film, but IMHO it really is a morality drama with some western mythology thrown into it. And Lone Star (Chris Cooper) which is really one of my all-time favorites is a modern who-done-it played out in a western border town. This is not a real western either. Now some of the other titles I have here could also be considered to be non-westerns as well. But they are here because their central theme, though in modern times do take place in a western landscape and have all the normal trappings of western lore to deal with. That is why Bad Day at Black Rock, Bite the Bullet, Blazing Saddles, City Slickers, Comes a Horseman, The Electric Horseman, Giant, Hud, Junior Bonner, Legends of the Fall, Lonely Are the Brave, Powderkeg and The Professionals are here as well. They may be films set in modern times, but are still westerns IMHO. So here then is my "so-called" complete list of westerns in my film library that I will pick for my top twenty-five: The Alamo Angel and the Badman Bad Day at Black Rock The Ballad of Cable Hogue Between God, the Devil and a Winchester The Big Country Bite the Bullet Blazing Saddles Blue Steel Boot Hill Broken Lance Buchanan Rides Alone Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid Chino Chisum City Slickers Comanche Station Comes a Horseman Conagher (tv movie) The Cowboys Cry Blood Apache Dances With Wolves Decision at Sundown Desperate Mission (tv movie) Dodge City The Electric Horseman El Dorado Fort Apache Giant The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly The Grand Duel The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral The Gunfighter The Hanged Man Hellbenders How the West Was Won Hud It Can Be Done Amigo Jeremiah Johnson Junior Bonner Kid Vengeance Legends of the Fall Little Big Man Lonely Are the Brave The Magnificent Seven The Man From Laramie The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance McLintock! My Darling Clementine My Outlaw Brother The Naked Spur Once Upon a Time in the West Open Range The Outlaw Josey Wales The Ox-Bow Incident Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid Powderkeg (tv movie pilot) The Professionals Rage at Dawn Red River Ride Lonesome Ride the High Country Rio Bravo Rio Grande The Searchers She Wore a Yellow Ribbon The Shootist Song of Arizona Stagecoach The Sundowners (Robert Preston) Support Your Local Sheriff! The Tall T They Died With Their Boots On Three Godfathers This Man Can't Die To the Last Man Tom Horn True Grit Union Pacific White Comanche The Wild Bunch Will Penny Winchester ?73 Winds of the Wasteland Wyatt Earp And now...... the moment old Frank has been waiting for, my top 25 favorite westerns: 1. The Professionals 2. Bite the Bullet 3. Winchester '73 4. My Darling Clementine 5. The Man From Laramie 6. Chisum 7. El Dorado 8. Ride the High Country 9. She Wore a Yellow Ribbon 10. Support Your Local Sheriff! 11. Fort Apache 12. Will Penny 13. McLintock! 14. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance 15. Lonely Are the Brave 16. Rio Bravo 17. The Searchers 18. True Grit 19. Red River 20. The Shootist 21. The Outlaw Josey Wales 22. The Ox-Bow Incident 23. The Magnificent Seven 24. Open Range 25. Powderkeg Now let me say a few things about my selection process. This is the part that Frank likes the best, even more so I think than the actual list. There are several ways one can select their favorite films. One is by pure enjoyment, another is by how many times they have watched a particular film, another would be who of their favorite actors are in the film, and so on. My criteria is quite simple: If one of these films is on tv, while I am surfing the putrid tv landscape and I stop and watch it, that probably means more to me than any other factor. Because I am stopping at a particular point in the film is not important, rather it is the film itself, based on my previous experience with the film. The other main reason why I select certain films is usually the ensemble acting. I really love films that have several main characters but also have a fine supporting cast. That is crucial to me. I really never enjoy just watching one person dominate a story. For instance, I love Chisum (1970), one of the Dukes last westerns before he started to get sick again from cancer. Here his character is the main driving force in the film. But, the other minor characters get quite a bit of screen time as well. Especially Ben Johnson and Forrest Tucker. I like that. My experience at watching the above 25 is unlike any other experiences I have. Take The Professionals for instance. That movie could be playing on some tv channel with commercials every 10 minutes or so, but I will still sit there and be glued to my set. I enjoy the film that much. And that film to me is a pure joy to watch. I know that John Wayne is my favorite actor, and many of his films are represented here, I think it says a lot that not one John Wayne western is in my top five. Instead, I have chosen other more character driven films. And that is what I have chosen for my top five. Great acting, especially ensemble acting. The writing is great, and the action never lets up. The Professionals is really as tory about how four, completely different men are thrown together to solve a problem. Each are "professionals" in their respected areas. But what is so good about this film is the interplay between not only the four leads, but also what happens when they learn they have been "duped". Even though their employer may not have been so upfront with them, they continue on to conclude their "contract", even though they know it to be false. Bite the Bullet is a true love from the start. I know, I know, Gene Hackman as a cowboy? Why not. A true test of acting to be sure. He comes across as a genuine person who deeply cares about the animals he has to take care of. But this film based in part on actual horse endurance races of the early 20th century is also a character study. The ensemble acting is great here as well. James Coburn, Candice Bergen, Ben Johnson, even Dabney Coleman all provide great lessons in acting. The scenery is beautiful as is the use of (at the time) still operating steam locomotives. The scene where Gene Hackman's character reflects on how he met his wife in Cuba is priceless. And, who can not remember a more poignant moment when Ben Johnson's character tells Hackman how he made it through life and how he wants to be remembered. Winchester '73. Now here is an intense character study of one man's (well two really) to find the killer of his father. **SPOILER ALERT** And it's his brother!! Of all people. And they meet, several times until the final confrontation on those rocks. Another great example of ensemble acting. I especially love the way Millard Mitchell provides the voice of reason to Jimmy Stewart's character. So hopefully this gives Frank and everyone else a little insight into how I look at films and how I make selections for top "whatever lists". And remember, this is just my list of favorite westerns that I own. If you want another list, you will have to ask nicely! Now it is time to mosey on over to the general store. See you all a little later today...... Message edited by fxreyman

And another thing, (and I know some people will read my previous comments that way) I am not advocating that TCM adopt the way films are shown like AMC or other movie channels. The type of films TCM shows is fine. They manage to sprinkle in with their older selection of films more recent titles. And that is okay with me. A good across the visual spectrum kind of schedule would be good, and would help bring in more younger viewers who have never had the pleasure of watching The Adventures of Robin Hood, or It Happened One Night, or All Quiet on the Western Front..... well hopefully you get the message.

I applaud you for your list. Although I must admit that some of your choices I would not have selected, yours is a good starting point for a discussion. And considering that films made beginning in 1969 are now 41 years of age, it is about time some people start to realize that the films that they have been criticizing over the years for not being "so-called" classics are now classics. Some people on this board seem to think that nothing made after 1960 should be allowed to be shown here. What they don't realize is that a film does not have to be ancient to be considered a classic. We had a discussion like this several months ago on another thread. The thoughts that I presented you would have thought I was trying to introduce Communism or something to the board. People have to be willing to some degree to accept the fact that we are all getting older and that many of us have had pleasant movie experiences from films we just saw ten years ago or even more recently. And just because a movie is recent does not mean it can not be considered a classic. One movie my wife and I enjoyed immensely was last year's Crazy Heart with Jeff Bridges. Fine, fine film, excellent writing, great acting and a heart-warming story. That is one film from 2009 that I would call an instant classic. But of course some people will never acknowledge the existence of recent films and so they confine themselves to watching films made before they were born or before the hays Code was abolished. They are missing some really well made films.

I have never been able to understand why soooo many people around here want to know what is coming so many months out. It is almost as if they are planning their days and nights based on what will be shown on TCM. That is sad. I can see a conversation developing this way: Oh, let me check TCM's schedule for that night, Susan. Oh, I am sorry Sorry, Wrong Number is on that night, so I will have to postpone our get together, because even though I have the movie on DVD-R and DVD and on Netflix, I just have to watch the special intro by Robert Osbourne and see if he says anything new that I have not heard before. And then I HAVE to watch it because there is nothing like watching a film on TCM that I have seen ten times before. There is no way I could even do that. Especially if my days/nights then are like what they are now, working twelve hour days....... and working 2 to 3 entire weekends out of each month as well.

They weren't my favorites, just the westerns I have in my library. But I guess I could be cajolled into creating a list of favorites...... maybe tomorrow.

I'm the one with the varied tastes around here, that's how! My list isn't just Ford and Wayne! Neither is mine.

I'm the one with the varied tastes around here, that's how! My list isn't just Ford and Wayne! Neither is mine.

Sorry...... double post So I took your list of "ranked westerns" and added Chris' list and made my own list. Now these are westerns I have in my library. The ones bolded are the ones you both mentioned. I have a fairly good collection of westerns, but I'd really like to get my hands on some of the better Glenn Ford westerns of the 50's. VHS *Angel and the Badman* 1947 Bite the Bullet 1975 Broken Lance 1953 City Slickers 1990 Comes a Horseman 1978 Conagher (tv movie) 1994 *The Gunfighter* 1950 Lonely Are the Brave 1962 *The Naked Spur* 1953 Rough Riders 1995 The Sundowners 1960 *Union Pacific* 1939 DVD The Alamo 1960 Bad Day at Black Rock 1955 The Ballad of Cable Hogue 1970 *The Big Country* 1959 Blazing Saddles 1974 Buchanan Rides Alone 1958 Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid 1969 Chisum 1970 Comanche Station 1960 The Cowboys 1972 Dances With Wolves 1990 Decision at Sundown 1957 Dodge City 1940 The Electric Horseman 1979 El Dorado 1967 *Fort Apache* 1948 Gettysburg 1993 Giant 1956 Glory 1989 *The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly* 1966 *The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral* 1957 How the West Was Won 1962 Hud 1963 Jeremiah Johnson 1972 Junior Bonner 1972 The Last of the Mohicans 1992 Legends of the Fall 1994 Little Big Man 1970 Lone Star 1996 *The Magnificent Seven* 1960 *The Man From Laramie* 1955 *The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance* 1962 *McLintock!* 1963 *My Darling Clementine* 1946 *Once Upon a Time in the West* 1969 Open Range 2003 The Outlaw Josey Wales 1976 *The Ox-Bow Incident* 1943 Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid 1973 *The Professionals* 1966 Red River 1948 *Ride Lonesome* 1959 *Ride the High Country* 1962 *Rio Bravo* 1959 *Rio Grande* 1950 *The Searchers* 1956 *She Wore a Yellow Ribbon* 1949 The Shootist 1976 *Stagecoach* 1939 Support Your Local Sheriff! 1969 *The Tall T* 1957 They Died With Their Boots On 1942 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre 1948 Three Godfathers 1948 Tom Horn 1979 True Grit 1969 *The Wild Bunch* 1969 Will Penny 1968 *Winchester ?73* 1950 Wyatt Earp 1994 Edited by: fxreyman on Oct 7, 2010 12:14 AM

So I took your list of "ranked westerns" and added Chris' list and made my own list. Now these are westerns I have in my library. The ones bolded are the ones you both mentioned. I have a fairly good collection of westerns, but I'd really like to get my hands on some of the better Glenn Ford westerns of the 50's. VHS *Angel and the Badman* 1947 Bite the Bullet 1975 Broken Lance 1953 City Slickers 1990 Comes a Horseman 1978 Conagher (tv movie) 1994 *The Gunfighter* 1950 Lonely Are the Brave 1962 *The Naked Spur* 1953 Rough Riders 1995 The Sundowners 1960 *Union Pacific* 1939 DVD The Alamo 1960 Bad Day at Black Rock 1955 The Ballad of Cable Hogue 1970 *The Big Country* 1959 Blazing Saddles 1974 Buchanan Rides Alone 1958 Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid 1969 Chisum 1970 Comanche Station 1960 The Cowboys 1972 Dances With Wolves 1990 Decision at Sundown 1957 Dodge City 1940 The Electric Horseman 1979 El Dorado 1967 *Fort Apache* 1948 Gettysburg 1993 Giant 1956 Glory 1989 *The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly* 1966 *The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral* 1957 How the West Was Won 1962 Hud 1963 Jeremiah Johnson 1972 Junior Bonner 1972 The Last of the Mohicans 1992 Legends of the Fall 1994 Little Big Man 1970 Lone Star 1996 *The Magnificent Seven* 1960 *The Man From Laramie* 1955 *The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance* 1962 *McLintock!* 1963 *My Darling Clementine* 1946 *Once Upon a Time in the West* 1969 Open Range 2003 The Outlaw Josey Wales 1976 *The Ox-Bow Incident* 1943 Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid 1973 *The Professionals* 1966 Red River 1948 *Ride Lonesome* 1959 *Ride the High Country* 1962 *Rio Bravo* 1959 *Rio Grande* 1950 *The Searchers* 1956 *She Wore a Yellow Ribbon* 1949 The Shootist 1976 *Stagecoach* 1939 Support Your Local Sheriff! 1969 *The Tall T* 1957 They Died With Their Boots On 1942 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre 1948 Three Godfathers 1948 Tom Horn 1979 True Grit 1969 *The Wild Bunch* 1969 Will Penny 1968 *Winchester ?73* 1950 Wyatt Earp 1994

What ya doin'???? You been lookin' and copyin' my lists??

You might want to check this thread out: http://forums.tcm.com/jive/tcm/thread.jspa?threadID=140818&start=0&tstart=0 They talk in great detail about Lithgow's and TCM's selections for films for kids. Some of the choices are odd, but do make some sense for early childhood.

There are actually quite a few really well made Hollywood films and mini-series that depict actual events and or historical moments that are all quite good and tell their stories with a minimal amount of inaccuracies. So lets take a look at history and how film has tried to tell their stories. Early Man: Quest for Fire 1981 Biblical: Jesus of Nazareth (TV) 1977 The Story of David (TV) 1976 The Fall of the Roman Empire 1964 Early Europeans: The Vikings 1958 England: The Adventures of Robin Hood 1938 Braveheart 1995 Henry V 1989 A Man for All Seasons 1966 The Bounty 1984 English Naval battles: The Sea Hawk 1940 Damn the Defiant! 1962 Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World 2003 Colonial America: The Black Robe 1991 Northwest Passage 1940 The Madness of King George 1994 John Paul Jones 1959 John Adams (HBO) 2008 The Man Without a Country (TV) 1973 Colonial Africa: Zulu 1964 Mexican-American War: The Last Command 1955 American Civil War: Friendly Persuasion 1955 Glory 1989 The Red Badge of Courage 1951 The Prisoner of Shark Island 1936 Ken Burn's The Civil War (PBS) 1990 American Cowboys: Conagher (TV) 1991 Will Penny 1968 Monte Walsh 1970 The Far Country 1955 Red River 1948 The Cowboys 1972 Lawmen / Outlaws / Stage: The Gunfighter 1950 Lawman 1971 The Tin Star 1957 Stagecoach 1939 Wells Fargo 1937 Wagon Master 1950 Winchester '73 1950 Boer War / Spanish-American War / Early 20th century: Breaker Morant 1979 Rough Riders (TV) 1990s Bite the Bullet 1975 World War One: All Quiet on the Western Front 1930 Sergeant York 1941 Just after WWI: A River Runs Through It 1992 The Court Martial of Billy Mitchell 1955 The Depression: The Grapes of Wrath 1940 The American Clock (TV) 1993 King of the Hill 1993 Places in the Heart 1984 Bound for Glory 1976 Sounder 1972 Cinderella Man 2005 World War II: Hope and Glory 1987 Sink the Bismarck! 1960 Tora! Tora! Tora! 1070 From Here to Eternity 1953 They Were Expendable 1945 Das Boot 1981 The Enemy Below 1957 Run Silent, Run Deep 1958 A Walk in the Sun 1945 The Desert Fox 1951 Twelve O'Clock High 1949 Patton 1970 MacArthur 1977 The Longest Day 1962 Band of Brothers (HBO) 2001 Cross of Iron 1977 Battleground 1949 Sands of Iwo Jima 1949 The Halls of Montezuma 1950 Mission of the Shark (TV) 1991 Day One (TV) 1987 The Men 1950 The Best Years of Our Lives 1946 Korea: The Bridges at Toko-Ri 1954 The Steel Helmet 1951 Pork Chop Hill 1959 Men in War 1957 Men of the Fighting Lady 1954 Mid-Fifties: American Graffiti 1973 Strategic Air Command 1955 Space: The Right Stuff 1983 Apollo 13 1995 From the Earth to the Moon (HBO) 1998 One of the very best about the culture of the Indian and the early white settlers: Centennial (TV) 1978 Message edited by Fxreyman

Oh, I wasn't trying to start up anything..... I appreciate your thoughts and musings about the movies...... This was not meant to be an indictment of you or anyone else here on this thread. Just being a little playful, that's all.

Boy, if I didn't know any better I would have thought that this thread was really about all of the banned members of this message board who have kept coming back under new user names and posting once again......

Wow! To each his / her own. You all have to be kidding right?