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Is this really true? What would the criteria be? Number of posts, good spelling, evidence of classic movie knowledge or is this just a joke....tell me please. I love the caption on the different corporate sponsors.
I have to say this is the first month in my 20 years of watching TCM that I have been totally turned off by the offerings, the way they were presented and the total lack of information, either posted as an introduction to the film or in the full schedule. I watch movies and am totally clueless as to what made them eligible for the 31 YEARS of OSCAR unless I access Google. Too much trouble.
My answer to your question is the title of this thread.
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In an effort to boost viewership among the prized 18-34 year old.demographic, TCM has partnered with AMC, and will.stream successive seasons of The Walking.Dead, Breaking Bad, and Mad Men. TCManagement has scheduled a series of seminars with their AMC counterparts, in order to learn what the latter station has done to increase viewers and bring in more revenue to a classic movie station.. In a related move, Bob Dorian and Nick Clooney have been hired to explain the finer points of Robert Osborne's and Ben Mankiewicz' retirement plans to them, and their future options.
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Scientists found a portal to a parallel universe. In this alternate.reality, Divine never died. She became a big mainstream.success in the tv show, "Married With Children", and starred in two more John Waters films, CRY BABY and SERIAL MOM. However, she decided that her mega success as America's Sweetheart meant she shouldn't work anymore for the somewhat sordid director. She also decided she couldn't stay away from the Atlantic Seaboard, but as she felt that Baltimore was too parochial for her cosmopolitan tastes,.she relocated.to Atlantic City. There she met none other than Chris Christie, and the two entered.into wedded.bliss. Together, she pushed him.to the Governor's Mansion, and in 2016, to the White House. The famous celebrity couple, known for their stylishness, were often compared to Jack and Jackie Kennedy. Camelot all over.again!
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TCM will invite some of the active.messageboard.members to be a member of their "Inner Circle". All questions elicited from the invitees, in the form of detailed questionnaires, will be for the sole.purpose of having the members' suggestions and input to be incorporated into the day-to-day and ongoing TCM programming, special events and operations.
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Yes! I love Robert Ryan, and am happy he will be SOTM, even with the repeat (it has been over 15 years). He was in so many great films, and he made so many films great by being in them. Looking forward to May!
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On FMC (all.times eastern):
Tuesday, 2/9:
3:30 am: SATAN NEVER SLEEPS (1962)...............................6 am: HOUSE OF STRANGERS (1949)................................7:45 am: CRASH DIVE (1943)................................9:35 am: DECISION BEFORE DAWN (1951)..............................11:40 am: THE QUILLER MEMORANDUM (1966)...................................1:30 pm: THE TERRORISTS (1975)....................
Wednesday,.2/10:
4 am: HOUSE OF STRANGERS (1949)....................................6 am: CRASH DIVE (1943)......................................7:50 am: DECISION BEFORE.DAWN (1951)....................................9:55 am: THE QUILLER MEMORANDUM (1966)........................................11:45.am: THE TERRORISTS (1975).................................1:15 pm: TROUBLE MAN (1972)....................
Thursday, 2/11:
3 am: TROUBLE MAN (1972).....................................4:45.am: GANG WAR (1958)....................................6 am: THE CALL OF THE WILD (1935)...............................7:45 am: JITTERBUGS (1943)...................................8:45 am: IT HAPPENED IN FLATBUSH (1942).....................................10:10 am: THE PRIDE OF ST. LOUIS (1952)................................11:45 am: THE BLUE BIRD (1940).......................................1:15 pm: THE MUDLARK (1950).........+...........
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A post on the Home Theater Forum says that today's showing of Forever Amber on FMC contained additional scenes/dialogue not present in previous FMC/home-video versions.
FOREVER AMBER will be on twice tomorrow morning on FMC, @ 3:30 am, and 12:40.pm.. So we can compare.which version is being shown on the channel.
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Are there females who accumulate hundreds of various undergarments?
Maybe we should suggest the internet equivalent of "Get a room!", which would be "PM each other". Lol.
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Mitchum recorded a calypso record? Or is this the record for The Night of the Hunter? I haven't seen The Night of the Hunter but I think I have it recorded on my DVR.
Maybe he got into Calypso when he was filming FIRE DOWN BELOW on Trinidad, with Rita Haworth and Jack Lemmon.
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On FMC (all times eastern):
Friday, 2/5:
3:30 am: CAPTAIN FROM CASTILE (1947)...............................6 am: CALL ME MISTER (1951)............................7:45 am: THE BEAUTIFUL BLONDE OF BASHFUL BEND (1949)..............................9:15 am: THE PURPLE HEART (1944)...........................11 am: THE GIRL IN THE RED VELVET SWING (1955).............................12:50 pm: THE BLACK ROSE (1950).................
Saturday, 2/6:
4 am: WHITE FEATHER (1955).................................6 am: THE BLACK ROSE (1950)...............................8:10 am: A BLUEPRINT FOR MURDER (1953).................................9:30 am: THE GIRL IN THE RED VELVET SWING (1955)............................11:20 am: THE BLUE ANGEL (1959)..............................1:15 pm: WHITE FEATHER (1955)...................
Sunday, 2/7:
3:30 am: FOREVER AMBER (1947).................................6 am: A BLUEPRINT FOR MURDER (1953).......................................7:25 am: THE BLUE ANGEL (1959)...................................9:15 am: THE BLUE BIRD (1940)...............................10:40 am: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY (1941)..................................12:40 pm: FOREVER AMBER (1947).................
Monday, 2/8:
3 am: THE REWARD (1965).................................4:35 am: THE BLUE BIRD (1940)....................................6 am: THIS IS MY AFFAIR (1937)....................................7:45 am: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY (1941).....................................9:45 am: SATAN NEVER SLEEPS (1962).....................................12 pm: SIERRA BARON (1958)....................................1:25 pm: THE REWARD (1965).................
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Hey Tom. Pretty sure they did not really look at box office grosses….first of all the information was not readily available. Talked with my father-in-law about this subject many years ago. His dad ran the Auburn movie theater for years…and he grew up playing in that theater. He compared that survey to the current way coaches vote for the best teams in the country in certain sports….most got votes based on what were their name was versus actually how good the team really was.
That still happens today…George Clooney made the top 10 in a year in which is one movie did not even gross $30 million. Even giving him credit for the previous year his box office totals were not in the Top 50 much less the Top 10. Even with today’s information out there…their Top 10 do not really make sense. Here is the best example of how it makes no sense. In 2011 Quigley said Streep was the 9th biggest star. She made no movies in 2010. She made one movie in 2011…The Iron Lady…it grossed a little over $30.00 million….which was the 100th biggest hit of 2011. So with one movie that earned $30 million she got 9th…meanwhile Seth Rogen’s movies grossed almost half a billion and did not make the Top 10.
I think if you look at every Quigley Top 10 it will never make sense when you actually look at the box office grosses. It is still a fun list. But the fact that they do not really explain their rules shows that they leave lots of wiggle room to come up with their list. Just my thoughts.
Well.back in the day, say from the 1930s into the 1950s, the large majority of exhibitors submitting the surveys tried to complete them.conscientiously. They used the boxoffice take at their theater for the movies shown during the 12 month period. Of course, determining which star.might've brought in the paying customers is inexact at.best. But they relied on feedback from the customers to help them with this. So for 1952 in the case of, say, THE SNOWS OF KILIMANJARO (assuming it had been already exhibited since its mid August release), an exhibitor might say that Gregory Peck was in it, and he usually gets many fans for his movies. And during this period (September 1951-August 1952), he was also in DAVID AND BATHSHEBA (one of the top grossers released in 1951) and CAPTAIN HORATIO HORBLOWER, another popular film. However, Susan Hayward was also in both TSOK as well.as D&B, plus in the huge hit WITH A SONG IN MY HEART. Then there is Ava Gardner, who could've brought some people in to see TSOK, plus being in the huge hit SHOW BOAT and the solid hit LONE STAR.
So the exhibitor could rank each in his Top Ten for the year, or.maybe only one, or two of them. He could even have done Peck, and Hayward individually, or listed the combination of Peck-Haward (since they were in two huge hits together) in addition to, or instead.of, either or both. He would use anecdotal evidence in the form of.comments.from his patrons, along with his own instincts into who actually brought people in, as well.as his actual grosses for the movies at hand.
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Last night's comment...Hey Arturo….it would be a lot easier just to use Variety’s Top Grossers list….at a first I was…..but on my other yearly pages I have included lots more information…including Oscar nominations and Oscar wins. I quickly found out that I needed to go by IMDb’s year so I could include the Oscars and the grosses on the same page. So I went with the way BoxOfficeMojo,Hollywood Reporter and others group their movies together.
This morning's comment. Hey Arturo..... I agree with you on this. The results are very skewed. And in the end….the bigger the names on the list…the better it will be received. Probably why someone like John Wayne (and I love him) made the list for so many years. They probably said….”did The Duke make a movie this year….yes he did ….well he is on the list…we need 9 more”.
All.I am.suggesting is you change the one word "made", and.substitute it with "released". It doesn't matter.whose lists.you use, but it is.misleading to use the former, when it appears you mean the latter.
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Here are the ten stars named as the top ten of 1952 by the annual Quigley poll of motion picture exhibitors:
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- Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis
- Gary Cooper
- John Wayne
- Bing Crosby
- Bob Hope
- James Stewart
- Doris Day
- Gregory Peck
- Susan Hayward
- Randolph Scott
I have some difficulty correlating Quigley's poll with your own list of 1952's box office receipts, ClassicMovieRankings.
Take, for example, Quigley's placement of Randolph Scott as the No. 10 star of the year. Yet, on your list his highest ranked film comes in as No. 64.
Then there's Gary Cooper. On your list his films come in as numbers 12 and 35, yet Quigley's exhibitors called him the No.2 star of the year.
Now I know there is some confusion by a film like Hans Christian Anderson being on your list, for example, since it was largely a 1953 release, so I assume the Quigley poll for '52 wasn't even looking at it. Still, I'm a bit confused by the seeming disparity in some cases between Quigley and your tremendous list of '52 films, ClassicMovieRankings.
Perhaps someone is aware of the criteria that Quigley used in his own polling that may be causing some confusion. I know, for example, that Quigley would call Gary Cooper the No. 1 star of the following year, 1953. I always assumed that High Noon was probably still in circulation that year to account for such a high ranking. (Ironically, Cooper's two films released in 1953 rank among the worst of his career).
Not trying to put you on the spot here, ClassicMovieRankings, because you've done a tremendous amount of work here which, I'm sure, we all deeply appreciate. But, still, I can't quite understand the differences between Quigley's well known annual poll and your own findings.
The Quigley Polls were not for a calendar year. The ballots sent out to thousands of exhibitors in the U.S. and Canada asked them to rank the top moneymakers for something like Sept. 1 to Aug. 31. This way, all the ballots would have been returned and tabulated, and the rankings published, by the end of the year. So, yes, the results can be skewed, as your mention of HIGH NOON, which made most of its money the last few months of 1952, and into 1953, thereby reflecting in Coop topping the list in 1953.
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Hey Arturo....this list is all the movies made in 1952 according to IMDb. When going through all my box office records...I took out the 1951 movies that made the 1952 box office hit list....movies like...Quo Vadis (2nd biggest hit in 1952...but released at the end of 1951) and then I went to my 1953 box office hits and pulled out all of the movies released in late 1952 that made a ton of money in 1953....like Hans Christian Andersen (7th in 1953 but made in 1952). So far I have done 9 years like this....and using the IMDb year is the best way to make sure I do not forget a movie.
The greatest example is Gone With The Wind.....it is listed as the biggest box office hit of 1939....but the reality it made almost no money in 1939. It was 1st in 1940, 2nd in 1941 and 56th in 1942....but it always gets put with the rest of the 1939 movies.....that is the same rule I use when doing these pages.
What I mean is this....GONE.WITH THE WIND was.made mostly in 1939, AND released in 1939. So, yes your list will have it for that year, even if it made the bulk of its money later. The previous movie Clark Gable made, the 1939 release IDIOT'S DELIGHT, was MADE in 1938. Likewise, movies released in early 1940, like THE GRAPES OF WRATH or HIS GIRL FRIDAY, were made in 1939. In 1952, movies like FIVE FINGERS or.CLASH BY NIGHT were made.in 1951, but were released in 1952.
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Sorry, One more comment.......it seems misleading to state that the list is for films.made in 1952. I believe the intent might have been for films.released in 1952. Many films released in 1952 were actually made wholly in 1951, just like many films made in 1952 weren't released until 1953.
Anyway, keep up the great work.
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This a fascinating list. Great work.
However, a couple of comments re. the one star that is listed. Firstly, some films had more than one star, often each responsible for having people show up and pay to see the film. The top two moneymakers are good examples: THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH is an all-star affair, and so selecting one person is not reflective.of the drawing power for this movie. Likewise, THE SNOWS OF KILIMANJARO featured Susan Hayward and Ava Gardner, both huge stars at that time, and possibly equally responsible to the film's success as was Gregory Peck.
Also, some films are listed with the listed star being not the main star, but it seems might be the best known name now. DREAMBOAT was a star vehicle for Clifton Webb, and he was most likely the main reason people went to see the film, although Ginger Rogers is the generally better known name now. Or PHONE CALL FROM A STRANGER, whose biggest name in a starring role was Shelley Winter; Bette Davis had a small role, a cameo really. The biggest role was that of Davis' then-husband, Gary Merrill. Similarly, ISLAND OF DESIRE starred Linda Darnell, and was the main reason people went to see the film. Tab Hunter made his film debut in this, but he was not why people bought tickets for it; his days as a matinee idol were 2-3 years away. But he is the better known name today.
Other than these quibbles, this is some great work.
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TEN LITTLE INSULTS
In which 10 people are invited.to participate in a weekend on a mysterious island by an unknown benefactor. They were selected to be part of an "Inner Circle", and required to complete questionnaires about their likes.and spending habits. Nine of the ten members saw it for the scam it was, an effort to collect.data to sell to third parties for their marketing endeavors. The lone holdout excitedly awaited the solicitation of his input, figuring his brilliance was finally being recognized and rewarded. Even the non-arrival of the newsletters did not sway his belief in the legitimacy of the inner circle.
Additionally, all weekend there were topics that each member postulated, usually on some aspect of films, and all members had to give their Top Ten. All went well and a good time was being had by all, until.the one member decided he wanted to change the rules. The list must be accompanied by graphics, he pronounced, to make the excercise more "fun". He also wanted to "hone" the criteria of each category, to better reflect.his personal tastes. He soon got on the others' last nerve, and they told him he wasn't playing right and had to adhere to the original rules. He did not see it that way, basically taking over. Exasperated, the other members lashed out, calling him on his tactics. This he could not abide, and complained about each "insult" in turn to the benefactor. During the course of the stay, one by one the other participants disappeared. By the end of the weekend, the lone participant squealed with delight that he was the winner, and was the self-appointed head of the "Inner Circle". He turned around to gloat and crow to the other members.
And......(by then)........there were none.
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Another great noir melodrama in Technicolor,.and.like NIAGARA,.much of it outdoors, is LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN. Gene Tierney is truly chilling in her obsession with husband Cornel Wilde, and the lengths she would go to to remove anything, or anyone, which could divide his attention from her. The bright colorful outdoors makes this film no less dark.I think that both black and white and color films can be considered film noir. For me personally, it's the characters and the overall feel of the film that lead me to categorize a film as "noir."
One color film that I would classify as a noir is Niagara starring Marilyn Monroe, Joseph Cotten and Jean Peters. The film is very moody. Peters is a newlywed and she, along with her husband, sense that something is amiss between Monroe and husband Cotten. There is something very strange about them. Monroe is a victim of Cotten's jealousy and temper, however, she's hardly a "good" character either. She's having an affair with another man--Monroe and her lover even plot to have her husband murdered.
Another color film that I would call a noir is Rope. The protagonists of the film are hardly great people, they murdered their friend and hid his body in the trunk that they're planning as using as a buffet table for their dinner party. There is tension throughout the entire film as guests inquire as to the whereabouts of this young man who is supposed to be at the party. James Stewart is the guest (and former mentor of the two hosts) who senses that something is just not right. This film is an interesting example of noir in that the two murderers and James Stewart could be the protagonist and antagonist or vice versa depending on how you were to interpret the film.
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Speedracer,
Great thread idea. Hopefully it survives intact. As you mentioned, the film noir "genre" is nebulous at best. And of the films that can be categorized as such, there are so many that are favorites of mine, AND my ranking of the Top favorites can change from time.to time. Let me throw out a few titles, and will try to stick with some of the more renowned ones.
1. IN A LONELY PLACE
2. DOUBLE INDEMNITY
3. LAURA
4. NIGHT AND THE CITY
5. THIEVES HIGHWAY
6. CRISS CROSS
7. FALLEN ANGEL
8. THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE
9. SCARLET STREET
10. THE STREET WITH NO NAME
11. CRY OF THE CITY
12. MURDER MY SWEET
13. THE STRANGE LOVE OF MARTHA IVERS
14. THE FILE.ON THELMA.JORDAN
15. THE BLUE DAHLIA
16. WHIRLPOOL
17. KISS OF DEATH
18. NIGHTMARE.ALLEY
19. OUT OF THE PAST
20. DARK PASSAGE
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On FMC (all times eastern):
Tuesday, 2/2:
3 am: THE QUILLER MEMORANDUM (1966)..............................4:50 am: SURF PARTY (1964).................................6 am: CAVALCADE (1933)...............................8 am: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY (1941)..............................10 am: HOUSE OF STRANGERS (1949)..................................11:45 am: BIGGER THAN LIFE (1956)............................1:25 am: MADISON AVENUE (1962)...................
Wednesday, 2/3:
3:30 am: SURF PARTY (1964)..............................4:40 am: WILD ON THE BEACH (1965).................................6 am: BORN RECKLESS (1930)..............................7:20 am: BIGGER THAN LIFE (1956)................................9 am: CALL ME MADAM (1953)................................11 am: MADISON AVENUE (1962)................................12:35 pm: FROM THE TERRACE (1960)...................
Thursday, 2/4:
3:30 am: FROM THE TERRACE (1960)................................6 am: CAPTAIN FROM CASTILE (1947)...................................8:25 am: CALL ME MADAM (1953).................................10:25 am: CALL ME MISTER (1951).....................................12:05 pm: SPRINGTIME IN THE ROCKIES (1942)...............................1:40 pm: THE BEAUTIFUL BLONDE FROM BASHFUL BEND (1949).................
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I agree that Linda Darnell was very good in NO WAY OUT, and was very proud of her contribution in this film. She loved the fact that she didn't have to play a glamorous role, and boasted something along the line of, "My wardrobe cost like $30.00, and most of it was in black and blue marks". Contrast this to the wardrobe budget for FOREVER AMBER, close to $100,000.00.I have seen the film before so this time most of my focus was on Linda and her performance. See was very good and convincing
Darnell actively sought out other acting challenges while under contract at Fox, and afterward. Unfortunately, studio head Darryl F.Zanuck preferred giving her assignments where her glamor and physical attributes might constitute the bulk of her contribution. This led to bitterness and resentment towards Zanuck on Linda's part, sentiments encouraged by NWO director Joseph L. Mankiewicz, with whom she was having an intense affair. So Linda became vocal about her dissatisfaction with the subsequent roles she was given, even going on suspension in order to not do at least one.
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Would Lionel Barrymore's windfall in IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE count? He kept it with no repercussions to himself, although it precipitated JamesStewart's downfall.
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On FMC (all times eastern):
Friday, 1/29:
3:30.am: SANDCASTLES (1972).............................4:45 am: THE THREE MUSKETEERS (1939)..............................6 am: HOUSE OF STRANGERS (1949)............................7:45 am: DAISY KENYON (1947)...............................9:30 am: NIGHTMARE ALLEY (1947)...................................11:30 am: WHERE THE SIDEWALK ENDS (1950)...............................1:15 am: THE MUDLARK (1950)..................
Saturday, 1/30:
3:30 am: HOW TO STEAL A MILLION (1966)............................6 am: MOTHER IS A FRESHMAN (1949)................................7:25 am: TEENAGE REBEL (1956)...........................9 am: CALL ME MADAM (1953)..............................11 am: HOLIDAY FOR LOVERS (1959)...............................12:45 pm: HOW TO STEAL A MILLION. (1966).................
Sunday, 1/31:
3 am: THE REWARD (1965)..........................4:45 am: 13 FIGHTING MEN (1960)............................6 am: TEENAGE REBEL (1956)................................7:35 am: CALL.ME.MADAM (1953)................................9:35.am: HOLIDAY FOR LOVERS (1959)...........................11:20 am: THE REWARD (1965).............................12:55 pm: THE KREMLIN LETTER (1970)...................
Monday, 2/1:
3 am: GANG WAR (1958)............................4:15 am: THIS IS MY AFFAIR (1937)................................6 am: JITTERBUGS (1943)...............................7:15 am: THE KREMLIN LETTER (1970)............................9:20 am: HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY (1941)..............................11:25 am: HOUSE OF STRANGERS (1949).............................1:10 pm: THE WILLET MEMORANDUM (1966)..............
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Keep in mind that Arabesque was released the same year Cary Grant took a character part in his last film because he thought he was no longer appropriate as a romantic leading man. I doubt that Grant would have been interested in this film, as he may well have been a few years earlier.
Besides, after being rejected by Sophia, how eager would he have been to work with the lady again, especially since he was now married once again (I think)?
I did think about Grant winding down his career at that.time, but could've still been approached. The more compelling reason to not have offered him the role.would have been his history with Loren.
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No I won't post any picture of the graph for the results, but here are the latest results.
1. THE INNARDS CIRCLE
2. I MARRIED A ****
3. MY DARLING'S CLAMMY SPINE
4. POUND BREAK
5. LOVE LITTERS
6. THE QUIET MANGE
7. A STREET CUR NAMED DESIRE
8. THE ST. VALENTINE'S DAY MASTIFF SCARE
9. SOME LIKE IT IN HEAT
10. FUR EVER AMBER