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  1. Thanks for the explanation, and for making me feel that I am not deranged (at least, in this regard). I remember you mentioning before in this discussion the weekly grid so I am going to start using that first.
  2. So, to recap: (1) I first viewed the TCM online daily schedule for Sunday, January 15 on Sunday afternoon. So it was not a case of "viewing the schedule too early, before they had a chance to update to the correct time." I was viewing the online schedule AFTER A Free Soul had already aired. So it was also NOT a case of viewing a cached file on my local hard drive, since this was the first time I had loaded the web page. The schedule said the movie started at noon, and the movies after it started at 1:45 p.m., 3:30 p.m., and 6 p.m. These times were all incorrect. I posted a screen capture of parts of this web page in this discussion. I also saved a copy of the web page to my local hard drive, although I continued to view the version directly from TCM in my web browser. (2) I refreshed the page a few days ago, DAYS AFTER THE MOVIE HAD AIRED, and it still showed the incorrect times. (3) I refreshed the page a short while ago, and it now shows the correct times of 11:45 a.m., 1:30 p.m., 3:15 p.m, and 5:45 p.m. Which also proves it's not a cache problem or viewing the file on my local hard drive, else refresh would not show me an updated page. (4) Although the two different versions of the TCM daily online schedule with differing times render the XML issue moot, I have been using tv_grab_na_dd since 2008. The XML file I downloaded on Sunday afternoon (so again, not a "downloading too early" problem), showed the incorrect times. I do not use the XML files to do my recordings; I download them for reference only. But I mentioned the XML file to prove that the incorrect time is "out there." (5) The two different versions of the TCM daily online schedule with differing times also renders this issue moot, but: My Pioneer HDD/DVD recorders all have the correct times, else I would be recording everything off schedule since I use them every day. The times on these recorders match the time on the front of my cable box and the time that DirecTV displays when I press the Info button on the remote. (6) I still believe this is a problem at TCM's end with their online schedule. Since I started recording from TCM daily about 17 years ago, their daily schedule used to have a discrepancy maybe once or twice a year, which was tolerable. Starting around last November (I think), I have observed an increase in the frequency of these discrepancies to once a week or so, which for me is less tolerable. To me it seems there is a new problem that TCM could maybe fix. (7) What I don't understand is why I am the only one seeing these discrepancies. I can't even get anyone to corroborate that the web pages ever display the incorrect times. I guess they think I doctored the screen captures or something? If I were to submit the problem to TCM, I'm guessing they would not get around to investigating and responding until the web page had been updated with the correct times, and then they would say they don't see a problem. This is very frustrating. Sigh... Robbie
  3. I pay for SchedulesDirect too; I have been a member since ScheduleDirect was started, when Tribune (TMS) stopped making their data available for free. I have always used tv_grab_na_dd. I have been using it since 2008. I have never used tv_grab_na_dtv. I run --configure each time I download the XML files to get any changes in the channels. There are usually some channels added or removed.
  4. I am already using tv_grab_na_dd. That is all I have ever used. I have never used tv_grab_na_dtv.
  5. The time on my Pioneer HDD/DVD recorders (I have three in the room where I record from TCM) all match each other, and they match the time on the front of the cable box, and the time DirecTV shows when I press the Info button on the remote. I download the XML files for reference purposes only. My recorders are standalone recorders. If the time on my Pioneer HDD/DVD recorders were off by 15 minutes, then all my TCM recordings would be off by 15 minutes. I record from TCM almost every day. I'm only observing these 15-minute discrepancies in the daily schedule once a week or so. Also, the TCM title card that was displayed after the end of the previous movie showed A Free Soul starting at 11:45 a.m., even though TCM's online daily schedule and the XML file said it was starting at noon. Also, I believe at least two other posters in this discussion verified that another movie started fifteen minutes off the time I originally observed on TCM's daily online schedule, although one of the posters said the TCM online schedule had the correct time even though I continued to observe it having the incorrect time even after refreshing the page. They suggested I might have a cache problem--that maybe I had loaded the web page a week earlier and was looking at an old cached version of the page with the incorrect time. But I had refreshed the page. And I did not even load the TCM page for last Sunday until Sunday afternoon, AFTER A Free Soul had already aired, and it showed A Free Soul starting at noon. Since that was the first time I opened the page (I did not even get home until Sunday afternoon), I don't see how it could be a cache problem. Incidentally, I just refreshed the TCM daily online schedule for Sunday as I write this, and I notice the start time for A Free Soul has been updated to 11:45 a.m. now: http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=est&sdate=2017-01-15 That is the time the movie actually started. But that is NOT the time the online schedule said on Sunday afternoon when I first loaded the page. I posted a screen capture of what the daily online schedule showed on Sunday. I loaded the page in the afternoon on Sunday, AFTER A Free Soul had already aired. I don't see how this could be a cache problem when I loaded it for the first time Sunday afternoon. I loaded the TCM daily schedule on Sunday afternoon, and I downloaded the XML file for that day on Sunday afternoon, and both said the move started at noon. I saved the Sunday schedule to a local file on Sunday afternoon. It showed Mr. Blandings starting at 1:45 p.m., All About Eve starting at 3:30 p.m., and An American in Paris starting at 6:00 p.m. The online schedule now shows them starting at 1:30 p.m, 3:15 p.m, and 5:45 p.m. So when I displayed the TCM daily online schedule on Sunday afternoon, it showed all four movies starting fifteen minutes later than the online schedule now shows them starting at. So yes, I'm fairly certain A Free Soul started at 11:45 a.m. Robbie
  6. I agree the Schedules Direct guys are gods, especially Robert Eden. I communicated with him in 2008 when I was building xmltv on Mac OS X. I had to build it from scratch; no pre-built binary available like on Windows. So when I look at "A Free Soul" in the XML file for Sunday, January 15, here is what I see: <programme start="20170115120000 -0500" stop="20170115134500 -0500" channel="I12852.labs.zap2it.com"> <title lang="en">A Free Soul</title> <desc lang="en">A boozing lawyer's (Lionel Barrymore) flapper daughter (Norma Shearer) falls tragically in love with his gangster client (Clark Gable).</desc> <credits> <director>Clarence Brown</director> <actor>Norma Shearer</actor> <actor>Lionel Barrymore</actor> <actor>Clark Gable</actor> <actor>Leslie Howard</actor> <actor>James Gleason</actor> </credits> <date>1931</date> <category lang="en">Drama</category> <length units="minutes">91</length> <episode-num system="dd_progid">MV00004294.0000</episode-num> <video> <colour>no</colour> </video> <subtitles type="teletext" /> <rating system="VCHIP"> <value>TV-G</value> </rating> <rating system="MPAA"> <value>NR</value> </rating> <star-rating> <value>3/4</value> </star-rating> </programme> It shows the start time as 12:00 : start="20170115120000 Even though the movie actually started at 11:45 a.m. Before I bother the XML gods, I am curious as to what your XML file shows for this. Thanks! Robbie
  7. It looks like many of the movies that aired Sunday afternoon started 15 minutes before the time shown on the daily online schedule. The web site said A Free Soul would start at noon but it appears to have started at 11:45 a.m. I think some of the movies afterwards also started 15 minutes earlier. The title card in my recordings said An American in Paris started at 5:45 p.m. but the daily online schedule said it started at 6 p.m. Fortunately due to padding I got everything, but I would still like to figure out if the error is mine or if TCM is having problems with their online schedule. AreaMan, I did not even load TCM's daily online schedule for Sunday until Sunday afternoon, so how could my web browser be displaying something from a local cache on my hard drive? Here is what I saw: As I write this, at 2:36 a.m. on Tuesday morning, the schedule is still showing the incorrect time for A Free Soul and An American in Paris: http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=est&sdate=2017-01-15 AreaMan, if you can give any suggestions to help me I would appreciate it. I did not even load Sunday's page in my web browser until after the movie had aired Sunday afternoon, since I did not even get home until Sunday afternoon, so I don't see how it could be a local cache problem. TopBilled, I downloaded the SchedulesDirect XML file for Sunday on Sunday, because it was the first day I had been home and had access to the Internet again. I did not even get home until Sunday. So this was a current XML file. The XML file shows A Free Soul starting at noon (the incorrect time) I forget what the DirecTV program guide said but I think maybe it did have the correct time for A Free Soul. I was too tired from my trip to be able to double-check everything.
  8. I have been away for over a week with no access to the Internet, so I am just responding now. As I said: As I write this, at 12:37 a.m. on Thursday, January 5, I opened the TCM online schedule for January 3--a brand new, refreshed page, and it is STILL showing the incorrect times--a full day after the movies aired: A new, refreshed page. I am loading the page directly from TCM's web site, not from my local hard drive. I just refreshed the page again just now for January 3 and it still shows it starting at midnight instead of 12:15 a.m.
  9. Another fifteen-minute shift occurred last night--Tuesday, January 3, 2017. The online schedule showed Riot in Cell Block 11 starting at midnight and The Big House starting at 1:30 a.m.: But the movies actually started at 12:15 a.m. and 1:45 a.m., respectively, and the title card at the end of Brute Force showed those correct times. As I write this, at 12:37 a.m. on Thursday, January 5, I opened the TCM online schedule for January 3--a brand new, refreshed page, and it is STILL showing the incorrect times--a full day after the movies aired: http://www.tcm.com/schedule/index.html?tz=est&sdate=2017-01-03 I'm sure TCM will correct the online schedule for January 3 at some point after I post this, but what good does it do them to correct the mistakes AFTER the movie has aired?
  10. This is probably about the same time frame as I have been observing the increased frequency of errors in the daily online schedule...
  11. TCM's daily online schedule continued to show Dial M for Murder as starting at 10:00 p.m. well into Thursday, as the snapshot I took of the web page that I refreshed right before I started this thread on Thursday morning shows. They did not update the online schedule until sometime after I started this thread on Thursday--after the movie had already aired on Wednesday night. My point is that they seem to be having to make a lot more "adjustments on the fly" within the past month than they have before that. This seems like a new problem.
  12. Well, as I said, my XML file for Wednesday showed the same incorrect times as the TCM online schedule did. However, I download ten days' worth of XML files at a time, and I downloaded the last batch on December 10, so it could have been corrected closer to Wednesday. I am working on setting up a cron job to download the XML files each day rather than doing it by hand for ten days at a time. However, I refreshed TCM's web page for Wednesday on Thursday and it was still showing the incorrect times--a day after the movies had aired. TCM updated Wednesday's page with the correct times on Friday, but it does no good to update them with the correct time two days after the movies have aired. This seems like a relatively new problem they need to get fixed. I was looking at the DirecTV guide yesterday at 10:00 a.m. for a channel's lineup that afternoon. At 2 p.m. the entire lineup for the afternoon and evening had changed from what it was showing at 10:00 a.m. the same morning. Someone (not you or TopBilled) said "as long as you check the night before or same day you should be OK," but it looks like this is not necessarily true...
  13. I just saw another one, although this time it was in the other direction--fifteen minutes early! The TCM online schedule and the Now Playing guide showed Test Pilot starting at 7 a.m. EST on Friday, December 16: But it started at 6:45 a.m., and the title card that TCM aired right after Fonda on Fonda showed it starting at 6:45 a.m. I refreshed the web pages and noticed that the online schedule has updated to have the correct times for Wednesday and Friday now. But this is not just a "failure to refresh" problem on my part, because the page for Wednesday still displayed the wrong times on Thursday, well after the movies had aired. I notice that in addition to displaying the correct times now, Wednesday's page is displaying shorts that it was not displaying when it had the times listed incorrectly.
  14. I guess I can check my DirecTV and cable program guides to see if they show a different end time than the TCM online schedule and Now Playing. I also use Schedules Direct to download TV listings as XML files using xmltv. I do this to have a permanent copy of the listings so I can go back and correctly label old recordings since most online listings (with some exceptions like TCM) only let you go back one day or so. I checked my XML file for DirecTV for Wednesday, December 14, and it shows the same incorrect start time for Dial M for Murder and The Two Mrs. Carrolls that Now Playing and the TCM online schedule did: 10:00 p.m. EST and midnight EST, respectively. While TCM actually aired them at 10:15 p.m. and 12:15 a.m. and the title cards TCM aired after the movies that preceded these movies also showed these movies airing at 10:15 p.m. and 12:15 a.m.
  15. MovieCollectorOH understood what I meant--I manually enter the start and stop times because I use a standalone HDD/DVD recorder so I can copy programs to DVD. This device does not have a program guide. I do not use a cable or satellite DVR where you just select the program and tell it to record it. It may be that the cable/satellite DVRs have the correct adjusted times in their program guides, but in the past I have found TCM's online schedule to be more reliable. I am not babysitting the recorder. TopBilled, I hope I have clarified what I meant. As I said in my original post, because I pad my recordings by ten minutes at the beginning and end, I haven't missed any movie endings yet. I guess I can pad the ending time by 25 minutes, but if they start slipping even more... The problem with recording huge blocks is that I need to know the length of the movie so I can adjust the recording quality to fit on DVD, so that I can high-speed copy the program to DVD. If it is over 2 hours in length, I have to change the recording quality from SP to a lower quality in 10-minute increments. I like to use the highest quality I can for each movie, and the movie lengths vary. If I have to record huge blocks I would have to use the lowest common denominator recording quality which would be very low. This phenomenon of being off by 15 minutes is relatively recent--the past month or so. I have been recording from TCM for 17 years, so if this had happened in the past with the frequency I am seeing now, I would have noticed it. It used to be their schedule slipped by 15 minutes once or twice a year. But it has increased to once or twice a week within the past month. So it's not like it's an endemic problem to TCM. This seems to be some new error in scheduling that they could fix. I was wondering if anyone has communicated with TCM about this. They seem to ignore my emails so I was hoping someone with pull has communicated this to TCM. But it sounds like no one else is being affected or bothered by this. I realize my situation is probably unique, but I thought maybe some other viewers might be seeing the endings of their movie recordings cut off with the 15-minute slippage.
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