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I believe it's probable that the movie was run in test markets with the word "breast" in it. I also believe that, if that was the case, the feedback about it was too negative for the studio - thus causing the change to be made. I think that the very idea of these men making a pouch out of the woman's breast was probably too much for some of the movie-going public of 1966. Way back then - long before this age of dvd's and alternate extras - it was rare for a studio to keep anything that was decided unusable. So now, the "dress" version is the only version in existence - unless there's a hidden print somewhere. Of course, having seen only the "dress" version during the theatrical run, I'm surmising all this - based on the information posted in this thread. The only thing I know for fact is that the version TCM shows is what I saw in the theater.

What??? I missed 'Monolith Monsters'?? How the hell did I miss that??? I've been waiting years!

Give it up. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about - you're just swinging wildly in the dark, hoping someone will believe that the final theatrical version of 'Nevada Smith' is NOT the final theatrical version of 'Nevada Smith'. But it is. Your assertion that "breast" was removed for television is just plain wrong. IF it ever was there, it was replaced by "dress" in the final cut because of being too salacious for that time. Final cut is final cut. That's what TCM shows.

'Joe' is a terrific movie. I must have watched it at least 10 times through the 70's. Boyle (an unknown at the time) became a kind of star because of his amazing performance. A young Susan Sarandon is very good as well. But it disappeared from tv (CITY-TV used to run it uncut in Toronto all the time) and is hard to find on DVD. Please, please, please, TCM - show us this movie!!

The ones I most want TCM to show are: Terror from the Year 5000 (1958) Return of the Fly (1959) The Astounding She Monster (1957) I'd be very happy if TCM would show those. I also wouldn't mind seeing 'Frankenstein 1970' (1958) again. TCM showed that a year or so ago.

Find a version where the word "breast" is in it and I'll agree that TCM is showing a cut print. As it stands, the print that TCM is showing is exactly the same as the theatrical version I saw in 1966. Producers sometimes make changes to the final product - everybody knows that. But the final product is what it is, and if there are no other versions in existence to dispute that final product, then we shouldn't be claiming that TCM showed a cut print. As for your proclamation that it was "obvious" that "breast" was removed for television, I'd suggest you stick with what you know for true rather than making wild guesses about the topic under discussion.

Nope. It was not altered for the TCM version. IF it was altered, it was altered for the theatrical version. As I posted in my first post a week ago (please pay attention to the final sentence in particular):

I don't know why you'd expect a surprise. Movies have generally gotten much better since their infant and toddler years.

I believe it was Bette Davis who said that a villain is not a villain to himself. Considering when this movie was made - social standards had not as yet completely turned, and many of the traditions were still being followed - the lesson could be: getting married so that you can (finally) have sex is not that good an idea. Once the temptation that has been blocking your vision has been cleared away, you may find yourself in a situation that is suddenly unappealing to you. Even before Cybill has entered the picture, it is quite apparent that Grodin is in a state of regret. Once the drop-dead gorgeous Cybill thrusts herself before him..... well, let's face it - there's not a man alive who doesn't understand EXACTLY why he WANTS to undo what he's done and pursue a far more attractive possibility. Myself, I'd probably have committed suicide. I've heard it said that this movie is "very Jewish". Not being Jewish, I'm not sure about that. But there does seem to be some recognizable similarities between this character and other young Jewish men in writings from that era.

'Lonesome Dove' is my all-time favorite novel.

Yes, in the early 70's, she was certainly well-served by her youth - 'The Last Picture Show' from the previous year being a case in point. Didn't last long. Aging is rarely beneficial to those whose looks peak so young, and she is a sharp example of that. She takes it in stride, it seems. When a talk show host mentioned he'd seen her nude the night before while watching 'Last Picture Show', she responded "That's okay, I don't look like that anymore". She also admits that she was pretty bratty back then. Being overly beautiful when you're young can have that effect sometimes. It shows well in 'The Heartbreak Kid', though. Adds a great deal to the movie.

Thanks for not saying it. Your restraint is appreciated.

I do remember perfectly that the word "dress" was used. Not "breast". I was paying very close attention because I wondered how the movie was gonna deal with that aspect of the story. Afterwards, my friend brought the subject up to me as well, ridiculing the cop-out. Working at the theater meant seeing the movie several times that week. In the discussion pages at IMDb, I found a short one about the tobacco pouch. You can read it here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060748/board/flat/202669861?p=1 I was not the least bit surprised about the cop-out. We hadn't quite gotten there yet in 1966, but it wouldn't be much longer. 1967 would see movie productions make a hard push against language and content restraints. With the help of a Supreme Court ruling, almost total freedom was achieved by 1970. So, no call to make. It was what it was, and my memory of what I saw is 100 percent correct. If you want to prove that TCM ran an edited print, you'll have to come up with an un-edited one from somewhere. Good luck.

Okay, times almost up - so here's my list. Unforgiven The Godfather Midnight Cowboy One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest Annie Hall On the Waterfront A Beautiful Mind The Godfather Part II Million Dollar Baby In the Heat of the Night It was really difficult choosing 'In the Heat of the Night' over several other very worthy possibilities. But that's the decision I came to.

You feel that Glenda was jealous of Margaret? That Glenda thought she should be Prime Minister instead? I've not heard that one before.

the joint the cooler and my favorite - the stony lonesome

Yeah, that must be it. Very believable. Too bad there are no surviving prints with the word "breast" in them - guess they all got sucked up by a tornado in Wisconsin.

Whatever you read, you read. I saw it in its theatrical run in 1966. What I saw then is exactly what was shown by TCM. No changes.

Nope. It played at our theater in 1966. Did not use the word "breast" - used the word "dress". I paid very close attention. It was "dress" all 4 times I saw it that week. The movie would not appear on TV for another 2 years yet. So, if a change happened, it was not for tv that it happened - if a change happened, it was for its theater run.

There's NO moops!

I see 'Twice Upon a Time' (1983) is scheduled this week. Very interesting history to that one - apparently an alternate version was produced without the consent of the original producer and HBO showed this "illegitimate" version a couple of times and got sued to cease and desist. There have been several versions run in different venues - but I believe that what TCM will be running will be the official (also known as the "clean") version (much to the displeasure of some viewers who are dying to see the "unclean" one). Whichever, congratulations to TCM's Underground programmers for giving us yet another opportunity to see a rare piece. Doing a bang-up job these days!

Signed, Mario the Reporter.

Yep. That makes it a 2-film list - 'Casablanca' and 'On the Waterfront'. Room for 8 more.

Why? I don't quite understand why you think it's so dumb. Why can't women be ghostbusters?

Danielle Demski, reporter for TNT, complimented Rashida Jones on her tan. Rashida is African-American - her father is Quincy Jones. Her mother is Peggy Lipton, which helps to explain her lighter shade of "black" and her remarkable beauty - so it's not surprising that some people might think she's "white". But an entertainment reporter? Aren't they supposed to know about these things before they go putting their feet in their mouths? Anyway, I thought it was funny. By the way, Rashida's response was "I'm not tan, I'm ethnic".