JackFavell

>Perfect Strangers ???

You and I share a favorite Police song. 1. Every Little Thing She Does is Magic 2. Spirits in the Material World 3. Invisible Sun 4.Can't Stand Losing You 5. Canary in a Coalmine 6. Da Doo Doo Doo 7. Walking on the Moon 8. Miss Gradenko

ditto that THANK YOU TCM! Ann Sheridan day brought us some of her lesser known films - Nora Prentiss being the stand out for me. Incredible! And the KIM NOVAK interview was absolutely superb. I've never felt such a real, spontaneous connection with a star before, Kim's the real deal. I'm so happy that she has a good life away from Hollywood. Thank goodness Robert O was able to chat with her and knew when to let her just talk, without any interruptions or stupid commentary. I had tears rolling down my face watching, and I have a new favorite actress. It was brilliant.

I think that Ernie made a mistake by being too quick to marry. He picked her up and took her off likely in a couple of weeks or a month or something, as she says, like a possession. No thought behind whether she could handle the country life, or where she'd been before, or anything. She was wrong to marry without love and respect, period. She got just what she deserved with Ernie, she wanted an out, and she got it, but it was kind of an "out of the frying pan into the fire' situation. She was looking for another man to take her out of her unhappiness with Ernie now, rather than being responsible for herself and honest with herself and others. I kept thinking, why tell Jubal about how she hates him pawing her all the time? Tell your husband! If she were to go to him, honestly, her life would have been a heck of a lot better. I'm sure he would have understood and tried to change. But she wouldn't have been happy with him no matter what, and she was a fool to think that she was going to get anywhere by flirting with other men. She just followed the pattern that she had set probably as a clever and pretty teen. I was not sympathetic to her, but I do think it's another case of people doing things because that's the way they've always done them - Mae has always relied on men to save her from ....well, men. Jubal always ran away when he got into trouble because of the guilt he had. Somewhere along the way you have to break the bad psychological patterns that lead you to make the same mistakes over and over again, causing misery to everyone. Some people never learn to do that, because it's terribly hard and it's more comfortable to stay the same. Bruce Dern is a perfect example! Now I think he's just a psycho! There doesn't seem to be a reason why he's so evil, he just likes it. EWWWW! And yet, if you ever saw Silent Running, you'd like him, I bet. I think that might be the only movie where he's actually a good guy! Edited by: JackFavell on Mar 7, 2013 7:34 AM

sigh. that's it. I must have gotten my notions about Charleston from GWTW. Anyway, I would love to find a place with charm and grace, where the people have it as well. oh well. meanwhile stuck in CT...

I am so glad you are OK, Chris! Whew. I was worried, as of last night they were saying how you guys would get hit the worst. Now I think all your weather went to Frank's place. I really liked the relationship between Shep and Jube and how Jube never gave in to Mae. It was refreshing to see a man NOT screw up. I felt so bad for him, feeling like a "jonah', how everyone he knew got introuble or died. Really sad. I'm glad he was able to turn it around. You know, this is going to sound weird, but it kind of reminded me of James and the Giant Peach, where kids are shown a character who creates a good life, even when he is abused by those who should have loved him. I like the idea that someone can change their fate, even when everything points them toward mistakes. Changing up your habits or your dynamic is a very hard thing to do, but it is possible. I think kids should have role models who are able to see their own mistakes, and stop the pattern that hurts them.

OK, so as far as Rod Steiger and Lee Marvin here's what I think: Rod Steiger is coming at things from the vantage of a man who has been treated lowly all his life. He has a poor self image and because he's ugly, he overcompensates for it by getting these grandiose ideas of how he will make everyone pay, he'll be on top one day. Lee Marvin is a man who thinks very highly of himself, to the point of delusion. He's the greatest thing ever, so you better treat him right. Occasionally, self doubt sneaks into his mind....and then you better watch out, because if you put that doubt there, he's going to beat you until you are dead, until that doubt is erased from everyone's memory. I like Lee about 50, 000 times better than Rod. Lee has the ability to underact, and make it real, even when he's over the top. Rod seems to me always to be overacting, he tries so hard to make it real that I get irritated with him. Did I say EWWW yet? And I love the Clash By Night comparison! Perfect! perfect. Edited by: JackFavell on Mar 6, 2013 7:06 PM

Hey Frank, Chris? How are you doing out there in this weather? I FINALLY got through *Jubal,* after a couple of fits and starts, thanks to youtube crashing on me twice. It was a lot like Othello! I haven't read anything about it yet except the odd word here and there. I liked the music and the scenery was gorgeous! I'd love to know where it was filmed. SPOILERS Ernie was great, I really felt for him, and I think it's interesting that they didn't give him a chance to forgive Glenn Ford's character before he died. It made for a very intense feeling of loss in me as well as for the characters in the film, you felt like things got all out of control from that point on, it moved so quick that you wanted to change history so he could come back and forgive. Stop things right before it happened... DO OVER! But of course, that's like real life, when bad things happen. It propelled the plot forward in a much stronger way because of his sudden death. I found Glenn Ford strangely touching and childlike. It was very appealing to see him so vulnerable. I've only ever seen him like that in Gilda, which somehow taps into that for me as well, but not as overtly. The scene where he tells of his mother was terribly moving, and I thought he did it just right. Brought out the mother in me. I've misjudged so many actors, but none more so than Glenn Ford. Well..... maybe Kent Smith. I thought the part about standing up for yourself and not running, plus the homesteaders having to make the decision about helping him and the traitor in their midst - well, it all seemed very symbolic of the 50's political situation, much like *High Noon* and *On the Waterfront.* I really liked this movie even though it took some time to get into it. I hate hate hate Rod Steiger, I've seen too much of him lately and he's just awful in everything I've seen. I thought Charles Bronson was wonderful, it made me realize why I had a crush on him when I was younger. Ditto for Noah Beery, Jr. I thought Mae was a very good actress, and very pretty. I don't know the actress at all. Now I'll go back and read what y'all said! Hope you guys are safe and warm.... Edited by: JackFavell on Mar 6, 2013 6:47 PM

Hey, Jake! No, I've never been to any southern city except New Orleans. There's so much music history down there, not just in Nashville. it would be amazing to make a trip all over the country just to look up musical roots.... I'm sure the south has more than a fair share of musical places. I've always had a hankering to visit Charleston as well, it looks so pretty in pictures. I love southern style and everyone always seems so gracious.

That was a really good article, Jake! It was so sad reading about the others who died on that fateful day. Hawkshaw Hawkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VkCJdHIzO0 Cowboy Copas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Rku2HjUFqU Two other big country stars who died within that same month: Jack, of Johnnie and Jack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX24s2uxQAY Texas Ruby Fox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm62PjlTS0M Left behind were: Kathy Copas: Jean Shepard:

Interesting. Right after that initial exultation and pride in having escaped a pre-determined fate, and having done something really exciting, they are now on a path of boredom they cannot control. Nothing will ever match this little moment that they think is so momentous. I feel like they are already married as that last shot lingers. They could be sitting in two overstuffed chairs next to each other, rather than in the back of a bus, running away. They've committed to each other, even though they really don't know one another. In fact, that's the excitement of love - not really knowing the other person. Once you know them, or have them, that excitement wanes. They are drifting apart already, just as separate as they always were, and always will be, no matter how much they try to feel it. Time and tradition drags such excitement into the mire of everyday conformity and sameness. Nothing can live there. Speaking of which, did anyone see *The Landlord* last night? Gosh, I am totally in love with Hal Ashby's first two movies. His style, even in this first film is so crisp, and so subversive, that I have nothing but admiration for him. He reminds me of Alexander MacKendrick. Both take simple stories and transform them into broader studies of some very important modern themes never letting the subject get out of hand, even when control of it seems impossible. Can we break free of our upbringing? Can we really ever have meaningful relationships with other people, especially where race is concerned? Ashby is painfully honest, letting his camera lens tell us everything we need to know about shallowness, good intentions and human weakness. I enjoyed the movie so much, especially the incredibly deep performance by Diana Sands, who was a HUGE talent taken too soon. She should have been nominated for an Oscar, and I would have probably given ones to Lee Grant and Pearl Bailey as well for their scene together, which was hilarious and horrifying and charming and just plain weirdly superb. Lou Gossett was also beyond compare. All the actors were pitch perfect, and it was great to see Robert Klein, Melvin Stewart, Susan Anspach, Oliver Clark, Hector Elizondo, and tons of other recognizable actors in the film getting some pretty great funny moments. It's not for everyone, but I seem to be in a 70's satire mood lately. I thought it was a brilliant, thoughtful and emotional movie.

James, I think they end up exactly like their parents, wondering how they got to that point. That last shot is so full of uncertainty and the tinge of fear and regret, but it'sonly just crystallizing that they have no idea what they just did, out of a whim of the moment. Edited by: JackFavell on Mar 4, 2013 6:49 AM

I get them mixed too! In fact, I had to wait until you mentioned Susan Hayward and Paulette Goddard before I knew which one you were discussing, lol! Then I jumped in with my comment. I actually was going to tell Frank I thought he'd already seen that one and discussed it....

I like Reap the Wild Wind a LOT, I don't really know why. I too am mystified by the ending, but I do like Ray Milland's character. Just don't think he's the lead. The movie is all over the place, but I still enjoy it. Paulette's a lot of fun in this one, and has those gorgeous costumes to boot.

Capuchin, that clip was just great! Never in my minds eye have I put Clem Kadiddlehopper with John Wayne.... but then I never put him with Lucy either and that's a hoot too. Bronxie - I do know what you mean. I never really wanted to see the movie but got caught up in it's satire. It's pretty wickedly funny. Do you have a list of your favorite 'psychology' movies?

with overtime.

Rod's going by a new name round here ---EWWWW!

I'm going to try again, it was so infuriating, especially because I did get back on, but since it was a full length movie, it wouldn't let me fast forward, and I didn't have time to watch the whole beginning again! Grrrr. It really makes me mad, I haven't had much movie watching time lately.

I am purposely not reading this thread, I had terrible luck this week with movies - the other one I tried to watch had a glitch at about the 1/3 point, and I couldn't watch it, and the Jubal version posted on youtube stopped working at about the halfway point today! Ugh, it makes me feel like jinx. I'm going to try again later, cause Ernie was just so affecting so far. I'm with you on Rod Steiger - ACK!!!

I don't remember Angie at all, I may not even have known who she was back when I used to see this movie on TV. I haven't watched the John Wayne movie yet, at this rate I am going so slow with my watching that I'm almost ashamed to come onto the message boards. Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice is actually the bitterest satire of those swinging, wife swapping parties, and also of the whole EST - 'finding yourself' kind of programs. It's absolutely right on target about how those programs are sometimes just an excuse to be selfish, while masking the whole thing in an attempt at 'enlightenment'. I think you might like it more than you think, but it is an uncomfortable watch. Natalie is brilliant, as is Robert Culp. A lot of it hinges on their reactions to each other and the others in the film, in between what's being said, which I like a whole lot. I think they give quite complex performances. But it's not for everyone, it's got a pretty disturbing tone to it for a comedy. I do find it funny, but it's a character driven funny, human nature type thing rather than ha ha funny. Maybe Bronxgirl would like it. I think the psychiatrist in her would find it amusing.

I am salivating at the possibilities, looking at those roll out storage cupboards. Is the Art of Love the one where Elke Sommers goes diving into the river and he saves her? Gosh, I haven't seen that in years and years! I just love Dick Van Dyke... I wish TCM would get ahold of him for some interviews or the festival or something. I can never NOT watch Divorce American Style when its on. I like the scene with Tom Bosley and his two ex-wives and THEIR new husbands and all their kids. Ha! Too funny. It's a nice gentle satire. I watched a bit of *Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice* too this morning. SPOILERS I remember how controversial it was back when I was a little kid, I think it got slammed for being too open or something...but it's really a good movie. That final scene is just devastating.... one couple realizes they aren't so forward thinking after all, but that they really love each other, and the other is completely torn apart, where they were probably headed already, but it was all made too clear when they tried to 'swing'.

> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote}Jackie, I have never liked Tushingham, either. "Irksome" is the best I can say about her. And she is the same in every movie I've seen her in: whiney. That's exactly it! I just can't enjoy her acting, for those very reasons. Although she barely says a word in Dr. Z. as I recall. Needless to say, I was distracted at the end of the story enough to miss the most critical part. I like what you both said about Shane, Ro and Frank. What I like best about it is that it's never spelled out for you by Stevens, he simply lets it be. I can see that either of you could be right, it's not even really an either/or thing. It just gets you thinking and dreaming about what they really felt and thought. Speaking of Stevens, his son, George Jr. is receiving a lifetime achievement award at this year's Oscars ceremony for his commitment to showing the importance of the arts and especially film in the service of one's country. His son Michael is also following in the family footsteps, having worked on The Kennedy Center Honors with his dad. George Jr. has said that he was always pretty much on track to become the 'second greatest filmmaker in our family.'

Thank you! I've only seen it one time through from beginning to end. and I couldn't remember. I think I was trying to figure out how two such beautiful people could have Rita Tushingham for a daughter and I wasn't paying attention to what she said very closely in that last scene. Did I mention I have an absolute phobia about Rita Tushingham? I can't even look at her, something about her bothers me.

Thanks for the recommendation of that fileting dvd, I'll be sure to request that one first. I just tried to design according to how I work in the kitchen. That's all there is to it. Stove things by the stove, snack drawer somewhere far away from the cooking area. >my desperate need for only about 200 more shelf-feet for my Final Movie Collection Solution. Now you're talking! I could use another 200 feet of shelf space for my movies.... unless of course someone sends me more.... then we'll have to bump out the back of the house.

You two make me ashamed of myself for not giving Dr. Z. more of a try. I am loving the discussion of it! Goodness, you both found so much in it! I especially enjoyed the discussion of Lean, that he makes movies about flaws, and also the description of the "Taj Majal". I don't remember what Rod Steiger does at the end of Dr.Z. I remember him coming in to warn them, like he was saving Lara and Yuri, but I cannot remember what actually happened in the end. I guess because I don't really like the movie, and don't watch it often, I don't remember that final betrayal? Something to do with the daughter? Did he send someone to a work camp or something? I just don't remember.