JackFavell
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Yay! I am SO glad this thread is here. I have learned more from this one than probably any other single thread on the boards. I'm a shootin' my guns in the air, celebrating post 7500!
I think you are right, that maybe the hard work was done by the time Pat came of age. I think her father raised her as his little princess, and she behaves as such.
And yet, I can admire her for a couple of things. She doesn't count on her prettiness to get the things she wants, she's tougher than that. She was open-minded enough to want Jim in the first place, and see his good qualities. She has a lot of vitality, and that is what the country called for.
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Your post had me rolling on the floor, Ro! I had a feeling you guys watched this show. We have gotten so addicted to Once Upon a Time Soap Opera Show (haha) that we can't miss an episode! Even Andrew has got into it.... he recognized the leading lady from House, MD and so he enjoys her part in it.
I like the humor, especially in the darker characters, like the evil Queen/Mayor of Storyville. It's so well told. Last week's episode was all about Rumpelstiltskin, how he got to be the evil one that he is, in the fairytale part of the story, and he was heartbreaking! I hope you saw it or can watch it in repeats - Alice even said, "Mom, I always hated him, now I feel sorry for him."
If Alice was any younger, I'd think of sending her out of the room more often, but she is also stubborn like her mamma, and she's always telling us to shush during the show, and when we tell her it's time to brush her teeth, at the last commercial break, she rushes so she won't miss anything!
Bronxie, *Once Upon a Time* is a new show on ABC Sunday nights, about a boy who was given a storybook filled with fairy tales. He looks around him at his town, and each person in the storybook is represented by someone in his town. He tries telling everyone, but no one believes him that the town is populated with fairytale characters come to life. Then, one day, his birth mother shows up, and he finds out he was adopted - by the evil stepmother/wicked witch/Mayor of Storyville. That's where the story starts. Then we have parallel flashbacks of what's going on in the modern town, back to the fairy tales that the characters are based on. it's fun guessing which characters are from what children's story, before it's all given away.
It's filled with poison apples, huntsman, candy houses, and medieval castles. The good folks are nice role models without being too saccharin, and the evil characters sometimes make you feel sorry for them. It's quite a good show, rather dark, like Ro said, with a more Grimm's Fairytale quality than a Disney feel - which is funny, because it's produced by ABC, which is owned by Disney.
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There you go - back to the way it was.
See ya!
Edited by: JackFavell on Jan 16, 2012 2:04 PM
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Jeff, I saw the Pola Negri photo, and also the Agnes Ayres one, they are both spectacular! If you like I will bump them up.
Personally, I enjoy talking with Bronxie just as much as I enjoy the photos. I do hope I haven't offended you with our "flurry" of discussion, however, most of it was about the photo you posted.
It's a public board and I don't see anything wrong with discussions here. If you like, I'll start a new thread called Silent Discussions, so Bronxie and I can chat with one another without bothering anyone. She hasn't been on the boards for a while, and I'd rather talk to her than worry about whether I buried your photos.
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Rabbits are too easy.
I've never seen *The Geisha Boy,* I've always stayed away from Jerry unless he was with Dean. Love *My Friend Irma.* No rabbits in that one, but Marie Wilson looks like one.
I love Bud and Lou, but I am hooked on Once Upon a Time, especially the guy from the Full Monty who plays Rumpelstiltskin. He's fantastic.
Edited by: JackFavell on Jan 15, 2012 8:04 PM
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That's right, I should have known that Bob Montgomery was in Blondie, it was just on in the last week or so..... but I wasn't paying much attention to poor Marion that day.
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Earle was in a ton of movies, most well known right now as the ham actor in the newly discovered lost film, UPSTREAM, directed by John Ford. He was in several Ford films over the years, but I think the role he would be best known for is the Earle of Kent in Mary of Scotland, with Kate Hepburn, and then in So Big (1931) as Purvis De Jong.
I wonder if it isn't a really bad picture of Johnny Mack Brown? He would still have been getting the push at MGM in 1930-1931, and he was a big football star, so they would have wanted to use him in their poster as a draw for the studio.
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She did work at MGM, Bronxie.
Earle Fox was at MGM at this time, though he didn't seem to stay at any one studio for long. I am doubting whether it's actually him... but it does look like him. I can't figure out who else it would be.
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Hey there miss B! How are you?
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The dark haired woman you thought was Mary Astor couldn't be Norma Talmadge?
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Lawrence Tibbett was a prestige star hired from the Opera, and made at least one movie that I can remember, something with a nice Russian look to it similar to The Cossacks. I can't remember the title offhand.
I didn't even realize you had listed Wallace Beery as Lon Chaney or I would have mentioned it. I still can't figure out who the dark haired woman is next to Beery, she looks very familiar, like a Ruth Chatterton type.
I find the order of the champagne bubbles to be hilarious, with Norma in the highest bubble with Marion, and Garbo on the rise, and poor Joan fated to rest underneath Norma for all of eternity.
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I think your Neil Hamilton is Earle Fox. Definitely Robert Montgomery. Definitely Marion Davies.
Not so sure about Jean Hersholt. I know the one you say is Mary Astor, isn't. Maybe Hedda Hopper?
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Haha! I do remember them, Jake!
Here's one for you:
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Hiya, Hon!
I really enjoyed The BIG Country. One thing that really struck me was how the characters mirrored each other.
It seems to me that there's two kinds of westerners. The ones who work hard and keep their mouths shut, and the ones who want everything big and brassy. Carroll Baker's character Patricia talked the talk, but didn't really walk the walk, if you know what I mean. She was western, but in the sense that she got what she wanted and never let you forget who she was. She wanted a big, strong, robust kind of man, maybe one who was a bit show offy, like herself.
All along, Jean Simmons' Julie was out there, working hard, riding hard, trying to keep her father's place from falling apart, a real western woman, quiet about what she was doing. She also had a profession, which made her seem a little more settled and grounded.
Both women were kind of high born, at least for the west, with strong fathers. I wonder if Julie's father had not died, would she have been a little more like Pat? They seem like polar opposites in a lot of ways, so maybe their upbringing was very different. I think Julie's father brought her up to give back to the land and the community, whereas Pat and her dad were all about taking charge.
They seemed like they gave something at first, in service to the community, but in reality, Pat's dad became corrupted somewhere along the way and just got used to the power. He became a taker. What's that phrase? Absolute power corrupts absolutely? Maybe this was the problem for the major. It's no accident he was called "The Major" - he had the majority of the populace and the land behind him. He was able to do pretty much whatever he wanted, and he got to thinking he was right all the time, kind of like Hank Quinlan in *Touch of Evil.* I didn't find him despicable, just wrong headed. No one in this movie was really hateful. You could at least see everyone's side of things.
Julie's father was in the middle of things. He was fair minded, because he had to be. The circumstances of where people lived in these rough times denoted what they became, or so it seems to me this movie is getting at. I get the feeling that these strong men sprang up from the land they tended, and took on the land's characteristics. So the Major became a big bully, his land stretched so far that he thought he owned the world. Mr. Maragon was thoughtful, fair-minded, because he was in the middle of things, by the water, and had to walk a fine line. Hennesey was a scrapper, an outsider who was always looking in on things. He had little, and felt the Major's control the most.... he was jealous, and saw every move on the major's part as an insult, or at least a move for more power. In some ways, he was right, but he made it personal. They both did.
Throw Gregory Peck into the mix, and you start a conflagration! Because of his personality, he somehow became a catalyst. He made these men to see themselves for what they were, and they didn't really like it one bit. His upbringing on the water also made him thoughtful and reflective, but not weak. He had a little of all the men we have talked about in him - he was a forceful personality, like the Major, an outsider, like Hennesey, and was fair-minded like Maragon. Everybody hated him for that.
Edited by: JackFavell on Jan 15, 2012 10:35 AM
Edited by: JackFavell on Jan 15, 2012 10:38 AM
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Swanson could do anything! Drama, comedy, wrestling....
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ugaarte - I am glad you are feeling better, you have been missed!
I love your story of sitting on your dad's shoulders with the mirror, and also the cedar closet! I always dreamed I could get to Narnia. Sometimes I thought if I could swing high enough in the air, and jump out of my swing at the right moment, I might end up there or in Oz. I never made it.
In the fall this year, my daughter, husband and I were walking at a nearby nature preserve. In the middle of the path, a bright orange seed or fruit, just the color of a tiny pumpkin, caught my eye. I said, "Hey, look at this teeny pumpkin, guys!" and pushed it with my foot. Suddenly legs popped out from the underside of the seed, and it proceeded to crawl up on my foot! I screamed, as did my daughter, but then we started laughing. I shook him off my foot and we carefully tried to move him from the path to the wooded area on the side. I haven't been that freaked out by a spider in a long time but he was beautiful. They are called Marbled Orb Weavers. They look something like this:
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Wow! I've never heard of them before.
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I'm trying to think of some classic films that use contact lenses as a plot point.
Um.....
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I do too! I am a big Gloria fan.
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> You're such a pushover! You'd never see me fall like that.
HA! That made me laugh.
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I thought all of the in-law stuff was great. It felt very real. And how Nora just rolls with it all is adorable.Everyone has family troubles! Even the most sophisticated. I just felt it was a breath of fresh air when they finally got out to the nightclub and he's toodling on that mini sax/ Then he kisses the wrong woman at midnight. Nora's benign but knowing reaction to his lipstick covered kisser is worth the price of the box set!
> Right. This is where movies can be similar to television, where you end up spending a lot of time with the same characters, developing a real closeness to them. Television is more like family whereas films are vacations. But Nick & Nora and Holmes & Watson are "family."
I never thought of that! It's true.
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Oh, of course! She's a riot!
> So do you love such a woman going crazy or how she plays it or both?
Both.
> I do like those whacks! I love the physical affection.
You must have loved Adam's Rib.
> Cheap dates are where you can learn the most! The fancy stuff is full of phoniness. I'd avoid those like the plague.
A fancy date doesn't have to be phony. Look at Nick and Nora.
> *That's how I saw them. I watched Room Service and The Big Store, and Go West first. Why I ever went back to watch more, I don't know.*
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> Oh, really? Was it because you knew what the very best Marx Brothers films were?
Nope. I just liked em.
> You wanted to be Groucho and had a crush on Harpo? As a young girl? Yeah, you're definitely crazy.
You bet.
> It's going to be an interesting journey. I've got a lot of different little paths I'll be taking. I just got the Garbo box set, so that's going to be another different path for me. I also got the Wellman "Forbidden Hollywood" box set for Christmas.
Oh, lordy! You and Garbo. What movies are in it? I give you points for trying anything.
> Like Carroll Baker in The Big Country.
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> She's playing Miss G! That's a big role!
MissG is as far from Carroll Baker in that movie as can be. I am closer to Carroll.
> I'm not that bad of company, am I?!
No, I just want you to watch it! It's good!
> This is the kind of dance you spoke of to me before I started watching Fred and Ginger; the love-making. Ginger is who I was really paying attention to during "Night and Day." She's pitch-perfect.
What sets them apart from any other dancers, in fact sets HER apart from any of Fred's other partners, is that she thinks the whole time she is dancing with him. You can see her change. She is overcome, and lets herself be wooed.
> It's not that great of a film, but William Powell is still very good. Roz is the bungling woman that I think you'd dislike.
She sounds like she hadn't found her legs in film yet. I'll try to find it today.
> I found her to be very sexy in *Lady of Burlesque*. I like when Barbara flashed both hard and soft like this.
That's exactly it. I loved her in this, she's the whole show, and she never disappoints. Just like Capra said, "when she turns it on.... "
> *Harold and Maude.*
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> That's one I don't have. I primarily have films from the 20s to the 60s.
Oh, blast! You are the one person I think would really like this one. My next choice would be *The Man Who Would Be King*, but that's seventies too.
This is getting harder, you've seen so many! I'm going to make you work!
Tell me which of these you've seen and pick one to watch:
A Star is Born 1937
Mon Oncle
La Strada
Flesh and the Devil (if it's in your Garbo set)
Ninotchka
Throne of Blood
Riffraff 1936
Hold Your Man
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn
Union Depot (1932)
The Roaring Twenties
G-Men
Angels with Dirty Faces
Manhattan Melodrama
Libeled Lady
I am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang ( I am assuming you've seen it)
Pygmalion
History is Made at Night
Little Miss Marker
Tarzan the Ape Man (another good series)
> I figured I was going to come up short. I do a lot of family stuff. I'm a single who lives the married life.
You're sweet.
Edited by: JackFavell on Jan 13, 2012 9:26 AM
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> Oddly enough, it's the very beginning of the film that I loved. I thought it was hilarious seeing Nick with Nora's in-laws. Lots of funny moments.
I liked Joe.
I love the line when he tosses the very young Paul Fix down the stairs, and Nick coming up the stairs says, "My! What big confetti they're throwing these days."
> I can see how the two are similar, in that you watch for the two leads and their relationship more than anything else. At least I've got Gloria Grahame showing up in the "Thin Man"!
You are totally right, each of the series is built completely around our liking of the main characters TOGETHER. I actually like that one with Gloria a lot, of the later ones. Again, I like the milieu.
> Really? I would not have guessed that. What did you like about her? I would have thought Ida Moore was your favorite. I thought she was fun.
I forget Ida.... it says she is an old woman in the credits.... does she toddle through every once in a while? I can't remember.
Neva is great, she reminds me so much of Gail Patrick... always so snooty and arrogant and above it all, but then coming apart completely when her baby, epicac(?) is spitting up. She goes crazy. I love it.
> I completely agree. I like when Kate gives her a good whack.
You like those whacks! I should have known you'd like this movie.
> So do I. I love his watchful quiet.
I love it when he takes her to lunch. At first, it's like every woman's nightmare of getting all dressed up to go out, then end up on the cheap date. But it actually turns out fun.
> Aldo and Chuck? Now that's some casting! I'm going to try and watch it very soon. I do like Spence and Kate together, even if their films don't always hold up for me. I liked *Desk Set* from start to finish, though. But it doesn't feature the high notes of *Woman of the Year* and *Adam's Rib*.
Exactly.
> That is correct. I have the lesser of the two box sets, but that may end up being a good way to see the boys.
That's how I saw them. I watched Room Service and The Big Store, and Go West first. Why I ever went back to watch more, I don't know. I do find something in each to amuse me. And they must have just hit me right at the time. I was pretty young, and was highly influenced by Groucho, cause I was shy. I wanted to have a comeback for everything like he did. And I fell in love with Harpo. And Chico.
> I'm learning I need some kind of a story unless I really enjoy the comedy routines. For example, I don't need a story with the Three Stooges. It's all about their physical comedy and interactions.
We'll see if that is still true when you get through all of them.
> Poor Jimmy! He was definitely stuck with a hapless role.
Like Carroll Baker in The Big Country.
> I'm going to try and watch it tonight.
Yay! Go! Now!
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I love that one! She's all breathless and then he's so casual at the end!
> She's definitely at her best as "Hildy." This is why I was surprised to see her in *China Seas* and *Rendezvous* playing a much different woman. I found her cute and sweet.
I have to go dig up Rendezvous, I know I recorded it, but I put it away somewhere.
> I think it's a very fun film and the milieu is a big part of the allure. It's a good watch. I just love how Barbara can seamlessly change gears with her characters and films.
She kills me when she does song and dance. Really, she could do anything.
> Yes! I love watching suggestions. It really helps me become a richer person. So go ahead and fire away.
Harold and Maude.
> Nope, I'm afraid not. I was overwhelmed with family stuff. I fell 7 films short. So I'm trying to watch those films this month.
I'm sorry. I thought for sure you were going to make it.
>I need to watch 27-28 films this month. I've watched 10, thus far.
Go! Get going!
Edited by: JackFavell on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 PM
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Teddy at the Throttle was one of my first silents, too! My sister had the Blackhawk 8mm version, and it was one of the first we watched. Later I got my own projector and bought movies from them. I still have pleasant memories of Teddy.
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He is! Some of my favorite scenes are of them walking Asta! I love how they are talking with Sam Levene or whoever, and the leash keeps pulling them back, to the fire hydrant, the tree, the fence......
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>As Jackie does, I really find her terribly funny in Dinner at Eight but I think you might loathe that movie, even more than Wife vs. Secretary.
>Loathe? That sounds like a great challenge! I'll watch it next.
I really didn't like WvsS, but I love Dinner at Eight. It's a drama though.
I agree with MissG, I pretend Little Nicky doesn't exist. I prefer Asta's family troubles.
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I think it's a great idea, Homesoul.
She worked on quite a few Clara Bow pics, including IT, RED HAIR, HULA, and THE PLASTIC AGE. She also worked on FLESH AND THE DEVIL. She has an autobiography that might illuminate more movies she worked on. You can buy it here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Shocking-Miss-Pilgrim-Maas-Frederica-Sagor-/380377226982?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item58903fdee6