Big_Bopper

Some of you are mean! You know how I know? I got this metal helmet I made - actually its a metal pot with tin foil attached & it rings when one of you answers my thread & when the reaction is negative it rings in a more darker tone. I am going to report you to michael chertoff. I assure you busy as he is attending to all our "natural" disasters & torturing innocent people & tasing old people & stealing laptops & conducting martial law drills & threatening our congressmen etc. he still has time to fix your mean wagons. the one who called me a troll - your goin down pal ...right to the island...& you too you know who you are - the one who said I post too much ... your in deep doo doo....michael chertoff is all seeing all knowing & his eyes are like... the kids from "village of the damned" ....if I sic the dude on you you'll beg me for forgiveness but with michael chertoff there is no meaning to the word "forgive".....I could forgive you easy but he never will...

first of all it is no criticism of anybody on this board. & I do post from time to time but not much considering how long I been here & how few posts I got. Why some o yous get 140 posts a week! but not having tcm doesnt mean I'm totally free of tcm. no way. I just got a video of maltese falcon with 50 min. of robert osborne telling the history of bogie & wb........ before the movie........ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....... & you get to see the trailer of maltese falcon 3 times! you think I'm kidding? really there is no escape. but I tried. no there is no old movie channel as good or as bad if you get my drift. cuz there is only one! lets face it old people should just hurry up n get cancer for all hollywood cares. old people are on fixed incomes. they dont spend money on date movies. anyway its illegal for you to watch tcm...because by transferring the images to your mind you are infringing the copyrights...youre all guilty of intellectual property theft. you should all be taken to an island & be made to slave for peter lorre as your commandant. thattle fix your wagons. yoo hoo......miss musical .....I could teach you the flute - its easy. just pucker up & blow......

you're new around here, miss musical? what instrument do you play?

I guess you didn't get what I was intending. the thing is I never thought I wouldn't care if I had it or not. I thought it would bother me not having it.

it has been 3 months since I cancelled digital cable. I dont know how you're gunna take this - I hope the way I'm intending. I never even think about tcm. I do lots of things instead like read books & I see way more old movies & better movies than when I had tcm! its true. not that I expect any of you to believe it. one of the things I dont miss is robert osborne. I imagine in real life he's a decent enough person but I dont know what it is - he got on my nerves. maybe its because he's such a phony. he's a damn good actor as a phony. that's what I mean. the act is what got on my nerves. the movies on tcm got real stale. same ol same ol know what I mean? really annoying. actually I could not be more happy not having tcm. I would have never thought I'd say that! actually THEY made me say it. because tcm knew they sucked & they played the same repeats so many times to make sure it would suck. except to a fool. thank googa mooga I'm not one. there's a movie called that...I seen it on tcm... susan hayward ...its called "I thank a fool" ......................... thank you!

if you want something done right you gotta do it yourself. my cable tv said to me: your love gives me a thrill but your love dont pay my bills I need money.......since i stopped paying they left my cable on 77 channels ...... so no tcm...... anyway tcm did show some o basil dearden.... pix I own n like dead of night frieda train of events blue lamp violent playground secret partner victim sapphire league of gentlemen all night long woman of straw here;s a bio n pic a great filmmaker - not well known - awesome really when you think about it. real class but with courage. better than david lean http://www.filmreference.com/Directors-Co-Du/Dearden-Basil.html

hi i'm back....just read a lorre bio so had to post. to name just 5 - add to those already mentioned which I like ..... he was great in just about everything. i especially like: "face behnd the mask" & he was a sicko in "island of doomed men" - good post war pics " Black Angel" & "Quicksand"... the author said he was a junky his entire life. married to celia lovsky & later to kaaren verne. just saw 20,000 leagues under the sea where he looked sick. maybe his worst pic. lorre author interview here http://www.peterlorrebook.com/interview1.html

I will be in your city soon to sign autographs & please come & see me! just kidding. the funny thing is how can you possibly know somebody on a board? I love movies just like you. maybe even more than you. you will never meet me. so the whole premise is absurd. I bet many of you think you know me. well enough to know you would not wanna meet me. I do give offa vibe. a vibe is not a whole person just a feeling. I will explain & when I'm done you will know me. I'm married but not for long. the divorce is almost final. I have an 11 year old son. if not for movies I'd be lost. because when you are married to an abusive person you need to have an escape. every word this abusive person says is horrible. never a nice word or approval. movies are the escape. believe it or not this same thing is happening to my brother but even worse! he cannot even see his son. not for a minute. & he lives with him! his abusive person keeps his son upstairs all the time. so I am going to share my movies with my brother to give him the escape that worked so well for me. for you ladies reading this - this is not a criticism of you personally just a generality. women have gotten so nasty! the past 20-30 years has produced monsters. a monster whats a monster? I don't know where you live if you can understand this. if you are married the cops will arrest you for nothing. my abusive person constantly threatens me with the cops knowing if the cops come they will hurt me. not her. my brother called the cops cuz his abusive person was getting violent. he was arrested for nothing & cost $3,500 to get out of jail. my abusive person called the cops over nothing. all I did was try to get my son out of the bathtub as he was splashing water all over. the cop came in the house in a fury not knowing anything just looking to hurt me! grabbed me in a choke hold got my arms up cuffed me dragged me out into the street & dragged me barefoot 50 ft. to the cop car & put me in without knowing a single thing about why they were called or anything. luckily he had a partner who was levelheaded. the bad cop was hoping I had something on my record which would allow an arrest or more abuse. but my record was clean. after this I explained to my abusive person to not call the cops because they kill people for nothing. & my abusive person agreed not to. but just about every week my abusive person threatens to call the cops for nothing. after agreeing not to. that is a monster. men are in big trouble in this country with monsters & killer cops. women have become terribly abusive & violent. its a shock. come to think of it you probably will not learn anything about me from this thread.

you crashed my son's computer.

Hollywood Is Becoming the Pentagon's Mouthpiece for Propaganda Published on Tuesday, May 27, 2008. "Liberal Hollywood" is a favorite whipping-boy of right-wingers who suppose the town and its signature industry are ever-at-work undermining the U.S. military. In reality, the military has been deeply involved with the film industry since the Silent Era. Today, however, the ad hoc arrangements of the past have been replaced by a full-scale one-stop shop, occupying a floor of a Los Angeles office building. There, the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, and the Department of Defense itself have established entertainment liaison offices to help ensure that Hollywood makes movies the military way. What they have to trade, especially when it comes to blockbuster films, is access to high-tech, tax-payer funded, otherwise unavailable gear. What they get in return is usually the right to alter or shape scripts to suit their needs. If you want to see the fruits of this relationship in action, all you need to do is head down to your local multiplex. Chances are that Iron Man -- the latest military-entertainment masterpiece -- is playing on a couple of screens. For the past three weeks, Iron Man --a film produced by its comic-book parent Marvel and distributed by Paramount Pictures -- has cleaned up at the box office, taking in a staggering $222.5 million in the U.S. and $428.5 million worldwide. The movie, which opened with "the tenth biggest weekend box office performance of all time" and the second biggest for a non-sequel, has the added distinction of being the "best-reviewed movie of 2008 so far." For instance, in the New York Times, movie reviewer A.O. Scott called Iron Man "an unusually good superhero picture," while Roger Ebert wrote: "The world needs another comic book movie like it needs another Bush administration... [but] if we must have one more... 'Iron Man' is a swell one to have." There has even been nascent Oscar buzz. Robert Downey Jr. has been nearly universally praised for a winning performance as playboy-billionaire-merchant-of-death-genius-inventor Tony Stark, head of Stark Industries, a fictional version of Lockheed or Boeing. In the film, Stark travels to Afghanistan to showcase a new weapon of massive destruction to American military commanders occupying that country. On a Humvee journey through the Afghan backlands, his military convoy is caught up in a deadly ambush by al-Qaeda stand-ins, who capture him and promptly subject him to what Vice President Dick Cheney once dubbed "a dunk in the water," but used to be known as "the Water Torture." The object is to force him to build his Jericho weapons system, one of his "masterpieces of death," in their Tora Bora-like mountain cave complex. As practically everyone in the world already knows, Stark instead builds a prototype metal super-suit and busts out of his cave of confinement, slaughtering his terrorist captors as he goes. Back in the U.S., a born-again Stark announces that his company needs to get out of the weapons game, claiming he has "more to offer the world than making things blow up." Yet, what he proceeds to build is, of course, a souped-up model of the suit he designed in the Afghan cave. Back inside it, as Iron Man, he then uses it to "blow up" bad guys in Afghanistan, taking on the role of a kind of (super-)human-rights vigilante. He even tangles with U.S. forces in the skies over that occupied land, but when the Air Force's sleek, ultra high-tech, F-22A Raptors try to shoot him down, he refrains from using his awesome powers of invention to blow them away. This isn't the only free pass doled out to the U.S. military in the film. Just as America's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue to bring various Vietnam analogies to mind, Iron Man has its own Vietnam pedigree. Before Tony Stark landed in Afghanistan in 2008, he first lumbered forth in Vietnam in the 1960s. That was, of course, when he was still just the clunky hero of the comic book series on which the film is based. Marvel's metal man then battled that era's American enemies of choice: not al-Qaedan-style terrorists, but communists in Southeast Asia. Versions of the stereotypical evil Asiansof Iron Man's comic book world would appear almost unaltered on the big screen in 1978 in another movie punctuated by gunfire and explosions that also garnered great reviews. The Deer Hunter, an epic of loss and horror in Vietnam, eventually took home four Academy Awards, including Best Picture honors. Then, and since, however, the movie has been excoriated by antiwar critics for the way it turned history on its head in its use of reversed iconic images that seemingly placed all guilt for death and destruction in Vietnam on America's enemies. Most famously, it appropriated a then-unforgettable Pulitzer prize-winning photo of Lt. Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan, South Vietnam's national police chief, executing an unarmed, bound prisoner during the Tet Offensive with a point blank pistol shot to the head. In the film, however, it was the evil enemy which made American prisoners do the same to themselves as they were forced to play Russian Roulette for the amusement of their sadistic Vietnamese captors (something that had no basis in reality). The film Iron Man is replete with such reversals, starting with the obvious fact that, in Afghanistan, it is Americans who have imprisoned captured members of al-Qaeda and the Taliban (as well as untold innocents) in exceedingly grim conditions, not vice-versa. It is they who, like Tony Stark, have been subjected to the Bush administration's signature "harsh interrogation technique." While a few reviewers have offhandedly alluded to the eeriness of this screen choice, Iron Man has suffered no serious criticism for taking the imprisonment practices, and most infamous torture, of the Bush years and superimposing it onto America's favorite evil-doers. Nor have critics generally thought to point out that, while, in the film, the nefarious Obadiah Stane, Stark's right hand man, is a double-dealing arms dealer who is selling high-tech weapons systems to the terrorists in Afghanistan (and trying to kill Stark as well), two decades ago the U.S. government played just that role. For years, it sent advanced weapons systems -- including Stinger missiles, one of the most high-tech weapons of that moment -- to jihadis in Afghanistan so they could make war on one infidel superpower (the Soviet Union), before setting their sights on another (the United States). And while this took place way back in the 1980s, it shouldn't be too hard for film critics to recall - since it was lionized in last year's celebrated Tom Hanks film Charlie Wilson's War. In the cinematic Marvel Universe, however, the U.S. military, which runs the notorious prison at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan where so many have been imprisoned, abused, and, in some cases, have even died, receives a veritable get out of jail free card. And you don't need to look very closely to understand why -- or why the sleek U.S. aircraft in the film get a similar free pass from Iron Man, even when they attack him, or why terrorists and arms dealers take the fall for what the U.S. has done in the real world. If they didn't, you can be sure that Iron Man wouldn't be involved in a blue-skies ballet with F-22A Raptors in the movie's signature scene and that the filmmakers would never have been able to shoot at Edwards Air Force base -- a prospect which could have all but grounded Iron Man, since, as director Jon Favreau put it, Edwards was "the best back lot you could ever have." Favreau, in fact, minced no words in his ardent praise for the way working with the Air Force gave him access to the "best stuff" and how filming on the base brought "a certain prestige to the film." Perhaps in exchange for the U.S. Air Force's collaboration, there was an additional small return favor: Iron Man's confidant, sidekick, and military liaison, Lt. Col. James "Rhodey" Rhodes -- another hero of the film -- is now an Air Force man, not the Marine he was in the comic. With the box office numbers still pouring in and the announcement of sequels to come, the arrangement has obviously worked out well for Favreau, Marvel, Paramount -- and the U.S. Air Force. Before the movie was released, Master Sergeant Larry Belen, the superintendent of technical support for the Air Force Test Pilot School and one of many airmen who auditioned for a spot in the movie, outlined his motivation to aid the film: "I want people to walk away from this movie with a really good impression of the Air Force, like they got about the Navy seeing Top Gun." Air Force captain Christian Hodge, the Defense Department's project officer for Iron Man, may have put it best, however, when he predicted that, once the film appeared, the "Air Force is going to come off looking like rock stars." Maybe the Air Force hasn't hit the Top Gun-style jackpot with Iron Man, but there can be no question that, in an American world in which war-fighting doesn't exactly have the glitz of yesteryear, Iron Man is certainly a military triumph. As Chuck Vinch noted in a review published in the Air Force Times, "The script... will surely have the flyboy brass back at the Pentagon trading high fives -- especially the scene in which Iron Man dogfights in the high clouds with two F-22 Raptors." Coming on the heels of last year's military-aided mega-spectacular Transformers, the Pentagon is managing to keep a steady stream of pro-military blockbusters in front of young eyes during two dismally unsuccessful foreign occupations that grind on without end. In his Iron Man review, Roger Ebert called the pre-transformation Tony Stark, "the embodiment of the military-industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned against in 1961 -- a financial superhero for whom war is good business, and whose business interests guarantee there will always be a market for war." Here's the irony that Ebert missed: What the film Iron Man actually catches is the spirit of the successor "complex," which has leapt not only into the cinematic world of superheroes, but also into the civilian sphere of our world in a huge way. Today, almost everywhere you look, whether at the latest blockbuster on the big screen or what's on much smaller screens in your own home -- likely made by a defense contractor like Sony, Samsung, Panasonic or Toshiba -- you'll find the Pentagon or its corporate partners. In fact, from the companies that make your computer to those that produce your favorite soft drink, many of the products in your home are made by Defense Department contractors -- and, if you look carefully, you don't even need the glowing eyes of an advanced "cybernetic helmet," like Iron Man's, to see them.

"Has Hollywood completely ran out of creativity?" I think you need to buy a billboard in l.a. & spray paint it on it. for the whole city to see. its appalling how low they can go. but they are creative. they use creative bookeeping.

forgot brief encounter. i like that one too. you will never see any oscar for brownlow. plenty great people nevva got one. no biggie. hollywood is now the propaganda machine for the pentagone. there is no art left. pretty sad. it happened awful fast too. just goes to show enjoy what you got while you got it. things slip away.

its David Lean by Kevin Brownlow. it is huge. weighs 10 pounds & has over 800 pgs. I like several Lean movies. the dickens stuff & a few others. bridge on river kwai I like. madelaine I like. this happy breed I like. You don't always get to make the movie you want. or the story that suits you. Brownlow really researched his subject. I would like to read a similar book on Michael Winner. He surely deserves one. I will let you know what I think after I read it.......

its the kino version. run the movie ahead till you get to the scene where joan drops the dictaphone disc. after that she has the nightmare.

nicknames differentiate people with the same names. there were two girls named barbara & one wore these glasses. so while chatting I said: "barbara coke bottles" to make sure we were talking about the same person & somebody heard it & it spread until she was officially: "Barbara Coke Bottles". its not something I'm proud of. but I think she was flattered that people cared enough about her. people want to be accepted & liked etc.

bout the glasses.....if you noticed they were thick lenses - what we used to call "coke bottles"... I once named a girl that & it stuck...... but thats another story.....when he strangles her the glasses fall on the grass & you see the reflection......you following me?.... good ...... so when bruno gives guy the glasses one of the lenses is broke with glass missing....... how did they break? it takes alot to break a coke bottle lense.

I'm sure many of you are familiar with the pic thru Kino video so this information may be valuable to you. I recorded sudden fear off romance channel & the print is different from the one used to make the Kino video. there are cuts in the Kino version. just thought I'd share this with you. when joan finds out she is marked for death, she has a paranoid nightmare. in the nightmare, she finds herself falling & being smothered by a pillow. these brief shots are missing from the Kino version (at least the vhs tape).

color me speechless

yes it was on. I was wrong. I have no problem admitting I was wrong. But actually I was not wrong! Hows at? TCM refused to show the movie. its true. I have something to say & I hope I dont hurt nobodys feelings. tcm showed the pic when the dead guys widow got up & begged for it! Then they showed it. Now I know you have read on this board the babblings of ms. lzenclyclopedia ...... saying all this about rights & contracts..... its bull$h!t....... WB warner bros. can get any movie ever made anywhere on the planet if they want it. look at this situation: Hollywood destroys movies, not for any good reason but out of jealousy & other bad reasons like it. just to power trip that they can destroy anything they dont like. So 50 years goes by & people find out & say "Lets see that movie" the one hollywood jerks destroyed. So now tcm does what? ............ nothing........... so then people start to realize that by showing the pic tcm will reveal for the first time what a great pic hollywood jerks destroyed & now tcm is getting nervous & they need to above all protect hollywoods reputation & ......so they just ignore it......... so then it reaches the point where they have to finally show it. how can they do it in such a way that tcm is not associated with it? By getting the dead guys widow to beg for it takes them off the hook. gone to earth has been around since the 80's - I know cuz I seen it when it was first shown. tcm showed no interest in it.....its a fact. same thing with "age of consent" jerks destroyed it for no good reason & tcm showed it when the widow begged for it...sad but true.

As I said I read it somewheres the alt version was more queer...thats why I started the thread. supposedly wb wanted the gay stuff toned down. wanted a list of cuts. but what about the loophole...... if the cop saw the luggage he would know guy was nearby. & he was a murder suspect. the cop could/should have ordered an arrest/stop on sight based on the luggage. or gone looking for guy...

the story is difficult to describe. its a unique powell-pressburger pic like all of them. she marries cyril cusack but it just don't work out here is somethin bout it I found on a page THE WILD HEART (aka Gone To Earth) Color, 82 min. Released: May 29, 1952 (RKO) Cast: Jennifer Jones (as Hazel Woodus), David Farrar, Cyril Cusack, Sybil Thorndike, Edward Chapman, Esmond Knight. Director: Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger Producer: Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger Complete Credits at IMDB : Not available : Not available David Farrar and Jennifer Jones An English gypsy girl whose life is governed by superstition and magic is urged by her father to marry. She promises him that she will marry the first man who asks her even though her deepest affection is for her pet fox. Hazel is pursued by two men, the local pastor and an English squire. When the parson proposes marriage, she accepts and they marry but conflicts arise when the squire continues his pursuit of Hazel. The Wild Heart is a film unlike anything Jennifer Jones ever did. It was based on the novel by Mary Webb and came to Selznick's attention on a visit to England. Selznick had recently inked a deal with Sir Alexander Korda to make several films in England and Gone To Earth (the original title) was to be one of these. It was to be directed by the prestigious team of Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger whose recent films The Red Shoes and Black Narcissus were universally praised. Jennifer worked hard at the role of Hazel Woodus, especially at perfecting a Shropshire accent. It was filmed on location in the Shropshire countryside which resulted in some beautiful scenery. Unfortunately when the film was released in England that year it flopped at the box office. Selznick was so dissatisfied with the film that he decided to redo it in Hollywood. He hired director Rouben Mamoulain to direct new scenes while he cut scenes from the original. After the hatchet job, the new film, now called The Wild Heart ran only 82 minutes as compared to the 110 minute original. It was not released in the United States until 1952 (two years following it's release in England) and it too failed at the box office. Today, The Wild Heart is being reassessed. The original Powell/Pressburger version was recently released in art theaters in the United States to great success. It is one of Jennifer Jones most provocative performances. Her accent(although criticized at the time) is very effective and the wild innocence of Hazel is the type of role she excelled in. It has been said that the power of her performance is lost in the cut version. (no $h!t sherlock) mo pix

I was planning to write something about "gone to earth" but I was distracted by something & was unable to continue. I own a copy of the movie. for those of you who are unfamiliar, Gone To Earth was destroyed by selznick & edited into a mess called "the wild heart". then I heard the movie was put back together & I saw it in a film archive. it was a workprint which had crummy technicolor. they were trying to get better footage, then by luck I got a bootleg copy. TCM is refusing to show it. selznick was completely insane - its a fact. cost me $20 back in the 80s. tcm is refusing to show alot of important movies. as time goes by I hope to talk about some of them.

I was unable to see the you tube thing. But thanks anyway cuz it helps understand the 2 versions. I joke alot about everything. I only used that gay marriage gimmick bcuz it was the first day after the supreme court ruling. Actually the meeting between Guy & Bruno was not accidental. Bruno was obviously stalking Guy - knew everything about him for years. musta hadda crush on him......I think that I read the two versions- the so-called British version was actually the preview version. Then they decided on changes & some cuts were awkward. I like the alternate version better. It runs smoother. In the thing I read it actually said it was "gayer" ......that must be where I got the idea. written by raymond chandler! can't forget that. loophole............when Guy returns home he begins to enter his apartment & Bruno calls him. He put his luggage down inside the door... ...While he is over talking to Bruno the police go in his house & ring his bell...The cop would surely have noticed the luggage & this would have been suspicious....but the cop inexplicably missed it!..........loophole

Just wanna notify yous I was only kidding about the gay theme. The movie is normal & its a great movie. I was unaware there were two versions until last week. I had recorded it off amc in the 90's & never watched it. So I recorded it again last night. Turns out the one on amc was the alternate version. That was lucky huh? The way you can tell right away is the credits. On the official version under Farley Granger's name it says: "Mr. Granger appears by arrangement with Samuel Goldwyn" On the alternate version it just lists his name. there are lots of bits of footage that were cut in the official version. nothing important. the ending is different. the official version has Ruth Roman & Farley on a train & a priest asks him if he is Guy Haines. This scene is not in the alternate version.