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It is not well known but Cavalcanti also directed the Christmas Party sequence in Dead of Night this is a scary poster! nice pic here is a staircase which truly represents a twisted sexuality

I like capricorn one. its dumb in a good way & considering its true then you know why tcm waited so long to show it. I know, don't tell me, let me guess... their schedule was so busy they couldn't fit it in! I often think tcm is on borrowed time...waiting for the army to tell wb to end it. if the army told wb to end tcm would they?

I, Gavin Newsome, by the power vested in me by the supreme court ... pronounce you... husband & husband.... Stranglers on a Train off the beaten track & then some....... nice color bruno's creepin around out there somewhere................................there he is!

I have not seen it but I heard it was the preview version, It was thought to be too queer so some of the stuff was cut. if any of you live in nor. cal. they are showing it on ch. 9 - saturday nite - 8 pm. .......saw a preview & it might be the queer version......

For them that might be looking to score a copy of For Them That Trespass, it is available look around.....try Big Reel ads..... anyway I gave my from memory synopsis & I was wrong so I just want to clarify that.... I said the girl was married. She was betrothed to a guy named Jim who was a railroad employee. the story is about an upper class playwrite who submitted a play & was told he needed to have more "life experience" so he decided to slum. In the bar he sees Todd & the girl chatting. Todd stashes his robbery money in her hole in the wall. When Todd goes to Glascow on a robbery she flirts with the playwrite who follows her home. He gives her a poem which she places in the hole in the wall. When Todd gets out of jail he goes to recover money he had stashed & finds the poem. other than that the movie is as I said - just wanna clear that up. in the credits it says: "Introducing Richard Todd" which means its his first big role. screenplay by J. Lee Thompson. One other thing. What makes a movie great is its believability factor. & that depends on the world the director creates that the actors inhabit. That is what makes Cavalcanti special. He gives you this world believably. it makes everything else even far fetched stuff come off.

may I rent you out as an encyclopedia? (kidding)

according to movies unlimited the classic period ended in 1962. this uh different drummer might just be a chimpanzee bangin on some bongos for all you know.

dear tcm...... if you been reading my threads you know i'm wise to your scheme. you refuse to show Michael Winner refuse to show Cavalcanti refuse to show Soviet silents your outta yer fkin minds! you got no bizness bein in the old movie bizness!

I have yet to see "Went the Day Well" so it is not my place to judge it but the ones I listed are of such a high level of artistry that very few directors come close to. For instance Nicholas Nickleby is a long story & just to compress it enough to a normal film length 108 min. is an achievement. Plus the movie is perfect as you can get! TCM sells it on movies unlimited along with dead of night here http://turnerclassic.moviesunlimited.com/results_actor.asp?search=SallyAnnHowes They Made Me a Fugitive has been shown on Encore Mystery so its available......... For Them That Trespass is a very good film noir movie. there is nothing about it on IMDB so I will tell you a little from memory. Richard Todd is a thief & there is a girl in a bar he likes. She's married but cheats. In the town is a poet who meets the girl when Todd was away on a robbery. When the poet was with the girl in her house, her husband showed up unexpectedly. Poet got away but left a poem he wrote in a hole in the wall. but the husband kills her. Then Todd shows up & is convicted of the murder. He serves 10 years in jail & when he gets out he sees a play written by the poet which tells the exact story of the murder. Todd found the poem in the hole in the wall cuz he used it to stash his stolen goods. So Todd knows the poet was involved... he visits him & the poet denies everything - the poet got rich off the play & offers Todd some money as charity. Todd wants to clear his name....... Todd ends up dealing with the husband. The husband is curious if Todd suspects him & so he befriends Todd. As Todd gets closer to the truth the husband decides to kill him to shut him up. Todd catches the plot before the husband can ko him with a wrench.....they wrestle & the husband is killed by a train....... all this is filmed so beautifully you think it is real life. a perfect movie. far fetched but all stories are a little. This was the first movie Todd became noticed & was a star soon after. it was made for ABPC associated british pictures corporation.

those of you who saw my Michael Winner thread will be familiar with this theme. TCM just doesn't dig my wavelength daddyo....they refuse to show Michael Winner & now this great master Cavalcanti. I want TCM to groove on what I like - to represent me to approve of my choices. They have what I'd call a lame agenda. the best of cavalcanti - the dummy sequence in Dead of Night 1945 for ealing & then Nicholas Nickleby in 1947 & They Made Me a Fugitive 1947 & For Them That Trespass 1949 either a person is great or they aren't & Cavalcanti is undeniably great. Michael Balcon gave him his chance at Ealing & he delivered. I have these movies but not from TCM. TCM could not be bothered showing great stuff. it is too busy giving you the Terminator! Nicholas Nickleby came between the other two Dickens classics Great Expectations 1946 & Oliver Twist 1948 Michael Balcon had a feud with Mayer of mgm & had to suffer humiliation. the problem was Balcon knew about films & Mayer didn't know squat. this maybe why TCM don't show Cavalcanti. you tell me........

what I meant to say is the studios give the scripts to the universitys. but they are not for the general public. only for people who are students there or those who have an official reason to use the script. when I got the script for "3 into 2 won't go", I caught them off guard. the chief librarian is a gatekeeper. anyway when he saw what script I had (boing!) & saw I had no credentials (BOING!) he shut me down. about the movie... maybe you'll see it in your lifetime. possibly not. the movie is very cynical & nasty. just like real life. & universal wanted more candy coating. the characters talk to one another like arguing & not caring what the other person says. just the way people do in real life! & the characters a drawn from real life people rod steiger - frank claire bloom - ava judy geeson - mia imagine these people in the same room arguing. people would pay to see it.

This is a true story. Remember I was telling you that Oliver Reed in Z.P.G. typed into a database......? but I made a mistake. he didn't type "abortion"..... he typed "premature birth" ... & got zapped by electricity & while frozen unable to move was interrogated right in the chair! Now couldn't our army use that gizmo. So I made a mistake & I'm telling you I was wrong. I know... you people let me off the hook. on to the true story...when I lived in L.A. I was into movies & checking around I found out scripts were given to university libraries. so I looked for the script to a movie that always interested me "3 into 2 won't go" 1969 for a reason no one knows, universal destroyed this movie & it has never been seen since 1969. that remains the case to this day. anyway back in the 70's I found the script in USC library so I was not allowed to borrow it but they let me have it to study there. I started writing the cut scenes & was at it awhile when a man comes up & says "no copying the script"... I said "I'm not copying the script...I'm making notes." "Is making notes allowed?" he says "you're writing too much..." See when they heard what script I had checked out, the guy was told to stop me .....anyway I had written mostly all I wanted by then. duh duh duh dats hollyweird! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065097/maindetails

Its not funny. Hollywood think these movies are so precious they can't show them! once every ten years is ridiculous & its not in proper format etc. I got news for you they are not precious. Hollywood better be careful or they will find out nobody cares. Taxi Driver is not precious. I lived in L.A. 5 years. I did everything you can do. I attended screenings at the major studios, Academy of Motion Pix etc. They are insane. Using time compression is a fkin crime. Hollywood is completely sold out to the army. they make more army propaganda & doomsday scenarios than any other genre. They peddle this swill around the world. Hollywood has lost all respect for itself. Here is hollywood lunacy: They make a new print & 1. time compress it, 2. fake letterbox which means cropping the top & bottom to make it look widescreen these wackos have no integrity left. Why do all this trashing? It's an insult to art! Stupid fcuks. Every artist with any talent was blacklisted! how stupid is that? Who are you blacklisting for? the army? look at this new atrocity.....digital phony effects. It looks so damn phony. more & more stupidity. there's no end & no limit to the rubbish hollywood can create.

Do you think TCM programmers read my threads? They have a real aversion to Soviet movies. Wonder why that is? You know these Soviet pix were picked up dirt cheap by Blackhawk & Corinthe & now are much more highly valued & appreciated. How do you rate my photo montage? Is it art or propaganda?

yes you are right in the sense that very early one reelers but my whole point of view is a rebuttle to the article I posted claiming Metropolis is the first. We are talking about feature length movies. the woman clearly states" Metropolis - The First Science Fiction Movie"....as the title of her article........ that is all I'm saying ....... "she is wrong".

this is the reason I started the thread. propaganda metropolis is way better than aelita. & I like it better. but aelita was first. that is just a fack, jack. http://www.geocities.com/area51/5555/erika.htm

I just saw a metropolis page where it was said metropolis was the first but its wrong. This is the first I don't know if TCM ever showed this. I don't think so. It was on scifi channel once. its a good movie. The costumes look Mayan or Aztec. Check it out! Fritz Lang must have seen it. From 1924 that is a musical instrument the workers are in revolt... & she does not approve..............................................................love the one you're with... heres a poster ..................................................................reminds me of a girl I know I think she's got 3 hooters or bumpy bits or whatever........A........B........or ........C? Thats nikolai batalov - star of mother ready for your closeup?.................this flag was found on mars!

I would like to tell you about my version of the movie which is the only version I've seen. I bought it in the 80's from Glenn Photo Supply. It is 73 min. long. I'm sure it originates from England as it has a censor seal from there. the titles look hand made or home made. But they are completely properly placed. so the movie is coherent. It has all the good things you expect from an Eisenstein movie. The editing is his style no doubt. But on this subject he was not a good fit. He overused the montage gimmick so much that it just wears you down. For instance, every scene has 50-60 cuts just to establish the simplest idea! & then the problem Eisenstein was unable to master was the tone. He was still experimenting & tried humor & it was a mess. He got in trouble by depicting the Communist Central Committee as lazy layabout types just passing paper around to look like they are working. What happens is the girl has no horse. & the farming requires it so she goes begging to a rich family nearby & a fat slob who wakes up drunk & drinks more beer & goes back to sleep. So no horse... plus she sees their son riding a horse for fun. So the girl gets the old cow out & tries to plow the ground but the cow quits from exhaustion. Then the sequence where the religious procession tries to bring rain. The girl starts agitating about collective farming & a bolshevik leader assigned to the region educates the peasants,,,,all these scenes loaded with rapid editing montage. The Bolshevik unveils the cream separator machine. The peasants are skeptical but the machine delivers & so a vote is taken & a collective farm is established, The girl needs a bull to rebuild the herd. She gets one from another collective farm. He is Tommy. Eisenstein then stages a gigantic sequence of a marriage...... of Tommy & .......a cow....some of this was cut. sex between the two animals. Then she catches the members stealing money for booze. She confronts them & is bullied but the bolshevik arrives & gets all the money back. It is decided for the girl to visit Moscow to get the tractor. she must take a train. while she's away the neighbors want to stop collectivization so they poison Tommy. When she gets back & finds him dead she cries.... but hearing her a young calf comes over & consoles her. Tommy created enough offspring the herd is fine. The tractor arrives & has engine trouble. The peasants are skeptical. The driver decides to show the true power of a tractor. After he fixes the engine, they attach all the wagons together & the tractor pulls all of them in a procession all around for everyone to see. Then the driver & the girl fall in love & the movie ends happily. this 73 min. seems like 2 hours with all the montages. really overdid it. but nobody did the montage gimmick better so....... it just didn't fit too well with the subject.

The General Line aka Old and New (original title: Staroye i novoye) is a 1929 Soviet film directed by Sergei Eisenstein. The General Line was begun in 1927 as a celebration of the collectivization of agriculture, as championed by old-line Bolshevik Leon Trotsky. Hoping to reach a wide audience, the director forsook his usual practice of emphasizing groups by concentrating on a single rural heroine. Eisenstein briefly abandoned this project to film October: Ten Days That Shook the World, in honour of the 10th anniversary of the Revolution. By the time he was able to return to this film, the Party's attitudes had changed and Trotsky had fallen from grace. As a result, the film was hastily re-edited and sent out in 1929 under a new title, The Old and the New. In later years, archivists restored The General Line to an approximation of Eisenstein's original concept. Much of the director's montage-like imagery?such as using simple props to trace the progress from the agrarian customs of the 19th-century to the more mechanized procedures of the 20th?were common to both versions of the film. the story of General Line (since you will probably not see it) is this town is dirt poor. you never seen such poverty. they do all the farming by hand. use oxes & horses to pull plows & the animals are soo skinny. the town decides to put their money together & send an emissary to Moscow & try n get modern equipment. The girl Marfa is chosen & she goes to Moscow & the looks on the faces of the people! She talks to the necessary departments of the Central Comittee & the various sub depts. & finally she succeeds in getting the gear. When the Tractor arrives is a grand moment - a dream come true. Then she catches one of the men stealing money to buy booze. There is nothing objectionable except the depiction of the bishop & the lamb. you can buy the movie here http://www.ihffilm.com/137.html All the Soviets were schooled by Griffith films - especially Intolerence...... they tried to adapt Griffith to Soviets stories - its a fact - they admit it. In this movie Eisenstein chose this girl to be his Lilian Gish. She was not an actress. I just go for this stuff. I used to be a sort of student of russia. I can't tell you how but I was dirt poor as a kid & I relate to it. TCM needs to show all the well known Russian silents. without sound even. just show em. thats what we gots a TCM for. they have shown Earth, End of St. Petersburg & Potemkin ...... not much but its a start.

it says: GENERAL LINE in 6 parts. Each reel would be changed & they would have no 2nd projector. So the audience would wait. In Eisenstein's movies the villain is always the church. Isn't that the truth! Who are the villains here? in Potemkin you had that old priest who made believe he was ko'd whose cross fell & stuck in the wood like a knife. They have to show one movie so the thinking is Potemkin is the least offensive. In General Line there is a drought & it lasts so long the bishop or whatever organizes a procession where god will intervene & bring rain & then the people will truly believe who has the real god. During the procession which is filmed in his usual style a lamb is dying of thirst & is intercut with the bishop & then...........................................no rain...................................... This board has glitches. I will post something & a few sentences won't post! From my last post I said IMDB has a great feature called: alternate versions & then I explained that General Line was finished & Eisenstein was very happy with it but Stalin wanted less art or something but the govt wanted changes & so another version was prepared called: The Old & New & then I said on IMDB the feature of alternate versions says nothing. So all this mystery about General Line will remain a mystery since it is unofficially banned in usa. why did this not post? & it happened on my first post! nothing works in this joint.

I don't hate TCM but I admit they are candy assed. This whole thing about cable tv being able to present things because there are more channels etc. is just so much rubbish. There is always a reason not to show what I like. In the case of October TCM has a very good reason. It has not been passed for exhibition by Hollywood. Every movie on TCM has to be passed on before it can be shown. In the old days tv stations had their own 16mm prints & could show them whenever. Totalitarianism has taken over our tv. No 16mm film can even be shown! except public domain & not even those.... How did this come to pass? Don't bother to answer because whatever the reason it is here & we're stuck with it. Aint it great! All this freedom? We have a gigantic elephant called the krizchun rite. & because of that Hollywood had to control everything. on the other hand we have home video so its not like a total ban is in effect. If you watch something on home video & its not allowed on tv it becomes like porn. That is why I want what I like on TCM. So it don't make me a perv for liking it. October has a "god" sequence in which symbols are intercut in such a way that it is not good for the god bizness. so no movie. simple enuf. there is another movie even worse (or better) in there is no home video even. a complete total ban. Unlike October if you type in GENERAL LINE on IMDB you get the movie. As little as you can get. 3 or 4 people who saw the movie tell you its good. otherwise there is nothing. So you see if there is no home video available, it is not going to be on TCM. I have the movie however it is a bad quality censored bootleg. * On IMDB they have a great feature: alternate versions. after General Line was made something went wrong. this is still shrowded in mystery & since no one can see the movie it will continue the mystery. anyway the russisn govt wanted changes & an alternate version called Old & New was made but it too was not good enuf anyway who nows now that is 70 years ago. on IMDB under alternate versions there is nothing. General Line has a "god" sequence in which religious people try to end a drought by going on procession. it was unsuccessful in a way that is not good for the god bizness. so no movie. simple enuf. TCM has a reponsibility to show all kinds of old movies. & I don't know about you but so far they have let me down. * On IMDB they have a great feature: alternate versions. after General Line was made something went wrong. this is still shrowded in mystery & since no one can see the movie it will continue the mystery. anyway the russisn govt wanted changes & an alternate version called Old & New was made but it too was not good enuf anyway who nows now that is 70 years ago. on IMDB under alternate versions there is nothing here is a title of the movie & some pix

I have not had TCM continuously since it began but I'm convinced they have never shown October. & I have never seen it on any american tv station. Bravo, A&E, AMC, Max Showtime HBO etc. A complete across the board boycott of the movie. But considering TCM has a silent movie night TCM would be the most likely place but it hasn't. Now you can surmise what the reason is but I'll just call it a coincidence. They just never got around to it! On IMDB when you hit title & type October you do not get the movie. Then at the bottom it says: AKA title search for "october" & if you hit that you get the movie. But you see it is not "Also Known As" October. It is October. That is its only title. The IMDB people are being disingenuous. I guess if it prevents people from getting info about the movie then that is their intention. So they had to lie a little...so what? No harm no foul..... Kind of a situation where a movie database becomes ......like Oliver Reed in ZPG when he typed "abortion" & got zapped with electricity!

Double Indemnity is a Paramount picture. Big Clock also, So they don't count. I can never afford these packages. Phantom Lady is a good Universal noir.

this famous movie by eisenstein is now in a new restored version 143 min. which I have not seen yet. I know TCM is too candy assed to show a movie like this because by showing it they can be accused of advocating the overthrow of our govt. (somebody please do so as we can't get any worse) I don't expect any of you will actually post a reply on this so I'll just ramble on to the great unwashed cybermasses. I like the movie. & because I like it I want that to be verified by TCM as proper. it is a russian version of Birth of a Nation. they are entitled to tell their history in their movies. What I like is the complicated editing which is way ahead of its time. they have several sequences which are mind boggling. * another unusual feature is the listings for external reviews. there are very few & the ones that are there don't produce a review. SORRY you don't like the movie IMDB. there are several versions of the movie under the title OCTOBER, so you'd think you could use reviews which can tell you the differences etc. here is a review: Camera Journal October Russia, silent, 164min, (13,000ft - 8,600ft), 1928 Oktiabr/ Ten Days That Shook the World 1917. The Bolsheviks overthrow the Kerensky government. Commissioned to commemorate the tenth anniversary of the Revolution, Eisenstein?s October is a rip-roaring epic on a massive scale. When Bolsheviks are massacred by troops, and a bourgeois woman uses a parasol to mutilate a worker, the populace take to the streets and lay siege to the Winter Palace. In the cabinet room a pompous minister says: ?Let us meet the revolutionaries with dignity? but the ministers no longer set the agenda. Workers break in and surge over and around the cabinet table like the wine now flowing in the palace?s ransacked cellar. When Kerensky approaches the opening doors of the Tsarist apartment, Eisenstein intercuts a shot of the **** feathers of a mechanical peacock. The most celebrated scene, The Raising of the Bridges, is cut to rat-a-tat guns, and takes in the astonishing sight of the hanging and falling of a dead white horse. The film wasn?t well-received in Russia, coinciding with Stalin's purging of Trotsky, and Eisenstein was obliged re-edit it, to remove opposition figures. A further nine-hundred feet were pruned for its 1928 European release as Ten Days That Shook The World. Most of the footage was restored in 1967. d/ed Sergei Eisenstein; sc Sergei Eisenstein, Grigori Alexandrov; ph Edouard Tisse, with Vladimir Nilsen, Vladimir Popov; pd Vasili Kovrigin; m Edmund Meisel V Nikandrov, Vladimir Popov, Boris Livanov, Chibisov, Smelsky, Edouard Tisse, N Podvoisky, The Red Army, The Red Navy, The People of St Petersburg "The most brilliant, vivid, inventive and intellectual of all his films. Made, astonishingly, in three months." Peter John Dyer (Films & Filming, August 1959) "Another curate's egg of lyrical and crude symbolism." Raymond Durgnat (1969) On the horse off the bridge scene: "In England where animal lovers abound, there could possibly be the occassional spectator who will be privately concerned about whether or not a live horse was subjected to cruelty for the sake of a telling image; and with this kind of question uppermost in the mind, Eisenstein's intention would obviously lose weight." Gordon Gow (Films & Filming, Oct 1973) / Before the film?s completion the LA Times reproduced a still from the looting episode as evidence of the ?continuing Bolshevik crimes?. / Restored in 1967 with a music score by Shostakovich. The re-release didn?t reach England until 1970. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have two versions of October. They are both the same version but the translations are very different. as it has the shostakovich music on a soundtrack, they weren't able to extend the translations. the titles are just as complicated as the movie. they have a flow & the english interpreters sometimes lose it by trying to give too much info. I'm curious to see the new version as the ones I have run very fast. on IMDB they list Writer: John Reed. John Reed did not write the movie. The movie was not based on John Reed's book. So how does John Reed's name end up under the writer's listing? Sheer lunacy! John Reed wrote A book about the subject. that is all. I repeat. there is NO connection of John Reed to this movie. NONE. Nada. zilch. here is another review: October -- Sergei Eisenstein's overlooked masterwork ? John Nesbit "We have the right to be proud that to us fell the good fortune of beginning the building of the Soviet State and by doing so, opening a new chapter in the history of the world." Vladimir Lenin Commissioned by the Soviet Central Committee in 1927 to commemorate the ten year anniversary of the October Revolution, October ( also known as Ten Days that Shook the World) is the last significant silent film of legendary director Sergei Eisenstein. The Russian government desired the finest documentary possible, so they assigned their finest director the task of re-creating the Russian Revolution, and gave him immense resources to create his film. Thus, it should come as no surprise that Eisenstein's films conform to the party line. Yet, the great director is still able to find enough artistic license to experiment. "In the light of the resolutions of the Central Committee, all workers in art must ... fully subordinate our creative work to the interests of the education of the Soviet people. From this aim we must not take one step aside nor deviate a single iota. We must master the Lenin-Stalin method of perceiving reality and history ... This is a guarantee that our cinematography will be able to surmount all the ideological and artistic failures...and will again begin to create pictures of high quality, worthy of the Stalinist epoch." Sergei Eisenstein Eisenstein's epic drama comes as close to being an eyewitness documentary account about Lenin and the Socialist Revolution as possible since Nikolai Podvolsky and other leaders of the uprising served as consultants. Filming the events in their actual locations in Petrograd (later to be named Leningrad, Stalingrad, and return to St. Petersburg) give the film added credibility that historians will find especially fascinating-especially notable is the storming of the actual Winter Palace. On the other hand, modern viewers with little interest in the Russian Revolution will think October overdoes its history, as occasionally events feel like they are tediously filmed in real time. Nevertheless, Eisenstein ranks as a leading film grammarian-his editing techniques and use of creative camera angles have been studied and imitated for years. Given free creative reign and a large budget to produce October, Eisenstein pulls out all the cinematic tricks he can muster with his impressionistic style and ability construct incredibly complex large-scale mob scenes. Imagine the technical challenge of staging such scenes in 1927! Filmmakers couldn't rely on CGI to fill in for the thousands of extras involved with these massive scenes. Much like his famous Odessa Steps sequence in Battleship Potemkin, the famous director communicates a sense of the chaos through a montage that combines large scale shots, a slowly rising bridge with dead horse attached, more intimate shots of a woman with hair draped over the bridge, and a fallen corpse. Individually many of these shots would appear to be lifted from a surrealistic Goya painting, but taken as a whole it makes sense and can only be Eisenstein. This bridge montage stands as the highlight of the historic film. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sounds like a perfect candidate for TCM sunday silents. duh [this would not post?!] *THE PROBLEM is I could not find the movie on IMDB! they have chose to NOT list it. I know it sounds odd but if you type in OCTOBER you get alot of stuff but not the eisenstein movie. They decided to list the movie under a spelling that is no known language..here it is OCTYABR...so you must look up eisenstein & then scroll down to the listing & punch it there. seems a very silly thing to do for a database. I suggest you all try & find this movie the usual way. maybe I'm wrong. *this was supposed to appear where the star is.

I love this movie & everything about the movie works great. all the performances are perfect & the direction is as good as it gets. just that there is a bit that is lacking logic. If you have the movie take a look at it. The framing story is in a courtroom & 7 defendants are on trial for murder or accessory to murder. jinks, cobbit & cherokee get called as witnesses & get up & testify! don't they know they don't have to testify against themselves? this part troubles me. & they have no legal representation. it is the state's case to prove them guilty. & cherokee is a lawyer! it is easy to overlook this & just groove with the movie & maybe thats the best recipe. what do you think?