Big_Bopper
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As I said I read it somewheres the alt version was more queer...thats why I started the thread. supposedly wb wanted the gay stuff toned down. wanted a list of cuts.
but what about the loophole......
if the cop saw the luggage he would know guy was nearby. & he was a murder suspect. the cop could/should have ordered an arrest/stop on sight based on the luggage. or gone looking for guy...
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the story is difficult to describe. its a unique powell-pressburger pic like all of them.
she marries cyril cusack
but it just don't work out
here is somethin bout it I found on a page
THE WILD HEART
(aka Gone To Earth)
Color, 82 min.
Released: May 29, 1952 (RKO)
Cast: Jennifer Jones (as Hazel Woodus), David Farrar, Cyril Cusack, Sybil Thorndike, Edward Chapman, Esmond Knight.
Director: Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger
Producer: Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger
Complete Credits at IMDB
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David Farrar and Jennifer Jones
An English gypsy girl whose life is governed by superstition and magic is urged by her father to marry. She promises him that she will marry the first man who asks her even though her deepest affection is for her pet fox. Hazel is pursued by two men, the local pastor and an English squire. When the parson proposes marriage, she accepts and they marry but conflicts arise when the squire continues his pursuit of Hazel.
The Wild Heart is a film unlike anything Jennifer Jones ever did. It was based on the novel by Mary Webb and came to Selznick's attention on a visit to England. Selznick had recently inked a deal with Sir Alexander Korda to make several films in England and Gone To Earth (the original title) was to be one of these. It was to be directed by the prestigious team of Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger whose recent films The Red Shoes and Black Narcissus were universally praised.
Jennifer worked hard at the role of Hazel Woodus, especially at perfecting a Shropshire accent. It was filmed on location in the Shropshire countryside which resulted in some beautiful scenery. Unfortunately when the film was released in England that year it flopped at the box office. Selznick was so dissatisfied with the film that he decided to redo it in Hollywood. He hired director Rouben Mamoulain to direct new scenes while he cut scenes from the original. After the hatchet job, the new film, now called The Wild Heart ran only 82 minutes as compared to the 110 minute original. It was not released in the United States until 1952 (two years following it's release in England) and it too failed at the box office.
Today, The Wild Heart is being reassessed. The original Powell/Pressburger version was recently released in art theaters in the United States to great success. It is one of Jennifer Jones most provocative performances. Her accent(although criticized at the time) is very effective and the wild innocence of Hazel is the type of role she excelled in. It has been said that the power of her performance is lost in the cut version. (no $h!t sherlock)
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I was planning to write something about "gone to earth" but I was distracted by something & was unable to continue. I own a copy of the movie. for those of you who are unfamiliar, Gone To Earth was destroyed by selznick & edited into a mess called "the wild heart". then I heard the movie was put back together & I saw it in a film archive. it was a workprint which had crummy technicolor. they were trying to get better footage, then by luck I got a bootleg copy. TCM is refusing to show it. selznick was completely insane - its a fact.
cost me $20 back in the 80s. tcm is refusing to show alot of important movies. as time goes by I hope to talk about some of them.
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I was unable to see the you tube thing. But thanks anyway cuz it helps understand the 2 versions. I joke alot about everything. I only used that gay marriage gimmick bcuz it was the first day after the supreme court ruling.
Actually the meeting between Guy & Bruno was not accidental. Bruno was obviously stalking Guy - knew everything about him for years. musta hadda crush on him......I think that I read the two versions- the so-called British version was actually the preview version. Then they decided on changes & some cuts were awkward. I like the alternate version better. It runs smoother. In the thing I read it actually said it was "gayer" ......that must be where I got the idea.
written by raymond chandler! can't forget that.
loophole............when Guy returns home he begins to enter his apartment & Bruno calls him.
He put his luggage down inside the door...
...While he is over talking to Bruno the police go in his house & ring his bell...The cop would surely have noticed the luggage & this would have been suspicious....but the cop inexplicably missed it!..........loophole
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Just wanna notify yous I was only kidding about the gay theme. The movie is normal & its a great movie. I was unaware there were two versions until last week. I had recorded it off amc in the 90's & never watched it. So I recorded it again last night. Turns out the one on amc was the alternate version. That was lucky huh? The way you can tell right away is the credits. On the official version under Farley Granger's name it says: "Mr. Granger appears by arrangement with Samuel Goldwyn"
On the alternate version it just lists his name. there are lots of bits of footage that were cut in the official version. nothing important. the ending is different. the official version has Ruth Roman & Farley on a train & a priest asks him if he is Guy Haines. This scene is not in the alternate version.
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It is not well known but Cavalcanti also directed the Christmas Party sequence in Dead of Night
this is a scary poster!
nice pic
here is a staircase which truly represents a twisted sexuality
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I like capricorn one. its dumb in a good way & considering its true then you know why tcm waited so long to show it. I know, don't tell me, let me guess... their schedule was so busy they couldn't fit it in!
I often think tcm is on borrowed time...waiting for the army to tell wb to end it. if the army told wb to end tcm would they?
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I, Gavin Newsome, by the power vested in me by the supreme court ...
pronounce you... husband & husband....
Stranglers on a Train
off the beaten track & then some....... nice color
bruno's creepin around out there somewhere................................there he is!
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I have not seen it but I heard it was the preview version, It was thought to be too queer so some of the stuff was cut. if any of you live in nor. cal. they are showing it on ch. 9 - saturday nite - 8 pm. .......saw a preview & it might be the queer version......
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For them that might be looking to score a copy of For Them That Trespass, it is available look around.....try Big Reel ads.....
anyway I gave my from memory synopsis & I was wrong so I just want to clarify that.... I said the girl was married. She was betrothed to a guy named Jim who was a railroad employee. the story is about an upper class playwrite who submitted a play & was told he needed to have more "life experience" so he decided to slum. In the bar he sees Todd & the girl chatting. Todd stashes his robbery money in her hole in the wall. When Todd goes to Glascow on a robbery she flirts with the playwrite who follows her home. He gives her a poem which she places in the hole in the wall. When Todd gets out of jail he goes to recover money he had stashed & finds the poem.
other than that the movie is as I said - just wanna clear that up.
in the credits it says: "Introducing Richard Todd" which means its his first big role. screenplay by J. Lee Thompson.
One other thing. What makes a movie great is its believability factor. & that depends on the world the director creates that the actors inhabit. That is what makes Cavalcanti special. He gives you this world believably. it makes everything else even far fetched stuff come off.
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may I rent you out as an encyclopedia? (kidding)
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according to movies unlimited the classic period ended in 1962. this uh different drummer might just be a chimpanzee bangin on some bongos for all you know.
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dear tcm...... if you been reading my threads you know i'm wise to your scheme. you
refuse to show Michael Winner
refuse to show Cavalcanti
refuse to show Soviet silents
your outta yer fkin minds!
you got no bizness bein in the old movie bizness!
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I have yet to see "Went the Day Well" so it is not my place to judge it but the ones I listed are of such a high level of artistry that very few directors come close to. For instance Nicholas Nickleby is a long story & just to compress it enough to a normal film length 108 min. is an achievement. Plus the movie is perfect as you can get! TCM sells it on movies unlimited along with dead of night here
http://turnerclassic.moviesunlimited.com/results_actor.asp?search=SallyAnnHowes
They Made Me a Fugitive has been shown on Encore Mystery so its available.........
For Them That Trespass is a very good film noir movie. there is nothing about it on IMDB so I will tell you a little from memory.
Richard Todd is a thief & there is a girl in a bar he likes. She's married but cheats. In the town is a poet who meets the girl when Todd was away on a robbery. When the poet was with the girl in her house, her husband showed up unexpectedly. Poet got away but left a poem he wrote in a hole in the wall. but the husband kills her. Then Todd shows up & is convicted of the murder. He serves 10 years in jail & when he gets out he sees a play written by the poet which tells the exact story of the murder. Todd found the poem in the hole in the wall cuz he used it to stash his stolen goods. So Todd knows the poet was involved... he visits him & the poet denies everything - the poet got rich off the play & offers Todd some money as charity. Todd wants to clear his name....... Todd ends up dealing with the husband. The husband is curious if Todd suspects him & so he befriends Todd. As Todd gets closer to the truth the husband decides to kill him to shut him up. Todd catches the plot before the husband can ko him with a wrench.....they wrestle & the husband is killed by a train....... all this is filmed so beautifully you think it is real life. a perfect movie. far fetched but all stories are a little. This was the first movie Todd became noticed & was a star soon after. it was made for ABPC associated british pictures corporation.
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those of you who saw my Michael Winner thread will be familiar with this theme. TCM just doesn't dig my wavelength daddyo....they refuse to show Michael Winner & now this great master Cavalcanti. I want TCM to groove on what I like - to represent me to approve of my choices. They have what I'd call a lame agenda.
the best of cavalcanti - the dummy sequence in Dead of Night 1945 for ealing & then Nicholas Nickleby in 1947 & They Made Me a Fugitive 1947 & For Them That Trespass 1949
either a person is great or they aren't & Cavalcanti is undeniably great. Michael Balcon gave him his chance at Ealing & he delivered. I have these movies but not from TCM. TCM could not be bothered showing great stuff. it is too busy giving you the Terminator!
Nicholas Nickleby came between the other two Dickens classics Great Expectations 1946 & Oliver Twist 1948
Michael Balcon had a feud with Mayer of mgm & had to suffer humiliation. the problem was Balcon knew about films & Mayer didn't know squat. this maybe why TCM don't show Cavalcanti. you tell me........
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what I meant to say is the studios give the scripts to the universitys. but they are not for the general public. only for people who are students there or those who have an official reason to use the script. when I got the script for "3 into 2 won't go", I caught them off guard. the chief librarian is a gatekeeper. anyway when he saw what script I had (boing!) & saw I had no credentials (BOING!) he shut me down.
about the movie... maybe you'll see it in your lifetime. possibly not. the movie is very cynical & nasty. just like real life. & universal wanted more candy coating. the characters talk to one another like arguing & not caring what the other person says. just the way people do in real life!
& the characters a drawn from real life people
rod steiger - frank
claire bloom - ava
judy geeson - mia
imagine these people in the same room arguing. people would pay to see it.
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This is a true story. Remember I was telling you that Oliver Reed in Z.P.G. typed into a database......? but I made a mistake. he didn't type "abortion"..... he typed "premature birth" ... & got zapped by electricity & while frozen unable to move was interrogated right in the chair! Now couldn't our army use that gizmo. So I made a mistake & I'm telling you I was wrong. I know... you people let me off the hook.
on to the true story...when I lived in L.A. I was into movies & checking around I found out scripts were given to university libraries. so I looked for the script to a movie that always interested me
"3 into 2 won't go" 1969
for a reason no one knows, universal destroyed this movie & it has never been seen since 1969.
that remains the case to this day. anyway back in the 70's I found the script in USC library so I was not allowed to borrow it but they let me have it to study there. I started writing the cut scenes & was at it awhile when a man comes up & says "no copying the script"... I said "I'm not copying the script...I'm making notes." "Is making notes allowed?" he says "you're writing too much..."
See when they heard what script I had checked out, the guy was told to stop me .....anyway I had written mostly all I wanted by then. duh duh duh dats hollyweird!
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Its not funny. Hollywood think these movies are so precious they can't show them! once every ten years is ridiculous & its not in proper format etc. I got news for you they are not precious. Hollywood better be careful or they will find out nobody cares. Taxi Driver is not precious. I lived in L.A. 5 years. I did everything you can do. I attended screenings at the major studios, Academy of Motion Pix etc. They are insane. Using time compression is a fkin crime. Hollywood is completely sold out to the army. they make more army propaganda & doomsday scenarios than any other genre. They peddle this swill around the world. Hollywood has lost all respect for itself. Here is hollywood lunacy: They make a new print & 1. time compress it, 2. fake letterbox which means cropping the top & bottom to make it look widescreen
these wackos have no integrity left. Why do all this trashing? It's an insult to art! Stupid fcuks.
Every artist with any talent was blacklisted! how stupid is that? Who are you blacklisting for? the army? look at this new atrocity.....digital phony effects. It looks so damn phony. more & more stupidity. there's no end & no limit to the rubbish hollywood can create.
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Do you think TCM programmers read my threads? They have a real aversion to Soviet movies. Wonder why that is? You know these Soviet pix were picked up dirt cheap by Blackhawk & Corinthe & now are much more highly valued & appreciated.
How do you rate my photo montage? Is it art or propaganda?
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yes you are right in the sense that very early one reelers but my whole point of view is a rebuttle to the article I posted claiming Metropolis is the first. We are talking about feature length movies. the woman clearly states" Metropolis - The First Science Fiction Movie"....as the title of her article........ that is all I'm saying ....... "she is wrong".
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this is the reason I started the thread. propaganda metropolis is way better than aelita. & I like it better. but aelita was first. that is just a fack, jack.
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I just saw a metropolis page where it was said metropolis was the first but its wrong. This is the first
I don't know if TCM ever showed this. I don't think so. It was on scifi channel once. its a good movie. The costumes look Mayan or Aztec. Check it out!
Fritz Lang must have seen it. From 1924
that is a musical instrument
the workers are in revolt...
& she does not approve..............................................................love the one you're with...
heres a poster ..................................................................reminds me of a girl I know
I think she's got 3 hooters or bumpy bits or whatever........A........B........or ........C? Thats nikolai batalov - star of mother
ready for your closeup?.................this flag was found on mars!
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I would like to tell you about my version of the movie which is the only version I've seen. I bought it in the 80's from Glenn Photo Supply. It is 73 min. long. I'm sure it originates from England as it has a censor seal from there. the titles look hand made or home made. But they are completely properly placed. so the movie is coherent.
It has all the good things you expect from an Eisenstein movie. The editing is his style no doubt.
But on this subject he was not a good fit. He overused the montage gimmick so much that it just wears you down. For instance, every scene has 50-60 cuts just to establish the simplest idea!
& then the problem Eisenstein was unable to master was the tone. He was still experimenting & tried humor & it was a mess.
He got in trouble by depicting the Communist Central Committee as lazy layabout types just passing paper around to look like they are working.
What happens is the girl has no horse. & the farming requires it so she goes begging to a rich family nearby & a fat slob who wakes up drunk & drinks more beer & goes back to sleep. So no horse... plus she sees their son riding a horse for fun.
So the girl gets the old cow out & tries to plow the ground but the cow quits from exhaustion.
Then the sequence where the religious procession tries to bring rain.
The girl starts agitating about collective farming & a bolshevik leader assigned to the region educates the peasants,,,,all these scenes loaded with rapid editing montage. The Bolshevik unveils the cream separator machine. The peasants are skeptical but the machine delivers & so a vote is taken & a collective farm is established,
The girl needs a bull to rebuild the herd. She gets one from another collective farm. He is Tommy. Eisenstein then stages a gigantic sequence of a marriage...... of Tommy & .......a cow....some of this was cut. sex between the two animals.
Then she catches the members stealing money for booze. She confronts them & is bullied but the bolshevik arrives & gets all the money back.
It is decided for the girl to visit Moscow to get the tractor. she must take a train. while she's away the neighbors want to stop collectivization so they poison Tommy. When she gets back & finds him dead she cries.... but hearing her a young calf comes over & consoles her. Tommy created enough offspring the herd is fine.
The tractor arrives & has engine trouble. The peasants are skeptical. The driver decides to show the true power of a tractor. After he fixes the engine, they attach all the wagons together & the tractor pulls all of them in a procession all around for everyone to see. Then the driver & the girl fall in love & the movie ends happily.
this 73 min. seems like 2 hours with all the montages. really overdid it. but nobody did the montage gimmick better so....... it just didn't fit too well with the subject.
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yes it was on. I was wrong. I have no problem admitting I was wrong. But actually I was not wrong! Hows at? TCM refused to show the movie. its true. I have something to say & I hope I dont hurt nobodys feelings. tcm showed the pic when the dead guys widow got up & begged for it! Then they showed it. Now I know you have read on this board the babblings of ms. lzenclyclopedia ...... saying all this about rights & contracts..... its bull$h!t....... WB warner bros.
can get any movie ever made anywhere on the planet if they want it.
look at this situation: Hollywood destroys movies, not for any good reason but out of jealousy & other bad reasons like it. just to power trip that they can destroy anything they dont like. So 50 years goes by & people find out & say "Lets see that movie" the one hollywood jerks destroyed. So now tcm does what? ............ nothing........... so then people start to realize that by showing the pic tcm will reveal for the first time what a great pic hollywood jerks destroyed & now tcm is getting nervous & they need to above all protect hollywoods reputation & ......so they just ignore it......... so then it reaches the point where they have to finally show it. how can they do it in such a way that tcm is not associated with it? By getting the dead guys widow to beg for it takes them off the hook. gone to earth has been around since the 80's - I know cuz I seen it when it was first shown. tcm showed no interest in it.....its a fact. same thing with "age of consent" jerks destroyed it for no good reason & tcm showed it when the widow begged for it...sad but true.