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you've never seen ATGIB?? I am pretty sure I never have... It seems to me there was a made for tv version that I MIGHT have seen... like a gazillion years ago.. ok... it was the 70's... but I really don't have any memory of it.... I am going to look for it this week when I go to the library. I am sure they will have a vhs copy or they can get one in for me... But if not... Maybe they will get it on DVD when it comes out and I can check it out then..

And Elwood likely invited him out for one... at that little place.. I can't recall the name of it now.. but he always invited everybody he met to join him there. :-)

Hiya Kiddo!! Miss G is right... you DO have quite the eclectic list... I like how you have some 'lesser knowns" in with some big names too. I thought of two more I should have mentioned on my fave list... The Sound of Music and The King and I... oh wait... and My Fair Lady... I guess that's THREE more... Ha. I have to confess though... I have a lot more limited repertoire than you do.. I tend to lean a little on the "big" movies for favorites.... But some of the ones on your list I have always liked too.... (Especially the "Judy's"... In the Good Old Summertime... and Easter Parade... and I think April mentioned The Harvey Girls... I''ve only seen that once, but I really liked it) which Music Man do you like best? Well, I have only seen the one with Shirley Jones... but I probably would STILL prefer that one even if I did see the other... there are just SO many fun performances... and I am a "stick in the mud" when it comes to my favorites... I don't like trying to picture anyone else in a role once I set my heart on it... How well does Kristen do as Marian? The Unsinkable Molly Brown I was a young kid the first time I saw this film... and my Mom and I watched it together... we laughed and cried and laughed... It is a terrific movie. And it was a long time after that before I ever knew that Molly Brown was a real person. (I am sure the musical is VERY loosely based on her life story though) So everytime I see any version of the Titanic story w/ Molly Brown as one of the characters, I am looking around wondering, "Hey, Where's Debbie?" Which song from west Side Story do you like best? my favorite is "America". whats yours? ot which dance scene? I think for "dancing" I like America the best. As for songs... I have to go w/ "I Feel Pretty"... mainly because it is so fun to make fun of while I sing along... (As in...you know... I use a real "prissy voice" while I am singing and flourish and twirl around... I have rubbed off on the kiddling too... we go around the house every so often having occasional "I feel pretty" song fests. Ha.) :-) PS... Did you stay up late and watch OKLAHOMA last night?? I haven't seen that in years.. and tough break for me... I did not realize it was on until it was already well into the story. So I more or less missed most of it. But did watch it for just a little while and then had to give up because it was VERY late and I was VERY bleary eyed by that point... Maybe I will catch it again some other time.. I still need to hire a private secretary to keep up w/ all these movies I want to watch or tape... I am AWFUL about checking the listings. I guess I am just old and set in my ways... Ha. :-)

Something about that crooked rabbit ear gets me every time. It's almost like a "wink" or a "wave", isn't it?

Wow Barb... I have never seen A Tree Grows In Brooklyn... but reading past posts got me interested.. And reading your post now has made up my mind... it is definitely a "wanna see" now for me. VERY thoughtful and well written ramble little lady. PS... Never having seen "Francie" in action, I will have take your word on how she and Roddy are alike in character... but just going on looks alone, they could be twins for sure!

Jack.... Very interesting clip on Emlyn Williams... I never had a name for the face... The first time I ever even heard the name was the other day when I was reading the opening credits for NMF... He was a very talented gentleman to be sure. (PS... it WAS an unexpected song choice in that youtube clip... but it worked for me!)

But I always imagined Harvey as a much less conventional "Easter" bunny type Now I would have pictured that too... if it were not for the painting. Because I have always imagined that it looks that way because this is how Elwood described Harvey to the artist... (yet another reason he would be so fond of it.. "It looks just like him") How would you like to have been the guy who painted that thing??? Can't you just picture old Elwood standing next to him and saying something like... "Now... now... his ears... His ears are not quite right. The.. the left one is just a little fuller, you see... like that. Yes.. that's right." (Pardon the poor Jimmy Stewart impression) :-)

oooh, that's more like Scottish. Yikes...) ha!!

I wonder what his childhood was like Hiya Jack... I took him at his word on this one... at one point when he is being "open" with Roz he says he had no memory of his mom and he never knew his dad... and I think he said he grew up by the docks... I picture him as a scrapper and a "get by on the seat of your pants" sort of kid... He learned he was the ONLY one he could count on because he WAS the only one he HAD to count on... And it's possible that is where he learned to be such a good "watcher"... he had to watch for EVERY opportunity he could just to survive... I don't know... I could be off. But that is just my take...

I'm going by memory now, "Sure and a fine memory it tis now too." Ha! That's about as good an accent as I can do on or off the computer! :-) But I liked your explanation about his accent... Welsh or Irish... I'm not sure (mainly because I have NO idea what the differences would be entirely). The only examples I can borrow from are How Green Was My Valley and The Quiet Man for my comparisons... not sure that would be the best way to do it... Ha! :-) Whatever accent he was speaking with.. I agree w/ Jackie.. He had it down pat... And it was DEFINITELY a huge part of his charm... so folksy and fun. Very "lilting"... especially when he was working on Old Mrs. B.. He always knew just what to say to have her eating right out of his hand... I recall I was very impressed with Russell's performance; she's restive and yearning and doesn't know what it is she's looking for, but she has a psychological need to explore the dark side and HER dark side, before finally coming back into the light Well said. Mighty fine "mini' ramble there, young'un (that is a much easier accent for ME to have down pat! HA!) :-)

Hey, Quiet Gal -- Are you lost What??? Isn't this the mushy love story forum?? HA!! You don't want to be lost in this world Haven't you heard?? I have been lurking on the dark side this week... with sinister films like... HARVEY... In truth.. I have used the word "CREEPY" about 942 times today just talking about Night Must Fall... so "dark" is me... this week anyway.. Actually... I do look in here from time to time for a good read... you folks have a lot going on w/ the whole "NOIR" side of life over here. I only made my comment the other day just because I like Shadow of a Doubt so much... and to give you guys a "thumbs up"... I think Old Uncle Charlie is a VERY nicely played MONSTER... very scary and so quietly menacing... In fact.. it's my favorite for both Joseph Cotten.. and Teresa Wright.. This is the film I think of first for both of them... nice Screencaps!! And then... you had to go and post THAT creepy (943) shot there... NOW I will have ONE MORE serial killer on my mind. Between old Joe/Uncle Charlie... and Robert Montgomery/Danny boy (in the Ramble's thread) I may never go to sleep again... PS.. Re: Ann Sheridan... I am NO authority because I have only seen her in a few films...but I got to see King's Row the other night... She was TERRIFIC... flirty, fun, and VERY gutsy... yet.. compassionate... It's an interesting twisted tale in some respects so it might be right up your alley... And there is a doctor who is WAY on the CREEPY side.. (944... I think I am going for a record here..) :-) Ok.. sorry to interupt... back to NOIR LAND folks...

Hi Little Miss Butterscotchie! I have always been a sucker for a fun musical... I really love the old Doris Day and Judy Garland films... If I listed my all time faves... my top two would have to be: The Wizard of Oz Meet Me in St. Louis And probably in that order... Also on the list.. but not nessarily in order... On Moonlight Bay Oklahoma Carousel The Unsinkable Molly Brown Calamity Jane The Music Man Singin' In the Rain South Pacific Guys and Dolls Seven Brides For Seven Brothers Fiddler on the Roof West Side Story Ok... I am probably going over the suggested "10" I think that Miss G mentioned.... ha... Did I mention I like musicals??? :-) PS...Here... I brought along some tea and cakes for your tea party... maybe that will help make up for my "wordiness" Ha.

:-) And PS... what more do you have to add to the old DannyBob ramble, Miss Maven, if you please????

You are too cute... It's never any fun when the monster is so good looking and endearing... It WOULD have helped if he had been ugly or was "mean" or nasty... He was as charming as the day is long.. and that was the key to his success. Aren't murderers of that sort typically depicted as loners, unable to get along or as being very shy or withdrawn? He's the life of the party! I don't know... I don't think antisocial behavior is always a common thread for psychos... It can be... but if I recall from all my crime show junkie tv programs... Ted Bundy was a VERY charismatic and likeable guy... and that unfortunatley was also a key to his sucess for a long time too. A lot of monsters hide behind charm and a winning smile to deceive and to carry out some of the most wicked and awful crimes... It wouldn't be the first time... (Now what did I do with that Baseball bat??) ..

Compared to NMF? Very low. It's even comical in spots. And Jonesy will protect you! Whewww... I may be able to handle it then.. I could use a smile in the midst of all the death and mayhem... but no, he's not as creepy as Bobby. Nor as cute. Creepy and Cute... two words that defy all the laws of nature by having to be used in the same sentence in description of the same person. And yet.. both SPOT ON in the case of our sweet DannyBob for sure. :-)

if he let her know he knew - but wasn't going to tell..... just like the scene with Olivia and the price tag on the shawl.... it would be "their little secret"..... ewww. I'm starting to creep MYSELF out! We should BOTH go to Hollywood. Ha. And PS.. I am on SERIOUS creep out overload now.. After all this chat... and after watching this thing last night and the ending again this afternoon... I told the QT all about it how good a film it was... and then... we watched it again this evening!!! The kidling came in from playing in her room just as one of us said something about "the head" and she said "What head?" and I said... "A head of lettuce is in that box"... and she looked at me like I had TWO heads and said in this dry little voice... "You're funny mom". HA! After all this CREEPINESS I am going to go make a huge pot of coffee and find myself a baseball bat... I have a feeling every little leaf rustling in the wind is going to get my ear tonight!! April... If you stay up to watch this tonight... I'll be here for moral support! Ha! (PSS.. I may NEVER be able to watch London at Night now. Ladies... what's the creep factor on that one compared to Night Must Fall??????????)

comments in MOVIE RAMBLES I was only following you and Jackie... but thanks for the kind words. PS... your check is in the mail... :-)

I only think he would kill for one of two reasons... to get back at someone he felt "owed him" something... OR... to keep from being found out. And the cook did at least imply early on that the old gal wasn't really an invalid... I still say it would have been a "fun" twist for him to have caught her stretching or dancing a jig or something earlier on in the film... He could have even made it a game and set her up by placing her chair a little further out from the bed or something... just to see what happened... when he came back in a room later.. Ok.. now I"M starting to sound "coniving" ha. You are right though... we do all have our own little "things". I imagine he was just extremely clever about finding the advantage in any situation and playing it for all it was worth.

I wanted to bring up Mrs. Bramson's wheelchair for a moment. Do you think that they had her get up and walk so we would not feel as bad when she got killed? I mean, to show that Danny is sort of "right" when he talks about how two faced his victims are? It would be too awful for us to watch him murder a woman who was absolutely unable to get away.....and it also shows how lulled she was by him.... she basically let him kill her......and we sit and watch as he does it, fascinated I think it may have been a part of the equation... I do think there is less sympathy for her plight in knowing how REALLY awful she was before she gets knocked off. (Sort of a deeper glimpse into ALL the ugly that was Mrs. But I think... even if she had truly been disabled... she displayed enough ugly for at least my satisfaction that she was not as "pitiful' a vicitm as she might have seemed. She seemed to DESERVE what she got... though I never really think anyone deserves to be MURDERED. Still... I don't mind seeing 'nasty folks" get their comeuppance. I wonder... do you think he KNEW about her all along??? Even if he doesn't catch her walking around... do you think he knew she was faking? He seemed to know everything about her... But still.... I am not sure. He did not acknowledge either way if he wondered how she was on the couch... or even noticed or not that she'd gotten "from the chair to there". And HE put the chocolates on the mantle... be he never acknowledges that they somehow made it to the table.... I wonder if he knew... OR if he was so intent on doing her in... he just either didn't notice or didn't care.

I find it hard to reconcile this Robert Montgomery with the one who played Brick in TWE.....it's like he was a completely different person. I know, I know. It's called ACTING Ha. Miss Favell, you are so right... it is like they are polar opposites... Danny is only interested in what he wants for himself.. and of course Brick is after the common good in almost every moment we see him on screen. It is really interesting getting to see NMF from a modern perspective... We get to see movies and even news reports about all the "clever young" psychos who are out there being made "famous" by the inner workings of their twisted and dangerous minds almost as a regular thing in the society we live in now... But I imagine in the day and age this film was made... it was WAY more shocking to see someone so cleverly insane and evil. YET... even as jaded as we (or at least I) sometimes may feel about the latest homicidal nutjob movie... THIS one is far superior to many if not most of the modern day films I have seen or heard of. He really does draw you in a bit along with all the other "victims" he has in his site... (but Jackie.. I don't think I felt as Mom-ish toward him as you did.. Ha) At one point he tells Roz something about how he is a "watcher". I think he really knew how to look for weakness and make it work for him. At the very least he knew how to give the people what they wanted... and I bet what he says at the end about putting on a show during his trial was no exaggeration. Wouldn't you like to have been in that courtroom? Now THAT could be a whole other movie in itself.

but did she come back for the reason SHE said.. or the reason HE said... Ok... Went back and looked at the ending again... and creeped myself out all over again!! SHE DID come back for the reason he said.. and he tells her... "you don't know me"... and she admits... "I am seeing you now for the first time"... (going back to what I was saying about the whole translucent/transparent thing...) Oh me... I may have to leave the hall light on tonight at bedtime! The QT sleeps like a rock.. He'd never wake up in time if Danny boy showed up with his hatbox!!! :-)

MY FAN TESTIMONIAL May I just say.... wow. And perhaps.. "MY GOSH! MY GOLLY!!!! WOW!!" This whole thing just keeps getting better and better... Again.. picture me... "envy green" all over. :-)

I've botched up a perfectly good conversation Maybe sometime, somewhere... but not here now, young'un. :-) (And PS.... FINALLY... a movie you've seen that I have too. Ha) Dame May Whitty...not her usual ditsy self a la "Gaslight." She was a cold imperious old lady. She excellently played the scene when she was left alone in the house. I totally put aside my editing and was glued to the screen. How could this be, I've never wanted to see this movie. I freaked when she got out of the chair. Really?? See I remember watching this thing the first time... and I kept HOPING she would get out of that chair... I remembered the passing comment from the cook about her..."If SHE"S an invalid..something something blah blah blah" (I can't remember the end part of her comment) and all I could do from that moment on was sit and wonder and wait to see if she really was able to get up and just used that chair and her "palpitations" for manipulative purposes and to "get sympathy"... or maybe better... to "give guilt" to anyone who might think of leaving her or consider holding her accountable for any rude or outlandish thing she might say. Whe she stood up to go get her chocolates... I wanted to say... AH HAH!! Got you know you old buzzard". Ha. In fact... I kept waiting for him to try and bait her by doing something like putting the chocolates out of reach and then sitting back and watching to see if she would take the bait. THAT would have been a fun twist in the story... but I digress. Abnormal Psychology THAT could be a "subtitle" for this film... It is a VERY interesting study. I like how you really seem to get an insight everybody's "true self"... in little way sometimes... but in loud screaming ways as well. When Roz is standing by the window and tells the detective about her thoughts on what might be out in the woods... you get your first glimpse of the "real" her. And at first it wasn't as creepy (I am starting to love that word) to me as it probably should have been. I have often heard news stories about bodies that have been found for some time after they went missing and I get "poetic thoughts" about how the world around that scene bore silent witness to the crime as everyone else went about their daily lives... (but before you move one seat over to get further away from me.. I never went so far as picturing a bird resting on anybody's body's high heeled shoe. Ha) Still, her very thorough description of the thoughts that were passing through her mind were a really good glimpse to the fact that she was possibly looking for some sort of excitement (as Miss G said) And your comments about "Danny-boy" Montgomery and the cat are great. He told Roz that he could more or less have that old lady eating out of his hand and then he proceeded to show her. And it was only a matter of seconds until he knew what bait to use... and then the old girl was had... "hook, line, and sinker". And then so was Roz in a way. (but not the SAME way.) And for a while, I think he liked that she saw through him... but not in a transparent way... He never really was "transparent" for her until the very end... maybe he was more "translucent". But it was enough of a glimpse for her to be able to see him for what he was and he liked the "private show" that he put on for her the whole time he was playing for the old woman and all the others too. (When she catches the price tag on the shawl... and then lets him "off the hook"... he realizes for sure that he has her on a bit of a hook now instead) Miss Goddess wrote: I thought the scene in the kitchen was one of the best. He was so smart, he could read her like a book. The interesting thing is it really took Danny to show Rosalind her true self. She is rather a superior prig and prideful at first. He makes her confront the fact that she has somewhat baser desires like anyone else. And it really sticks in her craw! That's exactly it... that was the attraction for her but it was also the "confusion" in her life as well... "WHY am I acting this way?? Is this really ME?" It took her getting to that "hat box moment' I think for her to really see how far she'd let herself go in this fantasy game... (Just the thought of her carrying that box in her hand across the room and putting it in her own room... No wonder Montgomery fainted... I almost did too) But I think that this is what it took for her to really take stock and see... Ok.. not just a fantasy anymore. Time to get out. And yet... I am really wondering about her reason for leaving and coming back that night. I really do think she left because she just couldn't take it anymore.. she just could not stand herself being so caught up in the whole thing... but did she come back for the reason SHE said.. or the reason HE said... I just don't know. It was so late last night, and I was so tired by that time (and it's been so long since I saw it the first time), I may have missed some of what was being said... I need to watch the ending again to be sure. But can I take being CREEPED out again??????? And so soon after all the creepiness of watching it last night?? I still need to watch London at Night... I don't know if my system can handle that much Creep in one week. Maybe I will just have to wonder about it and watch again later. PS: Miss Goddess wrote: After all, she already had an admirer, someone nice and steady so her life wasn't that awful, though she seemed to chafe under it. I know the old lady was a terrible drain to work for---I wonder if secretly Rosalind longed for her to be the next victim, lol! April.. you are making a joke... and yet... I think maybe secretly... she might have wished for it. But maybe in more of a "I didn't really mean it" sort of way... I think she was needing to break out of the "mold' she was in... but I don' t really think she had any evil intentions. I think she was just willing to let herself be seduced by that "dark side" of things for a while. She needed to feel the excitement. But she DID have issues with that old bird... so maybe... And everytime the dashing lawyer kept saying "come with me... I want to take you away from all of this" I kept yelling at the tv.. "SAY YES you idgit!" But... I guess she had a few things to work out first. :-)

HAT BOX....... eeeeeewwwwwwww! My gosh, my golly that aint the half of it! :-) I stayed up way too late watching this movie tonight... (and NOW I am still up way too late... I am sure I will be paying for all of this tomorrow. Blech!) I really enjoyed Night Must Fall... I LOVED the way this film looks... It is eerie and beautiful all at the same time. But I have to confess, that after only the first 2 seconds of the film, I realized that I had already seen it. (but it was several years ago, and I never knew what it was called) And then after I realized I already knew what it was about... I was creeped out even more because I knew what was coming. But I still had to watch it all again though.... I didn't want to waste a good "creepout". Ha. :-) That Robert Montgomery was SOMETHING!! And the old woman... UGH!! She was something ELSE! It would have been a creepy story just between her and poor Rosalind Russell....and the little "mind games". And Roz had her own little issues too, didn't she???????? :-) I really enjoyed all the little twists and turns in this story, and the way he is so obvious to Roz, but still so cunning and deceptive to everyone else. And he eventually more or less gives up all pretense with her... just to the brink of being flat out blatant. And she was almost drawn into it all enough to "embrace" his evil.... almost. He was like "staring into a fire" for her, almost. She knew he was "dangerous" but as much as she seemed to detest him, she was still very fascinated by him... And yet... I don't think she realized she was really playing with fire... until... It was a very interesting relationship. (PS... hope the tile is TERRIFIC. I am SO jealous) PSS.... HI Larry... thanks again for bringing up John Loves Mary... Jack Carson was hilarious... but they ALL were... The only one I thought could have maybe been better was Lily... but I don't think she took anything away from the film at all since she is funny enough just the way she fits in the story so well LONG before she ever really shows up. :-) Thanks for the tip on Louisa. I will keep a look out for that one as well...

Hiya Molo! Okay so you want to delve into the dark side hey? Cynics! Thanks for dipping you toes in "the dark side" for a moment. :-) First of all... I should go on record as saying that I don't really think Harvey is a DARK film... but you are right... there are some darker "themes". I also read through some of the earlier posts including your original one and the one that Ms Cutter wrote, and I agree about the themes of "individualism" too. Are you sure Harvey really exists? AREN'T YOU??????? :-) I think it IS more fun to "wonder" sometimes when watching a movie like this one... "IS he really seeing the rabbit?" to me would have had a lot of interesting possibilities. But finding out that there is a whole "supernatural species" of Pooka's roaming around out there in the world.... I just had too much on my mind wondering about what he was thinking and where he would lead the story next.... and it bugs me a little. But this "creep factor" thing goes deeper than just that issue for me as I am finally putting it all together. ... Though I still really can't put it into words... I think it goes back more to what April and I were saying about Stewart's take on Elwood at times w/ the glassy eyed stare... etc. I don't think Harvey really changes Elwood so much as Harvey was attracted to Elwood because he was already different. There ya go.... And once we find out Harvey isn't really part of THAT equation... that 's when Elwood sort of starts to make me wonder. He seems so peaceful... and he has a "way about him" that is very relaxed in a lot of respects. All except for ONE thing .. and it is the way he seems to be so INTENT every time he is looking at anyone or speaking with them. He is practically staring them down... or at least that is the way it seems to me a lot of the time. It's like he is having one conversation with his words.. and yet I am wondering what he is thinking the whole time he is talking. Good eye contact is important in any worth while verbal conversation... but sometimes TOO much eye contact can be... "creepy". And THAT is to me what takes him from being such a laid back "pleasant guy" who has a few "quirks" to something I can't really describe but am just a little "uncomfortable" about . Don't get me wrong.... I don't think he is at all "sinister". Elwood would not hurt a fly. I don't think even Harvey is sinister either (though I DO see him as you say.. "mischievous". But I was a lot more comfortable w/ Elwood's "quirks" until I found out Harvey wasn't one of them. Ok.... now before you think I am "anti-Elwood" or "anti- Harvey" (the film or the bunny) I again want to repeat that I LOVE watching this film and have always enjoyed it. And honestly, I always have a smile on my face when this film is on that lasts until long after it is over... but it's only when I think just a LITTLE TOO MUCH about a few of those "things" I can't quite grasp... I get that "hair on the back of my neck" thing going on. And again... It's more of a general mood than it is anything I can explain in words. Maybe it's not "Harvey" or Elwood... Maybe this is one of those "it's not you, it's me" things. Ha. That's a big laugh line for Wilson in the play I remember reading that you got to play him in high school... I bet that role was a lot of fun... If I was going to be in that play... I would want to be.... hmmmm.... VETA. OF COURSE. Ha. (Except fot the "check in" at the sanitarium... I would have to have a "stunt double" Ha. :-) I'd have to put the cart between us just to make myself feel better... Ha. Now Kathy, he's just a harmless little bunny, for goodness sake. RUN AWAY!! Actually I was talking about putting the cart between me and ELWOOD. Ha. I am sure if everyone were to think hard enough... we have all met a few characters that we can stand and chat w/ here and there as we go about our day... but occassionally... you run into one that makes you want to put at least a shopping cart's length between you... (Hey... Larry... wait, come back... what are you doing with that shopping cart?) Ha. :-) PS... MR GREY... interesting take w/ the whole IRENA screencaps... I still have Belle on my mind Of course you do... My pointy tail isn't showing, is it? NO tail... but what is that peach pie stain doing on your collar??????????