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Hello Little Butterfly Favell... (I shall NEVER think of YOU as a moth!) :-)
You have been missed here lately, my sister! :-)
Not sure if I can see Stewart as Jabez.... MAYBE...
Frank, you like dancing? How about at the end of a rope?
In THAT sort of dance he is a virtual Fred Astaire!! Ha.
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54 (ps...with your permission, folks...this is a first for me...)
" I don't care if he DOES like his oatmeal lumpy... I'm the cook and I say... NO LUMPS."
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Wow Molo... this film looks like a lot of fun (I have always enjoyed Red Skelton) ... and G G looks... stunning! Nice screencaps, sir. :-)
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I'm free!
Only until you hit the end of that rope... then..
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Having just learned about screencaps I can attest to the fact that they really take a lot of time. It's hard to keep up with the discussion.
Well... the screencaps have been worth the wait... so you BOTH deserve a LITTLE slack for that... I GUESS. But... my memory is only as good as your last ramble... so NO fiddle faddling around, gentlemen.
I say again... just consider me... a pushy "Ma"
I was just kidding!!....Don't go for the rope!
HA!!! Too late... the rope is in the freezer... with Spring time a comin' I have to keep it there because it will lose it's chill if I don't.
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No moths... But maybe at the rate you are going... (and your known trackrecord for DELAY)... maybe a JUNEbug!!
Ok...ok... I confess... that wasn't fair. You HAVE been rambling your little self silly lately. (Just consider me... a pushy "Ma")
Oh my golly April... did I just let him off the hook????????? Say it isn't so...
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4 or 5 days ago.... FXReyman wrote:
I don't mean to be selfish but.......................
Is Mr. Grimes ever going to reply to the TWE ramble from several days, or was it weeks ago???
To which Rohanaka replied:
Don't worry... as soon as the Grey Guy's "contract" is up... we will push him on out the door your direction!
What do you think Molo... I can't quite make out the date on that yonder tree... Is his contract up yet??????????????
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an article in the Morlock site by suzidoll about Darryl Zanuck's involvement in "My Darling Clementine."
Wow Chris, thanks for posting that link... I am the world's worst about checking the Morlock's sometimes... It's easy to get distracted by stuff... but that is no excuse. And this piece you have mentioned here is a fine example of why I need to make a better effort to stop by and review that site more often... thanks.
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YOU, my Bonnie Lass, my have as many as you like.. I can ALWAYS make more!! :-)
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watch THE QUIET MAN and eat green cupcakes
Hmmm.. that sounds like a WONDERFUL idea...as long as the cupcakes were "green" because of the frosting... (and not because they'd been "around" too long!! Eeww)
Here.... THESE will do quite nicely... and as you can see... there's enough here for all of us!! Woo Hoo!
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Very nice take!
Clem is the Eastern world, the civilization that is coming to the West... she is an altogether more refined creature than any of its present citizens
I think Clementine is presented as an ideal... she is absolutely flawless... in form and in substance... but still once you get past the surface... she had a few 'surprises". She seemed to be made of a lot sterner stuff than most folks seemed to think, judging by the way they treated and talked to her. I think Wyatt was very surprised at her just walking right in to Holliday's room (when she first shows up) without even hesitating... And EVERYONE was surprised at her sitting in the saloon waiting for him.... a tiny little island of "perfection" in a sea of ne'er do wells. I admire (and yet wonder about) how she traveled around from place to place before she finally got to Tombstone and found "Doctor John".... to me that was either the sign of a VERY determined and committed woman... or someone who was really desperate... I am still trying to decide. Ha.
Chihuahua is the old, "wild west" with its unruliness, it's brashness and lawless ways. She
flashes danger and, frankly, life in her eyes and is every inch as bold as any of the rough
wranglers in the saloon.
You have her pegged perfectly. Another thing I see in her is a LOT of anger. She is mad at EVERYONE and she has a very short fuse... because I think life (especially MEN) have worked that anger into her. She was bold... and she was rough... and she was NOT going to let anyone see her in a weak moment.
But in all honesty.. I think Chihuahua and Clem could both have ended up like each other... if the situations in their lives had led them there.. they both had a similar determination in their character makeup that made them strong... (or at the very least made them try their level best to avoid appearing weak.) Now whatever happened in their lives to make them that way was obviously what made the difference in how they ended up as people... But they each had their own reasons for doing what they did... and they stayed focused on those reasons long after and in spite of the fact their circumstances told them they were wrong. I think they both clearly looked at each other as rivals... but if you take the reason for their rivalry out of the picture... I could almost see how they could have ended up if not liking each other, then perhaps each having a mutual respect for the other.
I agree about how Wyatt views both women... when he first pays any attention to Chihuahua, he KNOWS she is trouble... and deals with her. But I think he later comes to realize he may have judged her a little too harshly as he sees her strength, especially at the end... and that may be a bit of what leads him to "salute" her the way he does as he is walking by that window.
And you are right... when Wyatt first meets Clem... he is up on his feet in record time when he realizes she is no ordinary traveler. She brings out the "gentleman" in him and makes him WANT to be the man his Mama likely raised him to be. I really like the part where he and his brothers make a point of telling themselves and some of the passersby (in that LONG, long procession of people) that they are not going to help ring in the new church.... but then later on when SHE comes out and asks him if he will escort her to church... he is on it "like a duck on a Junebug". Ha. :-)
(PS...I loved the running gag first w/ his brothers and then later with her when they all comment about how sweet the morning air smells... and he says... (much to his chagrin) "It's me"... ha!!!!
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I never appreciated before what an exquisite voice Deanna had.
Better late than never!
Hi there little Missy... thanks so much for that beautiful youtube post... count me in with the "better late than nevers". :-)
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the fault is in me, not my copyist.
Well... then I think you are worrying over nothing... and besides.. I am hoping we get graded more on content than on form... otherwise I am in BIG trouble myself. ha.
PS.. What is your "take" on the two women. I think they were polar opposites in a LOT of ways.... but still VERY similar in some respects....
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Hello there, Miss Clementine....
Brennan is so cold-blooded that his "Pa" Clanton ranks as my top villain for westerns.
It's not just that he plays mean---I can see old Walter getting testy and nasty or bad tempered,
but he goes a long way beyond that with this characterization. When I look in his eyes
I see somethihng I just can't look at very long. It makes me feel cold, like a grave. I mean
he just is beyond the pale
That is a perfect way to say it... I think this is one of his most outstanding performances... and really.. he gets very little screentime in the story... so he makes use of what time he has to be sure.
That's why I say it's "poetic", like a troubador's ballad of chivalry.
It was a very "non western" moment. Mature's character is VERY non-western like (in a lot of ways) but I guess that is because he wasnt' from the west. Ha. He was a very relunctant "good guy" and he had a HUGE dark side. You were never really sure (most of the time) whether he was fighting it or even wanted to fight it) but he DID seem to have some very shining moments in the middle of the dark.
many errors and poorly constructed sentences in that old post that I blush to see it repeated.
I thought it was VERY eloquent and quite poetic in its own right... and if you saw any errors at all... I hope it was not due to my poor "copy and paste" skills... I had some difficulty getting everything protected from the rotten "indentation" monster so I might have accidently cut a word or two while I was lining it all up... please forgive any unintended edits by this technophobic wretch. :-)
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Not as appealing as
Now THAT's a super hero who commands respect for SURE.. Ha. Only if Superkitty came to rescue me, I would be so allergic... he'd have to replace the cape and and big red "S" with one of those hazmat suits instead. Ha.
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listening to one's own heart, NOT listening to "silver-tongued devils", be they old Scratch himself, dictators of countries, or ordinary people who enjoy manipulating the truth because they themselves are listening to the false voice within.
Wow... Barb... I always find myself thinking this after your posts... "Wish I'd said that!"... Nicely worded.
I make it seem like Webster is a cartoon superhero, lol.
Now I don't think you are giving yourself enough credit, young lady. Because I am starting to see how that sort of comparison might not be too far from the mark. TDADW is, after all, a tall tale.. and I think a lot of present day "superhero" stories could owe a debt to these old tales, in a way.
I wonder what Edward Arnold would have looked like with yellow boots and a flowing red cape billowing behind him in the wind... (no tights though... I don't think I want to imagine THAT much)
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If you get the DVD see if it is the one that carries both versions. There is the real release and a version that was what Ford wanted. The distictions are small but important
PS..thanks for the tip on that... I didn't even know there were two versions..
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Brennan played a part quite so nasty to this point but he was scary.
SPOILER Alert:
Oh my golly Chris, when he is sitting next to the bed looking at the body of his dead son... and then pulls out that shotgun right after Virgil Earp walks out the door... that was one of the most violent moments I can ever recall in nearly ANY western film... let alone a Ford film.. CHILLING!
(Spoofed it in "Support Your Local Sheriff.")
I checked that one out at the library about a month ago because I have always enjoyed it .. what a riot.... and don't ask me how, but Brennan takes all the same creepy elements of his character in Clementine.. and somehow the "spoof" is SPOT ON creepy... but hilarious. He is my all time FAVORITE character actor.
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Oh my gosh and oh my golly.... Oh! My Darling Clementine!!
I love going to the library. :-) I have been so happy to be able to check out a lot of old films I have never seen before.... and (like the one mentioned above) a lot of old films I have wanted to see again for a very long time.
When I was thinking about this ramble... so many thoughts popped in my head. I know that this film has been discussed elsewhere on here, folks.. so first of all.... thanks for bearing with me while I bring it up again... I went around looking for some old conversations that other folks had had on My Darling Clementine and found several. But one of the chats I found really leaped off the page for me... and I remembered how much I enjoyed reading it when it was first posted, back this summer in the TCM Summer School class...
SO... I hope I don't get in trouble for copying someone else's homework... but.... I think this is a beautiful way to start this conversation...
Way back in July of this past year (again.. this was in the "John Ford and Westerns: TCM Summer School")
lzcutter wrote: MissG, I have to ask (especially since you brought it up), what makes Clementine poetry for you?
To which Miss Goddess then eloquently replied....
"Sigh"
I get stars in my eyes just thinking about it. I cannot define poetry in any of its
forms, it's just a feeling, a certain almost lyrical way in which the movie is
paced and presented. It has such a personal rythm and cadence that reminds me of poetry
Scenes travel into one another in a way that is utterly unique (I'm not referring to the editing, I'm referring to whatever it is the mind of the man who made the movie that influenced the decisions regarding how to film and place each scene in relation to the others).
Poetry is the most personal of the arts in my opinion, and the "poetry" I find in My Darling Clementine might be better called the personal, idiosyncratic elements, Ford's "fingerprints".
The man created a ballad of the old west. The name and the sad tune it inspires, "Clementine", sets the tone. Played in the opening credits, the ballad tells us from the start that this will be no ordinary telling of an oft repeated wild west tale. Henry Fonda as Wyatt Earp is a besotted and loyal cavalier and Clementine, in Anderson's words, is his "lady fair".
In My Darling Clementine I find no comparison to any other movie, in spite of so many familiar western elements and motifs!
I sometimes even forget about that famous shootout at the end, because it's all the things that have gone before that stay in my mind:
Earp seeing himself in the mirror after his shave and haircut; the way he dances---funny and stiff---while the manner in which the dance is filmed is as formal as if it were an English ballroom scene;
The weightless manner of Henry Fonda's movements, his occasional stillness and his cat-like body language;
The look on Earp's face when he first encounters Doc Holiday in the saloon, wary of his violence yet curious at the mixture of education and pathos, unexpected in such a town. And what kind of an is it that turns away a creature like "Clementine"?). Also the way he watches Doc watching Alan Mowbray recite Shakespeare. Earp gives us more reasons to wonder at and sense the mystriousness of Doc's character than Victor Mature does, great as he is in the part, because we essentially see Doc through the eyes of others: Earp, Chihuahua and Clementine. Doc himself never lets us in.;
Chihuahua's wink as she lay dying, and the brief glance up at her window as Earp heads down the street to the corral;
All those images and point of view from which they are shown, are from the mind of someone far removed from dry history or even the harsh realities of turning in a viable commercial product to a demanding studio head.
WOW... ok... maybe I should rethink all this because NOTHING I am going to add now is going to matter... probably NOT my smartest idea for starting a ramble... (Ha.) But I will say that it was a REAL treat for me to watch this film again. In fact... it had literally been so long since I saw it last that I had virtual NO recollection of much of the "specific" story other than the basics... the Earp boys were in it... and Walter Brennan played the bad guy.
And oh my golly... was he ever one bad DAD. Ha. In fact.. if I have any real criticism of this film it would be that he doesn't get NEARLY enough time on screen. He starts out VERY menacing... and then later.. when he tells his son in the bar... Something like... "When you draw your gun on a man.. KILL HIM." you get a clear understanding of who he is and how he has molded and made these monster sons of his... but I still would have liked more interaction with him and Fonda... but I guess John Ford forgot to ask me what I thought about that when he was making this one... ha.
April... you are so VERY right.... there are some truly poetic moments in this film.... It is BEAUTIFUL to look at... almost so much so that it hurts sometimes. And to be such a legendary "bloody battle" sort of tale... it is SO tender and full of such emotion in places that you almost forget what's coming at the end.
I LOVED the scene where Doc Holliday helps the poor old drunken actor finish Hamlet's soliloquy..... I think it is my favorite scene for Victor Mature. And even though he is likely far "more legend than fact" in this telling of the story... the way he resisted doing the right thing...just because it was right... and more or less had to work through the inner struggle of his own eminent "to be or not to be" thoughts was a very effective for the way Holliday's character was written.
Henry Fonda is starting to grow on me more and more. Ever since I re-discovered him (ha) in The Oxbow Incident... I am getting a better appreciation for his ability to bring specific personalities to life in some of his characters. He was heroic... stalwart... yet still VERY fallible and even "awkward" (around Clementine) in this story... it was all very well played on his part.
I won't go so far as to say this is my all time favorite Ford western.... I really wouldn't even put it in the top 3.... but it is a very good story and it really goes a long way to show how Ford seemed to almost relish bringing the whole "MYTH" aspect of Western stories to life in an almost "celebratory" way.
I hope it will not be NEARLY so long for me to get a chance to see this one again.
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Only when I care about the characters...
Some love stories makes more sense if everyone just loves each other from afar.
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Hi Chris....
I bet you are right about how folks likely were thrown together/pulled apart that way. I think I even mentioned something about that in an earlier ramble on this... but I have jabbered on and on about so MANYthings on here lately... It's hard for me to keep track!
And in all honesy, I have to admit the whole "romance unresolved" aspect "works" for the story as a whole...
But.....
I thought it a good idea they let it go. More realistic to me
Realistic-shmealistic!! Ha. I wanted them to find each other again!
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The look on her face when she sees him there says it all,
The whole romance angle in this film is such a nice turn... in some ways I wish the story had gone more in that direction but then it would have been a MUCH different movie.
The whole unresolved "did he ever find her again" thing is just so heartwrenching... it really does add to the emotion of the film. But it is also one of the most AGGRAVATING movie romance moments I can ever remember seeing in a long time... Ha! I wanted to throw something at the tv screen when it was all over and he still had not found her.... I was like.... WAIT... what about Donna Reed???? Ha.
Guess old Pappy just didn't bother to ask me MY opinion on that one... Ha. :-)
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I love how Donna Reed looks at him in that scene.
April... I love the way that whole thing is done... and when he ends up GOING to the dance.. it is so "sweet"...
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Hello there, Mr. Webst..I mean Mr. Grey!!
All I'm doing is making an assumption about Daniel Webster's speech to the "Jury of the
Damned" being one made to the American people. That's how I take it. These are my
opinions, nothing more.
And you have raised some excellent points!! I think you have a good case presented... I really do see that even if it was not a blatant statement... it could have been one that was made in general given the time and the events going on in the world.
You will see the words "free" and "freedom" used a total of ten times in Webster's
powerful speech. It may not be America's cause but it's man's cause.
Though I am happily not on THAT jury... I will cast my vote for the defense... nicely said. :-)
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