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spending the night in the barn sequence.
HA! I had forgotten about that scene until I watched it again the other day.. TOO funny... I loved how his friend kept noticing all the "stuff" first the pocket watch... the flower... the hay on Coop's shirt.. VERY funny..
And wasn't that young Anthony Perkins just so doggone CUTE??? One nice thing about this film is that while watching it... (if only for that short little while) I had NO problem getting rid of that OTHER mental image I have of him most of the time... (you know where he wears the dress and runs around slicing and dicing eveybody in sight!! AAAHH) ha. :-)
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Lousy "Rafter Rattler".
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Hello there, folks.... just a brief little ramble here about a "sort of " western....
I got to watch Friendly Persuasion the other day. I had to tape it, as I was not able to be home when it was on... but I thoroughly enjoyed getting to see it again... It had been YEARS since I last saw this one.
I really like this film a lot and have always found this to be among my most favorite for Gary Cooper... but watching it this time I noticed that the story is sort of a "contradiction" in more than one respect...
First... it is a "folksy" family sort of story... all about Quakers living out their days in peace and w/ some good natured, old fashioned fun thrown in just to make it interesting... I love the way they tease one another... and the way they respect one another as well. And I also enjoy the way they relate to those who are of a different faith and mindset than they are... never judging.. just living out their lives as they feel led. (and finding acceptance from MANY... though there are some who clearly do NOT understand or accept them)
And then it is also a "love" story in a lot of different ways as well.. the love between the dad and the mom... between the parents and their kids.. between the daughter and the young Civil War soldier... there's a lot of love, going on there, man. :-)
And this is also a "war" film... the war is all around them... and eventually... they all more or less find themselves smack dab in the middle of it... each one having to struggle w/ the best way to respond given' the faith that is so deeply rooted and intertwined in their lives and their character... (There is even a racial aspect to this story where their farm hand also decides he needs to take a stand) And I have to say... they ALL work things out exactly like you would expect them to in the end...
So... there is a lot going on in this one.. and this is why I say there is a bit of "contradiction" in the story line... because if I have one "criticism", it would be that when the film is finally over... I sort of felt like it was a bit rushed... each aspect of the story had more or less had "played itself out" and there was no real clear direction as to what the best way to end it should be... but I think I liked the way it all sort of got "wrapped up" in the end...
There were a lot of enjoyable moments in this film.. I really liked the way they "enjoyed" their faith instead of feeling "bound by it" and yet... they clearly chose to be bound by the way they had decided to make it such a part of their everyday lives. I especially loved the "thees" and "thou's"... very endearing.
My favorite line in the whole movie is when the mother "forbids" the father to bring the new organ into the house (because they do not hold to having musical instruments) and he says... "When thee asks or suggests I'm like putty in thee's hands.. but when thee forbids... thee is barking up the wrong tree." Ha. Very funny.
And I also love the running gag w/ the "horse racing" ... the kidling watched this film with me and she started cheering first.... "Come on Red Rover.... come on! Oh no! Prince is the winner" and then later in the film... she started cheering again... then she stopped herself... "MOM... that is NOT Red Rover!!! WHY did he want to race with THAT horse." too cute... ha.
The scene where the "rebs" come and raid the farm is well done too... she REALLY lets him have it when they start going after that goose... ("Mama whacked a Reb? Well by sugar that's news") ha.
And then entire portion of the story where they are all at the carnival was VERY entertaining as well (but again there is that "contradiction" aspect.. yet it all works together nicely.. You've got comedy, romance, drama, action... even music... all thrown into the mix... and still... it all fits into the story just right)
My favorite scene... the bit w/ Mrs. Hudspeth and her darling daughters... HA!!! "Hey MA!!! It's MEN!!!) Marjorie Main is such a CRACK UP!! ( when she is sitting there in her rocking chair sobbing her eyes out while everybody is singing... and Gary Cooper notices her nod to the photo of her dearly departed husband... and he points upward (to heaven) and she shakes her head and points down... and then they both look over at the fire... The look on Coop's face is priceless.)
All in all... a very enjoyable film...I am glad I managed to get this one on tape... Now I won't have to wait so long to see it again.
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It didn't work so well for Lucy:
HA! Welcome to my world..
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Welcome back to plain old Rambles
Thanks Wendy.
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Hiya Wendy!
GREAT faces, kid. Nicely done... you picked just the right moments w/ just the right faces.
(PS... I LOVED "Dad" on the front porch w/ the old shotgun... Ford just couldn't quite get away from the "Western" themes sometimes... Ha.)
never knew your dad served in Vietnam. Now I see a little better where you are coming from. He must have been a brave and honorable man to go back.
I have the nothing but the greatest respect for both my parents... especially for this particular time in our family's life... My dad was in the military for 20 years and served his country well... and I am always going to be coming from THAT sort of viewpoint when it comes to anything having anything to do these sorts of subjects. But for some reason... seeing the Duke looking so much like I remember my dad looking at the time.. it really struck a chord in me.
And for my mom... the longer I am a parent... I have come to appreciate and respect her more and more ...because it is a lot like what Chris said about "waiting"...
The first time my dad was in Vietnam, I was a baby and my mom was pregnant w/ my first brother... she had him while my dad was away... I can't even begin to imagine what that was like (for both of them).
By the second time my dad was called over... we had the second boy in our family (and he was a new born...) so my mom ( who would have been about 24) had 3 little kids... a newborn, a toddler, and the oldest one was barely 4... AND my dad was away at war.
I can't even begin to imagine HOW she did it.. I remember we stayed in this little house in this tiny town way north of KC where my grandparents lived. So we were close by to them. and I am sure that helped... But still... day to day... ever day... just getting up to take care of the 3 or us and manage the house all by herself... and all the while WONDERING where was my dad? what was he going through? when (or if) would he come home? I love them both more than I can ever say... and again... this is very emotional...
But I am glad to have the chance to say it. I have spoken to them both of these things before over the years... but I am glad to be able to share a little of it here as well because not everyone may have had this sort of experience... and I want folks to know how MUCH our men and women in uniform (and their families) really DO have to deal w/... just by being gone from their families(not to mention the stress of the duties they are called to perform) God bless them all.
Thanks, folks, for indulging me a bit.
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The brain-dead moment that bothered me was when she pulled that gun on him. Is she really so over-the-top that she has lost her mind?
Hiya Chris....
I think that was one of the "dopiest" moments in the whole film.... but the only thing I could chalk it up to was that Bonnie really seemed to have an "impulsive" side to her nature... And also... when it comes right down to it... sometimes (especially early on in a relationship) "True Love" CAN make you "brain-dead!!" once in a while! :-) Ha.
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OH my gosh, my golly BARB!! I love this!! A "prequel" and a "sequel"... all at the same time!! This is a great idea!!
And I think you have a lot of GREAT insight into their characters here... VERY creative and well thought out!
Only ONE thing I could add...
After the kids... come the grandchildren on their knee... you know.. "Vera, Chuck, and Dave" :-) Ha. (that song started running through my mind when I was reading their "futures". :-)
Nicely done, Miss B! :-)
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Make sure the server is secure. It should read "https" in your browser window instead of "http" and you should be fine. I don't like using credit cards online for a number of reasons but if you are on a reputable site you shouldn't have any problems.
Thank you, my friend, for the expert advice!! (but you DO realize you are talking to the Empress Supreme of all things Technophobic"... Ha) I will try the good old fashioned "cash and carry" thing first... and THEN if I can't find it.... I may have to start whining enough to see if The QT and I want to take the plunge and see about online shopping!! (it's a new world for us...but not so "brave" ha.) :-)
PS. haven't participated in a good discussion of a Western since Lynn's summer school class
Hey!! Feel free to mosey on back down here to the wild side of town anytime!
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Paramount is re-releasing The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance finally WITH EXTRAS
including a commentary by Peter Bogdanovich that incorporates some of his interviews
with the director, John Ford. Needless to say, I've already pre-ordered mine!!
Oh my golly!! I can't believe this is the first time I have gotten down here into this thread in DAYS... and when I did... look who's here!! YAY! AND bringing such "whoo hoo" news to boot!! :-)
Would you believe (of course you would.... I am so pathetic) I only have a VERY old homemade copy VHS copy of this film... loaded w/ commercials....from like 16 years ago. Sometimes when I watch this movie I will let the commercials play just for fun... funny what a little time does to "subject" matter in these things... If i recall there is only like ONE internet commercial on the whole tape, and it was for some guy surfing the net w/ this super cool "new" thing called AOL! :-) And Sprint was still doing their "pin drop" long distance commercials... WHEN was the last time you saw any sort of "long distance" commercial for your regular telephone??? But I digress... ha.
I will have to see what I can do to get a copy of this DVD... it sounds terrific. Maybe I can find it out shopping... or if not I might have to finally give in to the temptation to finally shop online... But Technophobia is such a debilitating condition sometimes... ha. How do you pay "cash" on the internet... I don't even have a debit card!! Ha.. Maybe I can just hold my check book up to the computer screen! Ha. (did I mention I am so pathetic?)
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I was told I could chime in on "Only Angels Have Wings" when I got to watch it. Well that was tonight.
WOO HOO!
I think it is a brotherhood. It is not unlike what you might find in a group of soldiers.
Hiya Chris... and as I believe I once said... it is never too late for a good ramble! I am glad you got to get in on this one... and I think your comment on the brotherhood bond being like that of soldiers fits into some of what we've been saying on They Were Expendable... both of these films had similar "family" themes in that respect...
she comes to fall in love with Grant and for my money a little too quickly but this is the movies. Grant and the boys are all business. Women are to be had as time allows.
Ah.... love... :-) You men and your mushy love talk on here! HA!
I agree... she falls pretty fast. And I may be "outta whack" in my thinking on this... (it would not be the first time) but maybe at first she is not so much "in love" with him as she is intrigued by the possibility of loving him...and him loving her too... (and that is why she stays) . But then soon enough she does come to "love" him (at least as much as anyone can love someone they barely know) as she observes him and gets to see what really makes him tick under that big white hat...
At one point she asks the Kid... "you love him too?" So obviously, by this point there is a form of "love" for him in her heart.. but I would not call it a "deep abiding love of her mind" just yet... Because that sort of love is a choice and it comes as people grow and get to know more and more about each other... Certainly there is the "romance" aspect of love going on.... and that CAN often happen quickly for some... and it is where they both seem to finally end up by the end of the story. And maybe by the time they have gotten that far... there is hope that the deeper aspects of love will be possible for them later on down the road.
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Mr. Grimes, here's to you
Well, said, Ms. Favell...
My friends... Please believe me when I say that I have NO desire to dredge up any of the ridiculous nonsense posted on the Movie Rambles thread in the past 24 hours... And Miss Goddess... I give you my personal guarantee and my word of honor that I WILL NOT sully your thread with any argument or comment on this matter... but I need to say some things... soI felt this was as likely a place to do that as any.
First of all, a comment was made in the other thread about certain "controversies" being inevitable when Sean Penn won his Oscar for his performance in the film Milk... But in fact..the only thing truly "INEVITABLE" about any troublesome issues centering around certain statements made in the numerous posts made by ONE individual on Prop 8, Sean Penn, and/or the movie "Milk" (in THIS or any other thread) is that the REAL controversy here was started by and propagated by only ONE (though likely multi-named) person ... and that would be the very ONE who brought the subject up in the first place.
And I submit that this "inevitable" controversial subject was not brought up as a means to show support for or to defend anyone's "civil right"... as this disruptive person claims.. but rather it is being used as a weapon of choice by ONE who simply wishes to bully others by spreading numerous hateful and false statements in some sort of pathetic form of self-entertainment... and that is something I am sure even Harvey Milk (though I am certainly no expert on the man) would agree is in poor taste at best... and is (at worst) the very sort of harassment those who claim to
respect Mr. Milk would be expected to hold in disdain.
This is a big enough forum where anyone is free to post whatever comments they want to regarding this subject....as we are ALL entitled to our opinion. But it will NEVER be a big enough forum for anyone to use this (or any other) subject to harass and browbeat others for sport. And THAT is what has been taking place here by this ONE ( though again likely multi-named) individual for a very long time.
It is my firm belief that this ONE disruptive person is to be most pitied because they evidently have no other source of personal happiness... a very sad thing indeed. And having said this, I wish to go on record as saying that I truly wish this individual NO ill will nor do I wish them anything but TRUE and REAL happiness in life. I have NO further thing to say to this ONE person, Film Fatale, ever again... other than, God forgive you.. and God bless you.
And finally, dear friends..if I were to add only one more thing to these comments, it would only be to say that life is short... and I for one will NOT waste any further effort providing this disruptive person with any more "free entertainment". There will be NO MORE comments from me (either open or backhanded) posted on this forum either in reply to or regarding this individual or her behavior. For too long now I have been baited and taunted by this ONE person and on occasion, I have felt the need to respond. But I will never again be dragged into any argument or confrontation with this person for any reason. I repeat... NEVER again. (So any future effort on her part to converse with me at all... either openly or by some sort of "backhanded" dig... will be a complete and utter waste of her time.
My friends.. I need to tell you all of this publicly, because for me this is a matter of maintaining my personal integrity... which I value far more than whatever satisfaction I think I may gain in "getting to have my say". Though it is NOT my nature to ignore anyone.. (for better or worse) I have drawn a line and I will NOT go back. I will not allow this individual's rude and disruptive behavior to ever cause me to react in even one more moment of "disgust" (no matter HOW big a dart this individual may toss) Though she may feel free to endeavor to do her "worst", I will make every effort to do my best, instead.
For too long now, I have wasted my time caring what sort of ridiculous nonsense this person might pull.... and I actually regret to admit that I have even found myself wondering what this one individual might or might not do or say next... But I have come to understand over the years, that no one controls my own attitude or actions but me... and I am sure I can find much better things to do with my time.
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Hello Jack... and thank you so much for this very nice chance to discuss They Were Expendable... I have some other comments regarding a totally different subject that I will post in a moment... but I want to make this post in reply to you (and others) first...
Great use of screencaps to make your points, little lady. And I really like your insight into Montgomery and Wayne's characters...
One of the things that caught my attention right away about this story is how DIFFERENT it is from other "Duke" films... he is more or less a "supporting character" through a lot of the story here... for a good portion toward the end he takes center stage. It was an interesting aspect to his "persona" to see him play this part so believably... he is usually so "commanding". I liked how Montgomery's character kept bringing up to him (whenever he (Duke) would try to have things his own way) something like... "Are you in this for yourself.. or for some other reason" I know that is not the exact quote... but that's more or less what he said.... It was a great "tether" to help keep the man tied to the mission.
And Jack...I went back into a previous post you made elsewhere (around New Years) and reread some of your comments because you always have such great insight into HOW the film was made and HOW it relates to the telling of the story... Your comments about the angles and the close ups were even more interesting in the light of actually getting to see what you were saying for myself.
And the whole "closeup" thing is what really got me.. I know you and April and several other more "learned" people on here have said things about Ford using "door frames" to shoot through... In this film it seem like he framed a lot of his faces... with doors, windows, wreckage... even the frame of the beds. It was an interesting way of "capturing" the moment... almost like pouring over an old photo album... I really found this to add to the emotion of the story... which for me is REALLY one of the more surprising aspects of this film... How sentimental it all is at times.
This movie has some VERY emotional moments for me.. The young boys...(soft drinks and milk and all) and the way they looked up to the older men. And the way the older men looked after the "kids". Though each and every man had his own distinct personality, it really captured the whole "brothers in arms" idea very well..
"Mini Spoiler"
And I liked how Ward Bond's character reacts to the news that there would only be enough seats for Wayne and Montgomery on the airplane out of there at the end... and also the way "rank" did not play a part a little later as to who left or who stayed...when the two "lost" men showed up to claim their seats on the plane as well. So in the end it seemed that for the greater good... EVERYONE was expendable...
One of the most emotional aspects of this film really was a HUGE surprise for me...
My dad was in the army when I was growing up and he went to Vietnam TWICE... He was w/ the Engineers building roads and maintaining motor pool stuff, etc... and though he never was in actual combat... the fighting was all around him. I was too young to remember the first time he went, but I was 5 when he came back home from the second tour... and for whatever reason... (though I don't usually see a resemblance) The Duke looked an awful lot like my daddy did when he came home that time... same hair cut, same slim build w/ the BROAD shoulders.... same white t-shirt and dogtags... same khaki colored uniform.. That was 40 years ago, but I SWEAR I will never forget how "bigger than life" he looked back then... and this film really brought that all home for me...very unexpectedly.
And THAT is all I can say about THAT... as it is STILL very emotional for me to even think about it now...
Thanks again Jackie for bringing this one up way back a couple of months ago... and again today as well.
(PS... Fxreyman... and Chris too... thanks for the "history" behind the history...surrounding the time and also the filming of the story.. VERY cool! Reyman... I had never heard ANY of that before... what a nice treat to put this all in context.)
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I don't know why, but I have always sort of avoided this movie... and I mean it when I say I don't know why... (who can know the inner workings of my whacko mind? ha) Maybe will check it out sometime. :-)
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I've never seen Norma Rae ... and I never heard that song before either.... very melancholy!
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Bruce Baldwin
Oh my golly, Miss G... I just watched that the other night!!! HA!!!! I totally forgot that was his last name!!! :-) I wouldn't put any construction paper over him either....but I MIGHT put some over his MOTHER! Ha.
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THANK YOU!!! (I never knew that was a variety of apple... ha.)
Until you posted that, THIS was the only other Baldwin I could think of that I wouldn't want to cover over w/ a BIG piece of construction paper... :-)
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EEWWW BARB!!!!! UGH.... ICK... Blech... (I know.. so Kathy... tell us how you REALLY feel. Ha) Now I am going to have to get TWO pieces of contruction paper... one for the TV and one for my computer... Ha.
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Congrats to Patful. And again.. well done everybody.
Great job, Chris... I knew you could do it! :-)
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I think I've finally got this hat thing figured out
HA!!!!! NOW we know the REAL history of the big round white HAT!!!
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A short one:
Ah yes, I knew your people, Sean. Your grandfather... he died in Australia.... in a penal colony
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Your memory is almost as bad as mine
Probably worse.
HA!My dad has several hats that all have silly sayings on them.. (again w/ another hat post... ha!) My favorite one is: "My job is so secret even +I+ don't know what I am doing" ;-) But my NEXT favorite one after THAT is:
"When your memory goes... FORGET IT!" (probably the story of my life lately.) HA!
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Sig Ruman ("Dutchy") Allyn Joslyn("Les"
Ha. Good thing you put their names on there.... I wouldn't have known them! (duh)
(PS... Dutchy DOES look rather "Harvey Korman-ish" ) :-)
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And what do you think you're doing?
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THANKS for the photo Miss Goddess!!!