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Yippee.. you can expect your usual paycheck, of COURSE!!
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OH dear.. ha. BOB.. all I can say is.. EEWWW! ha.
Mr. Movieman.. I am somewhere close to yourMo. I DO so hate "old gunk" in the fridge.. ha. (Leftovers get two or three days MAX and then they either get eaten, frozen or dumped)
And I am ever watchful of my expiration dates. ha.The grocery store folks likely hate me.. ha I am always turning stuff in to them if I find it expired on the shelf. ha. I once found an ENTIRE (at least 15 jars) display of Mayonaise that was expired for well over a WEEK (according to the date on the jar) OH those silly grocery store people, thinking they could do that to ME. ha.
But Jackie I will confess.. If the QT had dumped a new bottle of cream like that.. oh me.. we'd have to have words. ha.
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Woo HOO, Miss G!! I am so happy to see this! I had completely forgotten about WR Day coming up so soon!! THANKS for the reminder!! (Now I will need you and your fellow secretaries to keep me on task!! I do NOT want to miss this for sure!)
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Edited by: rohanaka on Dec 24, 2010 9:49 PM
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pictures and video, which I will have plenty of as soon as
I finish reading the huge manual that came with my new camera...and if I understand any
of it enough to operate it
WOOHOO.. can't hardly wait, little missy. I will stock up on tissues JUST in case of a sneeze attack. It will be worth it to see his furry little smile! ha.
I'm either awake when all I want is to sleep, or sleeping when I'd love to be able to stay up
That was me.. this past summer when I was working those LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG overnight hours. ha. THANKFULLY that is behind me... at least for now.
there was one western on not long ago that featured Francis in a pretty prominent role, I can't remember now what it was called! And I think it was on TCM. I remember it was so odd hearing him speak, which he but seldom does in his brother's movies, and then of course his salad days as an actor were in the silent era
I think I remember some folks brining it up for a brief mention back a few months ago, but don't recall the title either. In MFM he is SUPPOSED to be a Spanish Don.. ha.. but his Spanish accent is prettty much non-existent. (but he is in good company.. pretty much all of the non-hispanic "Spanish" characters more or less trampled over the pronunciations of the Spanish words that were in the dialogue.. and gave up any PRETENSE of SOUNDING like they were from anywhere else but HERE. ha. (but it was still fun)
the happy ending, that will really kill it for him
He should PROBABLY watch one of the older versions of that story.. the one that (I think) was from the 1930's... I think Walter Brennen plays one of the "Godfathers" if I recall. It ends MUCH differently.. way more "up his alley" than the Fordie ending. The older one DOES end well.. but not exactly happy. (but I still lean toward the Duke's ending.. it makes me smile) :-)
should he have a first name of Bart, Brett or Beau
Oh BRETT!!! Definitely!!
PS: Ollie.. we never named any toothbrushes around here... but when the kidling was a bit younger.. one day when we were at the grocery store... she was sitting in the shopping cart and she grabbed our gallon of milk and gave it a hug.. and said, "Look, Mama, I am hugging Stevie" I have NO idea why.. ha. (But we have called our milk jugs Stevie ever since) HA.
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hope you will have a chance to watch The Heiress sometime soon
Hiya Mr. Pirate Dude.. I would LOVE to watch that movie again sometime soon. It has been a little while since I last watched it but maybe not ALL that long (wasn't it Olivia day back in the summer sometime???) Anyway.. I always try to see it when it is on (but I don't have a copy of it) so I will have to check out the library. (my usual source) and see if they have it there. I imagine I can get to it eventually.. but I don't know when I will get there for sure.. so do not wait on me, kind sir.
In the meantime, I am glad you enjoyed the film, sir. It truely is an excellent story and the characters are just so well written.. AND well played. A very "chat-worthy" movie indeed!
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Hello there little Mama!! ha.
Felix aka FLIX!!! I love it! I need to see the movie so I can get a better feel for his temperment! ha. I bet you are having some sweet moments w/ that little fur ball just purring away beside you. I DO miss having a kitty. I had them growing up, but the older I got the more allergic I got.. and now I can just barely SEE one and I start to sneeze and gasp, and wheeze... and then I break out in hives. So now I just have to love them from afar. (sniff) ha.
I'm so glad you got to watch Man from Monterey in spite of having had so little sleep...you amaze me with your stamina! I am afraid I both missed it and failed to record it, DRAT and DOUBLE drat since I didn't realize Francis was in it!!!
I am glad it worked out the way it did because I really did not expect to catch it (given the hour it was playing and the fact that I am seemingly unable to program the old VCR that I tape on.. ha. I have to push the record button in real time or it won't work.. not sure why) Anyway.. I am glad I caught it. Maybe not THE best movie ever.. but still was fun to see. Re: Francis.. I was suprised at the role he played.. I am not used to seeing him have sucha prominent role in a film like that. And I am with Jackie.. I bet he and the Duke sat around in later years and talked about all the OTHER (non-Fordie) movies they made together. ha. (and PS: don't be TOO impressed with my stamina.. ha. Really, I am just too stupid to go to bed at decent time, and I end up PAYING for it the next day.. ha)
missed most of the Duke's films, triple drat! Because i was so crazy busy at work and then had to play "cat and mouse" and "Mom". I haven't slept much, either
You've had a LOT going on the last few days for sure, little youngun!! I hope you can get a chance to kick back and relax with your new little friend over the next few days. I bet you two are getting along famously!!
did my bleary eyes see correctly? Mr Rancid said he'd watch 3 Godfathers
Well.. to be fair.. I think he said he'd THINK about it.. or TRY.. or something very non-commital like that. ha. But I bet you are right.. I can almost HEAR the complaints before they start to roll in. Religious issues aside.. it has a HAPPY ending.. we can't be having THAT!! ha. I think (in the other thread) I told him that I doubted it would be one he would rate very high.. but it DOES have a few moments in it he may enjoy (because really WHO could not love that sweet little Robert William PEDRO?? ) but I will believe it when I see it, though. ha
I wish I could say he fits Tom's boots, but I think he'd be swimming in just one of his pockets!
Aww.. I bet he is as cute as a bug's ear. HA! (and as for his soon to be big brother.. You mentioned that he might be a Maverick.. now THERE's a name.. ha. FLIX and Maverick.. that would be quite a pair for sure. (but I know whatever you name the next one.. it will fit him well.. and I bet you will be bustin' at the seams all proud of your two boys, ha.) That is some of the best news I have heard in a while, kid. I am so happy for you!
20 little sugar coated girls....lady you deserve a MEDAL!
Well, thanks for the medal but I know I have a LONG long way to go to earn THAT one. ha. Do you think they make one that says "Doing the Best She Can Despite Her Advanced Age and Failing Organization Skills"??? ha. It might be a bit much to engrave all that one medal, but that one would fit me to T !! ha.
PS: Jackie.. thanks for the info on the new TG. It sounds like it might be better than I expected, but I don't know if I will go see it at the theaters or not. I really had thought I would pass it by for now and worry about it "tomorrow' ha (a la Scarlett, ha) I may go check it out (depending on how the next few days go for me) but I will likely do like the Goddess and wait to see it when it goes to DVD.
PS: Mr Movieman.. glad we were able to talk you down, my friend!!
Edited by: rohanaka on Dec 24, 2010 1:22 AM
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Hello, my little OK Kid!!!!
Scoutmistress Crabapple
That would be ME!! ha. (no matter WHAT the gal in the Our Gang comedies was called) ha. And all the girls in our troop know that Mrs. Crabapple is fair.. but FIRM. ha. So if their unit leaders can't convince them to behave.. they will have to come and see me.. ha. And just magine how scary THAT could be!! Hence, very rarely am I ever TRULY needed in that "official" capacity. ha. Just the mere mention of my name is usually convincing enough to make them mind. HA! (they do not call me the Peacemaker for nuthin'!)
All kidding aside.. I have to say.. we rarely have any trouble at all. We are too busy having FUN to get in trouble. ha. We have 28 girls this year (ranging from 1st grade to 8th grade) and I really do enjoy it all very much.. but it does keep me busy sometimes.
I absolutely loved Luis Alberni
I KNEW you'd know who he was, my little "guru of all things related to character actors", ha. He really made that movie for me. TOO funny. When he was in that dress.. and the fight breaks out.. he starts throwing all the books and dishes.. ha. OH my golly... "I hope none of these men forgets to remember that I am a LADY!" ha. (or something like that) VERY entertaining.
I am trying to think if there was another guy he was pal-ing around with in that one
There was a guy who was the leader of a band of men who were wanting to claim the land (if any of the Don's refused to register their claims in time) I looked him up last night and I think his name was Slim Whitaker?? (maybe) He was very funny too. He starts out sort of as a "bad guy" but turns out to be alright and joins up w/ John Wayne to help rescue one or the Dons who is kidnapped by Francis Ford (in order to make the first guy's daughter marry Ford's son) Confusing aint it?? ha.
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OH, poor Chris. Sorry to hear of your headache.. but NO house jumping, if you please!! Take care, dear sir!!
As for the rambling.... THIS is what I am waiting on:
(In another thread.. elsewhere on the message board, several days ago.The GREY Dude said:
I haven't seen 3 Godfathers... Maybe I'll watch that one this week
To which Rohanaka replied: I TRIPLE DOG dare ya
And in addition she now replies:
Well?????????????
Ha.. I betcha a cookie or three that he did not watch it.. AND if he did.. he likely hated it.. HA!!!!!!!!!!
OH the suspense.... oh the drama.. ha.. did he or did he not watch???
In the meantime, Mr. Movieman.. I hope YOU have a very restful day.. enjoy the giftwrapping and go take some ibuprofin sir.. (get DOWN from off of that roof!!) :-)
Save me a chocolate chip cookie
All for you, my friend!
Edited by: rohanaka on Dec 23, 2010 2:43 PM
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Hello there Ms Favell..
I missed Three Godfathers and The Sons of Katie Elder
Bummer, kid. I know those were the two you were wanting. But I hope you get the chance to catch them soon. (especially TSOKE) Neither of those would be my most fave Dukes, but I do enjoy them both very much.
As for my own Duke Day watching.. well.. I missed pretty much everything leading up to the Searchers (because I was gone all morning) but I DID enjoy getting to see that one again. I still think given a choice between that and TMWSLV, I lean more toward The Searchers.. but maybe ONLY just.. (it really is pretty neck and neck as to which is my favorite)
But I love that whole "Let's go home, Debbie" thing so much at the end.. sob, sniff, sigh. (ha)
PS: Fredb.. RE: the 'hat toss" I remember thinking (in that part of the Searchers yesterday) that Ward likely did it on impulse and they kept it in just because it seemed like the very thing he SHOULD do, ha)
And regarding 3G and TSOKE, well do not feel bad, because I did not get to see those two the way I wanted to EITHER. I caught the beginning of the FIRST one and the end of the other!! ha.
I was just settling in to watch 3G and a knock came on the door.. and our neighbors had come over bringing a tray of.. COOKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (no, I am NOT kidding!! ha.. in the midst of my OWN holiday food preparations I am showered with even MORE delectable goodies. ha. And NO Mr. Grimes.. it was not a rescue call.. ha. I know how you like to disparage my cooking.) ha.
At any rate.. they stayed for almost an hour and a half so I missed MOST of 3G even though it was on right in front of me because we were gabbing, and our kids were romping around all over the house, etc, etc, etc. Alas.
But it was nice to catch up w/ the neighbors and visit a while, even though I missed the movie, but as a SIDE note, I will add that I did not get to enjoy their visit as much as I would have otherwise, because my mind was preoccupied with my housekeeping skills (or obvious lack thereof, ha) because I still had all the sleepover STUFF out in the living room (sleeping bags, pillows, overnight bags, etc) because when we got home yesterday from our party and the errands and shopping, etc.. I pretty much just dumped it all on the floor and had yet to get it put away.. and THEN of course there was cooking and baking going on so the kitchen was a cluttered mess too.. sigh..WHY can't people ever show up unannounced at my house when it is CLEAN???????????????
But I digress..
Anyway.. I missed most of the beginning parts of TSOKE because after the neighbors left I was so guilt ridden about the condition of my living room that I had to stop and get all that stuff put away, and then get after the kidling to pick up the toy disaster in her room that she and the neighbor kid created... blah blah blah.. so I missed everything leading up to poor Earl Holliman's character.. well. I won't spoil it for you Jackie, since you have not seen it yet... but suffice to say I did not get to see much of the story unitl avter THAT part, so I pretty much only got to see the end of the movie. Alas.
But HEY.. on the positive side.. I DID catch most of True Grit (though I gasp.. true confession.. ha.. I fell asleep near the end because I am an old woman and I only got a minute amount of sleep Tues night at that sleepover w/ the scouts.. and well. it was comfy on the couch,etc, etc, etc. ha) I know.. I am so pathetic, ha.
So anyway.. due to a much needed nap, I also missed Rio Bravo all together, (thankfully that is one I have on DVD and have seen MANY times, so I don't feel so bad, ha)
But then I managed to wake up about half way through McLintock.. and I watched Big Jake.. and by then.. ha. it was getting late.. but OH my golly.. I just kept on going (because I love that movie.. OH that dirty rotten (and not nearly so pretty as Paladin) Richard Boone, ha.
Though I did take a break in the middle of the movie to try and get on here for a while (just wanted to check in and see what was going on.. but my computer locked up.. so I decided that must have been a sign that I need to keep watching the Duke.. so I went back to Big Jake... ha.
(Ok.. I know this is quite the "rambling" ramble.. but stick with me kiddo.. I AM getting to a point here.. I PROMISE!!) ha.
So.. after making it all the way to the WEE hours to see the end of Big Jake (because I had that whole 3+ hour refresher nap on the couch in the early part of the evening, ha so I was at least able to keep one eye open still) It was getting VERY late, but I stayed up JUST a little longer because.. the ONE Duke movie that was on yesterday.. the very one that I had NEVER seen... (and the reason I decided to go ahead and stay up instead of being smart enough to go on to bed.. ha) was coming on next.
And though I can't say it was a GREAT movie.. and although I am a bit "bleary eyed" today (again) for having stayed up so RIDICULOUSLY late, ha.. I am glad to have caught it, because I did enjoy getting so see ...(drum roll please) The Man from Monterey.
What a fun little "gem" among his early stepping stone movies. ha. And I have to say that John Wayne about as fresh-faced and sweet as ever I had seen him (save maybe The Big Trail) . He had a LONNNNNNNNG way to go to get to the level of acting we have come to know and appreciate in him, (he was still learning and working on how to carry a conversation "naturally" instead of just read lines, etc. But even so.. he was very good w/ the facial expressions and reactions that we've come to really appreciate from him) At any rate, I will say he was more like "The Man who WOULD be Duke" in this movie.. ha, than the "DUKE" we have come to know and love. In fact.. he was not even "the DUKE" at all. His HORSE was!!
(Spoiler alert, for those who have not seen the movie,, ha.. Duke the wonder horse saves the day, Yee-haw!!) )
Anyway.. to be honest.. it was NOT that great a movie.. ha. Think.. early "cowboy" style western. I call them "popcorn" movies. (I imagine 12 year old boys sitting in the movie theater back in the 1930's just munching down on their popcorn and having the time of their lives, but not too many other folks taking it all very seriously)
And to be honest, because it WAS not much of a movie, the main reason I kept watching (because even despite my power nap, ha... I was getting pretty droopy by that late hour) was not even for John Wayne.. it was for Luis Alberni.
I had to go look him up.. I sort of recognized his face.. (though after I looked him up, I don't know why) but OH my golly.. Jackie.. he belongs in your "squirrely cherub" thread. TOO funny.. a perfect comic side kick ("I am Felipe Guadalupe Constacio, Delgado Santa Cruz de la Venrranca, at your service." ha..) Also enjoyed getting see Francis Ford (woo hoo) he had a pretty sizable role too. (he even got to play the bad guy!) Really.. the character actors in this movie stole the show. (that.. and of course. ha.. Duke the wonder horse! ha)
So there you have it.. ha. A complete history of my "Duke Day Bake-athon" celebration. ha. Thanks TCM for a fun time.. (even if I missed some of it.. I was happy to share my baking day/visit w/ the neighbors/housecleaning/ and even my power nap (ha) with my favorite actor.
Now if I could ONLY get some volunteers to come over and help me finish cleaning up that kitchen.... there's a cookie or two (or even three) in it for you... come on.. you know you want to.. mopping my kitchen floor is a small price to pay for some peppermint sugar cookies, now isn't it???????????
Edited by: rohanaka on Dec 23, 2010 1:02 PM
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OH Ms Favell what a PERFECT way to kick off Duke Day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the TERRIFIC pics, little darlin'!! I think that first one is my MOST fave of all!! TOO cute!!
I did not get a chance to even START watching until now as I have been VERY busy all morning (following a very LATE night w/ the scout troop Christmas/slumber party we had at church last night.. ha. OH my golly.. 20+ little girls, way TOO much sugar.. and a complete and utter disregard for the phrase "Lights out!" HA. More fun than we likely will ever need to have again.. ha.. at least until this time next year.
Then I had a big clean up job for most of the morning (did I mention there was WAY too much fun from the party? ha) followed by errands.. and NOW I am finally back home and HAPPY to have my TV tuned in to TCM for SURE. I have been looking forward to the big Duke Day/Holiday Bake Off for days!! And now it is finally here!!
Look.. it's so exciting.. Even Wardie Bond is happy.. ha.
In the meantime.. the oven is preheating.. and the cookies will be a baking soon.. In fact I already got one batch ready...
COOKIES FOR EVERYBODY!! ha. (And don't worry.. if we run out.. we'll just make more!! ha)
PS: Miss Maven.. sorry you are missing out.. but we will save some cookies for you, little missy.
PS: April: My "official guess" for the Kitty name.. Tom Doniphan. (and if the other one you get is a girl, you could call her Hallie!) ha. I am on the edge of my seat, little gal!! WhatEVER will you call this sweet little bundle?? ha. Congrats, dear girl. I am very happy to hear of your new addition!!
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WHAT??? Did I miss it??? Has the special delivery already been delivered??????? Woo hoo!! (achoo.. pardon my allergic sneeze of happiness!! ha) Congrats, Little Missy!!
Details.. I need details!! :-)
This calls for a celebration!!!
Ha.. Cat Herders.. who'da thunk it???? ha.
(Here's a scene from my fave cat herder western of all time: Cat of the West) HA!
Edited by: rohanaka on Dec 21, 2010 4:18 PM
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Woo hoo!! I have my TV remote control ready and my baking supplies all set to go!! ( ha)
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Hello, my long lost sister! How have you been
Busy!!! (ugh.. I hate that word sometimes) Chasing myself is the more appropriate way to say it, ha. My organization skills have been.. well.. depleted I guess. ha. I need a tune up! ha. Maybe I can get myself caught up here when I have a few days off the next couple of weeks.
And I have been missing our chats here for sure!!! Nice to be gabbing w/ you, my sister! :-)
It never occurred to me that love and affection could be divided, but that really feels so right in Dr. Sloper - he compartmentalizes everything, so it's only fair that his feeling for Catherine would be so. If you could ask him, even he would say, "Of course, I love Catherine, but...does she have to simper so? Why can she not be more .....clever?" There is always a proviso in his love, or a hesitation. It's love with strings attached. The opposite of unconditional love - there is always a reservation on his part. Even though she doesn't know it, she still feels it in her heart. It's devastating
It is devastating and you have described him perfectly. There is a difference between loving someone and showing them you love them. (that is where the affection comes in) And he clearly had no real capacity to act in any loving way toward her w/ out dragging all his "issues" with her along for the ride (thereby destroying whatever chance he might have had to show her the love he felt) It is a very vicious cycle that once started can be very hard to break.
wonder what would have been the best thing for him to do? He could no more change himself than a leopard change his spots. How could he change his very thoughts? Accept her for what she was.... Again, I come back to the idea that for him to accept her, he would have to reject his wife's memory. He doesn't have room for both in his soul, they are at odds with each other, that memory and Catherine, and there is so little room inside him.
I think you have it. He truly seemed incapable of separating the two.. in HIS mind, he could not love her (w/ all her "faults" ) and still be true to the perfect ideal he had created of his wife. Very sad.
Maybe this is more key - it is that Catherine is not clever enough to make a good decision? He does feel responsible, and even protective, but is that really a slap in the face? Oh, the questions brought up when you start digging into his nature!
I think he did not believe she was capable of any sort of adult decision making whatsover. I imagine he did not even think her capable of understanding real love (like he had with his wife) so therefore it was his duty to protect her along with his money and good name) from her own foolishness. And so he did not take her affection for Morris seriously.
Worse still, I don't think he felt any other man could ever see her as worthy to be loved in a romantic way as well, because she was so "obviously inferior" (at least in his mind) So anyone who WOULD profess love for her would have likely been met with the worst sort of skepticism. And of course when someone so OBVIOUSLY in need of money as Morris showed up, her father just made up his mind based on all the "facts" he thought he already knew. (and he likely would have still thought them no matter if Morris had been a stand up guy or not) Because to him.. NO ONE could possibly love her and so if they were after her.. it was really HIS money and name they were after instead.
I think he saw her as this dull and uninteresting replacement for the wife he had loved and lost. And he loved her because she was his daughter, but had NO real belief in her ability to do more than just while away her time with her embroidery. And so he kept her (in his mind) right there.. just stitching away. I imagine he even likely encouraged her in it when she was younger. She was good at it, and it kept her busy so he did not have to interact with her. He more or less created her failings.. by his low expectation of her and for her.
And it really was sad because she was so eager to please him but he did not expect her to ever do anything that WOULD please him... so of course in his mind.. all she could do was fail. As far as he was concerned, her only true ability was to "embroider neatly" (UGH what a meanspirited moment THAT was when he told her that)
I don't think he gave her any credit for having any thoughts of her own about anything. I imagine he even thought her incapable of understanding (and even possibly feeling) anything deeper than the unimportant "phrases" she stitched on her canvas. What a sad way to "pigeon hole" your own child.
I DO feel some sympathy for him (in that I think he MIGHT have had a "I wish I could have loved her more" sort of change of heart near the end of his life) but OH what a lot of time he wasted in getting to that moment. Imagine how much different BOTH their lives could have been if he had only loved her for who she really was. It MIGHT have inspired her to overcome some of the many things he thought were failings in her character and personality (and perhaps even her appearance) but I don't think he was the sort of man who could let those barriers down.. perhaps he had been forced to be "perfect" as child too.. and he expected no less of his own child. (it really is a vicious cycle)
The Pirate Dude says:
Look at the way he reacts to her. ... He seems to me an absolutely loving father?Of course he might not have taken that tone if he knew what was coming
I might need to rewatch it all again myself, but I never got that sense from his tone in that part of the story. To me it is like he DOES know what is coming and he is just waiting for the right moment to lower the boom so to speak. He gives Morris just enough rope to hang himself and then whammo. I could be wrong because it has been a while since I saw the film and I don't have the DVD either so I am only working off of memory.. but to me he does not seem so much a loving father toward her at that moment but rather (almost) duplicitous instead. As in.. he was going to show her the cruel side of things (by putting what he was sure was Morris's false love for her to the test) but it did not pan out exactly the way he planned.. at least not right away. At any rate.. it goes back to what I was saying w/ Jackie.. he had NO expectation that she could truly comprehend romantic love between a man and a woman.. and that anyone else could FEEL that sort of love for her.. so mostly like there was NO one who would have met w/ his approval to marry her in the end, I think. At least not anyone so "purty" as Morris.
I am sort of skeptical about the thoughts you and Jackie were touching on w/ what IF she had married Morris.. would her father have EVENTUALLY come around to at least TOLERATE him (if not accept him)?
I don't know. I think he would NOT have allowed his daughter to fall into poverty. (that would be a reflection on HIM if nothing else) but I do think he'd have also cared what happened to HER too.. somewhere under all that pride. It is a hard call.. but it is fun to speculate on stuff like that.
Edited by: rohanaka on Dec 20, 2010 1:18 AM
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HELLO little darlin'!! I have not had the chance to even take a peek in this thread until today.. and LOOK what I found!! (yeehaw)
I just watched The Heiress again
OH I do so love that movie. WHAT a story. What an ending!! (what a piece of work that DAD was)
But then all of a sudden I read THIS: tried to look at it solely from Dr. Sloper's viewpoint
Well you had me hooked for SURE with that line, kiddo. And I LOVE the new perspective you have given him. There is a LOT to think about for sure and I am still mulling over some of your thoughts.
To me he always (always, always) was just so harsh and unforgiving that I found it very hard to come up with too much sympathy for him.. even as he lay dying and wishing for her to come to him. All I could think of then was he had reaped what he had sewn. But still.. it WAS pretty devastating to see her refuse him. And it absolutely tore me up thinking how hard her heart had become to end up w/ that as her final response to him. There was no turning back for her as a character once she'd allow herself to become him. Because in a way.. that is sort of how I always saw her after that.. which made me feel really good when I read this comment from you:
I have always thought that she turned into her father - a man who is only about 45 or 50, still in his prime, but who has shut out any hope of loving or being loved because of a tragedy so very long ago... her tongue is wicked, just as her father's was in that moment of truth. Isn't it odd that they end the same way, even though she hates him to his core? It's ironic.
It IS ironic and I think you have it exactly she right. She was not kidding when she said she had been taught by masters. The student had become the master now. VERY tragic.
Still, you have given me a LOT to think on because having said all that I have.. I DO agree with you that the father did have love for her in his heart.. somewhere. Love yes.. but no real affection for her. So his love came out in a harsh and unfeeling tone.
He was just so hardened by his own grief (at the loss of his wife) and his own self absorbed focus on what HE thought Catherine should be like that he had no capacity for truly showing her whatever love he had for her in his heart.
I think he did want to protect HER as much as his money and name in preventing her from marrying Morris, but even that at best just played out like a criticism of her "foolishness" rather than an act of fatherly love.
A very sad character indeed.. and I DO see how it could be easy to have sympathy for him in rethinking some of the motivations he may have had. Thanks for bringing all this up, little gal!
PS: Mr Pirate!! I am w/ Jackie.. I would be interested in hearing your take on Olivia as well.. this is just about my fave film for her, for sure.
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Hiya Mr. Movieman, sir!! Nice to see you too!
I have to confess that 3G would not be at (or even necessarily near) my tippy top fave for either Ford or Wayne.. but I do love to watch it. (so I am sure I would rank it much higher than you did) I think for me it just boils down to the whole "three men and a baby" scenario.. especially three despardos and a baby. I guess I am just a softie that way... ha. OH that litlle Robert William Pedro.. ha. WHAT a cutie he was.
PS I am looking forward to the Duke Day Film Fest/Bake Off this coming week that we talked about back in Westerns, Ha. I will be the one with the flour spattered shirt (because I am likely among the worlds messiest bakers, ha) and cookie dough on my breath (because I never CAN resist licking the spoon when I am baking, HA)
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Thanks again for searching out and posting all the great pics, Mr. In Hollywood! I have not had a chance to look in here the last week or so.. I see I have a LOT of catching up to do, but OH these last few here are gorgeous!Breathtaking stuff, to be sure. Love the Oz ones, especially. :-)
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Hellooooooo Mr. Grey!
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> I'm not sure of what you speak about with Ford's directorial style and the close-ups. I was introduced to Ford on this board and I find his directing style to be highly unobtrusive. He's mostly a western painter. His visuals tend to be from a distance but his emotions are up close, and it's because he often uses gestures to express emotions. Ford won't have a character say, "I want you" or "I need you" or "I love you." There is a great fear to saying those words. So, instead, what Ford does is have the characters say those words with their gestures. They are wearing their words.
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> I'd call Ford a subtle director. The most showy he will be is with the Monument Valley visuals. The rest of the time, he's creatively subtle. I consider him to be the most emotional director I've encountered. That's what has shocked me and impressed me with Ford.
Oh my golly.. are you sure your name is Frank Grimes?????????
That was so well said, my Grey friend. And (ugh) I hate to admit it but I agree with every word! I too have come to a much greater appreciation of Ford and his films from the many chats on this board and also from having the opportunity to view many of his films over the last couple of years (some I had never even heard of until I started hanging out here) I have a long way to go before I can even begin to reach the level of knowledge some folks have on this message board, but I truly do enjoy learning what I can about this man and his films.
And another thing I really HATE having to admit (at least to YOU, ha) would be that one of the things I have come to discover about him is that many of his protagonists tend to lean more to the Grey side (as in not really completely BAD, or even completely GOOD, but perhaps a true mix of both, sometimes) In fact, it truly surprises me when I sit back and think on it how many of his characters would fit that description, so it is no wonder that you (O great Guru of all things Gray/Grey) are enjoying so many of his films, yourself.
I must confess that I like that we are not always going to see his characters make a GOOD choice every time. But having said that, very often their situations DO tend to lean more to the black and white. And yet we are not so much told how to think from watching his films. He doesn't always tell us outright (or beat us over the head with a heavy moral lesson) what the right choice is, but more it seems to be understood what is the right choice for his characters to make. (and perhaps that part satisfies the "black and white" gal in ME, ha)
And (ugh.. painful confession #3 for me) I find (at least sometimes) the most entertaining part (or maybe a better word is intriguing) is the journey those characters take to GET to those decisions...such as Ethan Edwards in the Searchers. OH my golly did he ever take his time coming around to the right choice.. and likely did not even MAKE the right choice until he was confronted with it face to face. But we all knew what we WANTED him to do long before he did it. And it made for a very intriguing tale to be sure.
> And it was Ford's films that made me see how good an actor John Wayne was. I only thought of Wayne as someone who barked at people. Well, he does do this with Ford, but he silently speaks just as much. It's a remarkable meshing of the two.
You know how much I love to see you saying that, ha, but then I have always enjoyed the Duke for as long as I can recall. But I agree that watching him in the many Fordies (especially) I have come to truly appreciate his (all to often overlooked) ability as an actor even more than before.
Though I am likely the least knowledgeable person here regarding Ford, he seemed to have a way of bringing out the best in many of his actors, and Wayne certainly was no exception.
> I haven't seen 3 Godfathers, so I can't help you with that one. Maybe I'll watch that one this week
I TRIPLE dog dare ya.
I L-O-V-E love that movie. Though I do confess it might not be TOTALLY up your alley, I would say that the Duke's character in this one fits all that I described earlier.. a very Gray/Grey guy who is faced with a black and white choice.. and spends the balance of the movie deciding what is the right thing to do.
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THE KENTUCKIAN
Will have to add that one to may "check it out" list sometime, kiddo. Sounds like it could be worth looking into.. even despite my usual and customary "avoid Burt" sort of attitude, ha.
two qualities I don't associate with Burt
Hmmm.. maybe that is why I have usually not found him to my liking (much) Though I do admit he has had a few films I enjoyed.. I REALLY liked him a lot in The Killers. Ah, that poor "Swede" (he did something wrong.. once.) :-) Will have to check out this film you've suggested here, if only to give him another shot sometime. (no pun intended) ha. (did I mention.. Ah, that poor Swede?)
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Hi Miss G...
how unusual they had the long voyage home on tape! It's not exactly one of the most well known
movies
It was actually a DVD... and you could have just about knocked me over with a feather when he told me that he had that one (because he and his whole family tend to lean more toward the westerns if nothing else) He and his wife like The Duke and Cooper. But it is funny because they have three teenage boys.. and each boy likes someone different.. One likes the Duke, another is a Coop Fan.. and the third leans more toward Jimmy Stewart.
Most of our collections are pretty similar (in that we tend to have most of the "better known" titles for those three actors.. but he does have a few I do not.. and I have a few he does not have.. so we do sometimes trade. And we were just standing around last week after church gabbing about movies and the subject came up of how much I enjoy our chats here on all a things Fordian.. and I mentioned that there were a few films I had yet to find that I really was wanting to see...and that was one of them... and lo and behold.. the rest is history, ha. It was a fun surprise.
yes, is it ever depressing...but it's Eugene O'Neill...heaaaaveeeey.
It was almost overwhelming sometimes (like the scene where they are reading Smitty's letters and you can see the shame in his eyes.. as he is helpless to stop them... HEARTBREAKING. And yet overall.. it was NOT so depressing as to weigh me down to the point I could not keep on watching. I was LITERALLY on the edge of my seat waiting to see who (if anyone) was going to end up on the BAD ship at the end.. alas... I liked the ending w/ the newspaper washing away.. (sniff.. sniff..) It was a good way to tell the final outcome of that situation.
John Wayne is very sweet and I even think his accent isn't half bad
Ha.. he was such a cutie. His accent sort of came and went.. but the scene he had with Mildred (where he had the most dialogue) was pretty good.
That was Mildred Natwick's screen debut
I did not know that. She was younger than I had ever seen here, though so that would make sense. Usually she plays such regal "lady" sorts. (or tough old broads, sometimes too, ha) It was interesting to see her in a much "less proper" sort of role. I say again.. what a pathetic sort... to the point of being sympathetic. And OH.. I wanted her to stand up and do the right thing (and get him out of there) I felt so sorry for her. But she just didn't have it in her, did she?
I love Arthur Shieds' what do they call him? The "Donkey Man"
Ha.. I have to confess.. I never COULD figure out what they were calling him. Some of the accents were so heavy I had trouble understanding them sometimes. But he was a great character.. sort of the wise old voice of reason among the men.
Beautiful black and white cinematography
OH the use of shadows was brilliant.. and the lighting (or shading) on each man's face for the close up's too (depending on the moment) Very nicely filmed.
PS: Jackie.. I just saw your post.. ha.. speaking of making up "scenarios" I kept waiting for him to come swimming up along side the boat (because he jumped ship and escaped) and then.. alas.. they had to show that rotten NEWSPAPER at the end.. sigh..
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Ro, you are so sweet
Shhh.. Pirate Dude.. you will ruin my "Peacemaker" image. HA. ;-)
PS Mr. Movieman... I'd be there in a heartbeat with chocolate chip cookies
Yum... my fave! (and DO bring your lovely bride as well, cookies or not..you'd BOTH be most welcome!)
PS: Ladies.. thanks for reminding me of the kitty!!! (I had completely forgotten him) Ah.. TWE.. now THAT is a story and ramble well remembered.
OH.. and despite the fact it is not a western.. all this FORD/DUKE talks reminds me that I keep meaning to bring up ( but keep forgetting to mention) that a friend of ours at church is a classic movie buff too, and we got to discussing Ford/Duke, etc.. and how much we all enjoy his movies here.. and come to find out.. our friend had a copy of.. THE LONG VOYAGE HOME (which is one of two Fordies I have been wanting to see for a LONG time and had not come across yet) woo hoo.
So of COURSE I had to borrow it.. and of course I had to watch it. Ha.. I didn't even make it 24 hours after I got it home before I had to put it in and see what it was all about. I sort of already knew SOME of the plot, but had not really read TOO much on it, as I wanted to see for myself. I am glad to have caught it, though I confess.. it's kinda depressing... but still a good story, overall.
Alas.. poor Wardie Bond.. poor Thomas Mitchell... (poor Mildred, even.. what a sympathetic, pathetic sort of gal)
And OH that Duke.. (I was not used to seeing him as "the kid") What a pup! Very sweet.
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Warlock is coming on Tuesday, Dec 7 at 8pm EST
That is one I have heard of (from others) but have not seen, myself. I am going to be busy that evening w/ about 30 little girls at a scouting event.. but I will try to set the VCR before I go!
And RE:
I'm a little worried about the "teetotalling" thing
Ha.. well, my friend surely we can work SOMETHING out.. (because alas we are a totally teetotaling house) but hmm.. let's see...
We can leave it as a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of thing. ha, and I promise not to do any sort of breath "sniff" check when you show up (if you decide to take Miss G up on her offer or try some of Jackie's Rum Truffles,) because you HAVE to be there.. it would JUST not be the same w/ out you.
Oh boy.. I can picture it now.. there you three will be with your rosey cheeks and these big GRINS on your faces and you'll all be singing a cheerful tune at the tops of your lungs.. and see, I will just think it is because your hearts are warm and all aglow w/ the holiday spirit and the smell of cookies in the air.. ha. :-)
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We need to plan our viewing
Well.. since I am out here in the middle, right smack between all you folks (ha... think of me as the "cheese" in our little East Coast/West Coast sandwich.. HA) everybody just come on over to my house and we'll have a "Duke Day Film Fest". We can drink "teetotaling" egg nog and we'll bake cookies while we watch (and then we can have one of those "cookie trade" things going on afterward where we all get to share and take home what we made.. ha..
OH.. and lest you think I am only talking to the gals.. Guys... you can come as well... and bring your recipes... because real men CAN bake cookies TOO, ya know.
Only.. ugh. I just thought of this... NOBODY tell the Grey Dude. If HE shows up he will try to pawn off some sort of Sawdust and SaurKraut cookie on us and THEN we'd all be DOOMED!! HA.
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OH.. and PS: (because I just have not blabbed enough already.. HA)
Here's my for sure: SWAYR, Rio Grande, The Searchers (I'll curious to see if I do better with this one), 3 Godfathers, and yes, True Grit, a movie I haven't seen
You are really going all out, sir. I am proud of you for not just "dipping you toe" in the Western waters.. ha. You are diving in headlong for sure.
Those are all among my more favorite Duke Westerns. (The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Stagecoach, Hondo, and Big Jake, and Rio Bravo would round out the list as well) As for the Searchers.. now THAT one is likely my most fave of his westerns (and likely my most FAVE Fordie western too) but honestly. it goes back and forth between TMWSLV depending on what mood I am in, ha) And Ethan Edwards had to be one of Wayne's most complex and thought-provoking characters ever, so I will be interested to hear your thoughts for sure.
At any rate... I hope you enjoy the film fest, sir. And I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on ALL of them in fact (ha.. boy are YOU going to be busy. ha) I am especially interested in hearing your thoughts on TG, since you have not seen it. Now I have to say, it is a MUCH "bolder and brasher" sort of Duke.. (and may not be as much to your liking if you were more into the earlier westerns) but I truly LOVE his performance in this film... absolutely NOTHING subtle about it.. (unlike some of his other roles we have discussed) but truly entertaining.
Edited by: rohanaka on Dec 4, 2010 1:21 PM (because HOW could I have forgotten to list Rio Bravo???????????)
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Breathtaking, Ms Favell.. give me sentimental ANY day. (and you gals are right. that DOES look a bit like Francis )