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I don't even remember any of that! I thought she was boring. Give me Dolly (Louise Glaum)
OH golly.. it is getting late and I am an OLD woman.. and so now you have me wondering if I am making it all up in my MIND. ha. (wouldn't be the first time..and I may need to go back and look at it all again) But TRULY that is how I am remembering her.
And PS: Dolly?? tsk tsk... talk about "duplicitous. Ok.. so maybe she was more "coniving" than dishonest.. but SHE will only lead you down the path of destruction for sure, ha. She had her job description down pat. Surely you can do better than that.. I thought you liked your "lambie" sorts of gals. To me.. Faith (at least the way I am remembering her) was a "lambie". But maybe just not as "lovely" a lamb as your sweet Grace.
He wants to impress her, so he does look to change for her. That is very sweet of him. But he pretty much did a 180 by just seeing her. It was immediate
Well, this is likely one of those times where we are just not going to see it the same way no matter what. But in all fairness I SHOULD go back and watch again to refresh my memory.
But I will also ask if you really think that the sorts of changes that came over him early on would have been lasting ones if the story had ended right there.. with him having a "love at first sight" moment with her.. and just wanting to impress her by not being a "bad guy" any more?
I don't.
At that point, I do not think there was any sort of change in him that would have made a long lasting permanent difference in terms of who he was DEEP down inside. And the reason I say that is the sort of things he did and said after that part (where he first "defends" her. That may have been what started it all, but it took TIME for him to reason out all the things he saw in who she was (not just that first meeting with her) And I believe it takes time for most people to reason out the sorts of changes that TRULY change ones life. (Though not always. There may be a "bolt of lightening" moment for some people (like in the film Sgt York.. where Alvin gets knocked off that mule LITERALLY by a bolt of lightening and becomes a new man on the spot) But I did not see THAT sort of repentant heart in Hart's character until MUCH later in the story.
And again.. that is just my opinion.. so take it for what it is worth. (and since I already know you see it differenlty I know it is not likely worth much, but I will get over it). HA.
All kidding aside, that again is to me one of the fun things about movie discussions like this. We can all bring our thoughts and points of view to the table.. and we may all see things our own way.. but it is still fun to discuss it back and forth and maybe get to understand the characters and story from a different point of view. (And then after that... I get to stick you with my hat pin, HA)
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Howdy Mr. Grey...
I also watched Ride Lonesome. While the Boetticher westerns have fallen in the "middle" on my favorites list, I really like them
Golly.. you are really going to town with all your movie watching young'un. Very impressive. This has been a banner year for you, ha. I like that you have been getting so involved w/ so many different types of movies too. Way cool. (I need to check out RL myself, by the way)
liked the end, primarily the sweetness of Blaze. I also liked the burning of the church and saloon. As Jackie said, those visuals were on the shocking side. But I really wasn't into the first two acts
I think it likely is just a matter of personal taste. I did not mind a lot of the themes in the early part of the film.. and I especially liked the struggling moments w/ the sister and her heartfelt desire to both serve God and help her brother too. I found her to be a vey inspiring character. I did not find her "Pollyanna-ish" or "Goody Goody" the way a lot of "good girls" are often played in stories like this.
Instead she was very strong.. and VERY committed to a cause she believed in with her whole heart and she gave all her soul, mind, and strength toward it and she did not give in to what most people might have felt afraid of if they had been in similar circumstances. Anyway.. that is how I am remembering her.. The scenes that leaned a bit heavier on her real faith were used quite well as a contrast with her brother's false faith and I thought this to be one of the strong suits of the early parts of the movie. But again.. it is likely a matter of what sorts of characteristics one finds appealing in a main character or in a story for that matter.
As for Hart.. I don't quite see his "change of heart" as being so immediate as you do. True.. he did do an "about face" in terms of what he initially set out to do pretty quickly, and I think that is because he STARTED to change when SHE got his attention. He may have had a desire in his heart for HER.. but it was not a complete change of mind and heart and purpose (in terms of who he was a person) yet. All those things that "changed" for him early on are not the same as the other, deeper changes that came over him (both emotionally and spiritually) toward both her.. and God... later on in the story. Those deeper more permanent differences in his character were not so immediate (as I recall) and they became a gradual thing for him as the story went on.
And again.. this is just how I am remembering it.. it has been just long enough since I watched it all that I might be "off" a bit.. but that is how it seems to me looking back on it all.
I would be constantly sitting in the "sin bin" in your class!
NO such thing.. ha. I am SURE you would be RIGHT at home w/ the rest of our "little darlin's"
(and PS: all kidding aside, VERY rarely do we EVER have to "get tough" with our bunch of young'uns in that class. MOST of them are well behaved.. ha. But once in a while one of them will have a "moment" and then they have to go sit in the grown up class w/ mom or dad.) But oh.. I just thought of something.. you'd NEVER last in our Sunday School class... ha.You'd have to go sit with the grown ups anyway.. ha. We do NOT have "sawdust" or saur kraut cookies fo snack time. Only Teddy Grahams.
:p I thought the lines were clearly drawn and a little cartoonish. But the violence surprised me
It is true that there was not much "grey" with any of these characters. But I do not see their "black and whiteness' as cartoonish. Again, I think for the time this film was made.. it was very evenly set (in terms of how the characters were presented) We were not supposed to have to "figure them out" so much as figure out what they were going next to do based on what we already knew about who they were. That is sometimes a nice way to tell a story too. Although I do admit.. (even if a bit grudginly, ha) that SOMETIMES it does help a story to have to "wonder" about a character (in terms of their moral fiber and how that will affect the choices they make) Both ways of telling a story are entertaining IF you have well thought out and interesting characters to work with.
I didn't view him as a nasty sinner. But I guess since he was to be the most faithful, he was not to be tempted. We was just weak, that's all
His biggest "sins" were not his outward acts. They were INSIDE his duplicitous heart. He PRETENDED to be one thing but was REALLY something else altogether. (And what he PRETENDED to be was WAY too important to just let him get away with acting any old way he pleased when no one was looking) That to me made him FAR worse in deed than the "Hell-towners" They were OPENLY sinful and very depraved but they really only had THEMSELVES to answer to and for (at least on an earthy level). But aside from being a preacher and responsible to God.. HE was responsible to his flock, and his church leaders, his sister AND even the townspeople whom he had gone to witness and minister to. He had the greater burden of responsibility so he had the greater guilt.
I really didn't have a problem with Bob. His family and the Church elders knew what he was yet they let him continue. They basically knew he was going to fail. They failed him
I do agree with you.. both his mother AND the church leaders who sent him there let him down. They (the leaders) even let down the people of that town. They lost sight of their own responsibility and did not care about what was best for him or for the town.. only about how to keep him from being an embarrassment to them. That is a HUGE "flaw" in their thinking and their actions really do make them at least somewhat accountable on a certain level for all the wrong deeds HE committted as well.
Really only his sister seemed to have the right perspective as far as what they were SUPPOSED to be there for. She took her responsibilities to God, her brother, the church, and that town all very seriously. And again, I think she truly was an inspiring character in that regard.
I was going to write that 3 Bad Men is a happy ending with me, but there's a lot of tragedy, so I just couldn't call it happy. The ending to both films is hopeful more so than happy. Nothing wrong with that.
That is a great way to say it (hopeful) and I agree.. both films end that way (though the endings are not really similar otherwise) Nice catch.
Edited by: rohanaka on Oct 11, 2010 11:09 PM
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And now I have
Well aren't YOU Mister Busy Guy..ha. I
am glad you got a chance to watch it. Hope you have a few more comments for us, but from what I read so far, it sounds like a mixed review from you. (I am such a lousy "pegger" when it comes to trying to imagine whether you will like a movie or not) but from what I read it sounds like there were parts you did enjoy. (Whew.. I am glad it was not a total loss.... shades of MCLINTOCK!! ha) :-)
SPOILERS UnHINGED:
The ending saves the film for me
Now see.. that was a suprise for me to read... ha. It ends on a "positve" note so I figured that would be your biggest complaint.
I thought I was back in Sunday school. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Ha... on behalf of Sunday School Teachers everywhere.. I can only say.. "OH come on now, and snap out of it, and just settle yourself down.":p (That is what I tell the "unruly" little boys in the kindergarten Sunday School class each week and.. gee.. it USUALY does the trick, ha. Maybe because THEY know how to listen. For you.. I am sure we will have to break out the hat pin or something. HA)
I do agree that there were some pretty strong "faith" themes in the film.. but I really did not feel like they were all as heavy handed as they MIGHT have been given the time this movie was made. Truly I felt you got a GOOD mix of "saints" and "sinners" and their differing points of view with this story.
Admittedly, it WAS pretty clear who the "good and bad" guys were in this story..but I liked that the BIGGEST "sinner" of all was the one who SHOULD have been the most reliable and faithful.. and he paid a HUGE price for it in the end.
And RE: Hart's character.. the turn around for him, to ME, was very moving..and pretty well paced. It is not like one of those "instant" Christian moments where he just turned over a whole new leaf out of the blue. It took him a while. and it was a gradual thing. And the screen cap you posted of him praying is one of my fave parts. I really like how he ends up praying FOR her (as in "for her welfare and happiness" rather than his selfish way of praying "for" her earlier on.. as in.. wanting her for himself) It showed how far he'd finally travelled (in terms of who he was as a person) from what he started out like early on in the film. (But then you know me.. ha. I am a sucker for a good old fashioned repentance story)
Once they killed the parson (Jack Standing) and torched the church, I was into the film
That was SOMETHING, wasn't it. Oh, that brother was such a piece of work.. I say again,, he paid HUGE price. A very tragic end to his tale to be sure.
Edited by: rohanaka on Oct 11, 2010 7:47 PM
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Oh golly.. I am with Miss G and Jackie..ha I yield to all the superior list making skills on this thread. ha. WAY cool lists Mr. Movieman and FXReyman too.
Golly I am going to have to look into some of these titles and likely there will be a HUGE revision in my wanna see list (because I don't just have a "I wish I owned that movie" list. ha. My WANNA see list is THE list I really am most interested in crossing off..ha.
And I have to say (just from hanging arournd with you folks) that you would NOT believe the number of titles that I have been able to "X" off of my "Wanna See" list and have since added many of them over onto my "Favorites" list, ha.
But doggone it.. ha. JUST when I think I am getting ahead and my Wanna See's start to "dwindle" down to a comfortable size..ha. THEN you folks come along w/ your LISTS and I have to start all over again. ha. OH what WONDERFUL dilema to have, for sure, ha.
PS: Chris.. since yours are in ABC order.. I willl ask.. (maybe you have posted this already and I just did not see it) Which are your top 5 or so favorites??
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And I love the music from most all of them
Oh yeah.. nearly all of them are just terrific (though I can't say for sure about the more recent Bond themes since I have not seen any of the newer movies)
I think Live and Let Die is probably my fave Bond song.. and it is probably my fave Bond movie as well... but truthfully..I can't tell you why.. ha. I think I may have seen it a few more times than some of the others because it used to get played on TV a lot. But it MIGHT be more because of the song than anything else. ha. (And truthfully.. there may be a different Bond movie that I like better but just can't remember it. It has been SO many years since I saw any of them, I may have forgotten one).
I think though (as much as it pains me to admit it, ha) I am more of a "Roger Moore" Bond gal I guess.. ha. (though I DO like a lot of the Connery ones too)
I much prefer Connery as an actor, but I think I lean more towards Moore as Bond because I guess I just watched MOST of his first as a teenager (because that is what they showed more of on TV and at the movie theaters back then). And so I saw the Connery ones much later on.. but by then I already had a different mental image of James Bond pretty much locked into my mind and it just sort of stuck there, I guess. ha.
OH.. and getting back to the music.. I mentioned that LALD is my fave theme.. and I think that is true.. because I DO believe I like it best of all... except for maybe.. the actual BOND THEME itself.(Oh my golly! I LOVE that guitar.. and those blaring horns. ha.)
Whoa baby.
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I thought he was a favorite of yours!
Of course he is.. in some sort of WHACKED out topsy turvey alternative UNIVERSE or something. Ha.
You should come up with your 20 favorite westerns. And I don't care if it's all Wayne and Ford
Oh brother.. I am LOUSY at list making (as you well know) but truly..ha. The top 7 or 8 on the list I already posted are pretty close to being in the right order. I'll think about it.. tomorrow..ha. Because.. afterall...
You think I'd like it? Hmmmmmmmmm... that's a good tease. It's not that long, so I should be able to watch it this week.
OH great.. ha.. now you are going to hate it for SURE
(no.. I don't really think that) Truly.. I will be surprised if you don't at least like it somewhat. I think it has a good portion of "dark" and "grit" and "cynicism" mixed with some other REALLY powerful (yet more "postive") themes as well. (and I would say more but don't want to give it away) So I will look forward to hearing your thoughts. I do not know for SURE how far back you have to go to find the chat we had on it.. but as I recall it was sometime this past spring maybe.. and I think most of the folks who watched found it very favorable. (but that is NOT always an indicator of whether someone else will like it either, ha. So you will have to watch for yourself and then let me know)
I love Forty Guns
Blah.. ha. (though I guess I SHOULD be honest... ha. I only tried watching this movie one time..and fell asleep.. but I remember thinking (about the parts I DID watch) that it was NOT my cup 'o tea. ha. Maybe to be FAIR, I should re-check it out of the library sometime and give it another chance.. nah... (ha)
I will just wait until it shows on TCM again and try to give it another chance.. maybe....PS: Miss G:
Mmmmmm...you're making me hungry! It sounds absolutely delicious. Especially if ribs are on the menu. I love ribs and a good, home-made hamburger
Ribs and burgers are DEFINITELY on the menu. ha. (and chicken too, ha) And PS: I like my BBQ sauce sweet and tangy.. (but not TOO sweet) But we can have a variety sampler (in case you or Jackie have a different opinion on that) ha.
SO are you going to post the DVD-R list TOO??? I bet that one IS a mile long, ha.I imagine it is really nice to be able to just push a button (or something like that) and make those recordings. That would be a dream come true for me. ha. (my old vcr is NOT as good a recorder as I would like for it to be.. and I am out of NEW VHS tapes..and am down to recording OVER and over the old ones. ha. (Someday I will step into the 21st century and get myself one of those fancy DVD recorder doo-dads, ha. But TODAY is not that day, ha)
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May I just say WOWSA!! ha. Some great images here, little lady. I ESPECIALLY like the black and white group pic from Red River. Oh.. ha.. and of course the one w/ Frank Grimes in the background..ha. That WAS from the last necktie party.. and HA!
And PS: it is a "rope" celebration w/ that Hang Em High poster in there too. ha. You are a rope slingin' gal after my own heart! ha. -
Yeehaw, Miss G!! If I am reading your list right.. the "bold" numbers you have listed out to the side indicate your #1-10 favorites.. and I DID guess right, ha. I was pretty sure you had TMWSLV in that #1 spot.
You have a great collection, kid. I bet it was a lot of work getting all those titles. I see a LOT of my "dream" films on there, ha.
Once you are up and ready to go.. be sure to bring them on down when you come for the BBQ.. ha. German Potato salad AND some good old Western flicks.. now THAT will be a good time for SURE! ha. (oh golly... wouldn't it be fun if we really COULD have a "film fest" BBQ?? ha.. It has been WAY so very long since I got to sit down and and enjoy some really good westerns.. Oh.. AND almost as long since I had some good BBQ too.. (and GOLLY.. I even LIVE in one of the BIG "BBQ" regions of the country too.. so how sad is THAT?? ha) Oh boy.. do I ever sound pathetic, ha. :-)
Oh..and by the way.. the big suprise for me on your list was your #5 choice (The Far Country) I did not realize that one was so high "up there" in your esteem. It is a great film though, so I should not be SO suprised. (oh golly.. that Walter Brennan.. sniff, sob) ha.
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AAGGGH. Grey Guy... what are you trying to do?? Give me NIGHTMARES?? Posting that pic of UGH.. that awful FRANK guy. ha. Great.. NOW I am going to have to break out the PEPTO for sure just so I can fall asleep.. ICK!
I'm the one with the varied tastes around here, that's how! My list isn't just Ford and Wayne!
That's true. You do have quite the "variety" and you are DEFINITLY not predictable.. except in how UNpredictable some of your choices are. ha.
I am definitely more set in my ways..ha. I DO like my Duke and Ford, ha. But I also like a LOT of non-Fordie/non-Duke Westerns though my list does not reflect that as much.. (especially if you look at the top 12 or so) because I was only making a list of movies that I actually own... and I do tend to try and get my faves (if I am going to go out and buy a movie) But I am sure my list WOULD look different.. somewhere after maybe.. say.. #8 or 9 if I were making a list STRICTLY of favorites ( both those I own.. and those I only dream of, ha)
No, I didn't watch that one. I now have it on DVD, though
Well now THERE is your next assignment, mister. (sometime when you get the chance) Do not let that one get lost in your "dust laden" mountainous pile of unwatched movies. (HA!)
It is really a great film.. I am SO glad Jackie brought it to our attention on the message board here. And I remember thinking that it would be one you would really like (but then again, I STINK at "pegging" you sometimes, so WHO knows, ha. You are MUCH better at guessing movies that I will like.. but as we have already established.. ha.... I am MUCH more set in my ways than you, ha) my top twenty
That is some list, sir. I am really impressed at how WELL you have taken to the Western world considering you have said that it was NEVER something you were interested in until the last several years..
So ok.. ha. I guess you will ALWAY have a special place in your heart for Once Upon a Time in the Pass the Pepto PLEASE.. ha...
But....
10. Forty Guns
11. The Searchers
19. The Ox-Bow Incident
#10.... ahead of 11 AND 19?? REALLY??????????????????????????? Oh good gravy.. ha. What, oh WHAT are we going to do w/ you???????
And PS... I can KID you about all this because I KNOW you know I am kidding... ha. One thing I will ALWAYS say when it comes to picking favorites is that EVERYBODY has a right to their own choices. ha. GOOD gravy.. movies are NOTHING if not subjective and I LOVE to watch and see how many different (but also the same) choices often turn up when the lists start getting put together.
But in the meantime, ha, having said all that, it will NOT stop me from giving you grief (becase what would be the fun in THAT???) HA!
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I really dislike watching FORT APACHE. It's one of those great films that I just can't stand watching much - because Fonda's such a great jerk
Ollie, Ollie, Ollie.. what ARE we going to do with you?? ha. Don't MAKE me have to break out my frozen rope now.
I mean.. you MAY have your little dolls w/ all those pins... but I have an entire ARSENAL as you may know.. and so far I have given you the benefit of the doubt because I can't always tell when you are serious and when you are being a smartie.. HA! But buddy.. pal... friend o' mine.... you JUST can't go throwing those sorts of phrases (like how you "dislike watching Fort Apache") around that way.. even in jest.. ha. The GREY Guy will seize on them and then before you know it.... World War III.
Oh golly.. just thinking about it... I'd better go check my rope supplies and sharpen my hat pin (oh.. and loosen the chain on my giant octopus too) just to be on the safe side.) Ha. Oh..and PS: I TOTALLY agree w/ you about Fonda's Thursday.. ha. NOBODY ought to be THAT good at playing someone THAT awful. ha.
Edited by: rohanaka on Oct 9, 2010 8:55 PM
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Ah ha.. True Grit..ha. Thanks Ms Cutter.. that is one that should also be high up on the "dream list" of movies I LOVE but only wish I owned... oh yea.. and High Noon too) sigh. (See Miss Maven.. I did say I could go on and on and on... ) ha.
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Oh golly, Miss Maven, I pale in comparison to many collectors on this board... I have such a puny list, ha.
In answer to your question... if I could own my "dream list" ha.. let's see.. I'd START by wishing for a copy of Shepherd of the Hills.. OH my golly.. I have only seen the END of this movie.. and never seen it all the way through.
But I would also love to get my hands on a copy of several others.. I do not have Red River, My Darling Clementine, The OxBow Incident, How the West Was Won, or The Big Country (just to name a few) and those are all films that I have seen and enjoyed very much. (I COULD go on and on...and ON, by the way, ha.)
I could also stand a copy of some of the early Ford Westerns (that I have yet to see) I am SO very glad to have 3 Bad Men, but I know there are a few others.. namely The Iron Horse that I would like to get. And while I am on Ford.. I wouldn't mind getting BETTER copies of the three Cavalry movies (Ft Apache, Rio Grande and SWAYR) those are ones I only have on VHS and the tapes are pretty bad.. I taped all three of them on USED old worn out vhs tapes, ha, so the sound is poor and the picture is jumpy from time to time. (But HEY.. at least I have them! ha)
I need to just get OVER my "technophobia" and give in to the whole temptation of online ordering. ha. I am SURE that would open up a whole new WORLD of possibilities for me. But THEN I'd be bankrupt. ha. (I would likely be like a kid in a candy store, ha)
Oh well.. if we always had EVERYTHING we ever wanted.. wouldn't life be boring??? It's nice to have a dream now and then. :-) (Oh.. and by the way, I also only dream about a full time housekeeper... especially on days like TODAY!! But since THAT is not going to happen I better get a move on.. the kitchen floor is calling my name! ha)
Edited by: rohanaka on Oct 9, 2010 1:31 PM
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The Quiet Man (1952) Denmark
Talk about eye popping use of color!! Woo hoo!
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HELLLLLLLO darlin' Miss G:
have quite a few on dvd-r and DVD, as you guessed, and am currently updating my looooong list. I hope to have it done soon. And no, I won't bother with even trying to list all the ones I've actually seen, my memory isn't good enough for that! And I may just put the total number down, rather than try to list each title I own.
I can just imagine it is a DOOZY of a list, youngun'. If you decide to only list just the final total.. I hope you will at least let me know what is your most FAVE Western dvd (among all the others) that you own that you would turn to FIRST... if you were in the mood to watch a good one. I THINK I can guess.. but do not want to. ha. (My "pegging" skills are NOT as good as some folks around here and knowing my luck.. I'd miss it by a mile, ha)
I'm impressed with YOUR list, because you have a really nice spectrum of A to B titles in your collection. I have the same Duke 25 Pack, and I think Chris and Grimes do, too.
Ha. don't be TOO impressed, ha. I have some pretty "scroungy" copies.. a lot of the ones I have are really bad VHS home made tapes. But I am at least glad to have them anyway. MOST of my TRULY fave westerns I have finally managed to get a copy of.. but some I still do not have. And OH I just have SO many titles that I do NOT own yet that my list (in order of preference) REALLY is not as accurate (in terms of my fave westerns overall) the further down on it you go. sigh... someday maybe..
It's fun to see so many of the same ones on all our lists
Ha.. western minds think alike!
I was also curious to see where Stagecoach would land on various lists.
I have to say this film is only one I REALLY have gotten to love in the last few years. I don't really have a reason why.. but mainly because I just had not really remembered it (except for that GREAT shot of the Duke standing in the road w/ his shotgun as the stage coach approaches) It was a LONG long time between my early memories of this movie and my more recent ones and that is likely the main reason for me that I did not rate it higher until recently. But I DO love it. And PS: I bet that new DVD is a thing of beauty!
You and Fred have inspired me to order that Western Pack with Canyon Passage and The Texans
Woohoo.. we can watch together.. at our BIG BBQ bash. ha. And PS.. we will just WAIT for that potato salad youngun'. I know it is NOT fun waiting and waiting for things like that.. but as the old witch said..ha.. "all in good time, my pretty!" (ha.)
Soon it will all be a memory and THEN we can have a great big potato salad FEAST! ha. (and PS if I remember right.. we were going to DRAGGGGGGGGGGG out making the stuff anyway (to give ourselves PLENTY of time to sit around and watch more movies..ha). So by the time we gals get all those potatoes PEELED.. by THEN you will be back in business and we can munch to our hearts delight!!
PS: Jackie...
Ro - I have to clarify for you - I DO NOT own all those movies! Good Lord, I'd be BURIED if I did - those are actually all the westerns I've ever seen.
Well duh.. ha. My mistake. But still.. it is GOOD to see so many fun (and interesting) titles on your list.. and YOU have really given ME some good recommendations since you started dipping your toesies in the "western waters" ha. So I am glad you came over to the "cow town" part of the world, ha.
I also like that you place Fort Apache high up on your list. I really like that one too.
It is another one that I honestly had LITTLE memory for until recent years. I always liked it..but only RECENTLY after veiwing it in the last few years and gabbing and blabbing about it here have I truly come to enjoy it as much as I do now. It is a great story. (OH that Thursday..ha. WHAT a piece of work! ha)
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Hiya Jackie.. I am IMPRESSED that you have such a nice long list little youngun, (especially since you are a "western newbie!) I think you have put ME to shame, ha. So PLEASE bring that potato and come on down, little Missy!!
And PS: Miss G.. GERMAN potato salad would be MOST welcome ha so PLEASE feel free to join in.. (see.. I NEVER forget the IMPORTANT stuff, ha) :-) So OK, if I have read through these lists right, these are not necessarily ALL the westerns that folks have SEEN, but just films that you OWN either on DVD or VHS. (I hope I have that right)
And now you have all inspired me, ha. (even your short but SWEET list Miss Maven!) So here is my paltry contribution . And PS: I did not list the little ?B? movies on that 25 John Wayne Westerns DVD I got a couple of years ago from Walmart, though I DID list the two ?BIG? films that are on it (#?s 19 and 21)
I have sort of ranked them in order of preference, but I am SURE if I wanted to, I could end up sitting here all day and night trying to get it just right, ha) What I actually did was pretend I was going to go sit down and watch one of them RIGHT NOW and see what ones I would choose FIRST based on how well I enjoy them, ha) And by the way, I am pretty sure #?s 1 and 2 could go either way, pretty much. But this is how I am ranking them today.
Anyway, there are a lot of films that I only WISH I owned and are NOT on this list and so I know I would have to mix them all in an throughout THIS list if I were to be making a ?favorite westerns of all time list? (and PLEASE don?t? ask me to do THAT, ha. I think I did that a couple of years ago on here and it about did me in! And I am SURE my list today would be way different from what it was back then, by the way. Funny how that works out, ha)
At any rate, the movies below are ONLY the ones that I actually own (either storebought or by homemade vcr tape) So ha, try not to be TOO impressed, ha (ok, what I really meant to say was TRY not to LAUGH at me! Did I mention I was a pitiful excuse for a film collector???? Ha)
Oh..and like you Jackie.. I had a few I left off my list that MIGHT have gone either way.. as in: "western or not western")
Ok, here goes nuttin?:
1 The Searchers
2 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
3 Lonesome Dove
4 3 Bad Men
5 Stagecoach
6 Ft Apache
7 Rio Grande
8 Rio Bravo
9 3 Godfathers
10 Big Jake
11 Hondo
12 She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
13 Destry Rides Again
14 Shane
15 The Furies
16 Bend of the River
17 The Horse Soldiers
18 The Far Country
19 Angel and the Badman
20 The Hanging Tree
21 McLintock
22 Wagon Master
23 The Plainsman
24 Night Passage
25 The Rare Breed
26 The Man From Laramide
27 Silverado
28 The Westerner
28 Sgt Rutledge
29 North To Alaska
30 Appaloosa
31 Monte Walsh (T. Sellek version)
32 Crossfire Trail
33 Winchester 73
34 The Undefeated
35 The Cowboy and the Lady (sort of a western)
And again, I have numerous odd John Wayne western ?shorts? from early on in his career that are part of that VERY inexpensive package deal I got a couple of years ago, but in truth I do not count them as I have only watched a handful of them and don?t really have TOO much to say about them other than they are fun for a little ?smile? now and then.
OH and there are actually 4 more films I COULD list but do not know how to rate them yet because an ?honorable mention? goes to a recent purchase from Big Lots last month. (Woo hoo Ha. I LOVE a good bargain) Oddly enough it is the very same package that Fred B mentioned a few posts back. (The one w/ The Texas Rangers, Canyon Passage, Kansas Raiders, and The Lawless Breed) I picked it up when I saw it had CP on it as that was one that the Grey Guy had mentioned and I just realized I have had it almost a MONTH now and have yet to watch a single one! (golly, if I am not careful he'll be calling ME "shiftless", ha. So thanks for the reminder Fred... and PS... after seeing your post NOW I am going to have to toss a coin between TTR and Canyon Passage as to which one I will watch FIRST)
OH.. and PS: Miss Goddess, have I missed YOUR list ma'am??????????? (or are you still typing it? ) :-) I imagine it is a LONNNNNNNNNNNNNG one and would put us ALL to shame. ( I BOW in advance to your movie collecting prowess ma'am)
Edited by: rohanaka on Oct 8, 2010 7:25 PM
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Yo.. Grey Guy... far be it from ME to point out ANYONE else's TYPO's but I am SURE you have the following two NUMBERS mixed up....
1. Once Upon a Time in the West
59. McLintock!
Ok.. I am being rotten.. but I had to do it. ha.
And PS: I KNOW you had to put McLintock further down.. (though I STILL think you are just being "stubborn" ha.) but HOW (oh how oh HOW????) could you ever list Once Upon a Time in the Blah Blah Blah ahead of.. # 3 and/or #8?????????? OH.. and let's not forget # 11... sigh... What ARE we going to do w/ the likes of you??? ha.
Actually.. all kidding aside, and to be honest.. I am IMPRESSED that you have them as high up as you do.. I am glad you are giving Mr Ford such high ratings on your list, sir.
OH..and PS: do I recall a certain someone saying they had recently watched Hell's Hinges?????? I am surprised to not see THAT one on your list. Where do you rate it if I may be so curious as to ask??
The OK Kid (alias Jackie Favell) says: I cannot understand how you guys see all these movies! I will never catch up. My list of movies to watch runs from here to the painted desert... and back again
YEAH.. what SHE said, ha.
OH my golly, you folks and your lists are making me DROOL. ha. I dearly love some of the titles you have listed here... but only DREAM about more of them. (and I have been a "western fan" probably since before the Grey Dude tasted his first bite of Saur Kraut.
What kind of "classic western" person do I think I AM anyway, ha) Truth is.. my movie collection is WOEFULLY inferior to almost ALL of you folks.. I have seen many of the ones on the various lists I am seeing here.. but I do not have copies of most of them.. I just am such a "rotten" movie collector" ha. Maybe someday I will catch up.. but by then I will be such an old woman... ha. I will likely have to take a NAP in the middle of the movie and then I will NEVER catch up. ha. (oh wait.. that happens now anyway.. oh brother.. I am a lost cause, ha)
PS: Jackie... I say you come on over here for a cookout before it is too late and my mind is gone forever and we will let the kids play out back and send the hubbies out to man the BBQ grill.. And meanwhile we will just sit around and watch MOVIE after MOVIE after MOVIE to our hearts' content.. and if they come indoors.. we will look busy.. like we are peeling potatoes for potato salad or something.. ha. (yeah.. it takes 10 hours to make a big bowl doesn't it???)
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Hi there Miss Maven.. I am sorry it has taken me a few days to stop in here and respond back to your post.. WOWSA.. I love the way you can break down a movie and the characters so nicely, little missy.
WHEN FIXATION MEETS DESPERATION = YOU HAVE "THE PROWLER".
Ha.. that DOES about sum it up, doesn't it? That is the THIRD great "tag line" I have seen for this movie in this entire chat, ha. Between you and Mr Movieman... and that GREY person.. ha. you should all three go into business w/ one another.
kept thinking: ?Girl, if you?re that unsure about him, let him go.Walk away! Follow your first mind!!!
Gee, wouldn't it be great if we could have a "retroactive" conscience.. and then all our DOPEY decisions (and tragic ones too) could be WIPED out after we did them.. if only we were just sorry enough for being so stupid????? I guess that IS a part of repentance.. and it IS good to be able to start over with a clean slate from that sort of perspective. But even if it is nice to get a "do-over" in our hearts, it still it does not always "undo" stuff that we set in motion on the outside. And BOY did she ever, EVER, (ever) make some really bad choices... ones that gave her some REALLY bad consequences.
But what heroine ever listens to me?? I'm a voice in the dark sixty years later.
Ha.. well it is a shame she did not have her "pyschic" connection going on and that she did not hear you calling from so far away, ha. It WOULD have saved her a LOT of trouble. OH, those movie characters.. they NEVER listen.. ha.
Policeman - prowler - fancy dancer - murderer - midwife: Van Heflin could pull it off
Wasn't he SOMETHING??? Wowsa.. I still am just so pleasantly suprised thinking about how "captivatingly HORRID" he was. ha.
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CONGRATS on the 1000, Ollie!! This calls for a celebration!!
CAKE for everybody!!
HA.. I just LOVE to say that!
And gee, I was so busy I had to skip lunch today... so cake sounds AWFULLY good right now!!
(So hey.. thanks for posting!!)
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Hiya Mr. Movieman...
What happens when lonely miserable policeman meets lonely miserable wife? "The Prowler
Hey.. I like THAT line too. ha. (Mr Grey came up w/ a good "tag" line too... you two ought to team up and go into business writing those, ha.
Webb gives me the willies right from the start
Isn't it funny how EASY it was for US to see how he really was.. and yet he managed to have all the people around him so easily fooled. I like how the character was set up that way. There truly was LITTLE doubt (for us the viewer) that he was anything but the hideous monster that he turned out to be. (It was as if the camera was almost like a mirror to his "inner" self for us that way. Interesting perspective)
He's cool, creepy, condescending from the first scene
I might add a fourth c... "cunning" too. He knew how to bait a hook for her.. he might have had to fish a bit.. she did reject him the first go around.. but it did not take long for her to give in, ultimately.
He seems obsessed with her. Then she seems obsessed with him. Finally, they are obsessed with each other before it all breaks loose.
Ha.. I think his "obsession" with her eventually became.. "how can I make HER obsessed with me?"
I think she lies. at the inquest, not so much because she still loves Webb as much as she knows anything else she is in trouble. The whole thing comes out and she winds up implicated too.
That was my "reasoning" on her "reason" for lying all along. I think that would have been her decision (to protect herself) whether the baby had been an issue or not. But the baby certainly added a whole new layer once we find out about it. I think HE thought she lied because she was GLAD he killed John. And I bet it took him by surpise when she reacted the way she did (at her home when he comes to visit her) But then also.. I don't think he EVER expected her to do what she did at the end either.. by then he was so caught up in his own game.. that it never entered his mind she was not "his" all the way. (at least that is how I am remembering it..ha. It has been just long enough now since I watched it, I might be a big "foggy brained" on some things) ha.
BTW, my bride loved it
I am glad to hear it. The QT really liked what he SAW of it..ha. but he missed more than half, I'd say. He STARTED watching it with me.. and fell asleep. (poor guy... he has SUCH an early day sometimes.. it is really hard for him to stay awake some evenings) When I told him how things turned out w/ the movie.. he was kicking himself that he missed it all.
I bet you two are really looking forward to that festival... did I MENTION the whole 'color me GREEN with envy" thing???? ha.
PS: Janie.. I mean Miss Maven..ha. It's never too late for a nice "walk" on the noir side, kid. Dive on in. :-)
Edited by: rohanaka on Oct 2, 2010 10:51 PM
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I shouted "Bernard Lee!", ya think I'd get the same reaction?)
neigh... (I know.. it's lame..ha. but I had to do it) :-)
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I'll definitely chat about it, if you like. The person who really likes that film is Jackie. She has written quite a bit about the film.
Way cool. I hope we can get a good chat going. (If I find time I will try and check out some of Jackie's old posts.. but it's another busy weekend.. so I might not get to it for a while.
Have you ever seen They Live by Night? That is coming on this Saturday, at 1:30 AM EST. It's one of my very favorite films noir.
I have not seen it.. I will try my best to catch it.. at least to record it.. IF I am not too "doofy" to remember.. (I am a bit "schedule challenged" sometimes... as you might recall. HA!.
It's one that makes me cry
Well now THAT makes it all the MORE interesting. I am going to have to pin a note.. ok maybe TAPE a note onto my forehead to remind myself not to miss it... it is not that far away so MAYBE I will have good luck...
If you want to see what a film noir love story looks like
IF I want to see that??? "Mushy" love story person that I am.. ha. What do YOU think?? Does a one legged duck swim in a circle???????
But I bet you are setting me up about the whole "love" angle... since it is a "noir" it is likely going to be some sort of "Gun Crazy" sort of tale.. where they THINK they love each other. but its really just a "crime spree" in disguise instead. HA.(Ok. .I am kidding.. I know that there was WAY more to that story than just THAT, ha. But oh gee.. they aren't going to end up out in the foggy SWAMP together at the end of THIS story are they?) ha. PS Ollie.. that sounds like a really fun site.. will check it out sometime.
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Yo!! Mr. Grey.... did you know that The Third Man is showing on TCM next week?????????? I seem to recall SOME shadowy person saying something about being up for a chat .................
Edited by: rohanaka on Oct 1, 2010 12:41 AM
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Thanks Miss Maven.. and PS: yes older..ha. but not much wiser..ha. Sadly.. my record of "doofiness" preceeds me!
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Thanks Mr Movieman for the b-day wishes and the blessings!!!
OH boy.. M&M's... just the fact that you are willing to share them.. ha. You are a friend indeed!!
And PS: if the road ever DOES lead you all the way out here.. while you are still on that side of town, stop over there on the east coast before you head west, and pick up some of the other folks too.. and when you get here, dinner will be on me!! ha. We have a BIG old back yard and we can throw a BBQ and have ourselves a good old fashioned "message board family renuion" ha
Of course... I would have to stock up on Saur Kraut and Sawdust for the Grey Dude.. you know how HE can be sometimes.. HA!)
Thanks folks for the fun b-day wishes.. this is like having another birthday all over again!! (oh.. but I HOPE I don't have to turn ANOTHER year older already.. ha. This past weekend was ENOUGH of that for a while, ha. My age "odometer" is starting to REALLY rack up the miles.. ha)
Edited by: rohanaka on Sep 29, 2010 8:43 PM
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Doggone it Grey Guy..ha I am going to be holding my eyeballs open with TOOTHPICKS in the morning, ha.
But you really got me to thinking about all this and while you were typing your last post.. I went into that website that Jackie had posted way back when we first chatted on this movie (which is a way cool site by the way) and looked at some "excerpts" of the scenes where he meets her and starts down his "road to redemption" and I watched some of the stuff at the end. too. up to the very end in fact.
And I do confess that I might not have remembered it all as "firmly' as I should have (in terms of how "deeply changed" he was from the beginning. You are right in that he DID change a lot after he first met her.. and pretty quickly. But I still maintain that his total redemption (spiritually and emotionally speaking) were a gradual thing. Among other reasons, the best example I can give is if you look at the two prayers I mentioned ealier.. first he prays selfishly "for her" with no real sincere belief that God was listening... almost "bold' and "in God's face" so to speak. And then later.. at the end.. he prays in humility of spirit.. on her behalf.. "for her" asking God to make her happy. It took TIME for him to grow into that sort of faith.. and he did not "change" that way all at once. (And PS: I like how God answered his FIRST prayer... and second prayer all at the same time.. again.. as you say.. the ending was very "hopeful".)
Lamby showed more fight and emotion. Faith just seemed to be a symbol
Now see.. again.. it is all a matter of personal taste and opinion.. because I see them BOTH as having a similar spirit (in terms of "fight and emotion" but just not for the same reasons or motivations. And NOT at all in any sort of similar way. At any rate, I wanted to say that after watching these bits and pieces of the movie again tonight, I am all the more convinced in Faith's attributes and strength of character. At the risk of sounding a bit preachy... I found her to be a very strong woman.. strong in faith.. and in her love for God.. his kingdom and her brother. And also eventually.. for Hart's character as well.
And I REALLY liked how she looked after her brother while she looked out for the ministry too. Deep down she knew his weaknesses and did her best to help him (perhaps hoping God would do the rest and truly make him the man he should have been all along)
Wow.. just watching what I did again.. makes me want to sit down with this story and watch it all the way through once more. (but NOT tonight. I am going to drop off asleep at ANY moment if I do not get up from here, ha)
But thanks again SO much Jackie, for bringing this film up earlier this year.
And thanks to YOU Grey Guy for giving it a chance. Maybe if you are nice.. ha.. I will save you some Teddy Grahams from NEXT week's Sunday School Class, ha. Nah.. you'd likely just try to spit them out since they are not made of sawdust... and I hate to see a good Teddy Graham go to waste. ha.