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Hiya Ms Favell...
thanks for posting the lovely pics of Ms Tierney. The first one (where she is waking him up by blowing in his ear) made me almost wish I was going to be able to like her. She was so playful. And smirky little smile was almost "innocent". (which was so at odds with her because nobody but the camera could see it... she wasn't putting on a show with that grin. So that makes it all the more tragic that she was so DOGGONE evil by the end of it all)
She was such a contridiction for me at first. Headstrong is one thing... even perhaps arrogant and manipulative could be tolerated somewhat if she never meant anyone any harm. Because again, she really had some very likeable moments (like early on in the story on the train and in the scene I just mentioned that you posted the pic of) But OH ME, it did not take long for THOSE happy little moments to go south once her REAL personality rose to the surface.
PS: Miss Maven...
You are right... ha. The courtroom drama part was TOO little of the story to make TOO big a stink over it.. ha. It really is a very small criticisim when there is so much that is GOOD about the rest of the movie. And also PS... that WAS a gorgeous horse, wasn't it.
PSS Miss G... they LAUGHED??? Oh golly.. I would have been there screaming right along with you. That is one of the best scenes in the whole movie for crying out loud. (oh golly)
I will look forward to hearing more from you gals soon.
RE: the music.. I went back in to youtube and gave it a listen again... those drums.. .OH ME. They just sort of drive the whole thing home. It is almost a conflict of themes going on.. it ends up sounding almost regal... alluring... tragic... and threatening all at the same time... way cool.
Here is a link to youtube #1 for Leave Her to Heaven (for anyone who wants to watch the film) but also just to get the music on here. Even if you have seen the film, give a listen to that opening theme. I say again... way cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1XVJMhl2Vk&feature=related
Edited by: rohanaka on Apr 5, 2010 10:22 PM
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OH yeah.. ha. Thanks for reminding me of that... the minute I saw it was Vincent, I said, "Now why doesn't her lawyer jump up and demand he "recuse" himself.. (or do you have to be a judge or juror to be "recused? I have NO idea. ) At the very least he should have claimed the DA's former relationship w/ the deceased was a conflict of interest, or made him prejudicial... or SOMETHING.
He just kept sitting there saying, "No questions". Now THERE'S some fancy lawyerin' for ya. ha.
Oh golly.. I am too much of a L & O junkie....
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Hello my Noir-ish friends. May I take you for a walk?
You know for some time now, I have had my infamous, much talked about, ever growing, and fairly busting at the seams *Wanna See List*. And I have to confess I have added more titles to that list in the last two or three years than I can even count (just from hanging around all of you folks). And fortunately for me, I have also been able to cross off NUMEROUS films on that list in the last year or so, as well. (thanks to the help of some of you keeping me on my toes with the TCM schedule.. and also by some lucky finds at the library and on youtube.
One particular film that I am happy to say is "officially" crossed off and viewed now is ... (drum roll please) *Leave Her To Heaven* (woo hoo!)
First, let me just say, OH my goodness me, oh my. Watta movie! And what a truly delightfully AWFUL and evil gal that Ellen was. WOW! I spent half the time just so "in awe" of her beauty and the other half of the time wanting to rip her rotten little heart out. ha. Boy, she really was something else! (did I mention wow?)
And OH me, what a gorgeous use of color in this film as well. I heard a commentator say that this film is considered by some to be one of the first "color" noirs. And while I am no authority on that sort of thing, I will just say good golly what a lovely sight to behold. Not only was Gene just drop dead gorgeous (no pun intended) but the LANDSCAPE and scenery were just awe inspiring! And I could fairly feel the cool mountain breeze in my hair near the beginning of the film when they all got out of that car to go into the ranch for the first time. Breathtaking.
Another area I want to comment on was the use of music. That main theme... It was just so GRAND. Oh wow. How attention getting was that? The best use of the music for me was up on the top of that hill when they are all on horseback and Ellen is riding around spreading her late father's ashes. Oh golly, that driving rhythm with those drums and the pounding notes... again I can only say, breathtaking.
Now I also have to confess that if I have any real serious criticism at all it would be the courtroom scenes and the quick "wrap up" at the end of the trial. I think the biggest problem for me was I likely have seen too many episodes of Law and Order, HA. I kept waiting for Ruth's lawyer (the guy telling the story) to jump up and object as the DA kept grilling her like that about was she in love with Cornel Wilde. And then when Cornel comes up with his big bombshell at the end, I kept waiting for Vincent Price to ask the judge to have his testimony stricken from the record.. ha. It was uncorroborated testimony... or maybe he was presenting facts not in evidence, or SOMETHING. ha. (yeah right.. listen to me.. like I know what I am talking about.. ha) All I know is that WHATEVER he was doing with that outburst of "the real story" no present day TV District Attorney would have stood for it, ha. So that to me seemed a bit too "quick" and convenient for me. But I digress.. ha.
At any rate, with all that aside... I think this film was absolutely every bit as good as I had hoped for and am REALLY glad to have gotten to see this much talked about performance by Ms Tierney. I have heard many of you mention her in this role on several occasions, and all I can say is... you didn't even come close to describing how amazingly EVIL she was... (DID I mention wow???? ha.)
I hope that some of you with whom I have chatted on this film before will chime in and tell me more about your favorite parts of this movie and give me your perspectives. And I have a few more things I might want to add later, myself, but for now I will just say again.. Watta movie! :-)
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Dear Renee,
I would first like to agree with some of what has been said here especially regarding the fact that you should not ever apologize for having a life and enjoying your family (especially on what is for some a very special holiday). This place is our "recreation" but it is your job. So I know you personally cannot be on here night and day. Real life does not allow for that. So I hope that you do not feel like you ever need to choose between what should come first, because I can tell you that when I am faced with those sorts of situations, family is always going to win. So... please.. no more worries about that.
I also want to say that I hope whatever issues you are having medically will be a thing of the past for you very soon and you will be feeling much better. I know it is no fun when you are not feeling well. It can make even little problems all the more difficult to deal with.
And I am sure I don't have to tell you that a lot of the stress you must have with this job is no little problem.. so I bet is difficult when you are having those sorts of medical things going on too.
Now having said all of that, I also want to say that I think your post here is a step in the right direction. In times past, I think that a lot of the major problems on this board were made worse by lack of communication. And I think as time has gone by you have gotten a feel for the fact that some of the complaints you folks received this time last year really were valid when it comes to all the difficulty some of us have had due to issues such as stalking, formerly banned members with multiple identities, etc, etc. etc.
So I see all of this now that you are saying here as an improvement over where we all were a year ago. But the fact remains (as you found out this weekend) there is still a long way to go.
So thank you for all the efforts you have put forth so far. And I also hope you will consider some of the suggestions you have received (especially regarding the need for you to be able to more effectively enforce a more reliable code of conduct than the one we have been currently operating under so far). If it is true that you are only able to enforce the rules as they stand now, then it is open season on this message board for anyone (such as the one individual who shall remain nameless, for example) who would like to come in and start a boat load of trouble, not just for his fellow posters, but for you as well.
And when that happens, please know that sometimes you will see us getting frustrated. Sometimes you will even hear us get exasperated to the point of speaking out, though it rarely helps in the long run (as I can personally attest)
But also know that there a plenty of real people who post regularly here and who are truly interested in keeping this message board a friendly community where people can truly enjoy discussing classic film (and make some good friends with other like minded folks along the way). And we want to see you succeed in your job more than anyone. Because then we will have a place we can enjoy all the more by the very fact that we don't have to feel we need to look over our shoulder and under every rock to see who might be out there to harass us again and again.
The trolls don't want to you to succeed. Those who only seek to interrupt and overun the flow of conversation are only here to serve themselves. But I think you will find that the rest of us will get behind you as you continue to work to get behind us. I hope so anyway.
Best wishes to you and your coworkers as you try to sort this all out.
Sincerely,
Rohanaka
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Talk to the Snail
Been there, done that, wrote a book about it, had it made into a sitcom, and Dick Van Dyke played me! :-)
(PS, cool thread, little lady. I see I have a lot of reading to do!) :-)
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Dear MarlonBrandoFan (or whatever it is you may be choosing to call yourself by the time you read this)
No matter what you would like others to think or believe about your intentions in this thread, I would like to go on record as saying that nothing of what you have claimed (or implied) about me is true. You have maligned my character repeatedly either by openly making statements about me, or implying things about me (or what I have said) that are completely false.
Nowhere on this message board will you find any evidence to back up your claims (or implied statements) that I have ever gone into any threads with the intent to shut them down. And I am not now, nor have I ever been the member of any sort of conspiracy to private message anyone and "go in for the kill" to lock a thread. And also there is nothing I have ever said in this or any other thread that classifies me as homophobic. Or intolerant.. or even an ANT for that matter.
And while I rarely engage in the activity of trying to discern the true motives behind what anyone says on this message board (except for my own) your false claims and false implications against me are clearly an attempt to discredit me and draw attention away from (as well as invalidate) any issues I may have brought up regarding the need for greater respect by some who are posting in this thread.
I personally do not care at all about whether or not any threads about gay actors or homosexual topics are started, or already exist, or even continue in perpetuity. However, I DO care about one group of people feeling free to malign the character of and speak disrespectfully about another group of people at will and with no limit. And whether you want to admit it or not, there were things said early on by some in this thread that called into question the character and intelligence of people who may hold a different point of view than most of the people posting in this thread. (so PS, thank you jamesjazzguitar for at least conceding the point) And it was to THAT which I spoke last evening. And anyone who is truly interested in tolerance can clearly see and will surely understand that.
Now, I have violated my own promise to refrain from arguing and posting in this thread for the last time. But I do so ONLY to go on record publicly as saying to any and all who choose to read it, that it is not now, nor has it ever been my intention to lock down this or any other thread. It is however my intention to point out that we are all entitled to post here with the equal expectation to be free from verbal assault and persecution. Or at least we should be.
So therefore, with that in mind, I respectfully request to you, MarlonBrandoFan (or whatever name you will go by in the future), that your refrain from making any further false statements (and/or implications) about my motives for posting, and/or my character. I believe this is a fair and reasonable request and one with which any truly open minded and tolerant person could agree.
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I find it interesting that you quote the two posters who support gay rights
As I clearly stated that I do not intend to enter into any arguments, I will only clarify one or two points before resuming my orginal intent to refrain from any future posts in this thread.
First of all, I quoted the two people who more or less implied (if not openly stated) that anyone of the Christain faith who might feel offended by some of the things being said in this thread must be intolerant if they felt that way.
So yes... I quoted people who may well be pro-gay rights.. but I did so to point out the fact that just because these individuals think that someone must be intolerant if they disagree with them... does not necessarily make it so. And again, I also say that just because something does not offend YOU, does not mean it is equally inoffensive to others.
And as to you combing through my 3600+ posts... if you have the time and inclination, feel free. I have no doubt you will find me guilty. And I also openly said that I rarely if EVER feel the need to suggest to anyone that they stay on topic. I certainly am no authority on what should or should not be considered on topic in any thread. I only suggested it in this thread now for the sake of common courtesy. (which I maintain has been sorely lacking by some in this thread)
So again... I remove myself from any further debate. Any attempt by you or anyone else to draw me into the conversation again will go unanswered.
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BuddyEbsenFan said: A religious person should not take any of the comments personally. If someone is a Christian and as tolerant as Christians supposedly are, then surely he would understand any possible anti-Christian comments made in the thread
jamesjazzguitar said : If the shoe does NOT fit than there isn't anything to defend or be offend by. But it is clear that some people feel a need to defend the group they belong to. My guess is they are not the tolerant ones
You know, I truly do not know or care what the original intent of this thread was. I would not even want to speculate as to the true intentions or motives of the original poster. But it is becoming very clear to me that certain posts in this thread are being used by some as chance to sling snide little remarks and ill-mannered darts of disrespect at people they do not agree with. And perhaps this was done in attempt to spark an arguement, perhaps it was just poor manners. Either way, it was unnecessary and inconsiderate.
I will say that with few exceptions, most, but not all, of these rude little comments have been openly aimed toward people of faith. And on a message board devoted to the talk of classic film, with a community of posters so diverse, I feel greater care should be taken when making these sorts of comments in a public setting such as this. We all deserve the right to be treated with respect, and just because something doesn't offend YOU, doesn't mean that others won't find it disrespectful or offensive.
It is very telling how some folks expect everyone to be ?tolerant? of their opinions and yet they do not feel compelled at all to offer the same sort of courtesy to someone who may disagree with what they have said. We are all entitled to our own opinions, and there is no excuse to badmouth someone you disagree with and place labels on them (such as intolerant) or impugn their intelligence, such as some of the earlier comments that have been made (about certain religious groups) in this thread have done.
And when someone does go around making certain rude or negative comments about those with whom they disagree, it never ceases to amaze me how defensive the originator of the rude comment sometimes becomes (or how further disrespectful they become) when someone with an opposing point of view speaks up too.
Funny how folks who go around expounding on the virtues of tolerance seem to operate under such a blatant double standard. It has been my experience that most of these so-called ?tolerant? people are themselves among the most intolerant of all.
You know, it IS possible for people on this message board to have varying opinions about all sorts of things without being disrespectful about it. But I suppose for some it is just so much easier to badmouth certain people they don't agree with (and then use even more rhetoric to attempt to compel these same certain people to simply sit back and take it) than it is to allow for the fact that we will not all see eye to eye on some subjects and move on.
While I would agree that there are times and places when open debate and even heated debate is needed on certain subjects, there is no need for disrespectful rhetoric to enter into the conversation.(especially HERE in a classic movie forum).
I would like to go on record as saying that nowhere in my post have I mentioned my own personal opinions on homosexuality (or religion for that matter) so please do not feel obliged to assume I am commenting on either of these subjects in what I am saying here. Nor have I made any real comment on the stated topic of this thread, other than to say that no matter what its original intent may have been, this thread has been allowed to be used as a mouthpiece for some to openly show disrespect toward others. And that should not be so. (No matter what side of any given debate a person may fall on, or no matter a person's right to their own point of view)
Rarely, if ever, do I accuse anyone of the need to stay on topic on this website. But in the interest of common courtesy, if one should like to comment on whether or not ?coming out? is going to hurt someone?s career, may I suggest that it would be helpful if it could be done without badmouthing or speaking disrespectfully of those with whom you do not agree.
You should also know that it was only after much forethought and consideration that I felt led to make my opinions known here. And so now I have. But I have no intention of entering into any sort of further debate or argument with anyone, because I freely allow for the fact that there will be some who do not agree with me.
As most of you have felt completely free to express your own opinions so openly in this thread, I hope that you will allow me the same courtesy, and we can just leave it at that. So with that in mind, I choose to withdraw from any further discussion on this topic and I respectfully remove myself from any further conversation in this thread.
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As for being logged off and my name still showing up, I don't think it's done that since before the last two updates here, so that's no longer a problem.
It happened to me about a week or so ago. (if it happens again, I will do as you suggested, Renee)
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Congrats on the 9000, Miss Maven!!! :-) Cake for everybody!!!! (woo hoo!)
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I have not noticed that problem for myself before, but I have seen it happening for others (who I did not realize were online and then, suddenly, there are several posts for them)
However, I have logged OFF before only to find out that my name was still showing on the list (long after I had been logged off) no matter how many times I refreshed the page. (And it did not always go away after I tried logging back in and logging off a second (or even a third) time to try and remove it.)
It's a whacky little world around here sometimes, aint it??? :-)
Edited by: rohanaka on Mar 30, 2010 12:10 PM
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Bronxie says (regarding Molo's mention of his Aunt Daisy): Did you have to take her to the Piggley-Wiggley?
Molo replies: No, Now this I don't get.
Rohanaka butts in and blabs: PS: GO watch Driving Miss DAISY and all your Piggly Wiggly questions will be answered.
Ha!!! Madhat... See what you started!! It's a whole Piggly Wiggly mandate now. Now not only do you have to go watch Miss Daisy.. but also Fried Green Tomatoes... and Bonnie and Clyde... and then you have to go drive around and find out if there are any Piggly Wiggly stores left to shop in... and write a letter to the editor about pc pig ad campaigns... you better get busy, son.. you have a LOT to do. HA! (this is what he gets, folks, for staying away so long)
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OH wow... April what a great perspective you are bringing in to MDC, little missy. (woo HOO!!)
> {quote:title=MissGoddess wrote:}{quote}
> I underline "contrast" in your post because that's one other aspect of the way the movie's story is told that hits me. Everything seems to have a duality or contrasting element. Boiled down and simplified, it's the "wildness" contrasted with what I'll just call "civility" or the tamed. That duality is in so much of Ford's work, as it was in the man.
I love all the info and insight you have on Ford. And I think he must have been one of the more "personalized" filmmakers of that day... meaning that he put so much of his OWN personality and thought and emotion into his films.
And I love your thoughts and comments on Doc. You have really just drawn out all the details on his inner personality.
> He looks neither angry nor sad, just remote and rather distanced from any emotional reaction. And yet he's the wildest and most explosive character in the movie. More contrast and duality.
He was wild. And (yet looked so "unwild" on the outside.Remote and distanced are the right words. Almost quietly resolved that he was nearing the end of his existance and he was pondering his own mortality. It was like we were getting to see his outward expression of all his innermost thoughts not by the wildness.. but more by those "dead calm" moments.
RE: why he was there in Tombstone instead of back East:
> I feel like it's something more, too, because he tells Clem that his illness is not behind his fleeing from the East. I wonder if he's just a tormented man
I think you may have it.. but also I think here is a part of the puzzle too:
> The wildest westerner is in fact, an Easterner and a product of a civilized, educated background.
Perhaps he was just born in the wrong place. He may have TRIED to fit in that civilized, educated world all his life and realized it just was not really HIM.. and the west was more REAL to him. And also.. I just wanted to add that I always took it that his illness came after he left the East... and maybe he even felt like it was his "punishment" for leaving..
(oh.. and PS, Mr Movieman.. I think you have it right too.. he was likely feeling like a failure too)
I don't know. I might be wrong and reading too much into it all... but that was my take. Anyway... what I trying to say is... he felt guilty for leaving Clem high and dry the way he did... and for "failing" those who must have had higher expectations for him so he felt like "he'd gotten what he deserved" in letting them all down. (again.. I may be wrong... but I can see him reflecting on all that as his body started to let HIM down over time. It is wrong thinking... but it could be what was on his mind)
Thanks again for bringing more goodies to the table, little gal. Your rambling thoughts are always a delight! :-)
(Oh.. and PS folks.. I'm with Miss G.. I hope there is more to read on Audie too. I have not seen that film, but have enjoyed the discussion)
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Hello Friend Molo, :-)
I think I'm in a lot deeper than Grimes this time! It will take me a while to dig myself out of this hole.
Between the two of you... you've BOTH dug such a deep hole now, I think I can see China already.
As for the glasses, well I can't hear. (nerve damage) I can't smell. (Chronic sinus problems) Now the eyes are going! (I sound like quite a catch don't I?)
Well... I'd like to say age is only a number.. but sadly there is too much evidence against me on that one.. ha.
What's next?
I will only quote one of my dad's favorite novelty ball caps: "When your memory goes... FORGET it." HA!! :-)
You didn't dis the OZ!
Heavens.. if we did... we'd all have been called WHIPPERSNAPPERS for sure by that great big scary looking green head. HA!!
One of my brothers watches a lot of films with me on the weekends. Mainly because he's just there, not because he really wants too. Anyway, when he stopped pointing out Burke as Glinda and got used to her showing up in various films, I figured his classic film credentials had jumped up a notch
Ha.. I still get a kick out of seeing her in a movie. I never used to realize she had ever done ANYTHING other than wear that lovely pink dress and crown. ha. (And PS: I used to be the same way about Frank Morgan too.. "HEY.. that's the WIZARD!!) :-)
What??? Your FAVORITE song, out of all the songs in that film, is If I were King of the Forest ? What's wrong with you?
Well.... you likely do not have enough hours in your day for me to tell you the answer to that.. ha. But YES... I love that song. (although I do admit... seen through a grown up's perspective now, it does maybe seem a bit like a "filler" placed in that part of the story) Still... I am willing to forgive it all, ha. It just cracks me up so much.
The Rockford Files was probably my favorite show when it was on. I thought Garner as Rockford was just too cool. I loved his whole attitude. I loved his cynical humor. I loved the trailer by the beach. I loved Noah Beery Jr. as Rocky. That was a great show. I have a lot of the seasons on DVD.
I used to love just watching the opening intro. (the look on his face when he is in the grocery store buying the steak.. HA!.. I get that look myself sometimes) ha.
I think I liked him so much because even though he was "cool" he was not perfect. He had a lot of "oops" moments and Iiked how he sometimes had to get himself out of messes that he either caused himself.. or someone like Angel or Rocky might have caused for him. Anyway... way back when, that show used to play M-F (but I can't recall if it came on just after the evening news (you know.. way back when Johnny Carson was more or less the only talk show host on at night.. ha) or a little later.. any way, I used to just hang on the edge of my seat to watch that one everynight.
And PS: TRF has got to have probably one of the coolest TV themesongs EVER.. maybe second only to Hawaii Five O. ha. (but since you don't like The King of the Forest.. ha.. you MIGHT not agree, since you obviously don't share my same musical taste... but then you said you can't HEAR so maybe THAT might explain your unappreciation of such a great Wizard of Oz classic!!) HA!!!!!!!!!!
"To each his own" indeed!!!Ro says: Glad to see you back on the board, sir
Molo responds: Are you sure?
Ro replies: SURE I'm sure.. did you not just read the great SLAM that you set me up with a few lines above??
HA!! (Welcome back, kiddo!). :-) Oh and PS: GO watch *Driving Miss DAISY* and all your Piggly Wiggly questions will be answered. :-)
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That show made me a Darren McGavin fan forever. (and then A Christmas Story came along and sealed the deal, for me too, ha)
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MADHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (woo hoo!!)
Long time NO see the Mad Hat name on the message board!!! So very glad to see you out and about sir. Glad to have you back among the crowd, my friend.
OH and PS: I guess I will go put my rope back in the FREEZER now... because well... if you had not shown up soon, you were only days away from being the honored guest at our next Neck Tie Party.
Missed it by THAT much! ha.> {quote:title=molo14 wrote:}{quote}
> I have a nicely refurbished computer, named Gloria, and my first pair of reading glasses! I've had my computer for a few days but I had to avoid using it until I got the glasses. The headaches had become unbearable! I'm still trying to get used to them so if my post turns to gibberish you'll know I've either lost it completely or I just need more practice...or both.
Ha.. a new Gloria AND new glasses too. You'll have a whole new outlook on life for sure. ha. (PS: Welcome to the "corrective lens crowd, too... I have been a charter member now for several years.. ha. I always joke with the QT that I hit forty.. and forty hit me back.. ha)
> Ro,
> I really liked your post on *The Wizard of Oz* and everyone's comments on it. It has been ages since I watched the film all the way through but I feel like I know it by heart. Still, your screencaps brought up so much that I never noticed before.
Thanks, sir. I love finding new things to like about an old favorite like this one. Glad you picked up on some new stuff too.
> Now I, like so many others, remember this airing once a year on television back before cable and DVD's or even videotape. There was never any question what the the TV would be tuned to that evening. I was the youngest, so I was the last holdout. My older siblings would usually watch too. We waited for certain scenes like the house landing, and the lollipop guild song, and the flying monkeys. I don't know at what age I stopped lying on the living room floor in front of the old Sylvania console watching it intently from start to finish. I imagine it was a gradual process. I wonder if mom was sad the first time it came on and none of us kids were around to watch it.
I bet she was. I can tell you that some of the kidlings favorite little "kiddie" shows that she used to love (but has since outgrown still make me "misty" just thinking about how much she enjoyed them when she was little. (ha) The day she ever "outgrows" OZ (even if only temporarily) will be a day I bust out bawling for sure. But I like that this is a film that even if you get too old (say as a teen) where it loses a little "luster" for a time... once you see it again after several years of NOT seeing it... those fond memories will just come flooding back. It truly is a classic in ever sense of the word.
> The film does a wonderful job exploring the dreams and fears of childhood. The idea of escaping and the adventure of running away mixes wonderfully with our fears of losing our home, our parents, our place and our sense of where we belong. These are concepts that weigh on the mind of most kids. They certainly did for me anyway. The biggest hook in the film for me is Dorothy's fear of losing Toto. That's what starts the ball rolling. The idea of anyone taking my dog away scared me to death. My dog depended on me. I was his protector, and we protected each other. It's one of the few responsibilities a kid first senses.Losing a pet is often the first real loss a kid faces. I could relate to Dorothy's fears and I was with her all the way in trying to find a place to escape with Toto.
OH wow... when Miss Gulch goes after Toto.. ha. that used to make me SO mad. ha. (but not so scared..ha) But one thing I DID used to be afraid of as a very young kid was of getting "lost" or of being away from my parents for too long of a time. And I always remember that I felt so worried when Dorothy wants to go home... and the baloon floats away. It was always such a relief to see Glinda's little pink bubble show up just at the right moment, ha.
> This was another thing that really scared me as a kid. That tornado! Wow! With Bolger yelling out: It's a twister, it's a twister. We don't get many in these parts, but still, I knew they existed and to this day a tornado warning really scares me and excites me all at the same time. It has to be the greatest tornado sequence ever filmed.
I had never really seen or heard much about a Tornado other than this film until I was in about the 4th grade or so.. We lived in Alabama at the time (at Ft Mc Clellan) and and then I remember they had a tornado come near us one day while we were at school and all of us kids had to go out in the hall and cover our heads with our hands. It was a little scary, as I recall, and then I remember thinking about that moment again the next time I watched The Wizard of Oz (probably that same year) and then I got scared all over again, ha)
> The only thing I never cared for, and the only thing that slows down the film is the cowardly lion's song If I were King of the forest.
OH say it isn't SO!!! (that is just about my most favorite song in the whole thing.. ha. The kidlingl loves it too. We go around here singing it all the time! She is a RIOT trying to imitate his voice.. especially when it comes to the part where he says, "Mah... aha ha ha ha... aw-narch". What a crack up! ha.
> Now, I must comment on *Heat Lightning* and get down to the noir thread, I hear someone sent out an APB!
I have a lot of catching up to do! I hope my eyes hold out!WOO hoo... I will look forward to hearing your thoughts on THAT one. It really was quite a film, wasn't it??
PS... I LOVED those old 70's detective shows (and I was a night owl too.. (I know.. big surprise,ha) but usually only got to be a practicing one during summer vacation, ha) I was not TOO keen on Barnaby Jones, but I did like Ironside, and I absolutely ADORED The Rockford Files. OH wow.
OH... and I L-O-V-E loved Kolchak, The NightStalker.
But BOY did it give me the chills sometimes. ha. When it came to the scary parts, I think this show must have been where I perfected my infamous "Right hand at an angle over both eyes" routine. ha. That way, I could still watch the top right portion and the lower left portion of the tv screen, and since MOST of the scary stuff happens in the middle.. I was safe. ha. :-)
Glad to see you back on the board, sir. :-)
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Thank you for being clear (even while not choosing to clarify) Having read through this thread, I think that you have told me all I really need to know. And I think we both likely understand one another already. (and perhaps that will sound judgemental.... but I don't believe either of us will lose any sleep over it)
Please do not feel compelled to answer this post as I am happily removing myself from the conversation.
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> {quote:title=JarrodMcDonald wrote:}{quote}
> It's because I'm fairly new on these boards. Some of them have histories with you guys and they see fit to warn me. I find it amusing and also a serious problem.
Hello Jarrod. Never having spoken to you before, I wonder if you could clarify who are the "Some of them" and also who the "you guys" would be. That sounds like a rather divisive statement and I would not like to misjudge you in any way.
PS... sorry I spelled your name incorrectly in my original post, I have since made an edit.
Edited by: rohanaka on Mar 23, 2010 12:44 PM
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Sorry to interrupt... just wanted to take a quick moment and thank Miss G and the Grey Dude (and I think Jackie and Miss Maven too, if I recall) for making me watch The Maltese Falcon (HA!) finally. OH wow..
Chalk up another one on my newly started "BOGART MOVIES THAT I LIKE" list. ha. (That man is starting to grow on me like... oh what.... a tomato vine?? ha) I realy enjoyed his Sam Spade.. and I enjoyed all the twists and turns too.
But WOW.... what can I say???? That Sydney Greenstreet really tipped the scale (NO pun intended) for me liking this film.. OH my golly was he ever something. Absolute perfection in that role. But honestly.. I just enjoyed the whole entire movie.. it moved quickly, yet took it's time in the conversations that counted. I really could not wait to hear what each character was going to say next... GREAT dialogue in that whole story...
The only real criticism I can think of right now.. ha.. Mary's HAIR... oh gee.. but I am sure at the time it was all the rage.. ha.
Well, I WISH I had more time to dive in deeper... but alas.. the next several days are not likely going to give me that freedom. So I will just say for now that I can happily claim yet another fine HB performance on my newly formed Bogie favorites list. It has been a lot of fun discovering some new films and finding out that I actually maybe could possibly perhaps (ha) been ever so slightly OFF in my original assessment of Mr. Bogart. But I am glad to be making up for some lost time.
The QT has seen way more of his films than I have and was really suprised when I told him I had checked out The Treasure of the Sierra Madre last week because I had never watched it. So when I told him that I wanted to watch this film tonight because I'd never seen it either, he did yet another one of those double takes.. "WHAT??? You've never seen THE MALTESE FALCON?? What planet are YOU from? ha. OH golly... he has a way with words now and then.. ha.
Almost 17 years of marriage and we still have SO much new to learn about one another... ha.
(PS... the QT also told me that the next HB film I need to check out is The Caine Mutiny... ha. Even he is getting into the "re-educate Kathy about Bogart" act.. ha. So which one of you has him on your payroll now?? Ha) :-)
Edited by: rohanaka on Mar 23, 2010 1:44 AM
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You're all laughing, and I'm crying.
Ha.. and I'm crying from laughing!! ha. Thanks Miss B (and B MOM) for the smile...
So she saw THE BROWNING VERSION last night.
Mom: I couldn't understand a lot of what was said.
Hey.. tell Mom she was not alone.. ha. I had a hard time understanding some of their "proper" conversation too. ha. (But PS: more importantly.... ask mom how HARD she wanted to slap that wife.. oh my golly.. I bet she could've set that gal straight about a thing or two, ha)
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Hiya Ollie..
I have to agree with you sir. I think The Wizard of Oz has to, at the very least, rank among the greatest ever (and in my book, it would be at or near the top)
You didn't know I was writing a book, did you??? HA!!!!!! :-) (kidding..ha. But, BOY just imagine how many pages THAT thing would have as much as I like to blab on and on!! ha)
So many lyrics are now clich?s because they fit so commonly in our speech
I was thinking that very thought the other day. There are so many "Wiz-icisms" ha.. in our culture and almost everyone knows them.. "We're not in Kansas anymore" "There's no place like home" and yes.. I know.. ha. that was around longer than the movie.. ha. but I think most people still think of this film when they hear it) etc, etc.
Top notch special effects long before CGI could come close. I still think the Wiz superimposed over the spouting flames, and the head itself, the voice - everything about those scenes are penultimate in effects.
OH.. and don't forget the cyclone!! (or twister.. or tornado.. ha. depends on what part of the country you live in..ha) Oh wow... I still think that is one of the most realistic "storms" in a movie I have ever seen. It was actually menacing.. and terrifying.. and BEAUTIFUL all at the same time. (much like what I think a real tornado would be.. ha. But I hope I never see one anywhere else but on tv to find out)
HI Miss Bronxie:
What's always fascinated me about ?THE WIZARD OF OZ? is the deft way it depicts the unconscious reality of dreams; dream-logic...When Dorothy is trapped in the witch's castle, and she hears her three friends on the other side of the door, she calls out, "Hurry, the hourglass is almost empty!" as if they already know what's going on inside.?
Ha.. that hourglass line always bugs me.. ha. At least since I have been old enough to figure out they have no idea what she is referring to.. ha. I keep expecting the scarecrow or lion to say.. "What hourglass" when they break through the door. ha But you are right.. this film doesn't worry about those sorts of issues. And it doesnt' have to make sense all the time anyway.. it IS a dream. (Or is it??? ha.)
Hiya Miss Maven:
comment just re-confirms my thoughts that we (humans) really have more in common than we don?t have things in common.
You have it right.. I think movies (and with regard to this conversation.. especially classic films) just have a way for breaking through all those other "issues' and give us all a common ground to build on. It is fun to meet so many people from so many walks of life and get to know a few of them. This message board has given me a chance to learn so much about films and actors and directors I might never have even noticed before.. but also to meet some really great people along the way.
And PS: Thanks for sharing more of your memories from the Fan Progammer event. That STILL seems like the coolest thing I think I ever heard. ha. (and here I am getting to talk every day to some of you folks.. GEE.. I love that)
Oh...and you're right about this as well: having movies ON DEMAND, or on DVD or VHS has taken the anticipation out of the experience of movie viewing, somewhat. But there is something to be said for having access at our fingertips. I'm torn.
Me too, kiddo. ha. I do like the convenience that the modern day technology allows.. but I miss some of that anticipation of looking forward to FINALLY getting to see that old fave that hasn't been on in a long while..
But come to think of it... GEE.. since my DVD and tape collection is NOTHING compared to some folks.. I guess I do get to have that "anticipation" thing TOO, here at TCM as well. ha. I get so excited to FINALLY get to see a film I haven't been able to catch before. But.. my problem is just REMEMBERING to check that doggone schedule... I have grown so forgetful in my old age... (sigh)
Edited by: rohanaka on Mar 21, 2010 2:00 AM
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> I learned three things watching "My Darling Clementine." (I pretty much already knew them.) Doc Holliday is an arrogant SOB. Chihuahua throws like a girl. And Wyatt Earp is as slow and measured and deliberate as any western character.
OH me! ha. Chris, why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel. ha. :-)
I like your bold take on all three characters, sir.
And I do see your point about Doc.. he does have a level of arrogance. But you know what I saw mor in him... self deception. He wanted to believe he was NO LONGER the man Clem once knew (and in many ways he wasn't) but he still had his pride and he still had a level of honor about him that all that booze and "wrong living" could not cover up. He made sure Wyatt knew Chihuahua had lied about where she got that necklace. It was not that he wanted to rat her out, or even the Clantons. He wanted HIS name cleared. That said a lot to me about what he really was deep down inside, underneath all the "outer shell" he'd built around him. I liked that about him a lot.
And you are right on target about Wyatt. He was a very "deliberate" sort of person. In fact, I saw a different kind of arrogance in HIM than I did in Holliday. But it suited him a lot. He was a straight shooter and he did not put up w/ anything once there was something he was being asked to put up with. (and I liked that about HIM a lot too)
And as for Chihuahua throwing like a girl.. ha. well... she WAS one wasn't she??? (and PS.. we gals will take that as a compliment... she was a DEAD shot w/ that pitcher, now wasn't she??? ha)
> Earp is at times nonchalant of his own fame. He throws his name around as if he were like anyone but everyone knows him and it carries weight. It does not go to his head. It is different with Clanton. There he uses it for effect. He knows it got Clanton's attention.
OH boy, the look on old man Clanton's face. It was is he had just swallowed his gum.. if only for a moment. And then he looked MAD.
> About the ending scene. My DVD has both versions. The first has Wyatt talking to Clementine. He tells her of his plans, shakes hands and gets on his horse and rides off. The second is the final version where the scene has a studio shot of Wyatt kissing Clementine on the cheek. I prefer the former. Wyatt, with his gentleness and shyness with Clementine doesn't strike me as the kind who would be bold enough with her to kiss her. The first way just seems more natural.
I liked the kiss. I wanted the kiss. Give me the ending with the kiss. (HA!) :-)
> It is probably Mature's best performance. Even with the twist of history the story and the supporting cast adds plenty of depth and makes for a first rate film.
I am sure a lot of liberties were taken with the historical facts (we are talking about a Fordie, afterall) and the whole incident at the OK Corral is the stuff that legends are made of. But boy... it was a grand film, wasn't it? And the ending with Holiday was a very poignant one. In this version he got to go out on his terms (rather than the sadder way that history records)
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Thanks, my friend. And you too again, Miss G. But lets face the REAL truth.. ha. I am just a blabber mouth and you folks are my enablers.. ha!
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Ha... Ms. Favell.. again we posted at the same time. ha. (It is our " trademark signature") ha.
if you liked it, you could stay my friend.
WOW... ha. You took your movies SERIOUSLY.. even back then! ha. (ps.. I LOVE this film, ha. glad I pass the test!! ha)
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Yay.... I just did a quick google and Cluny is a youtube... I have NO clue when I will get the time to watch... but reading even just a portion of all of this is telling me I will have to figure it out. OH wowsa. (good golly.. I just get ONE movie crossed off my wanna see list in time to add another!!) sigh...
But I will try and make time soon. (but may not be able to until the weekend) But thanks for bringing this one to my attention folks. I will look forward to it.