Stephen444
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>Dude, how did you do that chart so that it shows up on the Board?
I'm no tecky but I figured it out from posts on the _General Issues Forum_ I made the diagram in a software program called Inspiration.
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Yes, I enjoyed making it. I'm a visually oriented person and it helped me get a handle on many of the actresses that I was not familiar with that were discussed.
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I limited the diagram to actresses that were the right age in 1950. As I said earlier in this post, I can certainly see a young Joan Crawford or Bette Davis in Eve's part.
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A summary of all the actresses discussed here...hope this works
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The ending of John Waters "Pink Flamingos". By far the most repulsive acts ever filmed made even more disgusting because it was real.
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The wrestling scene in Women in Love is my favorite part of the whole damn movie! I LOVE seeing Bill Sykes (Oliver!) **** as a jay bird!
I don't consider myself homophobic but I would have to say that most guys feel a little uneasy watching it.
Other examples...
Endings to "They Shoot Horses Don't They" and "Looking For Mr. Goodbar". Both excellent films but disturbing. Of course most artists would feel good to hear that there work is found to be disturbing.
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Wrestling scene between Oliver Reed and Alan Bates in "Women In Love"
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I think the thread started out and is mostly about realistic options to the part of Eve but I also enjoy comparing actors of different generations which is what I was referring to in the case of a youthful Joan Crawford and Bette Davis. Sort of like comparing athletes of different times. Liz Taylor was probably just a little too young in 50 but then she was only 34 when she played "Martha" in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf".
Everyone's comments are very interesting. There is obviously a great deal of knowledge to be absorbed on this forum regarding the history of film.
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Arturo wrote:
"As for other choices mentioned here: Joan Crawford???? She was the age of Margot. "
I meant a 24 year old Joan Crawford. I was making a comment about her uniquely strong camera presence. In her prime, she or Betty Davis would have been perfect for the part. I don't think any of these other ladies could have touched them.
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tikisoo wrote..."why are so many people afraid to admit they moved by sentimental stories?"
I didn't say Picnic is sentimental in the sense that it's milking us for emotion. I hate that kind of sentimentality. I think there are sentimental elements in the movie but it is saved by the strong emotions communicated in the story and by the exceptional performances.
Yes, as I grow older I find myself more open to films of the past that could be described as corny. I think there many films to be learned from and experienced. I especially like to think about the time that the film was created in and to think about how the elements of a movie are effected by the standards and customs of that time.
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I liked everyone in this movie, especially Rosalind Russell. I think everyone complimented each others personality. Some of the lines may be corny but this was made in 1955, what do you expect?
Yes some of the writing comes off as corny but I think that it is interesting and full of emotion.
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One of my favorite scenes is Mrs Potts's description of Hal toward the end of the movie. Talking to Flo she talks about how she had gotten so use to the smell of Geraniums, Mommas medicine then he came in and he clomped around the house like he was still outdoors. There was a man in the house and it felt good. Sorry ladies I know it's a 50s sexist remark but we are all different and this is the way alot of men are. We do clomp around and we break things and make messes but we also fix stuff.
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Good points about Holden's age and comparing how James Dean would have played the part.
I understand that they had to construct a special moving platform for Holden because of his dancing problems and they had to let him drink to get him through this scene.
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Sorry to hear that you found the words of William Inge to be of little interest. I would suggest that you try watching it again. There is much substance to be experienced in this film.
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Don't see Martin Milner's name in the credits. He would have been 19 in 1950.
I also have the the Moonglow theme which I listen to frequently but it's not the original version. Thanks for the info.
The F3 epitomizes the late 40s/early 50s. Very sexy. Not like the bland box engines today.
I would say that it is one of Novak's and Holden's best performances although I read an account of the making of this film that indicated that Kim Novak was isolated from other cast members. I don't think they got along very well including Holden.
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Ok, here's another suggestion for the part of Eve. Janet Leigh. She was 23 in 1950 and she would have provided both the innocence and forceful energy needed for this character.
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This is one of my favorite movies. Watching it makes me almost nostalgic for the 50s. it does what any superior film does, it transcends it's time.
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I would not say Anne Baxter is perfect. I would agree that she is adequate but definitely not a perfect Eve Harrington. Possibly the reason that you can't come up with another Eve is because it was the 50s. This was the era of Doris Day, big fin cars and high balls. If it gives you any solace I too cannot come up with a solid alternative. I keep coming up with someone like Elizabeth Taylor, but then she was only 18 in 1950. Probably too young although she looked mature for her age and she definitely reeked of star charisma.
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Watching Mickey talk about Judy I wondered whether there was a romantic connection between them. My wife says that Louis B Mayer didn't want them to be together romantically because of their career's.
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Nancy Olson, Barbara Bel Geddes, Jean Crane, Joan Collins, June Haver are all possibilities but thinking about it more this morning I think the clear choice for the part of Eve would have been a young Bette Davis or Joan Crawford. Who else in 1950 could have equaled their talents for this role?
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"Anne Baxter would have been 27 in 1950.... hardly too old to play Eve"
Not too old but I think there is a reference in the dialogue to Eve actually being 24, which was Marilyn's age in 1950.
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"Now as far as Marilyn, what if instead of playing Miss Casswell
she played Phoebe instead..now hold on..Marilyn was only 23 when
she made this, so was Barbara Bates, Marilyn, with the right wardrobe
had the vulnerability and innocence to be convincing as the high school fan
who worshiped Eve, now the reason why...Marilyn woud have had that last
triple mirror shot all to herself.. what a sight to behold, everytime there is
a tribute to her, show this great triple mirror shot of her for posterity..BRAVO"
I think that's a great thought. After listening to everyone's comments Marilyn probably wouldn't have been right for the part of Eve but it's interesting to plug different thoughts into other casting concepts.
Don't know about June Haver. Not familiar with her.
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"You miss the point of Eve's character entirely. She's a schemer, through and through, willing to step over, and/or torpedo anyone who gets in her way.
The very essence of Marilyn's screen persona is the guileless victim; she couldn't be further from what the script and story demanded that Eve be. Monroe couldn't have even begun to play such a character; she was an actress of severely limited range, and just trying it wouldve exposed her as the one-note wonder she was, and ruined her career."
I think you have a point about the scheming element of the character in this movie but I wouldn't characterize MM as having a limited range. How can you say that she was limited after her performance in the Misfits? She was a product of her time. The Hollywood of the 50's and 60s wanted sex pots not real character development. I think her opportunities were limited throughout her career. She had to marry a playwright to get a good part!
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The Man in The Gray Flannel Suit vs. Mad Men
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>The "continuing story" concept is something TV does well. It was effective in HILL STREET BLUES
I don't know but I could always watch individual episodes of Hill St. Blues as well as St. Elsewhere, All Creatures Great and Small and Upstairs Downstairs. The crucial element in these productions was good writing which seems to be sadly lacking in many continuing story efforts today.