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After the 2 year contract is up there are no penalties so I assume a lot of people are no longer under contract to Dish.
Looks like it is now Direct TV's turn:
http://www.avclub.com/article/amc-warns-directtv-users-they-might-lose-amc-soon-211376
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This kind of thread tells me that there is a concern about TCM changing-- or else it wouldn't be on anyone's mind to go back and look at other earlier criticism about the channel.
Of course, the goal is to mock such criticism, but it is still there nonetheless-- and this thread is on some level reactionary.
Plus, the apologists have nothing better to do with their time.
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Take a look at this:
And this!:
What is going on with TCM !!!!! I'm SOO aggravated!!!
And this!!:
Oh, wait. It's 2014.
Aren't you clever.
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Sure----you CAN gripe all you wish. Just please keep from griping about your griping NOT getting the results you WISH!
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Huh? Can you parse that sentence?
The entire point of griping is griping about not getting the results I wish, hence the griping. Have you been to many message boards? This one is lightweight.
I still remember fondly one about Jon Seda where the gripers griped until there was no more griping to be done, that was how much griping was griped by the group's gripers. Well, the man DID kill Homicide:Life On The Street, so the group's grandiose disgruntled griping was justified.
And correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you agree with the very nice Patti when she said:
It would be a rather boring world if we all thought alike and all liked the exact same things.
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OH, PATTI----Didn't you notice? A lot of people in here are the sort who feel the world is a boring place BECAUSE not everybody else likes the same things THEY do....OR thinks the same way. AND, in MY experience, you can find a LOT of people with that attitude on FACEBOOK!
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So wait, I can gripe here about things I don't like with TCM, or I can't gripe here about things I don't like with TCM?
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The people who are in charge at TCM can run it as they wish. Tell you what---I don't know if the station has ever gone public, so I don't know if stock in TCM can be accquired, but if it CAN, BUY a trainload of it and go gripe at the next shareholders meeting. Or do the same with the stock in the company that houses TCM, which means how the station is run, and what any of US think about it has little priority to them. So we'll have to settle. AND adapt. Just like in REAL life!
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Nope. Free message board. I can gripe here.
Anything else?
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In other words, its mission in 2094 should be exactly the same as its mission in 1994, movies from the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s?
Okay, I guess I should have used
or 
instead of 
. Sorry if you were misled.Short answer to your question: No, I don't. I'm perfectly satisfied with the mix of eras and genres that TCM provides us with over the course of any given month or year. My idea of "classic" movies isn't restricted to those from the studio era.
My idea of "classic" movies isn't restricted to those from the studio era.
And mine are. As Patti said, to each his/her own. Not on THIS board, of course, but somewhere on a very liberal board where speech is free - TEH/HO.
That's why I want a separate classically classics only TCM station, which will never happen, so the apologists need not fire off a volley of flames.
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Seeing this brand montage reminds me once again how much I miss the olden, golden days when TCM spent the $$ to do live action promos instead of the current practice of "nothing but effects" (read: Much Cheaper To Produce) promos. Glad these have been preserved on Youtube at least.
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Wow, I don't even remember this. I probably thought it was a commercial, and turned it off.
I don't think I've ever seen Turner Classic Movies written out on the new and unimproved TCM promos - like KFC, they don't want to let us know what they once were and no longer are, i.e., classic.
Thanks for the memories, Fred.
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Thank you. As I've gotten older I see things in a much different light, we learn what's really important. We also learn to pick and choose our battles and things said on a message board don't even come close to the top 10.
My ONLY battle is my health. Health and family, that is what's important.
In a perfect world nobody would argue over trivial things but sadly....it's far from a perfect world.
My favorite expression is, 'Don't sweat the small stuff and remember, it's all small stuff'. My grandchildren even use that now.
Have a blessed day!
Health and family, that is what's important.
Amen, Patti, it's nice to have you here.
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I actually see it requested quite often. I also think it's a cute family film. I have it taped and my grandchildren love watching it. I guess to each their own. It would be a rather boring world if we all thought alike and all liked the exact same things.
I guess to each their own. It would be a rather boring world if we all thought alike and all liked the exact same things.
What a nice sentiment, PattiTexas. Imagine if everyone here let everyone else here think and like and write about just what they wanted and didn't post remarks in the vein of the one you got.
But hey, then this wouldn't be the one, the only, TCM message board.
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these are '60s Universals that have fallen into obscurity and seem to have been unaired for decades
Maybe TCM could try to broadcast them. Is spending a bus load of cash on the Lord of the Rings trilogy a better thing to do? Not necessarily.
You forgot about the [sarcasm on] amazing, unbelievable, best classically classic film ever made, it will shock and awe you in its brilliance [sarcasm off]:
FAME!!!!!!!!!
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You're wasting your time with the Suggest a Movie nonsense. They play what is in the Turner Library, and then they play titles outside that library that they are interested in showing. The only times they have played what the fans wanted was when they threw a few crumbs to fans for Joel McCrea's Star of the Month tribute (which took two years and a massive campaign from viewers to finally accomplish) and then again when they had fan programmers on air for the 15th and 20th anniversaries. There is no democracy when it comes to most programming choices, you need to get that out of your head right now. LOL
The apologists are due here any minute, and as soon as they get off the bus with the banner on the side of it that says 'TCM is Good' they will put their (predictable) spin on it in countless posts.
The apologists are due here any minute, and as soon as they get off the bus with the banner on the side of it that says 'TCM is Good' they will put their (predictable) spin on it in countless posts.
I, uncharacteristically, have nothing to add!
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It is not possible to establish an account with Amazon if you can not provide a telephone number. Amazon will neither provide options nor waive the requirement.
Those with hearing impairments typically use TTD/TTY and so have telephone numbers.Those whose conditions mean that they are greatly affected by having disembodied voices speaking directly to them generally do not have access to such equipment or available equipment is inappropriate.Those whose conditions mean that conversations are difficult to maintain have similar situation.It is here a question of Amazon requiring a physical street address and will routinely ship parcels to that address even when an alternative address is supplied.
It is frequent occurrence that these people will push beyond routine or assigned physical rehabilitation activities and by doing so cause stress or injury which requires them to stay at facility overnight or even to be hospitalized. It is common also that a scan performed at hospital as part of routine evaluation of progress reveals a development which must be evaluated. This can quickly change an expected hour at hospital into an overnight stay while evaluation is performed and response formulated.
Many of these people have their important mail and all packages sent to a post office box where the items will be held securely. Amazon requiring a physical street address virtually assures that they will at times send packages to that address even although it is not secure. Their dependence on UPS has resulted in many instances of: notice left on door, expensive cab ride to UPS terminal, UPS refuses to release package to person because they do not have a driver's license, package returned to Amazon marked: 'delivery refused.'
Of import also is that Amazon streaming must be over public wifi which is often overloaded and/or insufficient for reliable streaming of video. The wifi which TWC has installed in many places for use by their customers is more than adequate for good viewing experience.
Amazon is well acquainted with these issues. The best outcome to date of which I am aware is the paying of lip service with no actual change in policies nor accommodation of disability. More typical is that a potential customer will send an e-mail beginning: "I can not use a telephone" and Amazon's response is: "you must call customer service to resolve this issue."
Ah! Thank you, Sans Fin. Now I understand.
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Do you consider it a plus or a minus that cable companies will be very accommodating in taking any person's money while Amazon refuses to allow people to have accounts if they can not use a telephone or their time is irregularly divided between home, physical rehabilitation facility or hospital?
TWC has stepped up their services recently by allowing access to television packages via tablet via their free wifi. This option has greatly improved the quality of life of some of the veterans with whom I have regular contact.
Amazon refuses to allow people to have accounts if they can not use a telephone or their time is irregularly divided between home, physical rehabilitation facility or hospital?
Refuses? Can you explain further?
if they can not use a telephone
Cannot physically use a telephone?
or their time is irregularly divided between home, physical rehabilitation facility or hospital?
If a person is able bodied and travels between home, rehab and a hospital, wouldn't that person have a laptop at home and a tablet on the go?
I'm not understanding, and I would like to pursue with Amazon.
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I have one of those on my wall right now. It works so well I bought one for my friend who can no longer afford cable. I have that plus a smart tv. So I can stream and watch OTA television for about 1/5 my dish cost.
Your cable provider rents it to you. Its included in your monthly cost. Cable gives nothing away ! As was stated earlier.
Well today netfilx is about $8 a month. Amazon $100 a year which is $8.33 a month. My dish is $80 a month. For that much of a difference, I'll take my chances. And if they go too high, I'll just turn on my roku. It has classic films also.
Notice everytime you buy any electronic product, they pressure you to buy some 4 year warranty ? Its all pure profit . That's why they push it so hard. Or every fast food meal charges a dollar for a drink that costs them a nickel ? Every business has that one product or division where they get outrageous profit margins.
I never rented anything from dish. As a matter of fact, my dish is so old they need me to upgrade to a new one. No contract. No cost. A free HD box and dish :-) just to get me to stay.
You don't they're already sweating ? Did you hear that call that went viral when a subscriber wanted to leave comcast ?
Amazon $100 a year which is $8.33 a month.
Yes, but for $100. a year Amazon also gives you 2 day free shipping, access to just about everything on this planet, including car parts, and some of the best customer service out there.
FIOS and Cablevision give you jack besides the overpriced media bundle and equipment rental, and it's $200. a month for FIOS.
Good, I'm glad they're all sweating. But I want to see them get hurt where it hurts the most to them, their wallets.
When you say classic films, what does ROKU access? I know I can see ACORN on ROKU, but ACORN costs (at least right now) $50. a year. Does ROKU have a library?
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When you the customer sign on to a cable or satellite service you are usually locked in to stay on , at their rate, for a period of time. So if I sign on to a service, buying a premium package to get a channel like TCM, then the service abruptly drops that channel, why shouldn't I have the right to abruptly drop the service, or at least drop down to a lower rate level of that service?
Because they're...........Fred, you want to take it from here?
Case in point - I have no contract with FIOS. However, they can - and do - raise rates whenever their greedy little hearts desire. My choice, my risk.
Cable companies are not in the business of satisfying customers. They are in the business of money. Period.
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yeah, but at least a cable provider will give a subscriber the needed equipment. certainly the cost for installation and a converter box is preferable to the cost of a satellite dish.
? Satellite providers don't include the satellite? On a rip-off rental fee, just like the cable companies?
I'm so glad this was all deregulated. Wouldn't you love to know what the politicians pocket in kickback fees from all these L&C?
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No, Per Dish, they state they don't guarantee you any channels.
As Fred Dobbs so succinctly put it: all cable companies are liars and crooks.
I was a customer of Cablevision for years and years and years, they had a monopoly in Westchester. Over time, they stole 10 analog channels, TCM being one of them, to force everyone to digital. I told them the minute another cable company paid off enough politicians to let them into Westchester, I was gone. They didn't care.
So the liar and crook FIOS paid off enough politicians to come into Westchester, and I switched. No, they're no better.
Fun part: less than a month later, Cablevision paid a salesman to come to my door in an attempt to get me to switch back. I didn't.
Seems Dish and Direct TV are no different from any of the other liar and crook cable companies. But hey, whose fault is that? Ours.
I look forward to the day when streaming and all the other alternative methods of viewing television make the cable companies sweat.
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I like it when TCM programs occasional "newer" films, but I think LOTR may be going too far. It has been on other channels regularly; I've often watched it down in the gym, whilst on the treadmill. And it's also that rare film series -- well-placed commercials are welcome, due to the length, so I haven't minded seeing the films on "commercial" stations. On the other hand, regarding "newer" films, I was thrilled to see the Whit Stillman films and interview on TCM. Those don't show up elsewhere and are kind of special.
One might think TCM is showing LOTR to bring in that most elusive of commodities, a young audience, in the hopes that they will stay and watch the "classic" films. But in my long professional experience struggling with that mission, I found that the youth who are interested will find you; you don't have to "sell your soul" to recruit them.
I found that the youth who are interested will find you; you don't have to "sell your soul" to recruit them.
Amen, Swithin. Well said.
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Yes-- but they are showing endless repeats of LAURA. And endless repeats of THE YOUNG LIONS, another Fox picture. We have discussed this problem elsewhere. They are running some of these films into the ground.
Again, and I have said this before, every time they show a post-code film it is one less chance to see a silent, a pre-code or a code film. If you want Jean Arthur, you now have less chance of seeing her on TCM because she does not appear in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
If you want Jean Arthur, you now have less chance of seeing her on TCM because she does not appear in the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Which, like Fame, are outstanding classically classic films.
Fame.
...............Fame.
If I may paraphrase you - oy to the gevalt.
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Interesting. I was told by a Brit that they show a lot of the films of James Mason, particularly his older ones. Which seldom are seen on this side of the pond.
Blech.Lucky us.
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I think not. Osborne said drawing from other catalogs. when was the last time tcm drew anything from the K. Gordon Murray mexican import "catalog"? not recently I
Phew. I guess you think not.
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"...only loyal to themselves and their perfectly fragile 'me-me-me & TCM' relationship."
-could also define 'anti-apologists' as well
No, we don't attack, we only return the volley against those who must insist all is well with the Emperor Who Has No Clothes.
We only tell the truth, the apologists can't handle the truth.
No matter, TCM is going the way of the Woolly Mammoth, and we are witness to it. Sad.
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This is, and always has been, the mission of TCM, as stated by Robert Osborne at the very beginning of the very first show:
Hi, welcome to Turner Classic Movies. I'm Robert Osborne, I'm gonna be your host, right here, as we present some of the best, the--finest films ever made, twenty-four hours a day. We're going to be drawing not only from the great film libraries of MGM and Warner Brothers, but also from other outstanding catalogs, so: Come join us, and see not only great films and stars from the past, but also films from recent years, featuring some of our newest and most watchable stars (Emphasis mine).
TCM is doing today exactly what it always has done.
Been hypocritical?
or 
instead of 
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A look at the promotion of "Starring Virginia Weidler"... Is TCM shortchanging the less known classic actors?
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They are all on their way to the Conference of Apologists, and their fans are getting trampled at the 'Save TCM Rally' happening outside the hotel.
You are on a roll, TopBilled! Ever see the Bugs Bunny cartoons where the wolf has smoke coming out of his ears and his eyes are popping? Substitute apologists for wolf....................
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