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Yeah, it's quite annoying, isn't it, primos.
My guess as to why it has become "such a thing" is that somehow the young women who affect it believe that lowering their voices below their natural vocal register makes them sound more authoritarian.
(...and it's too bad they don't realize that all it does is make them sound more pretentious)
Okay, Dargo, I watched the YT, I tried it, and I ended up sounding like Froggy from The Little Rascals.
I guess I wouldn't cut it with today's youts.
Fred Gwynne: Yout? What's a yout?
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So, overeasy. Don't you know that that whole "vocal fry" thing is now the new hip way for young women to increase their "gravitas factor"?!!!
Uh huh! It makes 'em sound SO much more "serious" AND "contemplative" to other people when they say things in that manner, ya see!
(...AND, it's NOT just a "Valley Girl" thing anymore, ya know...nope, it's gone NATIONAL, dude!!!) LOL
Whoa. I had never heard of 'vocal fry' - and here I thought 'uptalking' was annoying. Thanks, guys. I just googled 'vocal fry', and now my ears are bleeding.
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I think we all have a stereotype story. One of my housekeepers was Mexican. I felt very close to her. I remember when I watched the 1959 version of IMITATION OF LIFE-- you know, the part where Lana Turner cries at the end when Juanita Moore dies, it really teared me up. You do become close to someone like that. My second housekeeper was from Australia. Ironically, the Mexican woman who worked for me was a legal citizen-- but the white woman (the Aussie) was illegal. So that in itself shows that the stereotype is not always true.
ONE of your housekeepers?
ONE?
I'm in awe.
No, seriously. In a-w-e awe.
I'll leave it to someone else to ask the total number of housekeepers you had.
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Yep, she's right up there with Michael Curtiz and Billy Wilder . . . "50 First Dates" or "Casablanca" and "Sunset Boulevard?" You make the call.
Lydecker
Are Mike and Bill available to serve as commentators?
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Of course, insult is often in the eye/mind of the recipient, and some people are SO sensitive! Are you one of those delicate creatures? I guess we have to be careful. I once said something unkind about Barbara Stanwyck on this board, and another poster took it so personally that she was off the boards for days. I later heard from another poster that the poster in question even considered never coming back, she was that sensitive. So I learned, be careful about how you BS about BS!
Are you one of those delicate creatures?
MEEEEEEE?????????????
Oh, man, thank you for the laugh, Swithin. I'm as sensitive as the hide of the poor remaining white rhino, which man in his greed will kill off very soon.
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Blech! Ben just said that Hitch wanted Gary Cooper and Joan Fontaine for Foreign Correspondent.
Blech!
Funny thing, with all this jibberjabber about the supposed faults of Ben, I'm actually now feeling protective of the guy when I see him on the ins and outs. Although, seriously Ben, brown shoes with a blue suit?
You remember what George Gobel said, don't you?
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I think it's ok to criticize (which is different from insulting) the quality of individual arts presenters, actors, directors, etc. That's part of what we're here for. My feeling about Svengoolie is akin to something Dorothy Parker once said about someone: "Tonstant Weader Fwowed Up."
I think it's ok to criticize (which is different from insulting) the quality of individual arts presenters, actors, directors, etc.
Now that's interesting. So it IS OK! Guess I have to learn how to criticize.
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Drew??? Drew??? Permanent TCM Host??!! What is this? Some horrifying, futuristic "TCM For Idiots" nightmare?? Say it isn't so. On the other hand . . . everything would be so "awesome" and "amazing" (not).
Lydecker
But, but, but ............. she's reverential.
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lets cut the crapola, shall we? the simple truth is that it is just plain dumb to demonize sots. rebels without a cause. it makes about as much sense as finding fault with pinocchio for it's treatment of puppets. pinocchio shouldn't wish to be human but revel in the joys of wood construction.
How great that this lovely thread was bumped up.
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I already mentioned the reason in my post: TCM is a movie channel that tends to pay respects to filmmakers. It is TCM's *nature* to sound reverential. If you want to know why, ask TCM. If you don't want reverence in your movie channel, switch channel. Robert Osborne would be just as out of place in channels like Spike, or Chiller, etc., just as any irreverent person would be on TCM.
I don't care what TCM is or isn't. I watch it because it sometimes has good black and white movies from the 1930s and 1940s. I sometimes get good info from RO when I'm not being distracted by his forehead and from Ben M.
How do you know what TCM's 'nature' is or isn't?
No, I don't have to 'switch the channel' because you tell me to. I NEVER have to 'switch the channel' because someone told me to. In addition, I have the right to complain about the reverence for all things RO and all things TCM as much as you have the right to put TCM and RO on a pedestal.
Ben M. is irreverent and he's doing just fine, thank you, on TCM.
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To all,
The crux of the matter is that Robert Osborne always sounds REVERENTIAL in everything he does, which is the exact quality Ben lacks, and which is why he gives the impression of smugness. TCM is not like other movie channels. More than any other channels, it pays the highest respects to the films and the filmmakers, so every person who appears on the channel really has to have a certainly, well, respectability.
Alec Baldwin is another smugity-smug son of a gun. It is almost surreal to see him sitting next to Robert hosting in the Essentials. Here is a complete gentleman in every sense of the word sitting next to someone who throws hissy fits at practically every known living thing.
Mark my word, Drew Barrymore WILL be the next permanent TCM host. She is the only person on the channel so far whom I can envision doing that job.
The crux of the matter is that Robert Osborne always sounds REVERENTIAL in everything he does
And you need to have your commentary reverential why exactly?
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I think there are a number of posters here who do exactly that.
Well, slayton, I must be getting to the point where I am bypassing them, or ignore them. I will take your word for it, but I find it unbelievable that anyone could do that. How sad.
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Seriously doubt this. His movies are of one limited genre for one thing. More importantly, he is continuously interrupting for inane commentary and long commercials. Movies on TCM are never interrupted. You may have to listen to silly comments at introduction and end (mute button works well here), but can watch the movies without interruption.
I have tried to watch Svengoolie and quit after the third long commercial break in about 20 minutes. Even muting doesn't help. Tried recording and fast forwarding and that didn't work either.
BTW, I watch MeTV for the old tv shows-and watch it frequently, even though I have cable with all the premium channels.
Regardless,this thread is getting really silly. MeTV almost exclusively shows old tv shows, NOT movies. TCM shows old movies and NO tv shows.
this network and gettv are much more of a competition to TCM than MeTV will ever be.
NO tv shows................... Johnny Carson.
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That doesn't discount my point that this is the industry's biggest event where the people in the industry pay respect to one another. Even when you are invited to a PORN FILM AWARD ceremony, you still have to be reverential to the proceedings.
UMMMMMMM, okay.
then what's all this talk of "Ben being SOOOOO ****" on some rinky dink preOscar broadcast show in which the usual goings on are pretty much nothin' BUT showin' off all the lovely little gowns and expensive jewelry all the female stars are GIVEN to wear every year, HUH???!!!
'zactly, Dargo. HUH???!!! is right. The operative word is PRE Oscar broadcast - I was beginning to get the impression that I missed Ben standing up during the actual broadcast and mooning the contenders.
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Rats. After all of that, I forgot to watch.
If it were going to be shown again, that would be noted on the schedule, correct?
Phooey.
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This has always been a favorite film of mine. My first exposure to the title was the TV show back in the 1960s which, quite frankly, I didn't like it too much. When I finally watched the film, I was very pleasantly surprised.
I love the whole cast; everyone is perfect. I really like Natalie Wood. She was such as fine child actress. I've always found it interesting that Daniel promises Mrs. Muir he would never let Anna see him, but later in the film we find out that, indeed, he did have conversations with her. I've also seen production stills that show Natalie Wood with Rex Harrison and I've wondered if they shot scenes of the two of them together and then decided not to use them. ?? You kinda almost get the hint that she knows of him when Mrs Muirs in-laws come over and he throws them out bodily.... then you see Natalie Wood peeking from the next room. seems like they wanted you to believe that she saw him throwing them out, but decided not to pursue that storyline.
I think my favorite line or part in the film is when Anna is all grown up and they start to talk about the George Sanders character. And, Gene Tierney says, "funny, I once thought I wanted to spend the rest of my life with him". How many times some of us have experienced that.
The musical scores fits perfectly and it's shot nicely throughout. I guess I always feel a little bad that she walks out the door with Rex at the end leaving Martha to go upstairs and find that she's passed away... an elderly lady left there all by herself in a imminent episode of hysteria. But still, a truly wonderful film.
It opened in NYC at Radio City Music Hall.... How I'd love to see it there.
I agree. It was perfect. It was also cute to hear Ben introduce it as being directed by his (great) Uncle Joe.
As many times as I've seen it, I've never once been able to get through the end without choking up.
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I have to confess, tonight I spent some of my viewing time watching Me TV ; Svengoolie and THE WOLF MAN (one of the best of all of the Universal horror flicks). I was just wondering, if Me TV didn't exist and TCM had broadcast a Svengoolie type show around a film during the 10 pm to midnight (est) what would the reaction be among the TCM viewers here?
I did too! I never got to watch the movie, due to the dangblasted amount of commercials, but I did see Rich Koz paying homage to Black Tooth and White Fang at his set door. At any rate, the man has been at it for 35 years, and I give him props for staying power in an ugly industry.
If TCM ran Svengoolie's show without commercial interruption? I'd be the first to watch.
NipkowDisc, I thought you liked this show?
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I agree with many of the positions you hold, but I would like elaborate on a few points, if it does not involve drawing too fine distinctions. I don't think it's the showing of films that perpetuates the demeaning stereotypes, but the excusing and minimizing of them that does. I do think, however, it is perfectly appropriate to automatically take offense at what is wrong, whether it is prejudice, or animal cruelty.
As for old films with stereotypes, I agree with you completely, show them, but recognize them for being flawed. This is something you may not be aware I've stated in other threads--this topic has been extensively explored on this site. My argument is that it is the people who excuse, or try to justify those portrayals that perpetuate them.
And you don't have to worry too much about the kind of intros the like of which Trader Horn got. It is a rare exception. Most movies that have what might be considered objectionable material in them don't get any kind of intro, let alone one alerting viewers about the content.
I don't think it's the showing of films that perpetuates the demeaning stereotypes, but the excusing and minimizing of them that does.
I think we've established through many, many conversations on this board that none of us here excuse or minimize racially, ethnically, or religiously inappropriate or demeaning old movies. What I find equally objectionable is the censoring of these old movies or the decision not to show them, to appease the PC crowd.
I do think, however, it is perfectly appropriate to automatically take offense at what is wrong, whether it is prejudice, or animal cruelty.
Sadly, the slaughter of animals for sport or fun is still tolerated and encouraged in the world. One just need witness the moronic reality shows in the U.S. that have no problem showing the killing in prime time. As long as money is involved, every species that can be marketed will be made extinct. I for one look forward to it - first, because those animals will no longer suffer, and second, because I happily await the impact on man of no longer having the species that weren't valued for their importance in the food chain, thanks to greed.-----as of today, only six white rhino left, a male just died. There you go, all those moronic males relying on the horn of this noble animal - they throw away the rest - will have to go to CVS.
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I didn't see that intro, but regarding that particular film, I had considered making a post here to warn people about it's content of actual gruesome animal slaughter. I've never seen all of it, but I vividly recall some scenes that I wouldn't wish to be inflicted on anyone. This is the kind of content that I feel like the hosts should warn people about, something really disturbing at a time when children (or myself) might be watching.
However I do roll my eyes when they apologize for showing Birth of a Nation, or when Bob warns us to leave the room because we're about to see a drawing of a black stereo-type. Over time, we should become less sensitive to these things, not more. It's silly too suddenly find something offensive after all these years.
Erm... these statements don't seem contrary to each other, do they? At least nothing gets killed in the latter...
Children? Well, now THERE is something I wouldn't want to see. Tantamount to the good ole westerns where horses were willy nilly thrown off cliffs for the sake of moronic action.
Couldn't care less about PC or non-PC movies, but when I happen upon a movie (movies outside of the U.S. don't care about the AHA guidelines even today) that thinks nothing of killing an animal, they won't be getting my eyeballs.
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A couple of days ago, I was really shocked when I heard the President say that he "shook hands with, hugged, and kissed" several of the Dallas Nurses who had treated the original ebola patient.
Now, of course, two Dallas nurses are in hospitals with their own cases of ebola.
And now, so is one of their boyfriends. Cue the music from The Killers.
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"Taking the mickey out of the Oscars" is NOT a job for someone who is actually ATTENDING the Oscars. That job is for those who critique the show *afterwards*, like Joan Rivers and E! and TMZ people. Again, there is a time and place for everything.
Whatever your personal opinion of the Oscars is, the FACT remains that this is the industry event where attendants are supposed to be in their best behavior. Would you crack jokes about the industry you work for when you attend a corporate gathering for that industry? Especially when you speak in front of the whole world? You would be seen as gauche and inexperienced.
It doesn't matter whether he was talking about their odds or their acting abilities, the fact is whether he made ANY kind of connection between the other nominees to "high school football teams" was inappropriate in itself. In fact, he shouldn't have mentioned sports at all. The Oscars celebrate primarily the artistry of film, and not winning one is not really seen as a total loss. Sometimes nominees are seen as winners too. The list of great filmmakers who have never won Oscars FAR OUTNUMBER the ones who have. Remember this.
Would you crack jokes about the industry you work for when you attend a corporate gathering for that industry?
Would I! You betcha. The corporation I worked for is a laughingstock, now known only for the bottom line, firing old people, and finding every legal loophole to s**** their employees and retirees whilst satisfying the shareholders.
My S/O, intelligently, won't let me go to the shareholder meetings. When my pension was almost stolen in 1999 (saved by some brave employees), I made up a tee shirt with an ancient Crayola software that said ******** Stole My Pension, and proudly wore it everywhere I knew other employees would be in attendance.
Yeah, I'm that kind of New Yawker.
However, even though I believe Ben had the right to say whatever he wanted, as do we all - and remember also, he didn't say it at the event, he said it before - I respect your opinion to disagree. Now, if you said Ricky Gervais was gauche in his comments (at some awards show or other) couched as comedy, I'd have to agree with you.
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Comparing film achievements to sports achievements is not really appropriate, and could be insulting to filmmakers. Many filmmakers have said so. In sports, if you don't win, you lose. But in film, a medium more about artistry, it is often not so much about winning and losing. Even if he took out the insulting innuendos in his comments, the comparison to sports alone would make his comments inappropriate.
Ben said "high school football team" not once, but twice, and piled it on with "not even a good high school football team". Again, it is WHEN and WHERE you say these things. Things OK to say on the E! or TMZ channel may not be OK to say at the Oscars, where the atmosphere is a little more reverential.
Not only was he gauche in his comments, he was a bad Oscar predictor as well. He picked "The Social Network" to win Best Picture, and in another segment, he thought Melissa Leo would lose.
The Oscars - not even the Oscars anymore, remember, it's the Academy Awards, or is it versa visa? - reverential? OMG, I hope that's a pun? The Oscars or AA or whatever they now are ARE E! and TMZ and every other moronic entertainment channel all rolled into one, anchored by clock watching idiots who can't wait to ask their oh-so-important questions and get the actors off, to make room for the next one. There's no more class or dignity to the Oscars, they are a bunch of publicity seeking twits and worse. There are the occasional old time actors, but mostly there are the no talent stars. You're probably thinking of the Oscars when Bob Hope hosted them.
It was a metaphor from Ben, and a good one, because Franco is a hack, and Colin Firth is an actor. Whom he picked to win, by the way. No better and no worse than any other predictor on his other picks. If his metier is sports, so be it. I like dogs, so I would have compared Firth to the very best about my dog, and Franco to what I pick up from my dog. How's that for a metaphor?
Please, let's not get carried away with reverence for the commercial jacked Oscars and Emmys and Tonys and such, they are all after the bottom line, talent and experience and dignity and quality be d-a-m-n-e-d. If you want any of the aforementioned, look to the BAFTAS, in a country that at least keeps their junk actors and hack shows to a minimum.
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Mank's "high school football players" comment did **** off James Franco, one of the Best Actor nominees that year. Franco shot back at Mank on Letterman the next night. But of course, that interview was famous for how he compared Anne Hathaway to "Tasmanian Devil".
Sorry I missed it. Considering Franco's drugged hosting gig with Anne Hathaway, I'm happy to read that.
The man should be asking 'you want fries with that', not making money hand over fist from stupid moviegoers.
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Yeah, and lets NOT forget here that SOME of us old native Californians(and where we learn to pronounce the letter "r") love that whole "smug" thing TOO, lady!!!
(...saaaay primos, ya think it's possible this whole "Ben is smug" thing might be most prevalent among the denizens of the "fly over" states??????)
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Heh, could be Dargo. Looks like us coastal states think smug is da best.
I still wonder why my grandparents got no farther from Ellis Island than New Yawk. Good on them, I'd hate to think what would happen to me in Kansas.
I should go sit down with that guy on PBS, he can fill me in on whether my grandparents were smart - or just lazy.
DISH just dropped TCM and other Turner channels!
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Ain't that the truth.