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That happened to me in the TV business, years ago. Older people usually have worked their way up to higher salaries, because of their vast experience in the business. Younger employees will work cheap, especially ones right out of high school and college.
But the young ones have no experience and will make a lot of mistakes. Watch for more mistakes, once all the over-55 people are gone and the 20-year-olds start running most of the functions of TCM. doh.... like the big snafuu last night with the one cartoon show run twice in a row, and the other one not shown at all.
That happened to me in the TV business, years ago. Older people usually have worked their way up to higher salaries, because of their vast experience in the business. Younger employees will work cheap, especially ones right out of high school and college.
Yup. Same here, Fred, in a corporation which outsourced my job overseas.
As Westbrook Van Voorhis used to say: Time marches on.
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Glad you and many others enjoyed it! It was an honor not only to appear, but especially to be able to provide these rare Bray films.
Indeed, thank you for appearing on TCM, in a refreshingly new program for them...and us.
I grew up in New Rochelle and my cousin worked at Terrytoons, but sadly I was never given a tour. That beautiful building, which has been sans the Mighty Mouse mural for numerous decades, is now home to one of the ubiquitous fruit markets in the former Queen Of The Sound.
If you ever host an Animation Block Party in Westchester, please let us know. Thank you again.
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Like all the other corporations in America, it's also all about age and the commensurate salaries and health care.
On Tuesday morning, CNN employees -- and those at other Turner Broadcasting networks such as TNT, TBS, and HLN -- were informed that staff over 55 years old or with the company for 10 or more years were eligible for a buyout. In a memo obtained by HuffPost, Turner indicated there will be "additional reductions in staff," presumably layoffs, in addition to the voluntary buyouts.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/26/cnn-buyouts-layoffs_n_5715795.html
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Did anyone let TCM know directly?
I for one want to thank them for an amazing insight into the birth of cartoons. How far we haven't come in animation.
It's amazing what TCM can do when they try.
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AVA!!!
(....oh and yeah, Hedy)
Well, Dargo, to paraphrase you - if I turn off TCM, I might miss my crush - what's the name of the man stuck in my avatar - oh yes, the one, the only, Warren William.
And:
He whose movies I watch over and over: Cary Grant.
She whom I wish TCM would interview before she's dead: Lizabeth Scott.
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even if we posters did represent a skewered sampling of opinions that is still better than some elite group of high societies on a pleasure cruise.
Hey, Benny M. isn't a member of high society!
Oh, wait, yes he is.
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Please tell me where I told you to shut up? I never did. I was one of the few that supported 2 TCM type channels.
But it appears I'm now part of this 'most' group.
Please tell me where I told you to shut up?
I didn't say you did. That was directed at the most group.
I never did.
I know you didn't. I never said you did.
I was one of the few that supported 2 TCM type channels.
I know you do, and I appreciate that.
But it appears I'm now part of this 'most' group.
Please don't put words in my mouth.
Okay, forget it, james. Seems I'm not going to be able to explain myself.
Why you ignored the lengthy explanation I gave you and then chose the post where I spoke of what the MOST WOULD HAVE ME DO is beyond me.
La di da. And so it goes.
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okay, okay! I take it back. I LOVE euro films.
my favorite euro film scene is when the amazon in the bikini chucks the mime of the cliff in modesty blaise. Twasn't you, was me that said that, Nipkow.
Easy, Fred, there are many people who don't like to read and watch movies. I thought you were one of them.
Judas Priest, lots of emotions running high here lately, including mine. I think it's time we all went on the cruise with Ben and talked to each other face to face.
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I'm just really confused by what 'removed' meant in the context of TCM. If it meant NOT viewing (watching) TCM because it doesn't show the type of flims one wants to see than the solutions I provided sounded reasonable to me. Note that Fred as well as others are watching films on YouTube. That 'solution' allows one to watch films that TCM doesn't show.
Just turning off TCM when it isn't showing you what you want to see doesn't solve the problem of being able to view what one does want to see. But hey, it does allow me to play more guitar!
Just turning off TCM when it isn't showing you what you want to see doesn't solve the problem of being able to view what one does want to see.
Exactly my point! But according to those most who would have me shut up because most of the people most of the time like what is being shown on TCM, I should just shut up and go away. No, it doesn't solve the problem, anymore than putting them on 'ignore' does. I know my suggestion of an additional TCM channel, like the multitudinous pay channels to the left and right of the originals, will never fly.
Therefore, because I am out of solutions, so...............I simply turn off the television set.
Sorry, Nipkow, I know I promised...........................starting NOW!
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Please reread what I wrote, james. And thanks, Dargo, but james is one of the good guys, I think we can work this out.
james, you said and I quote:
As to the solution for you, my only advise is to use YouTube with a device that allows one to display the content on your T.V. or to rent or purchase DVDs (which of course cost a lot more than watching TCM).
Yeah, that blindsided me, and if you read it, don't you see where you told me that, if I don't like what is on TCM, I should go watch YouTube - thanks, but I can barely do TV shows on Amazon Prime, I can't do movies on the computer and I can't yet find a good ROKU/Amazon FIRE TV thingy that meets my qualifications.
What figuratively slapped me upside the head was my inference from your implication (please let me know if I was wrong) that I should go elsewhere and not complain about TCM. As I said, I don't expect them to change anytime soon, any more than I expect those most to leave me peacefully to my own opinion.
james, I apologize if I offended, but in no way did I tell you to leave. No way. Peace sign? Stupid emoticons, you'd think there'd be one for a peace sign.
And before I p*** you off, Dargo, which I would never do, you are correct. TCM, in addition to the various PBS channels and the overpriced pay channels, is all there is. There ain't NO Warren William to be had elsewhere, and there ain't no one else (sorry Robert Fuller) I would rather have for my afterlife husband than Mr. Krech.
Sorry, Nipkow, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread, I'll shut the heck up.
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Wow, didn't expect that type of reply. Really, I don't see how I said anything that could get under you skin but clearly I did.
Why is the solution to my opinion removing myself from TCM? Say what?????
Frankly I don't even know what you mean by 'remove myself' as it relates to TCM.
Please reread what I wrote, james. And thanks, Dargo, but james is one of the good guys, I think we can work this out.
james, you said and I quote:
As to the solution for you, my only advise is to use YouTube with a device that allows one to display the content on your T.V. or to rent or purchase DVDs (which of course cost a lot more than watching TCM).
Yeah, that blindsided me, and if you read it, don't you see where you told me that, if I don't like what is on TCM, I should go watch YouTube - thanks, but I can barely do TV shows on Amazon Prime, I can't do movies on the computer and I can't yet find a good ROKU/Amazon FIRE TV thingy that meets my qualifications.
What figuratively slapped me upside the head was my inference from your implication (please let me know if I was wrong) that I should go elsewhere and not complain about TCM. As I said, I don't expect them to change anytime soon, any more than I expect those most to leave me peacefully to my own opinion.
james, I apologize if I offended, but in no way did I tell you to leave. No way. Peace sign? Stupid emoticons, you'd think there'd be one for a peace sign.
And before I p*** you off, Dargo, which I would never do, you are correct. TCM, in addition to the various PBS channels and the overpriced pay channels, is all there is. There ain't NO Warren William to be had elsewhere, and there ain't no one else (sorry Robert Fuller) I would rather have for my afterlife husband than Mr. Krech.
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You are missing half the movies if you read all the English dialogue captions. Some directors put a lot of different symbolic stuff in the photography, which you never see because you are busy reading the sub-titles.
Fred, after awhile you get used to watching and reading. I look to Showtime or HBO On Demand for very excellent foreign movies. In fact, I just today saw a denouncement of the crooked Venezuelan police, in Rock, Paper, or Scissors (Piedra, Papel, O Tijera) in which ALL of the main characters died - every single one, save one. Because the cops were crooked. I personally like that kind of movie, because I believe everyone in power is crooked.
But yes, you have to read and watch, quickly. And believe me, the exterior shots of Venezuela were gorgeously photographed. Ugly, gritty, dirty, but beautifully photographed. Foreign films are a world unto themselves, you have to be a fan. If you aren't, I can't explain why I love them.
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Does any other channel provide you with what your seek? I assume NOT. Of course TCM can be improved but to me no other channel comes close to meeting my needs as it relates to the showing movies from the 30s - early 60s, without commercials. So TCM is meeting my needs most of the time. I also watch MOVIES but they do have commercials.
As to the solution for you, my only advise is to use YouTube with a device that allows one to display the content on your T.V. or to rent or purchase DVDs (which of course cost a lot more than watching TCM).
Here we go. Why? Why is the solution to my opinion removing myself from TCM?
Also, in no way am I trying to surpress negative feedback at this forum.
Oh, so it's just my negative feedback you're trying to suppress? I told you I had no answer as to how TCM can be made better anymore. I said the horse had left the barn, and I told Nipkow that my solution was to turn off the channel.
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Here's a link to Charles Laughton's appearance doing the Gettysburg Address on the Abbott and Costello Show. It's pretty apparent that he's having a good time, and seemed to have a nice rapport with the comics, particularly Lou:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CKLVXNbtTk
I like the respect that Costello pays to Laughton during the latter's recitation.
On re-watch, I also found it interesting that Bud didn't seem to know whether to stay in character or not at the end, while Lou maintained the somber pose he adopted at the beginning of Mr. Laughton's recitation.
I may be reading into it, but I felt the distance between the two comics, on which much has been written, and found it sad.
I wonder if film schools have classes on vaudeville comedians. It had to be a tough life for all, and it would be interesting to examine them.
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now I have a question....just how open are the high upper echelons of tcm to public feedback? must one frequent a california-based film festival or book passage on a tcm pleasure cruise in order to get their ear? we're all right here on their website message boards. all they hafta do...is knock.
NipkowDisc, perhaps those behind GET TV and ME TV do read here and are trying to give those who dislike the TCM programming a choice.
As to TCM's schedule, I think it is all about the bottom line. They are spending an inordinate amount of time hawking material and cruises of late, so I guess they have decided to throw the money another way than a programming update. Apparently it is working for them, so they're not going to rock the boat.
Like the 'ignore' feature on the board, turning off TCM the channel works very nicely for me.
Sad, but true.
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I agree with you that there are is a lot of negative feedback related to TCM programming (a lot being relative since there are less than 30 or so consistent users of this forum), but to me the feedback, as it relates to what movies TCM shows, is all over the place. e.g. more of this genre, less of that one, only pre-1970 films, more post-1970 films, less foreign films, more foregin films, etc...
On the issue of repetitious content I agree that based on the feedback I see at this forum there is a consensus. But as I noted before, what to replace repetitious content with takes us back to square one.
As for the co-host; I'm not so sure there is a consensus. Maybe about Drew, but while there is some very vocal dislike for Baldwin, I'm not sure there is a consensus there. The same applies to Ben.
Also, in no way am I trying to surpress negative feedback at this forum. All I ask is that each of us just speak for ourselves instead of acting like we represent some larger group; e.g. using a phase like 'average TCM viewer'. To me this is similar to the use of a phase like 'real Americans'. It can be used to marginalize the opinions of others.
PS: Related to MOVIES, I have noticed that the station often features the same actor as TCM is featuring but in a different movie. Since they show a lot of Fox movies this is often a movie TCM doesn't show. I haven't keep track to see if this is a real pattern or not, but it does make me curious. Is MOVIES saying to use TCM viewers; hey, I know you like actor XYZ, but instead of that same old WB, MGM or RKO movies from the Turner 'vault', have you seen this Fox movie!
Also, in no way am I trying to surpress negative feedback at this forum. All I ask is that each of us just speak for ourselves instead of acting like we represent some larger group; e.g. using a phase like 'average TCM viewer'. To me this is similar to the use of a phase like 'real Americans'. It can be used to marginalize the opinions of others.
james, it is interesting to see that this is still an issue, but I am convinced it is one that won't go away on this board. Hence my use of the most, as in those who so often spout that MOST people love love love what TCM runs. Well, no they don't, but the most tries to shut down the voice of those with a differing opinion. I don't have an answer, other than to advise the use of the 'ignore' feature.
PS: Related to MOVIES, I have noticed that the station often features the same actor as TCM is featuring but in a different movie. Since they show a lot of Fox movies this is often a movie TCM doesn't show. I haven't keep track to see if this is a real pattern or not, but it does make me curious. Is MOVIES saying to use TCM viewers; hey, I know you like actor XYZ, but instead of that same old WB, MGM or RKO movies from the Turner 'vault', have you seen this Fox movie!
This is an interesting thought. I had noticed the same occurrence at various times, both on GET TV and ME TV, and would have loved to be able to watch the more obscure works of the big stars. Unfortunately, I only watch live, and can't abide the commercials. Gene Raymond and Carole Lombard, two of my favorites, were just in a little known (to me) film on GET TV that I couldn't watch.
As to the solution - I don't think TCM will be revamping their format anytime soon, and I don't think there will be the classic TCM channel I wistfully seek, so...................well, I have no idea.
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Kind of like someone not calling someone "foolish"?
Amen, MovieMadness. The only cure, however, is the 'ignore' feature, it's a wondrous thing.
The attitude of the mosts here is never, ever, ever going to change. Trust me.
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Here's a link to Charles Laughton's appearance doing the Gettysburg Address on the Abbott and Costello Show. It's pretty apparent that he's having a good time, and seemed to have a nice rapport with the comics, particularly Lou:
VERY cute, thank you. Boy, those lights must have been hot.
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Jenkins was a child actor of the 40s. He is the really out there kid in Tender Grapes, he was with Liz in National Velvet and a few other 40s films. So you might have seen Jenkins but just didn't notice him (but frankly that is hard to do because the kid is a royal pain!).
james, I just googled Jackie 'Butch' Jenkins, and luckily for me, I've never ever seen the kid.
He was in Bud Abbott and Lou Costello In Hollywood, but that's a new name to me too. I have not seen this movie, it would be nice if TCM ran it.
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I still can't get back into watching them, but the STORYof the Three Stooges is fascinating. I but can't help but wonder...
If not for television AND the "Baby Boomers", would the Three Stooges have had ANY sustained popularity?
Sepiatone
Sepiatone, were it not for television and the Baby Boomers who were planted in front of these newfangled contraptions - help Winky Dink but don't draw on your television screen, but some did - and grew up on Warner Brothers cartoons and the movies of L&H, the Stooges, A&C, the Marx Bros., et cetera, all of us would be the poorer for it, or we would be taking selfies and praising anime.
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Well, there are several that are really good films: BUCK PRIVATES, HOLD THAT GHOST, RIDE 'EM COWBOY, PARDON MY SARONG, LITTLE GIANT (despite the general apathy among critics, I think this is a very fine character comedy), THE TIME OF THEIR LIVES, BUCK PRIVATES COME HOME, WISTFUL WIDOW OF WAGON GAP, MEET FRANKENSTEIN. Most of their Lubin and Barton-directed films are first-rate. The Lamont-directed films are definitely 2nd tier, though INVISIBLE MAN, KEYSTONE KOPS and MUMMY have elements that make them recommendable.
If you want to see Bud and Lou at their very best, watch the FIRST SEASON of their filmed tv show. They captured nearly every great burlesque routine on film and Lou was in exceptional form during these shows. The second season was a bust. Their Colgate Comedy Hour appearances are great because you get to enjoy Lou working off a live audience and their is considerable energy shared across the footlights.
Spot on, Ray. I learned everything I needed to know about vaudeville and still know it from the first season of A&C - he's a pump, pump him. Listen to the radio version of Who's On First and your eyes will pop. I think it was the radio version - at any rate, Lou says the 'F' word, and like the wonderful short shown recently where the stars utter expletives, Breakdowns of 1936, it is refreshing.
One of their worst movies - The 30 Foot Bride Of Candy Rock, with a near death Lou and no Bud and the plastic hand of Dorothy Provine. Awful. The movie with Charles Laughton was also bad.
I watched all their movies, over and over, and early on, enjoyed them all. Having gotten old and somewhat (yeah, only somewhat) jaded, I no longer enjoy all the movies I did then.
Cool theater you got there, Ray. I used to work with a business man who owned property in the area, and he spoke fondly of the local bar.
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Funny, but your avatar makes the message being conveyed in this post work to perfection. It is like Mr. Belvedere is speaking right to me!
Don't know him. I know Bobs Watson and can't stand his untalented face (poor Lionel), but I have never seen Jenkins. Sounds like I didn't miss anything.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, a hush fell over the topic, and it was good.
Thus spake Zarathustra and she said: the ignore button is wonderful.
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I gotta admit I be none too happy with that line-up except the last one. seeing a Lugosi-hypnotized Costello scare the monster (Glenn Strange) is hilarious.
proof colorizing works.
Nipkow, you didn't love the fact that the Shrinking Man was going to go 'poof' and disappear from the face of the earth?
How about Maria Ouspenskaya in The Wolfman?
Too many commercials for me to watch, but Svengoolie has grown on me. I almost bought a rubber chicken.
The Van Bueren Cartoons...What happened?
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A portend of things to come? A&E - deleted their message board. PBS - deleted their message board.
Watch the news and entertainment shows lately? They say: watch us, share us, tweet us - they don't say go to our site and talk on our message board and send us an email.