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I think Prince Saliano made my point simply and more directly then I could. I am not bashing movies from the 1970's. Growing up I watched Anne of Green Gables and Anne of Avonlee as if my life depended on it and I was raised by a mother who went to see Star Wars 17 times in the movie theater alone and then got us addicted to it. I love all aspects of movies! I go to the midnight showing the night before it opens to wait in long lines for all of the Harry Potter Movies and all of the Star Wars prequels. When they play the more modern movies (that is ones more recently released) its usually in primetime and the earlier ones are in the early hours when I am asleep. I like what Saliano said and that was the main point I was trying to get at. One question though I remeber AMC as being without commercials and playing only older movies. Am I wrong or do they once being a great channel digress to their current state of boadcasting the NEW AMERICAN MOVIE CLASSICS!! (Movies that I don't remember doing well at the box office even!!!)

Please tell me who is this younger generation. Because at 26 I feel like 20 to 23 year olds have not clue about anything beyond the 80's. They don't know who were the leaders of the Big Four or even what that term refers to. And if you ask them to name a bad beyond their favorite genera or New Kids on the Block. History is not taught any more and we are raising generations of Intellectually Void masses. I even have friends my age calling me about events, facts, movies, stories, that are only a 20 years ago. So this idea of movies being dated at 70 is really not a valid argument unless you are talking to people that have a wide range of movies from all periods. LAST: IT WAS NOT MY POINT THAT THE 70's WERE DATED BUT THAT IS WHEN THEY WHERE PUT ON VHS AND ARE VERY ACCSESSABLE!!!! Not to mention AMC loves playing that movie. Is this younger generation aware of at least the many forms of War Movies? To be considered aware of anything outside of modern media. I am 26 and am already gripping about the younger geration.

Oh my goodness Bill Clinton is brilliant? Maybe a great shyster but not Brilliant. Also true about the personal lives of Hollywood as some were racist, rapist, pornographers, and so on. But I think that child molestation needs to be where the line is drawn to what is acceptable to support. If its between consenting adults I am not to judge but when its children that need protection there needs to be ABSOLUTE LINE. Also if your so moral about the corporate giant Wal-Mart and their crooked deals with their employees who are adults and can stand up for them selves then you should reconsider about HELPLESS CHILDREN!!!! Woody Allen has not talent and has not played a diffrent character then himself since the spoof Casino Royal with David Niven! Allen is not an actor and is not gifted I never enjoyed his work after I realized that he has never been able to act after I saw him in three other movies and gave up on him long ago. Being 26 I was not aware til about 2 years ago about his molestation of Soon-Yi and can not believe of the support he still recieves. When an Adult holds a position of authority and one of defender such as FATHER there is no excuse to sleep with a child. The only reason he's not in jail is Farrow never knew SuYi's real age because she was found abandoned. Allen knew this and took advantage and we only have Soon-Yi's word ( a word of a needy child that was desperate for attention of any kind-something like Stokholm Syndrom if you will) when their sexual relationship started. It could have been years earlier as Farrow and Allen were in a relationship for 12 YEARS!! Meaning Soon-Yi was any where 6 to 10 years old. That is definitly a child!!!!! But obviouly you are not to concerned with children just workers. How moral of you. Please take my humbelest apology for not understanding what a true sympathetic soul you are.

Another member RadioJoe haspointed out to me the ambiguity of the word Classic and I agree with him that Vintage is a better word. But I never stated that 50 years should be the cut off. I did state that it made more sense to have these movies pass the test of time but my cut off was the the 1974 and the creation of VHS when movies for the first time became available for wider mass distribution and thus easily attainable. Again read what I wrote; I said I liked the test of time but not practicle and rather for TCM I prefered the cut off date of movies that are still harder to get and impossible outside of TCM to be seen on television. This being that VHS were used to release the new movies at the beginning not starting at the creation of film and working its way backward. The distributers were afraid of not haveing the ready market for movies that many might not remember while the new ones were fresh on people's minds. Not that I blame them but think of all the lost movies of today that would have been saved if they had started at the beginning of movies? P.S. Many of the elite in Hollywood such as Directors, Producers, Hurst, and film stars had private screenings of their movies. Does anyone know about their estates being searched for some of these lost films?

What I would like to know is why Ron Howard did not wait for the taped to be released til he tried to do a fresh spin on Nixon since its clearr by the previews that Howard did not read G. Gordan Liddy's book about the whole affair and he was one of the men who broke into Watergate. The real thing Nixon is guilty of is trying to cover it up once he found out about the affair after the fact that the crime was commited. Still I will go see the movie to see another example of "Hollywood Historical" dramas that have nothing to do with history.

Thanks this is a great link. I like the two differing definitions. But as a Historian I think to really be bonnified there is the need for the test of time as what should be in a definition and as those movies from the Hollywood system have withstood that test for one reason or another (such as worst film made, worst special effects, no real grounds in reality, B Movies, and so on...) Another point is that AMC has the second definition covered so lets try and keep TCM to cover the fist definition!

Thanks you for the links you are one of the few that actually has responded what was said and seem to have read the post. I will look at the links more thoroughly later. But as for falling on def ears I at least have to try. One viewers opinion is worth 10,000 of rating views opinions and every little bit helps. Thanks HamRadio

WOW, were you on the debate team because you gave no evidence to support your opinion. All the other movies channels show the type of movies of 1993. Look what showing modern movies has done to AMC! GO BACK READ MY POST AND SEE WHERE ALL THE OTHER VENUES ARE SHOWING THOSE MOVIES YOU WANT TO SEE! TCM is the only channel that stands apart and I personally do not want to see that lost!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for understanding where I come from but I still disagree with you about allowing late 1970's onwards as they of 1974 they are only 34 years old. I think movies need to be at least 50 years old to be considered a classics. So in my opinion I am being generous in allowing the 1960s into this definition of classic. Because you hear too many people especially actors describing movies from their childhood and their favorite actors as the stars from this period such as Jack Nicholson, Robert DiNerro, and Al Paccino, and so on. I think we need not to be in such a rush to lable these movies as classics and your right about TCM showing th B movies and the shorts and the not so great movies. I love them all because they are something I could not experience or be a part of. I although not born in the 70s and not even really concious of the 1980s had to expreience a world that was and one that only speak of those times because those in authority as teachers, bosses, parents, and so on did experience those times. I am tired of it I am sick of discussing it I want to explore the other eras. Like Sidney Poitier said in Guess Who's Comming to Dinner in 1967 about 41 years old "You and your whole lousy generation believes the way it was for you is the way it's got to be. And not until your whole generation has lain down and died will the dead weight of you be off our backs!" So why don't we try and see the influences of generations a little older then 30 years because they don't have the voices they use to and are now a little harder to hear.

Ok who is this provider that allows you Femme Fatal and Kyle of Hollywood to have TCM without these other commercial free movie channels. Maybe I am on the wrong side of the country because I have to have those movie channels that play modern uncut and commericial free movies to get TCM that plays the classics. (Emphasis on CLASSICS). Please I am dying to know since there is such a demand to see on television modern uncut movies on TCM when all of the other movie channels play them. Also please explain to me with this love of modern cinema why its so impossible for Hollywood today to make movies for the audience rather then for their own intrinsic artistic value. Hollywood use to use phrases like the dream factory and gave audiences a distraction from the mudane. Today Hollywood glorifies the mundane, horrific, and sad. I don't mind a couple of movies like this but not the majority. Added on to all of this is that all of the movies that are after the code in the 1960s and shifted to the ratings form are just reaction to what was not allowed to be shown during the code and the of those movies made to emphasis fantasy and whimsical sappy romances. Hollywood although never a saint at least awknowledged the audience and what they wanted to see. Today they do not even try.

Actually my regular cable did not include TCM and if yours does please let me know KYLE IN HOLLYWOOD which provider you use because I had to get movie channels that do show uncut movies like Showtime and Encore to name a few so I could get my beloved TCM. I also want to know where this mission statement is because I want to start a petition to change it!!!! Because no where else is there a place to play old movies and in case you did not understand my above posting I and you can go many places to see the "reknowed" John Hughs collection. But if you don't have the money to go to Wal-Mart, Ebay or Amazone to get your self a cheap copy send me your address I'll send it media mail. And I never called TCM the "old" movie channel its title is Turner Classics and I take that to mean movies that 50 to 100 years later we still want to watch!!! The movies from the 70's til present are as of now not able to make that claim. You an againer sir. Meaning that you make up an opposition just for the fun of it without paying any attention to the point of the argument. Read next time instead of skimming!!!! And I want to know where that mission statement is!!!

I am a historian and an avid movie fan or fanatic which ever you prefer. I am 26 years old and grew up with the 1980's Brat Pack and the teenage discovery movies of Breakfast Club and Pretty in Pink. I loves these movies I grew up with them. BUT I DO NOT WANT THEM PLAYED ON TCM!!! The reason being that they are played on other networks and are easy to rent at all Blockbusters and other such places. Also movies from the mid to late 1970s to present can be purchased at a truck stop, Wal-Mart, Sam's Club, yard sales, Target, Boarders, and even the local Piggly Wiggly. TCM needs to keep to those movies that are from the beginning of the creation of movies (Silent Films showed at a decent hour then the early hours of morning would be nice) to about the 1960s and maybe the 1970s. With the creation of the VHS in 1974 movies made after this date were thus transfered to this new media. It has taken longer to get movies made before this date for home viewing. As a young person I was raised on John Wayne and every classic War movie in existence thanks to my Marine father. Thanks to this introduction I fell in love with the Golden Age of Hollywood and have done my own research to know what those films are. I also have aquired a large collection of movies especially those movies of the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s Its hard to know what to look for and to spend money on these era of movies when you can't fing a venu that plays them. TCM is one of the last who still does. Do not turn into AMC and play movies even though great are as shown above easy to find. A HUGE FAN OF THE OLD

He's a sick twisted moron that married basically his own adopted daughter not to mention the weird relationship he has with his own biological son with Mia Farrow and other adopted children. The man can not act and only does himself. He is not a man to praise and I don't even want to see his films on TCM again!!!!!! First because there from him! Second because all of his movies are too modern, since one can rent them very easily or buy them at the local Wal-Mart. STOP STOP TCM playing movies from the late 1970s onwards they are not hard to come by and everybody else plays them. Play the silent filmd, the classics, the fifties sex romps, anything but modern cinema!!!!!! Which is 1970s to the present! I don't have anything aginst these films but they are so much more easily attainable.