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> {quote:title=RayFaiola wrote:}{quote}
> When I was preserving Max Steiner's score to SERGEANT YORK, I discovered that the flip side of one of the acetates was a scoring session from MEET JOHN DOE. It was the complete original final cue that, in the released film, is only dialed up near the very end. It was a long and fairly complex composition.
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This may raise more questions than it answers, but since I have the info, I figure why not post it.
I thought I'd check the original Warner Bros. Music Cue Sheet for MEET JOHN DOE (dated March 12, 1941) to see what it lists for the music in the last reel.
Let's actually go back to the next-to-last reel, #13. This is what's heard in the music score:
Requiem (Dimitri Tiomkin) - Background instrumental. 36 seconds.
Turbulence (Dimitri Tiomkin) - Background instrumental. 50 seconds.
Silent Night (Franz Gruber, Joseph Mohr) - Visual vocal. 45 seconds.
Good King Wenceslaus (unknown) - Visual vocal. 30 seconds.
Reel 14 (final reel of picture):
Ad Libbing - .02 seconds.
Requiem (Dimitri Tiomkin) - Background vocal. 16 seconds.
Ninth Symphony (Beethoven) - Background vocal. 30 seconds.
America (unknown) - Background vocal. .05 seconds.
All four cues in reel 14 are crossed out and this notation is handwritten in the margin: "See attached correction sheet for changes". But guess what -- there is no correction sheet attached. Just a cue sheet for the trailer.
So that's all there is...
By the way, the score to the trailer consists almost entirely of a Tiomkin composition entitled "John Doe" that does not appear anywhere in the feature.
Here's the trailer:
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> {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=musicalnovelty wrote:}{quote}
> > But what a lot of typin'!
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> Shouldn't this thread be called Stars of the Months?
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Yes I suppose so...but that would be a couple more letters to type!
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> {quote:title=mongo wrote:}{quote}
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> Norma Shearer is up to some monkey business
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That shot of Norma Shearer is from her 1926 MGM Picture THE DEVIL'S CIRCUS (in case anyone might have been wondering...)
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> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote}
> *"Maybe the only "Along Came Jones " that he is familiar with, like yours truly, is the Coasters' song."* - finance
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> Is that different from the Ray Stevens version? (Only one I know.)
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The Ray Stevens 1969 version is a remake of The Coasters' 1959 orignal.
And neither one of them had anything to do with the 1945 movie.
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Those musical notes are similar but not identical.
By the way, according to the Revue / Shamley Productions Music Cue Sheets for the "Alfred Hitchcock Presents" series the title of the notes used in the Hitchcock TV show is "Tymp-Beat-Music-Cue" composed by Melvyn Lenard.
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> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}
> Musicalnovelty,
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>Thank you for taking the time to go back to the "Now Playing" Guides and bringing us up to date.
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It was a fun trip back to TCM's early days!
But what a lot of typin'!
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List posted by lzcutter:
Stars of the Month:
STAR OF THE MONTH:
May 1994: Greta Garbo
June 1994: Glenn Ford
July 1994: Greer Garson
Aug.1994: Edward G. Robinson
Sept.1994: Barbara Stanwyck
Oct.1994: Angela Lansbury
Nov.1994 John Garfield
Dec.1994:
Jan.1995: Esther Williams
Feb.1995: Ronald Reagan
Mar.1995:
Apr.1995: Doris Day
May 1995: Myrna Loy
June 1995: Errol Flynn
July 1995: G. Kelly (Gene or Grace?)
Aug.1995: Paul Muni
Sept.1995: Jane Powell
Oct.1995: Clark Gable
Nov.1995: Barrymores
Dec.1995: Bing Crosby
Jan.1996: Deborah Kerr
Feb.1996: Robert Young
Mar.1996
April 1996: Irene Dunne
May 1996: James Stewart
June 1996: Rosalind Russell
July 1996: Fred Astaire
Aug.1996: Ann Sheridan
Sept.1996: Van Johnson
Oct.1996: Kathryn Grayson
Nov.1996: Robert Mitchum
Dec.1996: Gary Cooper
Jan.97: Jean Arthur
Feb.97: Eleanor Parker
Mar.97: 31 Days of Oscar
Apr.97: Ava Gardner
May 97: George Brent
June 97: June Allyson
July 97: John and Walter Huston (also Director of the Month)
Aug.97: Cary Grant
Sept.97: Ida Lupino
Oct.97: Walter Pidgeon
Nov.97: Katharine Hepburn
Dec.97: Best of ?97
Jan.1998: Lana Turner
Feb.1998: Charlton Heston
Mar.1998:31 Days of Oscar
April 1998: Red Skelton
May 1998: Olivia de Havilland
June 1998: James Cagney
July 1998: Lucille Ball
August 1998: Joan Crawford
Sept.1998: John Wayne
Oct.1998: Cyd Charisse
Nov.1998: Claude Rains
Dec.1998: Best of ?98
Jan.1999: Elizabeth Taylor
Feb.1999: William Powell
March 1999: 31 Days of Oscar
April 1999: Dennis Morgan
May 1999: Bette Davis
June 1999: Mickey Rooney
July1999: Natalie Wood
August 1999: Peter Sellers
Sept.1999: Norma Shearer
Oct. 1999: Gregory Peck
Nov. 1999: Ginger Rogers
Dec. 1999: Burt Lancaster
Jan. 2000: Debbie Reynolds
Feb. 2000: Robert Ryan
March 2000: 31 Days of Oscars
April 2000: Spencer Tracy
May 2000: Alexis Smith
June 2000:Wallace Beery
July 2000: Judy Garland
August 2000: film debuts
Sept 2000: Jane Wyman
October 2000: Dick Powell
Nov 2000: Frank Sinatra
Dec. 2000: Lauren Bacall
Jan. 2001: Elvis Presley
Feb.2001: Jean Hagen
March 2001: 31 Days of Oscar
Apr.2001: Knighted Actors
May 2001: Jean Harlow
June 2001: W.C. Fields
July 2001: Ann Sothern
Aug.2001: James Garner
Sept. 2001: Robert Taylor
Oct. 2001: Lana Turner
Nov.2001: Glenn Ford
Dec.2001: The Marx Brothers
Jan. 2002: Marlene Dietrich
Feb. 2002: Kirk Douglas
March 2002: 31 Days of Oscar
April 2002: Barbara Stanwyck
May 2002: Edward G. Robinson
June 2002: Greta Garbo
July 2002: Sidney Poitier
Aug. 2002: Joan Crawford
Sept. 2002: Van Heflin
Oct. 2002: Final films
Nov. 2002: Shelly Winters
Dec. 2002: Montgomery Clift
Jan. 2003: Doris Day
Feb. 2003: John Garfield
Mar. 2003: 31 Days of Oscar
Apr. 2003: Harold Lloyd
May 2003: Olivia de Havilland
June 2003: TV Actors in Films
July 2003: Lee Marvin
Aug. 2003: 1st Summer Under the Stars (see below)
Sept. 2003: James Mason
Oct. 2003: Boris Karloff
Nov. 2003: Shirley MacLaine
Dec. 2003: David Niven
Jan. 2004: Katherine Hepburn
Feb.2004: 31 Days of Oscar
Mar.2004: Charles Chaplin
Apr. 2004: Judy Garland
May 2004: Greer Garson
June 2004: Cary Grant
July 2004: Stars That Died Before Their Time
Aug.2004: 2nd Summer Under the Stars (see below)
Sept.2004: Myrna Loy
Oct. 2004: Peter Lorre
Nov.2004: Clark Gable
Dec. 2004: James Stewart
Jan.2005: Canadian Actors
Feb. 2005: 31 Days of Oscar
Mar. 2005: Claudette Colbert
Apr. 2005: Errol Flynn
May 2005: Orson Welles
June 2005: Ingrid Bergman
July 2005: Audrey Hepburn
Aug. 2005: 3rd Summer Under the Stars (see below)
Sept.2005: Greta Garbo
Oct.2005: Robert Mitchum
Nov.2005: Joan Fontaine
Dec. 2005: Bing Crosby
Jan. 2006: Robert Montgomery
Feb.2006: 31 Days of Oscar
Mar.2006: Nelson Eddy & Jeanette MacDonald
Apr.2006: Deborah Kerr
May 2006: Bette Davis
June 2006: Anthony Quinn
July 2006: Elizabeth Taylor
Aug.2006: 4th Summer Under the Stars (see below)
Sept.2006: William Holden
Oct.2006: Child Stars
Nov.2006: Lucille Ball
Dec. 2006: Gary Cooper
Jan.2007: Jean Arthur
Feb.2007: 31 Days of Oscar
Mar.2007: Gene Kelly
Apr.2007: Rita Hayworth
May 2007: John Wayne and Katherine Hepburn
June 2007: Ida Lupino
July 2007: Randolph Scott
Aug.2007: 5th Summer Under the Stars (see below)
Sept.2007: A Star is Born (starmaking/breakthrough performances)
Oct.2007: Henry Fonda
Nov.2007: Guest Programmer Month
Dec.2007: Irene Dunne
Jan.2008: James Cagney
Feb.2008: 31 Days of Oscar
Mar.2008: Acting Dynasties
Apr.2008: Hedy Lamarr
May 2008: Frank Sinatra
June 2008: Sophia Loren
July 2008: Rosalind Russell
Aug.2008: 6th annual Summer Under the Stars (see below)
Sept.2008: Kay Francis
Oct.2008: Carole Lombard
Nov.2008: Charles Laughton
Dec. 2008: Joseph Cotton
Jan. 2009: Jack Lemmon
Feb. 2009: 31 Days of Oscar
Mar. 2009: Ronald Reagan
April 2009: Funny Ladies and 15th Anniversary
May 2009: Sean Connery
June 2009: Great Directors
July 2009: Stewart Granger
August 2009: Summer Under the Stars
Sept. 2009: Claude Rains
Oct. 2009: Leslie Caron
Nov. 2009: Grace Kelly
Dec. 2009: Humphrey Bogart
Jan. 2010: ?The Method?
Feb. 2010: 31 Days of Oscar
March 2010: Ginger Rogers
April 2010: Robert Taylor
May 2010: Donna Reed
June 2010: Natalie Wood
July 2010: Gregory Peck
August 2010: SUTS
Sept. 2010: Vivien Leigh
Oct. 2010: Fredric March
Nov. 2010: Ava Gardner
Dec. 2010: Mickey Rooney
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I got tired of seeing the gaps in this Star of the Month listing, so I went and dug out my old TCM schedules so I could fill in the missing names. But -- it looks like some corrections are needed too! Some of these are incorrect.
First, to fill in the gaps:
December 1994: No star. It says "Best of '94" - "A special tribute to some of the legendary stars who have been featured on TCM in 1994." Including 7 movies starring Barbara Stanwyck, 10 movies starring Greta Garbo, 17 movies starring Edward G. Robinson, and 14 movies starring Bette Davis." (Yes, Bette Davis was Star in July 1994 along with Greer Garson. Bette even got the cover picture. Billed as "Bette Davis: The Early Years" she had 20 films shown to Garson's only 19.)
March 1995: "TCM Salutes the Oscars". No one star of the Month. Norma Shearer gets the cover shot, holding her statuette.
July 1995: Gene Kelly, not Grace Kelly. Gene's on the cover in a serious dramatic pose. 28 of his movies were shown.
March 1996: "TCM Presents 31 Days of Oscar". No one star. Grace Kelly is on the cover holding her Oscar.
So, that fills in the gaps.
Note: They did not use the term "Star of the Month" until January 1997 with the first issue of the "Now Playing" magazine. From April 1994 through November 1996 the tribute to the star of the month was called "Star Tribute".
Corrections:
As noted, both Bette Davis and Greer Garson were Stars of the Month in July 1994. And Bette could perhaps be considered first, as she had more films shown, and she got the cover shot.
December 1995: Bing Crosby was NOT the Star that month. In fact only ONE Bing movie was shown during the entire month: HIGH SOCIETY on Dec. 12 and that was part of a five-movie birthday salute to Frank Sinatra. THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT 1 & 2 were also shown that month, but of course Bing is not the star of those and we can definitely see that he was not getting the "Star Tribute" that month. Dec. 1995 was another "no star" - It was "The Best of TCM 1995".
December 1996: Once again somebody goofed in reporting the Star. Gary Cooper was NOT it. Only two Cooper films were run that month: THE FOUNTAINHEAD on the 19th and MEET JOHN DOE on the 21st and again on the 24th. Surely not enough for anyone to regard him as The Star that month! Instead they again presented "The Best of TCM's 1996 Programming" as stated on the cover below a nice handsome shot of Robert Osborne (in fact the very same shot as on the cover of the Dec. 1995 guide).
January 1997: First issue of "Now Playing" as we still know it, and first use of the term "Star of the Month". Again, the listing of Jean Arthur as Star of the Month is totally crazy! Not one Jean Arthur film was shown that month! How did these incorrect names get listed? Humphrey Bogart was the first "Star of the Month" and they presented his movies in a unique way: as a week-long marathon! From Monday morning, Jan. 6 through Sunday night, Jan. 12 it was ALL Bogie! A total of 52 movies were shown, with some repeats during the week.
Also, in addition to the "Star Tributes" and "Star of the Month" salutes, TCM paid similar tribute to a Director each month, in the series "Director Salute".
Here are the "Directors Salutes" each month:
May 1994: George Cukor.
June 1994: Mervyn Leroy.
July 1994: Frank Capra - 11 films.
August 1994: Edward Dmytryk - 12 films.
September 1994: Busby Berkeley - 43 films.
October 1994: Lloyd Bacon - 55 films.
November 1994: Clarence Brown - 36 films.
December 1994: "Best of '94" - Cukor - 5 films, Leroy - 10 films, Capra - 9 films, Dmytryk - 7 films, Berkeley - 7 films.
January 1995: Victor Sherman - 16 films.
February 1995: Frank Borzage - 19 films.
March 1995: Oscar month.
April 1995: Michael Curtiz - 40 films.
May 1995: Curtis Bernhardt - 15 films.
June 1995: George Sidney - 17 films.
July 1995: William Dieterle - 27 films.
August 1995: W.S. Van Dyke - 40 films.
September 1995: "Kings of the B's" - Edward Cahn, Phil Karlson, William Beaudine, etc.
October 1995: William Wellman - 24 films.
November 1995: John Ford - 12 films.
December 1995: no director salute. "The Best of TCM 1995".
January 1996: "The Continental Touch" - Fritz Lang, Billy Wilder, Ernst Lubitsch, Jean Negulesco.
February 1996: John Sturges - 19 films.
March 1996: Oscar month.
April 1996: Stanley Donen - "more than ten" films, it says.
May 1996: Robert Wise - 20 films.
June 1996: Archie Mayo - 22 films.
July 1996: Sam Wood - 22 films.
August 1996: King Vidor - 14 films.
September 1996: Richard Thorpe - 52 films.
October 1996: Raoul Walsh - 27 films.
November 1996: Stars as Directors: Lionel Barrymore, Ray Milland, Woody Allen, Ida Lupino, Peter Fonda, Orson Welles, Charles Laughton, Marlon Brando, Jerry Lewis, etc.
December 1996: "Best of TCM 1996".
January 1997: S. Sylvan Simon - "more than 19 films". it says.
That's it so far...
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> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}
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> Sorry I didn't make myself clearer.
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That's okay...you were clear.
I guess I just couldn't resist a chance to put in another plug for how great the movie is!
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> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}
> > This montage, to me, is the best valentine to film and those of us who love it. Ever.
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Yes, it's a nice montage by itself.
But it is SO MUCH more meaningful and emotional in the context of the entire movie...I mean after one has seen all that came before it.
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> {quote:title=TikiSoo wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=musicalnovelty wrote:}{quote}
> > It's incredible to me to hear people rave about the commercials shown during events like the Super Bowl.
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> Yeah, but the other side of the coin: Some friends who worked at a special effects studio demonstrated for me an adorable Pekin duck puppet they built for an Afflack commercial to air during the Super Bowl. I very much regret I never saw it in action.
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> Many people who create commercials are very proud (& rightly so) of their artistry.
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Oh yes I agree there must be exceptions, like if someone you know worked on one.
I hope you get to see it some time.
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> {quote:title=C.Bogle wrote:}{quote}
>AMC ....I don't mind some commercials if it's the only way to see the movie
>this year. Gives you time to get some more eggnog from the fridge.
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Yes, but the frequency and length of their commercial breaks gives you enough time to clean out your entire fridge and everything else in the kitchen!
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> {quote:title=TikiSoo wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=infinite1 wrote:}{quote}
> > But, I have to say that as a child of the late 50s and 60s, I actually enjoyed some of the early commercials.
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> Well I loathe commercials and refuse to watch them. When over someone else's house, I ask them to "mute please". I can't stand the *sound* of the commercials, it reminds me of snake oil salesmen yelling! My friends and relatives often talk about "clever" or "funny" commercials and are always surprised I have zero familiarity with them. I simply do not watch commercials, period.
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Soo,
That sounds so exactly like me!
I too hate, resent, resist, refuse & reject commercials! Especially when they come across with lines like "all America is waiting for..." NO! Not me! Most commercials I have to endure just succeed in building a resentment to whatever they're trying to sell! Commercials are intrusive unwanted interruptions!
It's incredible to me to hear people rave about the commercials shown during events like the Super Bowl. These people are seemingly actually watching the commercials willingly!
I am proud to claim ignorance when people talk about some great new commercial they've seen.
Of course, vintage commercials (like pre-1970's) are nostalgic and fun. But I probably wouldn't have thought so at the time.
Some of this attitude may have been picked up from my father, who used to turn the sound down during commercials on TV when my siblings and I were kids.
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> {quote:title=The_Destroyer wrote:}{quote}
> I'd like to see a new version where they change Dicken's story and Scrooge is reunited with his lost love. What's her name?
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Just going by memory of the Mister Magoo version, not looking anything up, was it "Belle"?
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> {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote}
> Hmmm... I thought they would have to identify them. Well, it's been a few years since I saw it. Yes, it is a great film, and Tracey, you should watch the whole thing!
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A lot of the clips were probably from public domain films, so maybe they weren't required to identify them. And the clips were so short in that montage that they'd probably have been able to use them through "fair use" or whatever it is.
But in addition to all the brief clips seen in that final montage, remember there were longer movie scenes used throughout the whole movie as it told its story in the many scenes in the movie theater. None of those clips were identified, either. There were some shots of Charlie Chaplin, and I recall at least one clip from "Stagecoach" (maybe from a trailer for it) but most of the other clips were from foreign films.
But you know what: "Cinema Paradiso" is so good, so absorbing that I actually never thought to wonder about the film clips used. And I'm someone who usually does notice and think about such things in movies.
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> {quote:title=ValentineXavier wrote:}{quote}
> It's not on the wikipedia, or the IMDb. The films are probably listed in the end credits, if you have the DVD.
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No, I have seen both versions of the movie many times and I do not believe the clips are identified at the end.
I have actually never seen any source where they're identified.
Tracey65:
Watch the entire movie when you can. It really is excellent and I recommend it highly.
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> {quote:title=hlywdkjk wrote:}{quote}
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> Nicely done with the "headless" group. When the subject was broached, my challenge instincts kicked in immediately. But I only got as far as *Salome*, a "guillotine" movie of some sort and then got stuck on Thelma Ritter declining to see what was in the hat box in *Rear Window* but couldn't go any further.
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> Kyle In Hollywood
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Other "missing head" movies include "The Man Who Reclaimed His Head" (1934 - Universal) and its 1945 remake, "Strange Confession" (also Universal). This one was even reissued under the title "The Missing Head".
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> {quote:title=JonasEB wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=musicalnovelty wrote:}{quote}
> > > {quote:title=JonasEB wrote:}{quote}
> > > Not to mention the way he treated his older brother Francis. Then you have his relationship to Maureen O'Hara...
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> > What was it? You say that as if we're supposed to know...
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> Ford was in love with Maureen O'Hara, an unrequited love. It got to the point that Ford was sending her bizarre love letters and it had quite an effect on their professional relationship; Ford's manipulative behavior led to increasingly passive-aggressive communication between the two on set.
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> They remained friends over the years but it's an ugly story nonetheless.
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> At least that's how O'Hara tells it (from her memoirs, sourced in Tag Gallagher's book on Ford.)
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Thank you for the response.
I appreciate the info. I wasn't aware of most of that.
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Does anyone else remember the 1986 NBC TV-movie CHRISTMAS SNOW starring Katherine Helmond, Sid Caesar and Melissa Joan Hart?
That's one that should be shown more often.
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Does anyone else remember the 1986 NBC TV-movie CHRISTMAS SNOW starring Katherine Helmond, Sid Caesar and Melissa Joan Hart?
That's one that should be shown more often.
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> {quote:title=clore wrote:}{quote}
> >>RayFaiola said...
>What you see today is the complete film. And it never had a Warner Bros. shield at the beginning.
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>clore wrote...
> Well, tonight's screening of the film has one. I've never noticed it on previous airings of the film on TCM. Going back to my first viewing of the film in 1971 on WOR-TV, I doubt that they even aired the opening credits.
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Ray is correct.
MEET JOHN DOE never had the opening WB shield. I even have the original 1941 Warner Bros. music cue sheet for the movie and it confirms that the score does not and never did include the Max Steiner composition "Signature" that traditionally accompanied the shield logo.
Yes, the print shown on TCM on The Essentials on Saturday night, Dec. 18 did open with the WB shield logo, but I hope nobody was fooled. The shield logo footage was obviously and unnaturally spliced onto the print from some other movie. Anyone who recorded it, take another look (and listen) to the opening and notice how clumsily and abruptly the music jumps from the logo to the titles of the movie.
Sure, it looks nice to have a 1941-era WB Shield logo attached to this movie, but that's all it is - attached to a print that never had it originally.
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It just occurred to me the reason we're seeing so many Mickey Rooney films in December. His real last name is Yule!
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> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}
> MusicalNovelty,
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> Sorry for that. I didn't see your response before I replied to Wouldbestar.
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> Thank you for letting us know.
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Hey, that's okay!
By the way, I checked the version shown on the link to the TCM Media Room and it's still the old version.
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> {quote:title=lzcutter wrote:}{quote}
> *Isnt there enough space to squeeze in these folks and Blake Edwards who produced so many great films?*
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> Wouldbe,
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> *TCM Remembers* has been running since last weekend and Edwards death was only announced two days ago.
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> Give them a day or two and they will likely add Edwards to the tribute.
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You must have overlooked my post just below yours. I just said that I saw it again (after "In the Good Old Summertime") and Blake Edwards has now been added. He's been inserted between the three "Airplane" stars and Zelda Rubinstein.
There Goes My Heart
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> {quote:title=CineMaven wrote:}{quote}
> Musical Novelty...Just an FYI for you:
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> "Our next Vitaphone shorts restoration program at Film Forum is tentatively set for May 7th, 2011. We will present 12 more recent restoration. unseen in 80+ years. Our program will be paired with the Alice White feature SHOWGIRL IN HOLLYWOOD (1930), a perfect match!
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> The program of shorts will likely include:
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> #1019-20 JOE FRISCO "The Song Plugger"
> # 2235 GLADYS BROCKWELL "Hollywood Bound"
> #2586 VAL AND ERNIE STANTON "Cut Yourself a Piece of Cake"
> #2689 EDDIE WHITE "I Thank You"
> #2691 JACK WALDRON "A Little Breath of Broadway"
> #2699 FLORENCE BRADY "A Cycle of Songs"
> #2741 MARLOWE AND JORDAN "Songs and Impressions"
> #2900 THE RANGERS "After the Round-Up"
> #3900 "SHE WHO GETS SLAPPED" with Tom Dugan
> #824 DOOLEY AND SALES "Dooley's the Name"
> #2759 VAL HARRIS and ANN HOWE "The Wild Westerner"
> #2940 BORN AND LAWRENCE "Pigskin Trouble"
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> Take care...happy holidays!
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> CineMaven.
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Thanks for the tip!
I've seen only one of those shorts before (the Tom Dugan one) and of course, the feature.
I plan to be there!